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    Why is cricket in Pakistan not as lucrative compared to other major cricketing nations?

    I was very shocked to see the Cricinfo reports where comparisons were made among the professional salaries being paid to Cricketers and Coaches from all the major cricket paying nations around the world.

    I can understand that India being a nation of a billion plus people, they understandably have the largest cricket loving market in the world and it is no surprise to see all the major Indian Cricketers like Dhoni, Kohli and co already making annual salaries close $1,000,000 per year. Heck the Indian Coach himself is the highest paid coach in the world making $1,000,000 per year.

    But after India, Pakistan has the second largest Cricket loving market in the world with a population of 200 million plus, yet it was reported that Sarfaraz was making $300,000 a year which was even lower than the salaries being paid to Irish cricketers. Heck Australian and English Cricketers are way better paid professionally by their boards compared to our players.

    We are not even factoring in the state of our domestic cricket over here.

    I am just curious where did the PCB go wrong compared to the BCCI when it came to getting major commercial sponsors and injecting big time money into the game.

    The Pakistani Cricketing industry should have been lucrative and not so far behind compared to India
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    Sponsors. Thats about it.


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    In Ireland you require far more money to live well than you would in Pakistan as everything here is so expensive. In addition Irish players receive virtually zero sponsorship fees or extra money outside of match fees. Pakistan cricketer's central contract salaries may be low but thats balanced out by the lower cost of living and far far higher levels of outside sponsorship they receive compared to cricketers in probably any other country bar India.

    I reckon Pakistan cricketers arguably live better off than any other country's sides bar India's tbh, just might not be reflected through purely looking at central contract salaries.


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    Terrorism .

    before 2000< there wasn't that much of money in Cricket anyways also not even India. And from then on Pakistan has sufferd alot from terrorism! Therefore the multinational companies are reluctant to invest in Pakistan. I hope it gets better in coming years and when PSL is played in Pakistan ( a full edition with all international cricketers ) it will change also the fortunes of Pakistan cricket and cricketers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    In Ireland you require far more money to live well than you would in Pakistan as everything here is so expensive. In addition Irish players receive virtually zero sponsorship fees or extra money outside of match fees. Pakistan cricketer's central contract salaries may be low but thats balanced out by the lower cost of living and far far higher levels of outside sponsorship they receive compared to cricketers in probably any other country bar India.

    I reckon Pakistan cricketers arguably live better off than any other country's sides bar India's tbh, just might not be reflected through purely looking at central contract salaries.
    Cost of living in Pakistan is certainly not low. Sure if someone is earning in USD but spending in PKR, then its a different story but if someone is earning in PKR and spending in PKR as well then life is very tough.

    The cost of living in Pakistan from the 70's-90's vs now is a whole different ball game, i am sure its the same in the west as well but most poor to lower middle class people will prefer to struggle and live in the West compared to Pakistan right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I was very shocked to see the Cricinfo reports where comparisons were made among the professional salaries being paid to Cricketers and Coaches from all the major cricket paying nations around the world.

    I can understand that India being a nation of a billion plus people, they understandably have the largest cricket loving market in the world and it is no surprise to see all the major Indian Cricketers like Dhoni, Kohli and co already making annual salaries close $1,000,000 per year. Heck the Indian Coach himself is the highest paid coach in the world making $1,000,000 per year.

    But after India, Pakistan has the second largest Cricket loving market in the world with a population of 200 million plus, yet it was reported that Sarfaraz was making $30,000 a year which was even lower than the salaries being paid to Irish cricketers. Heck Australian and English Cricketers are way better paid professionally by their boards compared to our players.

    We are not even factoring in the state of our domestic cricket over here.

    I am just curious where did the PCB go wrong compared to the BCCI when it came to getting major commercial sponsors and injecting big time money into the game.

    The Pakistani Cricketing industry should have been lucrative and not so far behind compared to India
    Simple answer is Indian Economy and the cricket mad nation.

    Its not just the population numbers that count .... its the passion and most importantly the buying prowess of the massive middle class population. The other aspect is the significant Indian population overseas who are even more wealthy and equally passionate about Cricket. You get to see that when India tour to Eng/Aus and the grounds have significant Indian presence. These things are what makes Indian Cricket a sponsor magnet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Simple answer is Indian Economy and the cricket mad nation.

    Its not just the population numbers that count .... its the passion and most importantly the buying prowess of the massive middle class population. The other aspect is the significant Indian population overseas who are even more wealthy and equally passionate about Cricket. You get to see that when India tour to Eng/Aus and the grounds have significant Indian presence. These things are what makes Indian Cricket a sponsor magnet.
    BCCI and the PCB were at par in the 80's and 90's, the BCCI got way ahead from 2000 onwards when it came to money.

    Sure i am not saying we should be at India's level financially but the PCB, Pakistan Cricket should not be this financially poor where we lag behind even Australia and England where the population is not more than 20 million each. The corporate sector in Pakistan has not pumped in enough money into Cricket and it was the PCB which forced the corporate sector to invest in the PSL and only now many other parties are coming to the PCB expressing interest in buying PSL teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    BCCI and the PCB were at par in the 80's and 90's, the BCCI got way ahead from 2000 onwards when it came to money.

