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    Why isn't BCCI following the anti-doping pact of WADA?

    Just read an article that Indian sports is in big trouble if BCCI is not going to follow anti dopping policies of WADA as they have been pending these fo some years now. This can impact India's participation in global sporting events.

    Why are they doing that? Why wont the players be tested for drugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Just read an article that Indian sports is in big trouble if BCCI is not going to follow anti dopping policies of WADA as they have been pending these fo some years now. This can impact India's participation in global sporting events.

    Why are they doing that? Why wont the players be tested for drugs?
    What global sporting events?

    Worldcup? who will stop India from participating?

    Even if cricket goes to Olympics, BCCI arent keen on sending team. Sending team to olympics means allowing sports ministry to dictate terms and thats where BCCI doesnt like. They are top dogs, they dont like taking orders around specially not from incompetent ministry.

    If i recall correctly BCCI are the only cricket boards who have objected WADA since there have been talks of cricket been inducted to olympics.

    Btw is WADA even mandatory rule by ICC for its members?

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    WADA isnt mandatory for ICC members.Since BCCI has shown the WADA scant respect WADA is trying to get to BCCI via the govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    What global sporting events?

    Worldcup? who will stop India from participating?

    Even if cricket goes to Olympics, BCCI arent keen on sending team. Sending team to olympics means allowing sports ministry to dictate terms and thats where BCCI doesnt like. They are top dogs, they dont like taking orders around specially not from incompetent ministry.

    If i recall correctly BCCI are the only cricket boards who have objected WADA since there have been talks of cricket been inducted to olympics.

    Btw is WADA even mandatory rule by ICC for its members?
    ICC and Indian govt can. They have already gone to govt on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    ICC and Indian govt can. They have already gone to govt on this issue.
    None has the power. Supreme court is now a different story.

    ICC will always bow to India

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    WADA isnt mandatory for ICC members.Since BCCI has shown the WADA scant respect WADA is trying to get to BCCI via the govt.
    Will be silly for Indian govt to get involved in sports body. They have far greater issues to address and BCCI should be the least of their concerns.

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    If India does not want to follow WADA, what's the issue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    Will be silly for Indian govt to get involved in sports body. They have far greater issues to address and BCCI should be the least of their concerns.
    Indian govt is always involved with cricket. BCCI can't organise matches on it's own. It needs recognition and support from govt at least for home matches. For other sports too, govt will have solve this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    If India does not want to follow WADA, what's the issue?
    Problem is WADA is trying to pressurize on 2 fronts. ICC - where it's accredition is at stake if it doesn't make BCCI to follow WADA. It's different story whether ICC can do it or not.

    On 2nd front, it has written to Indian govt where they are saying that Indian national doping agency should include all sports including cricket. Losing accredition for national agency could pose problem for other sports in India and it's participation in global non-cricketing events.

    They have writted to sports ministry and matter is already being looked after.

    BCCI's objection is on one clause of WADA where some selected players have to sumbit their location details on daily basis and they can be tested randomly. If a player is not found at their location within 60 mins, they are given strikes. 3 strikes means 2 years ban. BCCI sees this has huge privacy breach for players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    If India does not want to follow WADA, what's the issue?
    WADA's ego.They are one body who have fingers in every sports and authority over every sportsperson.Not getting their way againist one of the richest,most influential sporting bodies in the world and some of the most popular sportspersons is something they cant digest.

    ICC doesnt make WADA compulsory for its members so WADA is trying to pressurise the govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    Problem is WADA is trying to pressurize on 2 fronts. ICC - where it's accredition is at stake if it doesn't make BCCI to follow WADA. It's different story whether ICC can do it or not.

    On 2nd front, it has written to Indian govt where they are saying that Indian national doping agency should include all sports including cricket. Losing accredition for national agency could pose problem for other sports in India and it's participation in global non-cricketing events.

    They have writted to sports ministry and matter is already being looked after.

    BCCI's objection is on one clause of WADA where some selected players have to sumbit their location details on daily basis and they can be tested randomly. If a player is not found at their location within 60 mins, they are given strikes. 3 strikes means 2 years ban. BCCI sees this has huge privacy breach for players.
    Right to Privacy in India is a fundamental right.

    In 2006 BCCI submitted to ICC that they can make any player available within 48hrs if ICC wants to test him.
    Last edited by cricketjoshila; 28th October 2017 at 15:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    If India does not want to follow WADA, what's the issue?
    That they're not following standardised doping procedures used by most countries in the majority of sports worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    That they're not following standardised doping procedures used by most countries in the majority of sports worldwide.
    Which procedure they aren't following apart from that whereabout clause?

