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    [PICTURE] India's atrocities continues in Kashmir

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    Picture does not look real to me.

    Where is it taken? Name the News Portal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Picture does not look real to me.

    Where is it taken? Name the News Portal.
    Picture may not be true , but doctrine is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    Picture may not be true , but doctrine is true.
    They are terrorists and that is how Army deals with them.

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    A picture can be deceptive to be honest. Had this been Baluchistan we'd be saying the terrorist got what he deserved. We don't know the whole story or even who that man on the ground is. He could be a Hindu as well!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Yes the Indian army and Hindutva extermists posing must be telling the real story.

    It could be some college kid who didn't want to be tortured fighting back and was then murdered.

    Indian army are the real terrorists.


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    Even if he was a militant, descrating a body is a war crime under the geneva convention.


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    Terrorists are dealt with even more cruelty by some nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Picture does not look real to me.

    Where is it taken? Name the News Portal.
    Doing the rounds on social media.




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    The reasoning is simple terrorist bodies are booby trapped. ALL these harping about Geneva conventions, should understand that your so called soldiers of terror freedom dont give one hoot booby trapping the body of their slain comrade if it means to kill a few indian soldiers.

    Its a precautionary measure. You want decency and rules of engagement then behave like men or you will be put down like a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderwoman View Post
    The reasoning is simple terrorist bodies are booby trapped. ALL these harping about Geneva conventions, should understand that your so called soldiers of terror freedom dont give one hoot booby trapping the body of their slain comrade if it means to kill a few indian soldiers.

    Its a precautionary measure. You want decency and rules of engagement then behave like men or you will be put down like a dog.
    This really makes me sad to see how low some of the jingoistic Indians can stoop. This what you are referring to here is the tweet from one of your brave majors who has his hands stained with the blood of Kashmiris. This booby trap or whatever rubbish your major is taking about has no precedence in Kashmir. It has never happened in Kashmir. Stop glorifying war crimes if u hv even an iota of a humatity in you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderwoman View Post
    The reasoning is simple terrorist bodies are booby trapped. ALL these harping about Geneva conventions, should understand that your so called soldiers of terror freedom dont give one hoot booby trapping the body of their slain comrade if it means to kill a few indian soldiers.

    Its a precautionary measure. You want decency and rules of engagement then behave like men or you will be put down like a dog.
    What a pathetic post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    What a pathetic post.
    What's pathetic is Pakistan dumping thousands of bullet riddled bodies of journalists and activists in Balochistan, worry about that.

    Like Wonderwoman said above, these terrorists will be put down like dogs, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    What's pathetic is Pakistan dumping thousands of bullet riddled bodies of journalists and activists in Balochistan, worry about that.

    Like Wonderwoman said above, these terrorists will be put down like dogs, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
    and where do you draw the line?
    How many innocent people get caught up in this?

    A high handed, ruthless approach only sows the seeds for the next generation of Terrorists/freedom fighters (call them what you like) ...

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    If people can’t see the futility in this approach then there is little hope for humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    and where do you draw the line?
    How many innocent people get caught up in this?

    A high handed, ruthless approach only sows the seeds for the next generation of Terrorists/freedom fighters (call them what you like) ...
    Not without outside support. Jaish-e-Muhammad is headquartered in Pakistan. Arming and training religiously brainwashed Kashmiris and using them as a weapon against India has been long-standing strategy for them. It was Jaish-e-Muhammad network that played a key role in driving out all the Hindus from valley, and they are the ones fueling unrest since 2015.

    Don't forget that India recognizes separatist parties and their stance. But any militant activity will only invite this ruthless approach.
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    Just the tip of the iceberg, these are the numbers from their own authorities :

    India revises Kashmir death toll to 47,000


    SRINAGAR, India (Reuters) - Indian authorities revised up on Friday the death toll from nearly two decades of insurgency in Kashmir to more than 47,000 people.

    The figure does not include people who disappeared as a result of the conflict. A human rights group puts the number of missing Kashmiris at 10,000, although authorities say many of them may have vanished to join the insurgency.

    S.S. Kapur, Kashmir’s chief secretary or senior most bureaucrat, said more than 20,000 civilians and 7,000 police personnel had been killed.

    “Administrative action by the state police and security forces has also seen neutralisation of 20,000 terrorists in the state,” he added in a statement.

    Previously, officials had put the death toll at more than 43,000.