    Sure i am not saying we should be at India's level financially but the PCB, Pakistan Cricket should not be this financially poor where we lag behind even Australia and England where the population is not more than 20 million each. The corporate sector in Pakistan has not pumped in enough money into Cricket and it was the PCB which forced the corporate sector to invest in the PSL and only now many other parties are coming to the PCB expressing interest in buying PSL teams.
    The GDP of Pakistan is $283.7 billion US. The GDP of Australia is $1.205 trillion US.


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    So the OP is honestly not aware why the cricketers in Pakistan are not paid as much. Everyone, no matter what one's interests and profession, must know that it is about the economy of a nation. Economy of a nation decides how much the top sportsmen of that nation will get paid.

    Now go ahead and analyse why Pakistan economy lags behind. You will get your explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    BCCI and the PCB were at par in the 80's and 90's, the BCCI got way ahead from 2000 onwards when it came to money.
    Professionalism and very business savvy leadership. India's image , political stability and most importantly the end product that we have put up in the last 20-25 yrs have all contributed to the end result.

    And to experience the thrill and passion watch India's innings right now. The atmosphere is just electric. Just nothing like watching cricket in India.


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    Honestly tired of this false propaganda and this same point, this thread has been done to death before many times.

    Copy paste of my posts:

    In USD and INR: PAKISTANI PLAYER SALARIES

    3713836 yearly, that's 37 lakh (57,628.08 USD)

    2.5 lakhs per Test match 3879 USD
    2 lakhs per ODI 3800 USD

    Scoring a 100 in Test or ODI lands 3879 USD in addition

    250% bonus in match fee if Pakistan beat a top three ranked team or India in Test Series or ODI Series. 400% bonus in match fee if Pakistan wins 50 over or T20 World Cup. So say someone who plays 10 Tests and 20 ODIs in a year will make around 180,000USD a year excluding any bonuses.

    Does not include sponsorships etc.

    Those are all what was reported last year from PCB sources and cricketing websites, google them. It depends on a lot of things, eg Babar Azam plays all three formats and gets around $180,000 a year as a result if he plays 10 Tests and 20 ODIs. If Pakistan beats Australia then his money would be almost $400,000 a year due to a 250% bonus on his income.

    I am not sure how much they get from sponsorship. But from PSL you can get as little as $50,000 to $100,000-$140,000 for the top players in addition to their PCB salaries. So top players likely can clear a lot of money, even failures like Shehzad earnt crores from PSL and sponsorships alone. The above quoted money does not include Azam's PSL salary

    This is all without any cricket played in Pakistan and PCB eating money, when we have cricket one day in Pakistan all these will go up.

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    Another example:

    Sarfraz's contract, monthly retainer is 500,000. Test Match fee is 400,000 Rs, ODI 300,000 T20 125,000.

    So minimum in an average year say he plays 10 tests, 20 ODIs, 10 T20s his salary is: 60 lakh from montly retainers, he gets 40 lakh from test matches, 30 lakh from odis and 12 lakh from t20s. All together: 1 Crore 42 lakh.

    That is $142,000. If Pakistan beats a top 3 team in any series then it becomes $355,000.

    This does not even include his sponsorship or PSL salary.

    I don't know what reports OP has read but the salary and the numbers I have used are all the same from the following sources:

    http://www.totalsportek.com/cricket/...ayer-salaries/
    http://www.businessplustv.pk/2017/07...-year-2017-18/
    http://www.sportsind.com/cricket/pak...yers-salaries/
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1469579...ease-salaries/

    Infact 2 of the above links show even a higher of the numbers I used. Use those numbers and some simple math and this myth of our poor players earning peanuts is just that, a myth. Domestic ones earn nothing that's a fact but our first team players earn tons.

    Use those same numbers for someone like Amir and Hasan and you'd get even more money once you add in their PSL, CPL, BPL or any county money. But I used Sarafraz as he only plays PSL.
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    Compare the GDP of Pakistan with other cricket countries and you will get you're answers. Also popularism and how good you are as a player also brings in revenue sponsors and money just starts flowing in.

    Lack of games showing in Pakistan also plays a negative impact here. How many sponsors show Pakistan games within the country.

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    It's the lack of disposable income in Pakistan.


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    The figures are wrong.
    But in general, a team that has lost its last 12 test matches badly in Australia (for instance) should not expect a massive billing

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    Simple One word answer is ...... Economy and the sheer numbers of Indians !!!!!! When you have money to burn ..... Sky is the Limit !!!! Also, the Indians are very clever at making Money by spending it First !!!!!

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    No sponsors. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    No sponsors. That's it.
    Sponsors are there. Plenty of big major Pakistani companies and MNC's in Pakistan. The real question is why are they not investing funds in Cricket. What can the PCB do encourage them to invest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    It's the lack of disposable income in Pakistan.
    And Indians have a large disposal income? Doesn't seem so when I see the almost similar per capita income of both countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Sponsors are there. Plenty of big major Pakistani companies and MNC's in Pakistan. The real question is why are they not investing funds in Cricket. What can the PCB do encourage them to invest?
    They are sponsoring according to the returns they expect.

