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    In ODIs, I'd say a prime AB was better, and Ponting/Tendulkar were better than both of the former.

    The key here is the quality of pitches and bowlers those guys played against. Tendulkar played against peak Waqar, Wasim, Saqlain, Mushy, Murali, McGrath, Warne and co and performed against most of them. Ponting played against, admittedly, the tail end of the likes of the two Ws but had to contend with the likes of Pollock, Steyn, Murali, Flintoff and so on and again, across formats, performed against most of them.

    Both these guys in the era of one new ball (for the most part), better, more sporting wickets rather than the flat tracks we see the world over (although things are improving).

    None of this is a black mark on Kohli. He is an exceptional batsman but not quite the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    There have been plenty of better batsmen in test cricket during this decade and I've seen them all. In ODIs, ABDV was better at his peak than Kohli is during his.
    Can you name some? Perhaps 5-10 from this decade?

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    I am afraid. Kohli has just begun.



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    Me. Just waiting for an opportunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting ..... I'd say they were probably as good as Kohli during their peak (even here I'm being kind/generous to them).

    But seriously, have you seen someone you can say was better than Kohli? This guy is not a man, his a bloody machine. He is a phenomenon seen once in 50 years in the game.

    41st ODI century, and 66th International century.
    Some batsmen might have been better than Kohli in some aspects but honestly as a whole I haven't seen any complete/reliable/better batsman than Kohli till date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Can you name some? Perhaps 5-10 from this decade?
    He has cited Babar Azam (before the NZ whitewash series) and Amla as greater ODI players, so that tells you what you need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting ..... I'd say they were probably as good as Kohli during their peak (even here I'm being kind/generous to them).

    But seriously, have you seen someone you can say was better than Kohli? This guy is not a man, his a bloody machine. He is a phenomenon seen once in 50 years in the game.

    41st ODI century, and 66th International century.
    In ODIs he is inches away from GOAT status. In tests , he has work to do.

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    In tests, yes!

    ODIs, NO!

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    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/sto...379-2019-04-06

    Virat Kohli, the all-time leading run-scorer in the Indian Premier League and only the 2nd Indian batsman to score 8000 T20 runs, is now part of most IPL defeats in history. No other player has featured in more defeats in IPL than Kohli's 86.

    On Friday, when Virat Kohli should have been celebrating a fine 49-ball 84 and his maiden fifth in the 2019 Indian Premier League, he was left to rue some bad choices on the field and a poor performance by his bowlers under pressure from Andre Russell when Kolkata Knight Riders needed 66 runs off the last 4 overs of their 206-run chase against Royal Challengers Bangalore.

    Andre Russell smashed 7 sixes in a breathtaking innings to leave RCB dazed. They have now lost all their 5 matches this season even as the other teams are going from strength to strength.

    Virat Kohli, who has 5110 runs from 168 IPL matches, has lost 86 matches in the tournament's 12-year history. These are staggering numbers and most experts will struggle to explain why one of the IPL's leading stars has failed so miserably as a captain.

    It's not like Kohli has been completely hopeless as RCB skipper.

    In 2016, when it looked curtains down for the Royal Challengers, Virat Kohli smashed 973 runs including 4 hundreds and took his team to the final. He had solid help from AB de Villiers and KL Rahul. While AB de Villiers continues to be part of the team, RCB let go of Rahul and Chris Gayle, who are now part of Kings XI Punjab.

    Leg-spinner Amit Mishra (Delhi Capitals) and AB de Villiers (RCB) have been part of 75 defeats in the IPL.

    All these players, barring Virat Kohli, have played for at least two teams.

    Virat Kohli was furious after RCB's 5th straight defeat in the 2019 IPL and said his bowlers needed to be braver after Andre Russell's brutal onslaught.

    "There is no guessing there, the last 4 four overs that we bowled was just unacceptable. We needed to be more clever, nothing came off and we just cracked under pressure," Kohli told the broadcasters after the match. "That's been our story this season so far. If you bowl with not enough bravery in the crucial overs, then you will always struggle against power-hitters like Russell."


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    Kohli is a very poor man manager and captain. No wonder he has such poor IPL record as a skipper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/sto...379-2019-04-06

    Virat Kohli, the all-time leading run-scorer in the Indian Premier League and only the 2nd Indian batsman to score 8000 T20 runs, is now part of most IPL defeats in history. No other player has featured in more defeats in IPL than Kohli's 86.

    On Friday, when Virat Kohli should have been celebrating a fine 49-ball 84 and his maiden fifth in the 2019 Indian Premier League, he was left to rue some bad choices on the field and a poor performance by his bowlers under pressure from Andre Russell when Kolkata Knight Riders needed 66 runs off the last 4 overs of their 206-run chase against Royal Challengers Bangalore.