    Kashmir’s main separatist group, the All Parties Hurriyat (Freedom) Conference, says more than 100,000 people have died since the insurgency broke out in 1989.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Thankfully there was no social media when our fauji jawaan were busy raping Bengali women in East Pakistan.
    It happened nearly half-a-century ago (in three years time in fact), those who committed crimes against Muslims there are probably rotting in hell, but why are you so unable to condemn the Hindus ? Do you expect help from Shiva or Krishna at Yawm al-Qiyamah ?

    Btw I think you should read Sarmila Bose's "Dead Reckoning" for a more nuanced perception of 1971 as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    What's pathetic is Pakistan dumping thousands of bullet riddled bodies of journalists and activists in Balochistan, worry about that.

    Like Wonderwoman said above, these terrorists will be put down like dogs, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
    The Balochistan issue is more comparable to how Hindus dealt with Sikhs in the 80s/90s, there's not 1/6 of Pak army stationed in Balochistan enforcing patriotism in a disputed territory through repetitive large-scale operations, raids and rapes :

    India condemned over Sikh 'missing thousands'

    The families of thousands of civilians "disappeared" during the Indian government's violent suppression of a campaign for a Sikh homeland more than a decade ago are still waiting for perpetrators of the crimes to be brought to justice, human rights monitors have warned.

    In a new report entitled Protecting the Killers, Human Rights Watch says the Indian government needs to "hold accountable members of its security forces who killed and tortured thousands of Sikhs" during counter-insurgency operations in Punjab that ended only in 1995.

    By then the unrest, sparked by a call for Khalistan, or a Sikh nation, had lasted more than 10 years. Democracy was suspended as the Indian army occupied the state.

    The security forces eventually crushed the Khalistani movement by adopting a "bullet-for-bullet" policy of extra-judicial killings in which more than 40,000 people died. The embers of resentment have not completely burned out: a bomb blast on Sunday in Punjab, which killed seven, was blamed on Sikh separatist groups.

    One of the key cases highlighted by Human Rights Watch is that of the mass cremation of 2,097 bodies in Amritsar, the Sikh holy city. The country's human rights commission, civil rights groups say, has for more than a decade failed to investigate a single case of the "mass crematorium" and explicitly refuses to identify any responsible officials.
    (...)
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20....randeepramesh

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    This behaviour is not new. Indian savage uncivilised army has been doing this since many decades. Only with the advent of cell phones these pics are coming out now.

    However, If this is how you treat the dead belonging to your opposite side, you are giving them a nice reason to act in a similar manner. Like beheading your armymen at the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Not without outside support. Jaish-e-Muhammad is headquartered in Pakistan. Arming and training religiously brainwashed Kashmiris and using them as a weapon against India has been long-standing strategy for them. It was Jaish-e-Muhammad network that played a key role in driving out all the Hindus from valley, and they are the ones fueling unrest since 2015.

    Don't forget that India recognizes separatist parties and their stance. But any militant activity will only invite this ruthless approach.
    India recognises separatist and at the same time keeps them confined within the 4 walls of their houses for years..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Against Jihadi militant group that doesn't mind suicide attacks? They are more than welcome to do it.

    Still better than an army dumping unarmed civilian/journalist bodies only to be recovered months later. If I am not wrong, you salute those animals, don't you?
    Ever heard of unidentified graves in Kashmir..

    Why has India not allowed even a single human rights activists commission of UN to ever visit Kashmir to take the stock of the situation , if India hasn't committed any war crimes in Kashmir, what's there to hide..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    India recognises separatist and at the same time keeps them confined within the 4 walls of their houses for years..
    Hurriyat has always been allowed a political voice and they are were always allowed dialogue with visiting Pakistani delegations in New Delhi.

    Support to militants in the last 1 year has led to the privilege being revoked. Given an alarming rise in terrorist activities in this period, the action is justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Hurriyat has always been allowed a political voice and they are were always allowed dialogue with visiting Pakistani delegations in New Delhi.

    Support to militants in the last 1 year has led to the privilege being revoked. Given an alarming rise in terrorist activities in this period, the action is justified.
    Really. Do you even know for how long Syed Ali Shah Geelani has been kept under house arrest even being deprived of basic health facilities??

    Who are you trying to fool here??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    Really. Do you even know for how long Syed Ali Shah Geelani has been kept under house arrest even being deprived of basic health facilities??

    Who are you trying to fool here??
    And why did that happen? A man that has for many years consistently supported militancy over democratic process is a threat, and kudos to Indian system for keeping him under house arrest. Similar offense in some of India's neighboring countries would lead to a sudden disappearance and you would never see him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    Ever heard of unidentified graves in Kashmir..