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    Shocking stat that one - Sarfraz Ahmed, the captain of Pakistan - earning lesser than an Ireland player.

    Can someone double check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Shocking stat that one - Sarfraz Ahmed, the captain of Pakistan - earning lesser than an Ireland player.

    Can someone double check?
    Read my post a few post above yours. It explains the OPs erroneous post.

    Also the OP checked a source which said 0.3 million. For some bizarre reason he mistook it as 30,000.

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    There are several factors that bring in the $$. The size of the fan base, their disposable incomes, their willingness to spend on the products and services being advertised by the sponsors, state of the economy etc.

    The other side of it is what amount of effort the PCB puts to bring in the $$. Are they negotiating good TV deals? These days digital content is the big thing with various avenues for people to consume the sport. Is that revenue being maximized? Are they tapping all the markets for revenue? For example the United States is the 4th largest market (behind the Big3) in terms of $$ revenue potential. Is this market being tapped?

    It's an amalgamation of several factors that determine the amount of $$ in the sport and consequently the earnings of the players. And I am not even mentioning the endorsement potential of players independent of their salaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Read my post a few post above yours. It explains the OPs erroneous post.

    Also the OP checked a source which said 0.3 million. For some bizarre reason he mistook it as 30,000.
    Thanks for the clarification.

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    Pakistani players live like kings in Pakistan. They earn more than enough money considering the general cost of living in Pakistan. You can live a very good life in Pakistan if you have a monthly income of PKR 4-5 lakh, and our cricketers earn a lot more than that.

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    That cricinfo article compares base salaries only and doesn't consider the rest of the pay Pakistan players get. Base salary for Pakistan's players is the same as what Irish players get in terms of dollars, but here are some differences:

    Ireland only has like 13 contracted players VS Pakistan has somewhere 30-40 contracted players.
    Pakistan players make significantly more from match fees
    Pakistani players make significantly higher from sponsors, which was not taken into account in cricinfo
    Pakistan players make a lot of money from PSL

    And then if you look at the difference between living costs, 100K in ireland might be average but 100K a year in Pakistan is like Elite class.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Sponsors. Thats about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Its not just the population numbers that count .... its the passion and most importantly the buying prowess of the massive middle class population.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    It's the lack of disposable income in Pakistan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sadevdesai View Post
    Economy and the sheer numbers of Indians !!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Sponsors are there. Plenty of big major Pakistani companies and MNC's in Pakistan. The real question is why are they not investing funds in Cricket.
    I recently watched some Pakistani and some Indian games. To understand how much money the sponsors can afford to spend, you have to see what is being advertised. Both countries had smartphone adverts, but the Indian game also had BMW cars. It tells you that there are enough buyers for BMWs in India, and of course if such high value items are being advertised, then the ad rates must be correspondingly higher which means more money for the cricket board.

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    Political uncertainty is the reason why investors feel insecure about their investments. Add security situation into this equation and we have a missive infrastructural problem on our hands. This unstable nature of politics is tearing down the very social fabric of our society, which also includes cricket. But I hope things get better and the next elections are held successfully, which is highly unlikely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafeezrocks View Post
    And Indians have a large disposal income? Doesn't seem so when I see the almost similar per capita income of both countries.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2004.html#in

    India per capita income in 2016: $6700 and growing at 6-7%
    Pakistan: $5100 and growing at a mere 3-4%

    India's per capita income is higher than Pak's by more than 30% and the difference is increasing each year. Also India's population growth rate is slower than Pak's. I don't know in which planet are these numbers considered similar. In fact in 10-15 years time, India and Pak will belong in two different planets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2004.html#in

    India per capita income in 2016: $6700 and growing at 6-7%
    Pakistan: $5100 and growing at a mere 3-4%

    India's per capita income is higher than Pak's by more than 30% and the difference is increasing each year. Also India's population growth rate is slower than Pak's. I don't know in which planet are these numbers considered similar. In fact in 10-15 years time, India and Pak will belong in two different planets.
    Per capita is actually a pretty misleading standard. India has huge amounts of money at the upper and upper-middle strata of society and obviously India's population is also much larger and hence the market is bigger.

    The main issue though is due to instability, highly conservative laws/culture etc, outside investors are less likely to channel in huge funds to Pakistan as has been done in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2004.html#in

    India per capita income in 2016: $6700 and growing at 6-7%
    Pakistan: $5100 and growing at a mere 3-4%

    India's per capita income is higher than Pak's by more than 30% and the difference is increasing each year. Also India's population growth rate is slower than Pak's. I don't know in which planet are these numbers considered similar. In fact in 10-15 years time, India and Pak will belong in two different planets.
    The upper,upper middle and middle class of India would be more than Pakistan's entire population and these people will have a far higher per capita income.