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    Good thread. Why won't the BCCI comply? Are they enabling drug cheats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    That they're not following standardised doping procedures used by most countries in the majority of sports worldwide.
    That's mainly because they have something to hide, so that is the biggest issue for them.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by riz45 View Post
    Good thread. Why won't the BCCI comply? Are they enabling drug cheats?
    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    That's mainly because they have something to hide, so that is the biggest issue for them.
    Anti-doping policies are in effect. It's not that there is no anti-doping policy and compliance issue by ICC and BCCI.

    It's issue with WADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    Anti-doping policies are in effect. It's not that there is no anti-doping policy and compliance issue by ICC and BCCI.

    It's issue with WADA.
    But WADA is the most respected anti-doping agency in the world. Association with WADA adds credibility to PED testing. The fact that the BCCI doesn't work with WADA is a huge red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    WADA isnt mandatory for ICC members.Since BCCI has shown the WADA scant respect WADA is trying to get to BCCI via the govt.
    Btw, how is WADA code not mandatory for ICC members? WADA rules are part of ICC code.

    ICC anti-doping code effective from June 2017 says

    ARTICLE 1 SCOPE AND APPLICATION
    1.1 Any player who participates or who has participated in the preceding twenty-four (24) months
    (whether as a member of a starting XI or as an officially designated substitute) in an
    International Match (a “Player”) shall thereby automatically become bound by and shall
    thereafter be required to comply with all of the provisions of the ICC Code.
    and ICC whereabouts rule


    1.3 For the avoidance of doubt, every Player is subject to Out-of-Competition Testing at
    any time or place, irrespective of whether or not he/she is required to provide
    information as to his/her whereabouts when Out-of-Competition. However, to facilitate
    No Advance Notice Out-of-Competition Testing:
    1.3.1 ICC Code Article 5.3.2.1 provides that the ICC shall establish an International
    Registered Testing Pool (referred to hereafter as the ‘IRTP’) of Players who
    have to provide the information about their whereabouts specified in Section
    11 of WADA’s International Standard for Testing; and

    1.3.2 ICC Code Article 5.3.3 provides that the ICC may establish a National Player
    Pool (referred to hereafter as the ‘NPP’) of Players who have to provide, and/or
    whose National Cricket Federations have to provide the whereabouts
    information specified in Article 2 of the ICC Whereabouts Requirements.
    These are requirements in ICC anti-doping code. What's the point of having code when it is not implemented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riz45 View Post
    But WADA is the most respected anti-doping agency in the world. Association with WADA adds credibility to PED testing. The fact that the BCCI doesn't work with WADA is a huge red flag.
    Red Flag for who?You?

    The ICC doesnt think its a red flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    That they're not following standardised doping procedures used by most countries in the majority of sports worldwide.
    BCCI is answerable to ICC and not WADA.Icc can and does test cricketers around the world randomly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    Btw, how is WADA code not mandatory for ICC members? WADA rules are part of ICC code.

    ICC anti-doping code effective from June 2017 says



    and ICC whereabouts rule



    These are requirements in ICC anti-doping code. What's the point of having code when it is not implemented?
    Blame the ICC for being incompetent to enforce the rules on all cricket boards. BCCI is only exercising their rights to object to a rule that they deemed unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    Which procedure they aren't following apart from that whereabout clause?
    Apart from the procedure which accounts for nearly half of sports based drug tests I think that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Apart from the procedure which accounts for nearly half of sports based drug tests I think that's it.
    Do NHL,MLB,NFL or NBA report to WADA?

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    Indian sportsman clearly have something to hide and the BCCI in this instance is protecting their stars


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Red Flag for who?You?

    The ICC doesnt think its a red flag.
    ICC is not a global authority on PED testing. What type of testing does the ICC implement? Is their list of banned substances widely accepted by other organizations? That the BCCI does not comply with WADA is a red flag. If the BCCI genuinely wants to clean up their cricket as far as drug usage, they NEED to work with WADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Do NHL,MLB,NFL or NBA report to WADA?
    They report to USADA - a statutory body specifically created to regulate drug usage in sport. Far more credible than the BCCI and ICC.

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    ^ I don't think they do. UFC is the only league that does USADA testing. USADA is cutting edge extremely strict with its testing and there is no way major leagues like NFL, NBA would risk any dip in the performance of their athletes, no matter the concerns over health and ethics. Most of these leagues do their own testing which is pretty lax, to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riz45 View Post
    They report to USADA - a statutory body specifically created to regulate drug usage in sport. Far more credible than the BCCI and ICC.
    They do not report to USADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riz45 View Post
    ICC is not a global authority on PED testing. What type of testing does the ICC implement? Is their list of banned substances widely accepted by other organizations? That the BCCI does not comply with WADA is a red flag. If the BCCI genuinely wants to clean up their cricket as far 0as drug usage, they NEED to work with WADA.
    ICC is global authority to run cricket.WADA doesnot run cricket.BCCI is only answerable to ICC not WADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honeybadger View Post
    ^ I don't think they do. UFC is the only league that does USADA testing. USADA is cutting edge extremely strict with its testing and there is no way major leagues like NFL, NBA would risk any dip in the performance of their athletes, no matter the concerns over health and ethics. Most of these leagues do their own testing which is pretty lax, to say the least.
    You are indeed correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riz45 View Post
    Good thread. Why won't the BCCI comply? Are they enabling drug cheats?
    Thanks @riz45. Yes exactly. Whats the problem in compying with the basic anti doping rules from WADA which is internationally recognized agency and. which most of the boards in the world are following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    What global sporting events?