    Andre Russell smashed 7 sixes in a breathtaking innings to leave RCB dazed. They have now lost all their 5 matches this season even as the other teams are going from strength to strength.

    Virat Kohli, who has 5110 runs from 168 IPL matches, has lost 86 matches in the tournament's 12-year history. These are staggering numbers and most experts will struggle to explain why one of the IPL's leading stars has failed so miserably as a captain.

    It's not like Kohli has been completely hopeless as RCB skipper.

    In 2016, when it looked curtains down for the Royal Challengers, Virat Kohli smashed 973 runs including 4 hundreds and took his team to the final. He had solid help from AB de Villiers and KL Rahul. While AB de Villiers continues to be part of the team, RCB let go of Rahul and Chris Gayle, who are now part of Kings XI Punjab.

    Leg-spinner Amit Mishra (Delhi Capitals) and AB de Villiers (RCB) have been part of 75 defeats in the IPL.

    All these players, barring Virat Kohli, have played for at least two teams.

    Virat Kohli was furious after RCB's 5th straight defeat in the 2019 IPL and said his bowlers needed to be braver after Andre Russell's brutal onslaught.

    "There is no guessing there, the last 4 four overs that we bowled was just unacceptable. We needed to be more clever, nothing came off and we just cracked under pressure," Kohli told the broadcasters after the match. "That's been our story this season so far. If you bowl with not enough bravery in the crucial overs, then you will always struggle against power-hitters like Russell."
    Some players are just not captain material. This is precisely why Dhoni will be in the Indian WC squad -his captaincy experience.

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    There's no doubt that he's an ATG already but he isn't a great captain. Rohit could do a better job for India as captain in ODIs.

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    Virat Kohli makes record breaking look easy and ahead of the India vs Afghanistan World Cup 2019 clash on Saturday he has put another one on the line. Virat Kohli, yet to score a century in the World Cup 2019, is only 104 runs away from becoming the fastest to score 20,000 international runs. Virat Kohli has taken only 415 innings -- 131 in Tests, 222 in ODIs, 62 in T20Is -- to register 19,896 international runs, putting cricket legends Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara's current joint-record under threat. Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara achieved the record in 453 innings while former Australia captain Ricky Ponting took 468 innings to complete 20,000 international runs.

    Kohli, arguably the finest batsman in world cricket at the moment, started his World Cup 2019 scoring a mere 18 runs against South Africa in India's inaugural match. He however then lived up to his billing and scored 82 against holders Australia before scoring 77 runs against arch-rivals Pakistan.

    At the World Cup 2019, Kohli already became the fastest to score 11,000 One-day International (ODI) runs, breaking Tendulkar's record in the process.

    Kohli, who has led India to a positive start in the World Cup 2019, achieved the feat in the match against Pakistan at Old Trafford in Manchester.

    India are currently fourth in the World Cup 2019 points table with a cent percent win record and one washed off game against New Zealand.

    The World Cup 2019 has not been a happy outing for many of the teams as it has been badly affected by rain, with two matches abandoned and one rained out after a few overs were bowled.

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    Needs to improve his World Cup average if to be even considered as ODI Greatest of all time .

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    Hopefully he scores well today in the chase!

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    5th 50 in a row for him now!

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    A great chance to score a winning hundred here, another one in the knockouts and he will cement his name as a world cup great.


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    Kohli has now failed to convert his last five ODI 50s into 100s, his worst such run in his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Needs to improve his World Cup average if to be even considered as ODI Greatest of all time .
    Kohli now averages 49 in WC.

    In 2019, he is averaging 63 @95 SR.

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    Virat Kohli will have a stand named after him at the Feroz Shah Kotla Stadium, the Delhi cricket board announced on Sunday. Kohli will be the youngest active cricketer to be bestowed with the honour of a stand being named after him.

    At the Feroz Shah Kotla, Bishan Singh Bedi and Mohinder Amarnath already have stands after their names, but this honour was bestowed upon them much after their retirement.

    “Virat Kohli’s outstanding contribution to world cricket has done DDCA proud. We are happy to honour him for achieving certain milestones and unbeatable captaincy record,” DDCA President Rajat Sharma said in a statement on Sunday.

    This was announced on the occasion of the eleventh anniversary of Kohli’s international debut. Kohli had made his debut in an ODI against Sri Lanka on August 18, 2008.

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    Brilliant batting display once again. Such a gorgeous player to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Those ODI and T20I averages are out of this world. He is in my opinion the greatest limited over batsman of all time.