    Anyways in simple terms anyone would find more returns on investment from a $2.4tn(nominal) $9.4tn (PPP) economy growingat 7% than in a 284bn(nominal) 1.06tn(PPP) economy growing at less than 5%

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    On topic, fair to say that you need Micromax Super 6 & 4 to bring more crowds in i.e. make cricket more glamorous, it works (to an extent) in our part of the world

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    In other news while this is discussed not sure how lucrative, but India now has Kabadi leagues and even football leagues called Isl I think which is in the same style as Ipl has foreign coaches players from foreign countries. Not sure how lucrative and if the crowd and revenue gained is bigger or as much as it gets back from Ipl. But I think it's good strategy to move out of Ipl and think of other games like football which bring about good lucrative sponsorship deals and side by side giving Indian players good coaching and confidence in other games like soccer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    In other news while this is discussed not sure how lucrative, but India now has Kabadi leagues and even football leagues called Isl I think which is in the same style as Ipl has foreign coaches players from foreign countries. Not sure how lucrative and if the crowd and revenue gained is bigger or as much as it gets back from Ipl. But I think it's good strategy to move out of Ipl and think of other games like football which bring about good lucrative sponsorship deals and side by side giving Indian players good coaching and confidence in other games like soccer.
    Kabaddi league (PKL) has now become the second biggest league after IPL in India. Kabaddi is packaged superbly by Star sports and many TV watchers are now hooked onto Kabaddi, including me. Now I am one of those who find PKL more exciting than many cricket matches and tournaments. I think shift away from cricket is a good move.

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    @Savak 's point is actually valid. While people are bringing on ad-ons related to selection, we play so many matches BECAUSE we earn revenue. Thus, the base pay should be higher.

    One point ignored is that we have a larger number of players on central contracts

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    We dont help ourselves. Instead of nike or addidas we had boom boom and instead of open bidding on tv rights sethi sb just gifted them to geo both of which scream nepotism. There should be a clear and transparent advert and tender process for all rights or sponsorships. Additionally as posted above we are a lot poorer then india uk etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    So the OP is honestly not aware why the cricketers in Pakistan are not paid as much. Everyone, no matter what one's interests and profession, must know that it is about the economy of a nation. Economy of a nation decides how much the top sportsmen of that nation will get paid.

    Now go ahead and analyse why Pakistan economy lags behind. You will get your explanation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    Compare the GDP of Pakistan with other cricket countries and you will get you're answers. Also popularism and how good you are as a player also brings in revenue sponsors and money just starts flowing in.

    Lack of games showing in Pakistan also plays a negative impact here. How many sponsors show Pakistan games within the country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Simple answer is Indian Economy and the cricket mad nation.

    Its not just the population numbers that count .... its the passion and most importantly the buying prowess of the massive middle class population. The other aspect is the significant Indian population overseas who are even more wealthy and equally passionate about Cricket. You get to see that when India tour to Eng/Aus and the grounds have significant Indian presence. These things are what makes Indian Cricket a sponsor magnet.
    Economy matters but in India's case it's all about the population. India's GDP per capita is about 10-15% higher which does not explain the difference, but it's overall GDP is much higher owing to the larger population, and that larger population is pumping money in a similar number of players that the Pakistani population is pumping money into, which explains the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...s/2004.html#in

    India per capita income in 2016: $6700 and growing at 6-7%
    Pakistan: $5100 and growing at a mere 3-4%

    India's per capita income is higher than Pak's by more than 30% and the difference is increasing each year. Also India's population growth rate is slower than Pak's. I don't know in which planet are these numbers considered similar. In fact in 10-15 years time, India and Pak will belong in two different planets.
    Given your tone, I think you'd have been quite sad at the advent of CPEC and what it will bring in the next 10-15 years. The prediction in your last sentence will especially hang in balance after CPEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanz141 View Post
    That cricinfo article compares base salaries only and doesn't consider the rest of the pay Pakistan players get. Base salary for Pakistan's players is the same as what Irish players get in terms of dollars, but here are some differences:

    Ireland only has like 13 contracted players VS Pakistan has somewhere 30-40 contracted players.
    Pakistan players make significantly more from match fees
    Pakistani players make significantly higher from sponsors, which was not taken into account in cricinfo
    Pakistan players make a lot of money from PSL

    And then if you look at the difference between living costs, 100K in ireland might be average but 100K a year in Pakistan is like Elite class.
    Why is everyone ignoring the elephant(s) in the room, which is the above post?

    Number of contracted players, match fees, PSL earnings, cost of living. All those significantly help Pakistani players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Given your tone, I think you'd have been quite sad at the advent of CPEC and what it will bring in the next 10-15 years. The prediction in your last sentence will especially hang in balance after CPEC.
    The total value of CPEC is not much bigger than the annual defence budget of India and equal to the FDI India received in 1 financial year.So its wise to flaunt this CPEC to countries who have small economies that dont receive much FDI and are struggling to grow, not to Indians.