    Worldcup? who will stop India from participating?

    Even if cricket goes to Olympics, BCCI arent keen on sending team. Sending team to olympics means allowing sports ministry to dictate terms and thats where BCCI doesnt like. They are top dogs, they dont like taking orders around specially not from incompetent ministry.

    If i recall correctly BCCI are the only cricket boards who have objected WADA since there have been talks of cricket been inducted to olympics.

    Btw is WADA even mandatory rule by ICC for its members?
    No its not just related to the cricketing events but if BCCI doesnt follow the code and govt doesnt pressurize them to do so the WADA will revoke the accreditation of NADA which is the national agency of India and if that happens indian sportsmen and athletes won be able to participate in global events as India wont have any accredited antidoping agency to test their athletes which will be against the code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Thanks @riz45. Yes exactly. Whats the problem in compying with the basic anti doping rules from WADA which is internationally recognized agency and. which most of the boards in the world are following.
    BCCI complies with whatever ICC asks it to.WADA is not a global super agency which can bypass ICC and tell BCCI to submit to WADA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    No its not just related to the cricketing events but if BCCI doesnt follow the code and govt doesnt pressurize them to do so the WADA will revoke the accreditation of NADA which is the national agency of India and if that happens indian sportsmen and athletes won be able to participate in global events as India wont have any accredited antidoping agency to test their athletes which will be against the code.
    These threats wont work. Let WADA take away the accredition of USADA because NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA dont submit to WADA.

    WADA is a political organisation used as a soft power tool to subvert countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    No its not just related to the cricketing events but if BCCI doesnt follow the code and govt doesnt pressurize them to do so the WADA will revoke the accreditation of NADA which is the national agency of India and if that happens indian sportsmen and athletes won be able to participate in global events as India wont have any accredited antidoping agency to test their athletes which will be against the code.
    WADA cant revoke rights of other sports in India. You're just cooking up some stories. WADA is only designed to test athletes not take up sports administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Thanks @riz45. Yes exactly. Whats the problem in compying with the basic anti doping rules from WADA which is internationally recognized agency and. which most of the boards in the world are following.


    http://www.fifa.com/development/news...e-1040455.html

    Seems UEFA and FIFA also do not agree with the whereabouts clauses.

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    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/61697819.cms

    NEW DELHI: World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) looks in no mood to let the Indian cricket board (BCCI) off the hook on the issue of dope testing of Indian cricketers.

    In a fresh development, Wada has plainly rejected BCCI's contention that India's anti-doping body (Nada) has no jurisdiction to conduct dope tests on cricketers since the board is not a national sports federation (NSF) and its present anti-doping system - aligned with the world body, ICC - is robust enough.

    Wada, in an email response sent to TOI on Thursday, has categorically stated that Nada indeed has the "testing authority" over the country's athletes, including cricketers. "Pursuant to the World Anti-Doping Code, Nada India has testing authority over athletes who are nationals, residents, licence-holders or members of sport organisations in India or who are present in India," Maggie Durand, coordinator, Wada's media relations and communications, said.

    Wada's reply is self-explanatory, since all Indian cricketers are citizens of this country and they are the members (contracted) of the BCCI, which is a registered sports body under the Tamil Nadu Societies Registration Act. Wada's response also rejects another of BCCI's argument that it's an autonomous body affiliated to the ICC and is only required to operate within the rules and regulations of the world body.

    However, Wada's latest communication indicates that it's not buying into the BCCI's argument. "BCCI has prevented Nada India from conducting testing on athletes from the sport of cricket. Wada is currently addressing this issue with the relevant Anti-Doping Organisations within its Compliance Monitoring Program," Durand says in the email.

    Wada's reply came in response to TOI's specific queries regarding BCCI's recent communication to the sports ministry, Wada and Nada, where the board contended that it sends all its sample to the same Wada-accredited laboratory - NDTL (National Dope-Testing Laboratory) - as Nada, but through a private collection agency 'International Dope Testing and Management' (IDTM), which is engaged by ICC.

    However, it is learnt that the sports ministry has written to Wada on the issue. "The ministry plans to build more pressure on BCCI through Wada, bringing ICC into picture. The matter needs to be resolved between Wada and ICC," the source added.