    Somehow goes missing in World Cups though. Needs to correct that to be an undisputed No.1

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    overrated odi player. de villiers is better despite the average. He can't perform in No stages. What is the point of having a 60 average to fail 3 times in semi finals?? ****. devilliers is far better imo.

    kohli is actually underrated in tests. He will prove it this time vs england and Aussies away again.

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    He's a run machine, but I'd rather have Smith or AB for a WC.


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    ABD is definitely the superior batsman to Kohli in ODIs. Insane record in WC plus faster 50, 100 and 150. Kohli can keep his bilateral records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    He's a run machine, but I'd rather have Smith or AB for a WC.
    Kohli made 5 fifties in this world cup. He didn't get full overs mostly because of Rohit's form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Kohli made 5 fifties in this world cup. He didn't get full overs mostly because of Rohit's form.
    He batted at a very normal Strike Rate. If top order has given you strong start, you should be hitting 70 balls 100 like AB would do as the platform is already given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Kohli made 5 fifties in this world cup. He didn't get full overs mostly because of Rohit's form.
    You make use of whatever opportunity is given. Kohli doesn't have the ability strike at 200 SR from ball 1. When he does it, he doesn't get tons. Most of Kohli's centuries have 90-120 SR, since he doesn't have crazy high SR.

    Viv, Tendulkar, ABD all had far higher SR than their contemporaries. Kohli is slightky above average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Kohli made 5 fifties in this world cup. He didn't get full overs mostly because of Rohit's form.
    This Kohli is a run accumulator not the aggressive one we saw in 2012 Brisbane and Asia Cup knocks.

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    I have to agree with a few folks here that Kohli has been quite mediocre as per his standards in all World Cup.

    He has a hundred Vs Pakistan but remember it was a scratchy inning as he got a hundred after batting first at a not so great strike rate of 80 in this era. The Pakistan batting was just too weak that they succumbed under pressure otherwise it was a flat wicket and a strong team might have chased down the total.

    Apart from that, he has a few fifties in recent world cup, one or two against WI and Afghanistan which were decent knocks but it's fair to say in World Cup, his performance has been far from what legends are made of.

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    Looking back at this thread is funny. We have Indians applauding Kohli like he is unstoppable for scoring well in the number one test side, in a losing series....while Smith out scores him, single handedly wins tests and gives a mediocre test side (I think the next best batsman was Labuschagne) a draw in away conditions.....I guess Indians will think he is some kind of divine creature then.

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    There is no comparison between Kohli and Smith in test matches.

    It's like comparing Sachin with Inzi or Miandad. There is at least 1 tier difference between them. Same is the case with Kohli vs Smith in Test matches.

    But that does not mean Kohli is not an ATG or will not go down as an ATG. He will definitely go down as an ATG by the time his career ends. He just won't be the GOAT as many people thought he might become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    overrated odi player. de villiers is better despite the average. He can't perform in No stages. What is the point of having a 60 average to fail 3 times in semi finals?? ****. devilliers is far better imo.

    kohli is actually underrated in tests. He will prove it this time vs england and Aussies away again.
    What has ABDV done in a WC semi? How many semis did he win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    You make use of whatever opportunity is given. Kohli doesn't have the ability strike at 200 SR from ball 1. When he does it, he doesn't get tons. Most of Kohli's centuries have 90-120 SR, since he doesn't have crazy high SR.

    Viv, Tendulkar, ABD all had far higher SR than their contemporaries. Kohli is slightky above average.
    Kohli doesnot have to strike at 200 from ball 1. He has one of the greatest opening pairs before and had one of the greatest finishers after him. Still his SR is 93 with and avg of 60 plus. ABD had a SR of 101, but his avg is 53. It is important to score fast runs in LoIs but its far more important to score runs.

    I will not even go to T20Is where Kohli leaves AB in the dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Well you understood the gist of my post. The technicality of number of tiers between the two can be ignored.
    The diff between Kohli and Smith is not that big in tests. There is a difference and Smith is ahead, but to say that the difference is this big is unfair.

    Also Smith is a limited batsman, it seems he concentrates on Tests, because his ODI stats pale in front of Kohli and lets not even talk about the T20s. So if a players maiy operates in 1 format he is likely to perform better than the player who operates in 3 formats.

    Kohli is the GOAT of this era because he is a three format player, Smith is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    Looking back at this thread is funny. We have Indians applauding Kohli like he is unstoppable for scoring well in the number one test side, in a losing series....while Smith out scores him, single handedly wins tests and gives a mediocre test side (I think the next best batsman was Labuschagne) a draw in away conditions.....I guess Indians will think he is some kind of divine creature then.
    To be fair, Kohli is an ATG Test batsman. His record is now flawless and he's scored everywhere. The man's lowest average is 43 against WI just to put things into perspective.