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    The total value of CPEC (around $ 50 billion) is one weeks GDP of India. Indian defence budget is not equal to it, it is more than Pakistan GDP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The total value of CPEC is not much bigger than the annual defence budget of India and equal to the FDI India received in 1 financial year.So its wise to flaunt this CPEC to countries who have small economies that dont receive much FDI and are struggling to grow, not to Indians.
    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    The total value of CPEC (around $ 50 billion) is one weeks GDP of India. Indian defence budget is not equal to it, it is more than Pakistan GDP.
    First, why are you looking at it from absolute numbers perspective? The original post was about growth rate. CPEC will effect growth rate. Without much input from CPEC it's already 5.3%. Of course Indian economy is much bigger, otherwise majority of Indians would be in poverty instead of current 25-30%. Second, the effect of any investment is much bigger than the investment itself, especially when almost all of it is in infrastructure and future transportation project.

    Finally, since when did Indian defence budget become bigger than Pakistan's GDP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    First, why are you looking at it from absolute numbers perspective? The original post was about growth rate. CPEC will effect growth rate. Without much input from CPEC it's already 5.3%. Of course Indian economy is much bigger, otherwise majority of Indians would be in poverty instead of current 25-30%. Second, the effect of any investment is much bigger than the investment itself, especially when almost all of it is in infrastructure and future transportation project.

    Finally, since when did Indian defence budget become bigger than Pakistan's GDP?
    Pakistans Gdp growth rate is 5.3%?Hasnt the govt been accused of fudging those figures?

    Indias poverty rate is 21% and thst was in 2015.Its likely to be less now.Pakistans figures will be known if and when actual census results are out.

    I am just telling you that the total investment in CPEC over the years will only be equal to 1yr FDI in India today.So bringing CPEC and flaunting it to Indians isnt a bright idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pakistans Gdp growth rate is 5.3%?Hasnt the govt been accused of fudging those figures?
    Governments get accused of fudging figures all the time. The 5.3% rate is widely accepted now by all international bodies.

    Indias poverty rate is 21% and thst was in 2015.Its likely to be less now.Pakistans figures will be known if and when actual census results are out.
    Pakistan's poverty rate was already 7% in 2013 as per world bank.

    I am just telling you that the total investment in CPEC over the years will only be equal to 1yr FDI in India today.So bringing CPEC and flaunting it to Indians isnt a bright idea.
    I just explained to you that we're not talking about absolute figures. There's no need to bring in absolute figures each time. 60 bn FDI will not make as much difference in India as it will be in Pakistan. It will not make as much difference in US as it will in Canada.

    FYI, It is usually your countrymen that are flaunting 10% higher GDP per capita and 30% higher per capita income. Just read the initial post(s) that started this - all from your countrymen. Obviously they were talking about per capita figures as opposed to absolute figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Governments get accused of fudging figures all the time. The 5.3% rate is widely accepted now by all international bodies.



    Pakistan's poverty rate was already 7% in 2013 as per world bank.



    I just explained to you that we're not talking about absolute figures. There's no need to bring in absolute figures each time. 60 bn FDI will not make as much difference in India as it will be in Pakistan. It will not make as much difference in US as it will in Canada.

    FYI, It is usually your countrymen that are flaunting 10% higher GDP per capita and 30% higher per capita income. Just read the initial post(s) that started this - all from your countrymen. Obviously they were talking about per capita figures as opposed to absolute figures.
    Can we keep this general discussion on economy etc off cricket forum?


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    The private sector of Pakistan offers a lot of Juice. We have extremely rich business owners like Sadruddin Hashwani, Mian Mansha Natt, Malik Riaz, Arif Habib, Shahid Khan who haven't even been involved in owning a PSL Franchise yet. We haven't even gotten rich Arab investors involved yet.

    I believe that if you can create 3 teams with the names of the 3-4 top most cities from every major province in Pakistan you can easily have a PSL with 16-20 teams and every opportunity to include every youngster in Pakistan is maximized. This way we can easily be No 2 to the IPL and might need a seperate PSL Window in international cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The private sector of Pakistan offers a lot of Juice. We have extremely rich business owners like Sadruddin Hashwani, Mian Mansha Natt, Malik Riaz, Arif Habib, Shahid Khan who haven't even been involved in owning a PSL Franchise yet. We haven't even gotten rich Arab investors involved yet.

    I believe that if you can create 3 teams with the names of the 3-4 top most cities from every major province in Pakistan you can easily have a PSL with 16-20 teams and every opportunity to include every youngster in Pakistan is maximized. This way we can easily be No 2 to the IPL and might need a seperate PSL Window in international cricket.
    Except Shahid Khan who is actually AmericAn is there any resident Pakistani who has a net worth of a billion usd or close to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Except Shahid Khan who is actually AmericAn is there any resident Pakistani who has a net worth of a billion usd or close to that?
    According to various websites the following individuals are close to $1 billion

    Sir Anwar Pervez
    Mian Muhammad Mansha Naat
    Saddruddin Hashwani
    Deewan Family
    Malik Riaz

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    I think the biggest hurdle is not playing in Pakistan but security is improving each year so I'm hopeful that cricket will return to Pakistan. Things are starting to get back on track, once PSL is brought back to Pakistan that will induce a lot of excitement and money into Pak cricket and I think that's the way it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    According to various websites the following individuals are close to $1 billion

    Sir Anwar Pervez
    Mian Muhammad Mansha Naat
    Saddruddin Hashwani
    Deewan Family
    Malik Riaz
    Please post the links to websites. Most credible are the likes of forbes Bloomberg Sunday times and the latest newbie is Hurun.