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    Clearly there's something fishy going on. Why can't these players be tested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/61697819.cms

    NEW DELHI: World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) looks in no mood to let the Indian cricket board (BCCI) off the hook on the issue of dope testing of Indian cricketers.

    In a fresh development, Wada has plainly rejected BCCI's contention that India's anti-doping body (Nada) has no jurisdiction to conduct dope tests on cricketers since the board is not a national sports federation (NSF) and its present anti-doping system - aligned with the world body, ICC - is robust enough.

    Wada, in an email response sent to TOI on Thursday, has categorically stated that Nada indeed has the "testing authority" over the country's athletes, including cricketers. "Pursuant to the World Anti-Doping Code, Nada India has testing authority over athletes who are nationals, residents, licence-holders or members of sport organisations in India or who are present in India," Maggie Durand, coordinator, Wada's media relations and communications, said.

    Wada's reply is self-explanatory, since all Indian cricketers are citizens of this country and they are the members (contracted) of the BCCI, which is a registered sports body under the Tamil Nadu Societies Registration Act. Wada's response also rejects another of BCCI's argument that it's an autonomous body affiliated to the ICC and is only required to operate within the rules and regulations of the world body.

    However, Wada's latest communication indicates that it's not buying into the BCCI's argument. "BCCI has prevented Nada India from conducting testing on athletes from the sport of cricket. Wada is currently addressing this issue with the relevant Anti-Doping Organisations within its Compliance Monitoring Program," Durand says in the email.

    Wada's reply came in response to TOI's specific queries regarding BCCI's recent communication to the sports ministry, Wada and Nada, where the board contended that it sends all its sample to the same Wada-accredited laboratory - NDTL (National Dope-Testing Laboratory) - as Nada, but through a private collection agency 'International Dope Testing and Management' (IDTM), which is engaged by ICC.

    However, it is learnt that the sports ministry has written to Wada on the issue. "The ministry plans to build more pressure on BCCI through Wada, bringing ICC into picture. The matter needs to be resolved between Wada and ICC," the source added.
    Only ICC can ask the BCCI as BCCI is a ICC member.WADA doesnt have the jurisdiction.

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    Claiming that the players were not at fault for failing to update their whereabouts, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), in a letter to the National Anti-Doping Agency (NADA), has instead argued that there were technical issues because of which the information could not be shared.

    Five cricketers – Cheteshwar Pujara, Ravindra Jadeja, KL Rahul, Smriti Mandhana and Deepti Sharma – are staring at a first ‘whereabouts failure’ as per the international dope testing protocol. Three such strikes and an athlete could be suspended for up to two years for violating rules, as per the World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines.

    NADA director general Navin Agarwal said they are examining the cricket board’s explanation and will determine if it is satisfactory in the coming days. “The BCCI has claimed they had a problem with the password. If we find their response is genuine, this won’t be considered as a filing failure,” Agarwal said.

    The five cricketers are among the 110 Indian athletes in NADA’s Registered Testing Pool (RTP). Players are included in the RTP based on the priority of the anti-doping agency to test them. According to WADA, if three or more samples are to be collected from an athlete out of competition, they are to be placed under the RTP.

    The players included in the RTP are required to provide their whereabouts for the entire year (on a quarterly basis), ‘including a daily one-hour time slot when they can be located for testing, as well as information such as training and competition locations and times, according to WADA. This information has to be logged into a global anti-doping database that WADA operates called ADAMS (Anti-Doping Administration and Management System).

    Cricketers do not update their whereabouts directly into this system. Instead, they provide the necessary information to BCCI’s anti-doping officer Abhijit Salvi, who then feeds it into ADAMS. This information helps NADA plan its testing programme. According to Agarwal, it is not unusual for a federation to file whereabouts details on behalf of the players.

    Apart from the five cricketers, 36 other athletes have failed to update their whereabouts. “There was a lockdown so some of the athletes may have thought since there was no testing, there was no need to file whereabouts,” Agarwal said. “Now we were about to recommence testing so when we looked at our database, we found out that quite a few athletes had not provided their whereabouts.”

    Agarwal said it is crucial for NADA to know an athlete’s everyday location so they can conduct surprise dope tests. Out-of-competition tests are considered to be the bedrock of anti-doping programme.

    The BCCI came under NADA’s jurisdiction less than a year ago. Before that, they had their own anti-doping programme in which out-of-competition tests were very few. According to Salvi, of the approximate 250 samples they collected every year, only 30 per cent were out-of-competition.

    If an athlete does not provide whereabouts details, or if the information provided is incomplete, it may constitute a filing failure. “In that case, we issue a notice to the athlete. If three notices are sent in 12 months, it is considered that the athlete is deliberately avoiding a test, which constitutes an anti-doping rule violation and may lead to a two-year suspension,” Agarwal said. “We will now examine if this is a genuine problem faced by the cricketers or a first filing failure.”

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