    Kohli deserves the praise he gets. I'm not an Indian and I've always maintained he's the best batsman in the game (across all three formats).

    Now Smith (the Test batsman) is something else. He's extraordinary. Using him in any type of comparison is unfair because he'd school every legend in a like-for-like statistical comparison including those we've grown up admiring. Only Bradman can keep up and that says it all about Smith's generational talent in Test cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The diff between Kohli and Smith is not that big in tests. There is a difference and Smith is ahead, but to say that the difference is this big is unfair.

    Also Smith is a limited batsman, it seems he concentrates on Tests, because his ODI stats pale in front of Kohli and lets not even talk about the T20s. So if a players maiy operates in 1 format he is likely to perform better than the player who operates in 3 formats.

    Kohli is the GOAT of this era because he is a three format player, Smith is not.
    We are talking purely on Test cricket and not LOI's. In LOI's there is no comparison, Kohli will go down as top 5 batsmen of all time in LOI's:

    1. SRT
    2. Ponting
    3. Viv
    4. Kohli
    5. ABD

    However, in Test cricket many were suspecting (including me) Kohli will be as effective as he is in LOI's. Test cricket is Kohli's weakest format and Smith's strongest. There is not a huge difference between the two but IMO Kohli is a tier below Smith at the moment.

    Smith is SRT/Lara level is test matches, whereas Kohli is Dravid level, maybe he can elevate his game in coming years and reach SRT/Lara/Smith level but so far he is behind that level.

    Also a lot of people expected Kohli to be GOAT (not just in era but entire history of cricket) which looks to be not possible now, hence the post stating he will definitely be ATG but not GOAT. Smith on other hand can go down as GOAT in Test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What has ABDV done in a WC semi? How many semis did he win?
    he scored 63. what did kohli do? 3 times our for under 10. including the champions trophy.

    just cause devilliers had fodders around him doesn't mean that he dint excel. You have to look at the whole package. Kohli played for arguably one of the strongest indian odi sides of all time and still choked. This indian team would comfortably beat the 2015 s.african side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The diff between Kohli and Smith is not that big in tests. There is a difference and Smith is ahead, but to say that the difference is this big is unfair.

    Also Smith is a limited batsman, it seems he concentrates on Tests, because his ODI stats pale in front of Kohli and lets not even talk about the T20s. So if a players maiy operates in 1 format he is likely to perform better than the player who operates in 3 formats.

    Kohli is the GOAT of this era because he is a three format player, Smith is not.
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    Kohli is just out of this world when facing mediocre bowlers.
    Yesterday he was facing Mulder, Phelukwayo, Shamsi and I don't know who.

    The same happened in west indies, scored 2 hundreds out of 3 ODI 's against an attack led by Keemo Paul and then suddenly looked scratchy and out of firm against the better bowlers in the tests.

    Surely, everyone is better against poorer bowlers but Kohli have to show himself more against better bowlers.

    That' s what makes him a very good batsman or even a great one but far from the best for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Kohli is just out of this world when facing mediocre bowlers.
    Yesterday he was facing Mulder, Phelukwayo, Shamsi and I don't know who.

    The same happened in west indies, scored 2 hundreds out of 3 ODI 's against an attack led by Keemo Paul and then suddenly looked scratchy and out of firm against the better bowlers in the tests.

    Surely, everyone is better against poorer bowlers but Kohli have to show himself more against better bowlers.

    That' s what makes him a very good batsman or even a great one but far from the best for me.
    He is far from the best in my view as well, just one of many greats but also overrated. I laugh when people rate him as India's best or better than Smith/AB.

    But I was super impressed by his test batting in SA and Eng (conquering mental demons) last year against their best bowlers in difficult conditions, almost always without support. He also has scored plenty of runs and 100s in all SENA countries against many great bowlers. In tests he only has to prove on rank turners in Ind/SL.

    It may not be a popular opinion but I think Kohli the test batsman is underrated while in ODIs he is extremely overrated. Like Amla he has choked too many times to say these are statistical anomalies, he just hasn't been able to deliver in big matches or own an ICC tournament campaign. He might well be the T20 GOAT based on his WT20 record but somehow unable to click in 50 overs tournaments. Too many soft runs in that format.
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    Surely his performance in England was wonderful in that series.

    Even in SA he was very good.
    To be a great batsman like he is he has done great things. It's just that he plays too many innings like yesterday and that's make him over-rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Surely his performance in England was wonderful in that series.

    Even in SA he was very good.
    To be a great batsman like he is he has done great things. It's just that he plays too many innings like yesterday and that's make him over-rated.
    Why does it make him over-rated? He scores runs almost against everyone and everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    Looking back at this thread is funny. We have Indians applauding Kohli like he is unstoppable for scoring well in the number one test side, in a losing series....while Smith out scores him, single handedly wins tests and gives a mediocre test side (I think the next best batsman was Labuschagne) a draw in away conditions.....I guess Indians will think he is some kind of divine creature then.
    Yo are being glib.