    I know Shahid Khan and Anwar pervez apear on those lists and Mansha once made it to forbes list in 2009. Rest are not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Please post the links to websites. Most credible are the likes of forbes Bloomberg Sunday times and the latest newbie is Hurun.

    I know Shahid Khan and Anwar pervez apear on those lists and Mansha once made it to forbes list in 2009. Rest are not there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_net_worth

    You can take a look at this list and the names mentioned here. There are people in Pakistan with extremely deep pockets who need to aggressively targetted by the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_net_worth

    You can take a look at this list and the names mentioned here. There are people in Pakistan with extremely deep pockets who need to aggressively targetted by the PCB.
    As i told you, except Shahid Khan and Anwer Parvez no one else of Pakistani origin makes to any well known credible list that tracks the uber rich.

    Those wikipedia entries are not a credible source. Spending 50-60 cr pkr a year is no small thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    As i told you, except Shahid Khan and Anwer Parvez no one else of Pakistani origin makes to any well known credible list that tracks the uber rich.

    Those wikipedia entries are not a credible source. Spending 50-60 cr pkr a year is no small thing.
    I know you like to feel that everyone in Pakistan is dirt poor but there are some rich people who are filthy rich in Pakistan and these people are not even on that list and these people can comfortably afford to invest in and buy out a PSL franchise

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    If you compare with IPL, then it is not. But given the standard of living and Forex rate, much better than NZC, WIC, and at par with SAF cricket. And unlike NZC, SAF, WIC, nobody gives 3/4 cars for winning CT.


    Just that our players have become greedy, and they want to earn more with less efforts, and cricketing results.This is again propaganda spread by our players to put pressure on PCB,etc.

    PCB , also has policy to award players based on their performances for like scoring century in a match , taking 5 wickets, etc. And how many of our players do eventually even cash in those incentives. Rarely.

    Also, even if our players are allowed to participate in IPL, they hardly will learn anything. Just want that $$$$. Look at PSL, for example, has Md. Hafeez corrected his technique, Kamran Akmal improved his keeping, has Umar Akmal improved his batting , fitness and keeping/fielding. No. They have done nothing to inspire confidence in fans. So how could someone even risk their $$$ on these players. At least, I WONT.

    If players are performing, beating good teams (CONSISTENTLY) , not occasionally. $$$$ will be poured-in in the system automatically. And seriously, it has nothing to do with playing PSL in Dubai or Pakistan.

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    Our players just look at IPL. Inviting in IPL or not, is not our player's business. Its India's league, if they want to invite they can; if they won't , they won't. Why our players beg around everywhere and ask for permission to play in IPL? Simple greed in our players.

    Many of our players are allowed to play in BPL, CPL, BBL, Natwest T20, etc. And how many perform there consistently. Many, can't even make in their eleven. This shows, how reluctantly, other leagues have selected our players. May be because of courtesy that they have given contract to these players. Sad reality, is except for few players, who might catch the eyes of league owners, there are none, who perform.

    How many Bangladeshi players play in IPL, or how many South Africa, Australian, England (main contracted players ) play in IPL. Hardly many? Do they cry or complain in front of media? No , never. Even though they are compensated by their boards, they don't cry everywhere about IPL. And , as I said in my previous post, our players salary is par with the other countries players (except India) given the huge difference in living standard of the countries.

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    So, here is the fact,

    1) many of our contracted players earn in the range of 70000$ - 140000 $ per PSL season.
    2) On an average , player earns : 4800000 PKR per year for PCB contract
    3) They also, get the players salary/fees for playing abroad: They earn 3000 pounds per test match, they play in England, or may be similar, or somewhat less playing in other countries.
    4) Same goes for ODIs/T20
    5) Many players also, play in other leagues such as BPL,BBL, CPL, etc.
    6) + many yearly sponsorship deals, etc.

    So, our players are earning enough, so they could lead an elite life in Pak!!

    PCB can only arrange matches for players to show their talent. But our players do not do the main thing, that is hard work, and perform.

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    It should be - because in India, it (cricket) has so many other competitors (as mass entertainment) while in BD, the sports culture still its not there, neither the domestic players to sell it better and infrastructure. Unlike those two countries, PAK had everything - players, skills, culture, lack of substitutes (for mass entertainment), economy, history, infrastructure, expertise to manage cricket .......

    Why its not and why PCB isnt the 3rd richest cricket board in world is a big question mark for me as well - may be PCBs own people can answer it better. 3/9 indeed was an issue - but thats for last 8/9 years - before that, I know about at least 20 years & PAK was basically a supply source of County/league cricket. In between Sheikh Bukhatiar made top PAK cricketers (& PCB) rich for couple of decades through Sharjah tournaments & CBFS. Otherwise, it would have been like ... ok, ok, I wont feed trolls here for future - use your own imagination.