    Both Smith and Kohli have had ATG level performances in the last 2 years respectively. Their teams results do not reflect the mastery displayed by each batsman. It is worth nothing to compare each of them by reducing to sheer number of runs or batting averages.

    Smith missed a test else he couldve had 1000 runs in the series. Kohli had the misfortune to run into arguably spicier pitches and an English attack with a fully fit Jimmy Anderson.

    It is extremely petty to disparage Kohli's performance last year simply because the teams results weren't in his favour.
    If Cummins had gotten injured and missed games or if review had gone against Smith in first test, even Smith may have been staring down wrong side of a 3-1 result

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Kohli is just out of this world when facing mediocre bowlers.
    Yesterday he was facing Mulder, Phelukwayo, Shamsi and I don't know who.

    The same happened in west indies, scored 2 hundreds out of 3 ODI 's against an attack led by Keemo Paul and then suddenly looked scratchy and out of firm against the better bowlers in the tests.

    Surely, everyone is better against poorer bowlers but Kohli have to show himself more against better bowlers.

    That' s what makes him a very good batsman or even a great one but far from the best for me.
    Did you see his 153 against SA? Or 123 on tough Perth wicket facing Australian bowlers?

    Let’s not get your inferiority complex in the way of rating a fine player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Surely his performance in England was wonderful in that series.

    Even in SA he was very good.
    To be a great batsman like he is he has done great things. It's just that he plays too many innings like yesterday and that's make him over-rated.
    So what is he supposed to do, provide opponents with anti aging magic so that they can play their retired atg bowlers against him instead of what they have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    So what is he supposed to do, provide opponents with anti aging magic so that they can play their retired atg bowlers against him instead of what they have?
    Just perform like Steven Smith does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Kohli is just out of this world when facing mediocre bowlers.
    Yesterday he was facing Mulder, Phelukwayo, Shamsi and I don't know who.

    The same happened in west indies, scored 2 hundreds out of 3 ODI 's against an attack led by Keemo Paul and then suddenly looked scratchy and out of firm against the better bowlers in the tests.

    Surely, everyone is better against poorer bowlers but Kohli have to show himself more against better bowlers.

    That' s what makes him a very good batsman or even a great one but far from the best for me.
    That's unfair.

    He's literally scored against everyone home and away (in all formats). Good bowling attacks, bad bowling attacks, minnow bowling attacks, he's put up runs against everyone.

    Multiple centuries in AUS vs Starc, Hazlewood, Harris, and Lyon
    Great performances in SA vs Rabada, Morkel, Philander, Ngidi
    Great performances in NZ vs Boult, Southee, Wagner
    Quality batting in ENG vs Anderson, Broad, Stokes, Woakes, and Rashid

    There are fair criticisms of Kohli (i.e. he doesn't score in ODI knockouts) but this certainly isn't one of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Just perform like Steven Smith does!
    Why? Smith doesn't perform like kohli does in LoI's, no one says smith should be performing like kohli does there.

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    If Kohli was a non-Indian, @Mobashir won't had any criticism, lol.

    Anyways, we all know inside, the two best batters of this era are Virat Kohli and Steven Smith.

    Smith is the best test bat of his era, and arguably the greatest in past many years.

    Kohli, on other hand, is the greatest all-format batter of all-time, with due-respect to ABD who is second in that.

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    The second T20 international between India and South Africa at Mohali turned out to be another occasion for the cricketing world to witness the genius of Virat Kohli. The Indian captain’s consistency across formats is something to marvel for fans and pundits alike and his unbeaten half-century, that took India to victory, earned him his 11th Man of the Match award in cricket’s shortest format.

    With this Kohli is now on par with another T20 legend. Former Pakistan captain and 2009 ICC WT20 champion Shahid Afridi enthralled fans with his all-round skills in T20Is and won 11 Man of the Match awards himself. With this effort on Wednesday, Kohli has equalled the mercurial Afridi’s feat. The two are now tied in the second spot for most MoM awards won in T20Is behind Afghanistan veteran Mohammad Nabi.

    Kohli’s unbeaten knock of 72 took him past teammate Rohit Sharma in the list of highest run-getters in the shortest format. His average is now above 50 across all formats again and he is the only cricketer in the world to currently hold this feat.

    “I don’t know how Virat bhaiya (brother) manages to score these many runs and that too with such consistency. He is a next-level player,” paceman Deepak Chahar at the post-match presser.

    Afridi himself took to twitter after the match and congratulated the Indian captain on another fabulous knock while chasing.


    “Congratulations Kohli! You are a great player indeed, wish you continued success, keep entertaining cricket fans all around the world,” tweeted Afridi after the match.

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    To say nobody held Kohli responsible for Cup loss would be incorrect: Vinod Rai

    Ex-CAG, Committee of Administrators Chairman Vinod Rai talks about the SC-appointed body’s ties with BCCI, calls row over Army insignia on Dhoni gloves oversight, defends Ravi Shastri’s selection, work as coach, and explains why he called for Pakistan’s ‘isolation’

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    SANDEEP DWIVEDI: There is a perception that as a sports administrator you have taken some populist measures. After the Pulwama attack, and before the World Cup, the BCCI wrote to the International Cricket Council to isolate Pakistan. You went on record to say that Pakistan should be treated the way South Africa was for Apartheid. ‘The present dispensation feels strongly about it because we reflect the sentiment of the nation. We are not a closed cricket community, we represent the nation,’ you said. But doesn’t this go against the Olympic Charter, where to play a sport is a human right?

    I was coming to things step by step. Were you allowing Pakistani players in the Indian Premier League? You were not. Now, India was slated to play Pakistan on June 16… There was a rhetoric built up over here that India should refuse to play with Pakistan. People were saying it, the media was reporting it. The media was not cooking it up. The media reports, picks up news from the ground… There was a headline saying that the BCCI wants to go for revenues, and that is why they want to play Pakistan. I don’t want to name the television anchor… Now, faced with such a situation, what was my reaction? If we don’t play Pakistan (in the World Cup), we lose one point, two points, and that doesn’t matter. But suppose Pakistan comes up in the semi-final and we withdraw. Isn’t that shooting yourself in the foot? We would be closing avenues for ourselves. Which, I thought, was an incorrect move. So I said, rather than shooting ourselves in the foot, let’s isolate them.


    SANDEEP DWIVEDI: During the World Cup, why did the BCCI write to the ICC seeking permission for M S Dhoni to wear wicket-keeping gloves with the ‘Balidaan Badge’, the regimental dagger insignia of the Army’s Special Forces? The request was turned down and it triggered a big media debate.

    That was a non-issue. What he wore was not the insignia of his regiment. But he wore something… At that point, at least I did not know that the ICC had rules about what you can put on your gloves. I was taken by surprise. I said, look, if he is wearing it, he is free to wear it, and I supported him. Then I was shown 11 pages of ICC norms which say that you can only have your team’s insignia and that of the manufacturers. So we had to withdraw. It was a genuine oversight by me. Why should I name anybody else? I did not know that there are such instructions.


    DAKSH PANWAR: Going back to the previous question, and just to make it clear, are you in favour of isolating Pakistan in cricket?

    No. As I said I was taking a position to counter the rhetoric which had gained momentum in the public domain. That’s all. On playing Pakistan, I think there is a government policy…that you can play on neutral territory, and not on each other’s… We are very clear in our minds that on neutral territory we will play any country.


    SUNIL JAIN: Many people are of the opinion that you are allowing the captain to decide everything… Virat Kohli didn’t want Anil Kumble to be coach. Then replacing Kumble with Ravi Shastri, who many argue was not the best coach. Your comments.

    We took charge on January 30, 2017. In April, when we happened to be in Hyderabad for the first match of the IPL season, Kumble’s contract was produced before me. Kumble’s contract, or rather selection as a coach, was for a two-year period. The person selected then did not find favour… So Kumble was selected, but he was given only a one-year tenure. Kumble’s contract did not have a clause for extension. The issue that came up was not so much about what happened in the dressing room… It was if we have to extend Kumble’s tenure, how do we do it? I was in favour of an extension if it was found appropriate by a certain committee. I said please follow the process. That’s all. And, what was the process? Call for applications, go through an interview process, and select the right person. You can call me ignoramus, but at the time I did not know what happened between the captain and the coach.


    SUNIL JAIN: How is Ravi Shastri as a coach?

    Now, again, I don’t know how many coaches would have been superior to Shastri, but at least he has managed to keep the team fighting fit, battle-ready and cohesive in every respect. So I think he performed very well as a coach.

    SANDEEP DWIVEDI: But there seems to be a problem with the coach selection process. Earlier, applications were invited and people applied. Ravi Shastri did not apply initially when Kumble’s contract was to be extended. Virat Kohli said that he doesn’t want Kumble. Then the BCCI CEO asked for fresh applications. That is when Ravi Shastri applied and got the position.

    The reasons (for this process) have been recorded in writing… Only the application period was extended and two people applied — it was not only Ravi Shastri. The application period was extended by four weeks, if I remember correctly.