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    I rue one fact!

    Had spot fixing not happened in England, or crazy Butt not opened his mouth at that time. Our players would have learnt the art of playing in seaming wickets. But we regressed badly, and made expensive Dubai our home( where cricketing conditions are not better than in Pakistan ).

    I still think making Ireland, Scotland home instead of UAE could be good. Their boards will welcome this! And it won't much difference as crowd don't even come to watch matches in Dubai/Sharjah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I know you like to feel that everyone in Pakistan is dirt poor but there are some rich people who are filthy rich in Pakistan and these people are not even on that list and these people can comfortably afford to invest in and buy out a PSL franchise
    There will always be rich people and poor people. But whether that rich person is willing to spend 50-60cr of his hard earned money is another thing.

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    You can give PCB a leeway for the fact that international cricket is not happening in the country for almost a decade, and they have to give out-of-pocket expenses for using facilities in UAE, where they rarely get gate money in the stadiums. But , no crowd show in Dubai/Sharjah/Abu Dhabi is happening for almost 7/8 years. Nothing new. Then why did PCB wasted so much money on using expensive facilities there? They could have opted for Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands, even Zimbabwe , South Africa etc, which are less expensive.

    No board would have denied using facilities for some good $$$$. The way England was made home away from home initially, South Africa would have been a perfect option as well.

    Just that maniac Ijaz Butt ruined every single presence of Pakistan cricket at ICC level. And later chairman's were involved in power tussle and forgot what was the primary goal of PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iniqbal223 View Post
    I rue one fact!

    Had spot fixing not happened in England, or crazy Butt not opened his mouth at that time. Our players would have learnt the art of playing in seaming wickets. But we regressed badly, and made expensive Dubai our home( where cricketing conditions are not better than in Pakistan ).

    I still think making Ireland, Scotland home instead of UAE could be good. Their boards will welcome this! And it won't much difference as crowd don't even come to watch matches in Dubai/Sharjah
    You cant be wrong more than this, trust me. That spot fixing issue was one meeting solution - ECB people are not knobs. Apart from UAE, & UK - there are many other options as well to make PAKs home - BD, SRL are easy solution.... could be SAF, NZ, AUS .... even Canada - the potential is so much that its possible to renovate 2/3 stadiums in GTA area with PCBs commitment for annual al 5 Tests, 6 ODI & few T20s for say 12 years period. And, PAK has the players & market for that as well. PCB itself can save ZCB in this regard.

    Why UAE & specially only UAE is lucrative venue for PCB - I can categorically explain as well, but cant prove, so wont write. Its not a surprise that despite being one of the largest populated country in world with so many positive & negative issues, Chairman PCB is one of the most lucrative non-political post in PAK..... and UAE is the chosen one home base - you can expand your imagination on those clues.

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    Simple, pcb haemorrhaging money by playing in the uae.

    It costs a $100k to use the stadiums for a day.

    This is why the pcb is desperate to play in Pak again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iniqbal223 View Post
    So, here is the fact,

    1) many of our contracted players earn in the range of 70000$ - 140000 $ per PSL season.
    2) On an average , player earns : 4800000 PKR per year for PCB contract
    3) They also, get the players salary/fees for playing abroad: They earn 3000 pounds per test match, they play in England, or may be similar, or somewhat less playing in other countries.
    4) Same goes for ODIs/T20
    5) Many players also, play in other leagues such as BPL,BBL, CPL, etc.
    6) + many yearly sponsorship deals, etc.

    So, our players are earning enough, so they could lead an elite life in Pak!!

    PCB can only arrange matches for players to show their talent. But our players do not do the main thing, that is hard work, and perform.
    How much of this do the players ultimately keep? What is the tax rate in Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    Simple, pcb haemorrhaging money by playing in the uae.

    It costs a $100k to use the stadiums for a day.

    This is why the pcb is desperate to play in Pak again.
    Najam Sethi in an interview said that it costs the PCB Rs 1,000,000 to host a match in Pakistan and to use the stadium for one day with all the security measures. To use the stadium for one day in the UAE it costs the PCB Rs 10,000,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    Simple, pcb haemorrhaging money by playing in the uae.

    It costs a $100k to use the stadiums for a day.

    This is why the pcb is desperate to play in Pak again.
    What about playing in India instead?

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    Does not matter! Not the case that Indian players or anyone else is not paying taxes for their earnings

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    Quote Originally Posted by indipper View Post
    What about playing in India instead?
    Will cost visas delays and perhaps refusal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Najam Sethi in an interview said that it costs the PCB Rs 1,000,000 to host a match in Pakistan and to use the stadium for one day with all the security measures. To use the stadium for one day in the UAE it costs the PCB Rs 10,000,000
    And that is the main reason why PCB has had so many financial issues. We can't blame it on the economy being "weak" for PCB's monetary issues. Yes it is a factor but expenses rise exponentially when the cricketing body along with its setup is present in one country but they have to send their players and coaching staff to a foreign country for long periods of times. If fans would show up then that could potentially cut some costs down of renting the stadiums but that doesn't happen either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Najam Sethi in an interview said that it costs the PCB Rs 1,000,000 to host a match in Pakistan and to use the stadium for one day with all the security measures. To use the stadium for one day in the UAE it costs the PCB Rs 10,000,000
    I don't know how much that is in or $.