    NIHAL KOSHIE: The Lodha Committee reforms say that people holding public offices, especially ministers, shouldn’t be in the BCCI. I’m asking this because the Union Home Minister, Mr Amit Shah, is the president of the Gujarat Cricket Association. Delhi MLA Om Prakash Sharma is a member of the executive committee of the Delhi and District Cricket Association. Don’t the Lodha Committee’s suggestions apply to these bodies as well?

    It’s a valid legal issue. We have addressed it. We went right up to the amicus also to check on this issue and we were told that their tenure is till the time the AGM (Annual General Meeting) is held. When the AGM is held, they will have to demit office… There are four-five people. They will all demit office.


    SANDEEP DWIVEDI: The Lodha Committee came out with certain clauses on the issue of conflict of interest. But there are several complaints about cricketers in this regard. Sourav Ganguly is president of the Cricket Association of Bengal, he is a commentator… Rahul Dravid is employed with India Cements…

    In his report, Justice Lodha has given about 20 examples of conflict of interest. So the issues are very clear. We abide by them a 100 per cent. Since you took certain names… Sourav Ganguly is in conflict since he is president of the Cricket Association of Bengal. No dispute about it. Rahul Dravid was (in breach) because he was employed by India Cements. He has been made to stop that. You can check up. There is a resignation.

    See, we believe that a cricketer is conflicted if he is employed or engaged in commentary for the BCCI. But if, say, you are doing commentary for a vernacular channel somewhere in Andhra Pradesh, and you had no dealings, you are a former player, why should you be in conflict? Now we wanted that issue to be cleared. I sincerely believe that it is a grey area. And the ethics officer, we believe, took a very narrow, legalistic view of what that conflict is. So we approached him for a reconsideration. He says, his mandate does not allow a review and you have to go back to the court.

    In Sourav’s case, as long as he is president of CAB, he can’t be a member of the Cricket Advisory Committee.

    TUSHAR BHADURI: The Committee of Administrators (CoA) was formed to implement the Lodha reforms. However, all we hear in the news is tussles within the body. Do you think you have got into details which were not your domain, like board administration and functioning?

    I have read the (Supreme Court) judgment… (It says) the CoA has been nominated by the court… and that the administrators shall supervise the management of the BCCI. So you have no option but to do administration. The judgment has a few important points. First, that the administration of the BCCI will be done by the CoA. Secondly, for (implementation of) reforms, we started as a four-member body; two people left. We are now left with two people… It’s not necessary to be unanimous, you must have healthy discussions and debate. The only objection I have is that it should not come out in the public domain.


    SANDEEP DWIVEDI: In April, the CoA approved travel plans for its own members to watch the June-July World Cup in England? Why were CoA administrators needed there?

    We took a decision for office-bearers to go. It was for seven days. What do they do (there)? When they go there, they will watch the matches. Why shouldn’t a member watch the matches?… I can give you 16 different examples of why it’s good to go there. I did not go… Seven days in 45 days is not a big thing.


    SUMIT JHA: If a captain, and not just in cricket but any other sport, is given powers to select coaches, doesn’t it take away from the game?

    It’s good to have checks and balances. When a team performs badly, I don’t think it’s only the captain’s (responsibility). There are a lot of closed door discussions… To say that nobody held Virat Kohli responsible for the (World Cup) loss would be incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Surprising that fans of Pakistan chose to ignore the greatest batsman of this generation Steve Smith in favour of the 2nd best.

    Why has Pakistan historically favoured the 2md greatest batsman across generation.

    Viv over Gavaskar
    Lara over Tendulkar
    Kohli over Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Surprising that fans of Pakistan chose to ignore the greatest batsman of this generation Steve Smith in favour of the 2nd best.

    Why has Pakistan historically favoured the 2md greatest batsman across generation.

    Viv over Gavaskar
    Lara over Tendulkar
    Kohli over Smith
    TBH both of them are the only the ATG batsmen of this generation. Smith is of course above the rest but Kohli is not far behind. Root/Williamson/Warner etc are great but nowhere near ATG material.

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    Virat Kohli, while leading India in the second Test against South Africa, surpassed Sourav Ganguly to become only the second Indian captain to lead the side in 50 Test matches. Former captain Sourav Ganguly had led India in 49 Tests from 2000 to 2005. MS Dhoni is the only other captain to lead India in 50 Tests. He had led the team in 60 Test matches from 2008 to 2014. The Board of Control For Cricket in India (BCCI) took note of Virat Kohli's milestone as a Test captain and tweeted, "It will be Match No. 50 as Test Captain for @imVkohli when he takes the field in the 2nd Test against South Africa. Congratulations Skip!"

    Kohli is the most successful Test captain for India with a win percent of 58. He has led India to 29 wins from 2014. Dhoni had led India to 27 wins from 60 matches while under Ganguly India won 21 Test matches.

    Former South African captain Graeme Smith leads the list of most Test wins as a captain with 53 victories from 109 matches followed by Ricky Ponting (48).

    Under the captaincy of Kohli, India began the World Test Championship with a clean sweep over the West Indies. They had bagged 120 points from the away series.

    India began their home leg of the World Test Championship with a win over South Africa. The victory helped India consolidate their top spot in the Word Test Championship with 160 points.

    India will host South Africa in the final Test in Ranchi, starting from October 19.
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    Indian captain Virat Kohli has moved past batting royalty like Sachin Tendulkar and Ricky Ponting, scoring his seventh Test double century in the second Test against South Africa.

    Kohli moved to 200 early in the final session on day two in Pune, joining England great Wally Hammond and Sri Lanka’s Mahela Jayawardene in scoring seven double tons in Tests.

    Only the great Sir Donald Bradman (12), Sri Lankan legend Kumar Sangakkara (11) and West Indies icon Brian Lara (nine) have posted more scores of 200 or more in Test cricket.

    Tendulkar, Ponting, Younis Khan, Javed Miandad, Virender Sehwag and Marvan Atapattu all scored six double hundreds.

    Playing his 81st Test, Kohli also reached the milestone of 7000 career runs on Friday, moving past Bradman’s iconic figure of 6996 runs that came in 52 Tests.

    The Indian skipper is the equal-fourth fastest man in history to the 7000-run mark, levelling Sangakarra and West Indian Sir Gary Sobers in achieving the mark in 138 innings. Hammond’s mark of 131 innings remains the benchmark.

    Remarkably, Kohli’s seven double tons have come in the space of just 40 Tests since his first in July 2016, during which time he’s averaged almost 67 with the bat.

    For context, Bradman’s 12 double tons came in 52 career Tests.

    In his 50th match as skipper, the 30-year-old posted his ninth score beyond 150 as Test skipper, breaking Bradman’s record of eight.

    After a 138-run stand for the second wicket between centurion Mayank Agarwal and Cheteshwar Pujara on the opening day, it was the turn of Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane (59) to turn the screws on South Africa with a partnership of 178.

    Armed with the second new ball, which was about five overs old, Kagiso Rabada and Vernon Philander started off strongly on Friday morning to keep the batsmen on their toes.

    There were not many scoring opportunities provided by the fast bowlers and most runs during the first 30 minutes came off the edge of the bat.

    The frustrating wait for a breakthrough continued for the South Africans as Kohli, who was dropped on three by spinner Keshav Maharaj off his own bowling on Thursday, had at least three edges elude the fielder behind the wicket.

    Once the ball had lost some shine and the pitch some movement, Kohli opened up and converted his knock into a hundred in his fifth Test of 2019.

    Trademark drives on both sides of the wicket flowed from the right-hander's bat as India piled on the runs on a surface expected to assist the slow bowlers more as the match progressed.

    A sublime straight-driven boundary off Philander brought up the hundred for Kohli. The skipper also has 43 tons in the 50-over format.

    More to come

    Most Test double hundreds

    12 – Sir Donald Bradman (52 Tests)

    11 – Kumar Sangakkara (134 Tests)

    9 – Brian Lara (131 Tests)

    7 – Virat Kohli (81 Tests*)

    7 - Wally Hammond (85 Tests)

    7 - Mahela Jayawardene (149 Tests)

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    It's about quality of time and not number of runs

    Sangakkara hit 11 doubles. Only 4 of them were high quality.

    Same goes for Mahela and Miandad

    Sehwag and Hammond hit the most high quality doubles

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    It's about quality of time and not number of runs

    Sangakkara hit 11 doubles. Only 4 of them were high quality.

    Same goes for Mahela and Miandad

    Sehwag and Hammond hit the most high quality doubles
    Lara's doubles were also often good quality.

    Regarding this comment, KP made some quality hundreds and recently Smith is also making some quality hundreds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Lara's doubles were also often good quality.

    Regarding this comment, KP made some quality hundreds and recently Smith is also making some quality hundreds.
    Not a single.double vs India in India though.

    Any non Indian who hasn't performed in India is half the cricketer in my eyes bro no offense

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    87% of Steven Smith's runs are of high quality

    That's the most by any batsman since Gavaskar (92%)

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    In Test matches, Steve Smith is easily ahead of Kohli. An India vs Australia test match would be really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    87% of Steven Smith's runs are of high quality

    That's the most by any batsman since Gavaskar (92%)
    If this is based on logic and maths(a big IF) then i would like to know about it bhaijaan.

    How can a batsman make 92% high quality runs.


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