    Anyway, moving it back to Pak will also bring in huge gate money (unlike the emptiness here) and sponsors, so the cost of security will be re-compensated from that.

    Overall, it is not feasible to play in UAE with those costs.


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    What about playing in India instead?
    That is a no from both sides, for many reasons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by indipper View Post
    What about playing in India instead?


    Don’t think Indian government will allow that.. BJP is built on an anti Pakistan agenda if they allow Pakistani team to visit and play the news channels like republic will blast them like anything.. Why would BJP take risk? Till 2023 atleast there won’t be any bilateral series between India and Pakistan unless relations are miraculously improved which can only happen if Pakistani army comes in power and talks straight with Indian government..

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    Because you need to play international cricket within your own country to make more money. Not play in UAE and share profits with them.

    Less profits = less money for players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I know you like to feel that everyone in Pakistan is dirt poor but there are some rich people who are filthy rich in Pakistan and these people are not even on that list and these people can comfortably afford to invest in and buy out a PSL franchise
    No one claiming Pakistanis being poor. The valid question was around any sources from Forbes richest or Bloomberg list on Pakistani millionaires/billionaires...who in turn can help pcb/psl
    Last edited by Snak3eye5; 25th February 2018 at 12:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    In Ireland you require far more money to live well than you would in Pakistan as everything here is so expensive. In addition Irish players receive virtually zero sponsorship fees or extra money outside of match fees. Pakistan cricketer's central contract salaries may be low but thats balanced out by the lower cost of living and far far higher levels of outside sponsorship they receive compared to cricketers in probably any other country bar India.

    I reckon Pakistan cricketers arguably live better off than any other country's sides bar India's tbh, just might not be reflected through purely looking at central contract salaries.
    Well said. Good answer to the OP, I guess.

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    I think the answer is self-explanatory.

    Pakistan has the reputation of a terror-stricken country that is amongst the most dangerous places in the world, only slightly better than places like Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine.

    Over the last decade or so, Pakistan cricket has made the headlines for all the wrong reasons - terror attack (SL), match-fixing and ball-tampering have overshadowed our insignificant cricketing achievements over this time period.

    Yes we had a fluke Champions Trophy win and reached the number one ranking in Tests for ten seconds thanks to a washed out Test between India and West Indies, but our overall performance has been nothing but mediocre.

    Furthermore, we do not produce world class cricketers anymore who have global recognition and respect. Most of our players are nobodies whom we like to hype up before they fizzle out.

    Pakistan cricket is pretty much dead and irrelevant, and it is all self-inflicted. Our players still make very good money though, which was the original point of discussion in this thread. They are in the top bracket in terms of earnings, and earn more than enough to maintain a lavish lifestyle in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I think the answer is self-explanatory.

    Pakistan has the reputation of a terror-stricken country that is amongst the most dangerous places in the world, only slightly better than places like Afghanistan, Syria and Palestine.

    Over the last decade or so, Pakistan cricket has made the headlines for all the wrong reasons - terror attack (SL), match-fixing and ball-tampering have overshadowed our insignificant cricketing achievements over this time period.

    Yes we had a fluke Champions Trophy win and reached the number one ranking in Tests for ten seconds thanks to a washed out Test between India and West Indies, but our overall performance has been nothing but mediocre.

    Furthermore, we do not produce world class cricketers anymore who have global recognition and respect. Most of our players are nobodies whom we like to hype up before they fizzle out.

    Pakistan cricket is pretty much dead and irrelevant, and it is all self-inflicted. Our players still make very good money though, which was the original point of discussion in this thread. They are in the top bracket in terms of earnings, and earn more than enough to maintain a lavish lifestyle in Pakistan.
    Pakistan has atleast 50 very lavish businessmen whose personal wealth touches upon $300 million to $1 billion. Terrorism may explain foreign investors being reluctant to come to Pakistan but not Pakistan private sector investors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Pakistan has atleast 50 very lavish businessmen whose personal wealth touches upon $300 million to $1 billion. Terrorism may explain foreign investors being reluctant to come to Pakistan but not Pakistan private sector investors.
    Why should they invest in Pakistan and not abroad? If I had $1 billion, I would be a fool to invest that money in Pakistan, when I can make much more stable and safer investments abroad. These people have made their money in Pakistan but they reinvest that money abroad.

    Terrorism and unstable political situation acts as a deterrent, irrespective of the passport that you are holding.

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    It all depends on how much the average Pakistani is willing to spend on Pakistan cricket. Until all Pakistanis start spending more on Cricket there won't be extra money.

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    Hopefully Ehsan Mani can work on this as PCB Chairman now that the great Khan is the PM of Pakistan.


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