    Why has India not allowed even a single human rights activists commission of UN to ever visit Kashmir to take the stock of the situation , if India hasn't committed any war crimes in Kashmir, what's there to hide..??
    The UN proposal came in 2016, and the visit was denied not just by India, but also Pakistan. What was there to hide?

    Now after 2 years, Pakistan are open to the idea, so clearly the clean-up has finished. India on the other hand has seen the worst conflict in this period, hence there is no question of allowing a UN visit. Any such visit would encourage militants to take things up a notch, and that cannot be allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    The UN proposal came in 2016, and the visit was denied not just by India, but also Pakistan. What was there to hide?

    Now after 2 years, Pakistan are open to the idea, so clearly the clean-up has finished. India on the other hand has seen the worst conflict in this period, hence there is no question of allowing a UN visit. Any such visit would encourage militants to take things up a notch, and that cannot be allowed.
    What a nice excuse for the so called largest democracy in the world..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    What a nice excuse for the so called largest democracy in the world..
    What was the excuse for the 200 million strong neighboring democracy?

    Rising militancy leads to rising clashes, and that leads to a higher number of human rights issues. Pakistan didn't sanction UN team visit to Balochistan in 2000s, Pakistan denied UN team visit to occupied Kashmir in 2016, and India are doing the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    What was the excuse for the 200 million strong neighboring democracy?

    Rising militancy leads to rising clashes, and that leads to a higher number of human rights issues. Pakistan didn't sanction UN team visit to Balochistan in 2000s, Pakistan denied UN team visit to occupied Kashmir in 2016, and India are doing the same.
    But India claims that Pakistan is no party to Kashmir issue so drag Pakistan into this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    But India claims that Pakistan is no party to Kashmir issue so drag Pakistan into this??
    Because the UN requested inquiry in both India and Pakistan occupied Kashmir?

    If you think of it, this thread is actually a perfect example of Pakistan's Kashmir policy.

    Train militants, send them across border, get pictures of their dead bodies, and shed some tears at the annual UN meeting.

    The cycle repeats itself, and sadly it is hurting a lot of innocent people.

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    Terrorists will be dealt with full force.Thats how they are dealt with all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    But India claims that Pakistan is no party to Kashmir issue so drag Pakistan into this??
    So why does Pakistan need to fund arm and train the terrorists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Terrorists will be dealt with full force.Thats how they are dealt with all over the world.


    The Geneva Convention, to which India is a signatory, says that states taking part in a conflict must not only provide medical care to the wounded but also “search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled”. The convention requires repatriation of the bodies to their families.


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    Despite the fact that India is ignoring world conventions quite blatantly, it is useless Pakistanis pointing it out, Indian posters on here are entrenched in defence of their country so not worth engaging.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Despite the fact that India is ignoring world conventions quite blatantly, it is useless Pakistanis pointing it out, Indian posters on here are entrenched in defence of their country so not worth engaging.
    This entire thread is sick.
    First the picture in the opening thread and now the Indian chest thumping posters defending it..

    I’m honestly lost for words. I hope the few posters here are not reflective of the general Indian population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    This entire thread is sick.
    First the picture in the opening thread and now the Indian chest thumping posters defending it..

    I’m honestly lost for words. I hope the few posters here are not reflective of the general Indian population.
    It's only a few on here so far, they are quite vocal and posting repeatedly - along with the usual cheerleader from Pakistan who is deflecting furiously as usual. I find it so distasteful I have decided not to engage any of the chest thumpers on this thread, let them bleat and honk their rubbish, it will be seen for what it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The Geneva Convention, to which India is a signatory, says that states taking part in a conflict must not only provide medical care to the wounded but also “search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled”. The convention requires repatriation of the bodies to their families.
    Terrorist organisations are states? Or are Terrorists soldiers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    This entire thread is sick.
    First the picture in the opening thread and now the Indian chest thumping posters defending it..

    I’m honestly lost for words. I hope the few posters here are not reflective of the general Indian population.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    It's only a few on here so far, they are quite vocal and posting repeatedly - along with the usual cheerleader from Pakistan who is deflecting furiously as usual. I find it so distasteful I have decided not to engage any of the chest thumpers on this thread, let them bleat and honk their rubbish, it will be seen for what it is.
    The general Indian population actually holds more extreme Hindu nationalist views, if you bother following India's social dynamics instead of Bollywood's upper middle class Punjabi/Pashtun microcosm and its cultural liberalism or even interactions with some Punjabis-Sikhs NRIs, here on PP it's still somehow toned down because of the mods, like before they were "nicer" under the British/Mughals.

    See Nirad Chaudhuri's "The Continent of Circe", where he details all of this, on how Hindus have always been a violent people but just couldn't express such natural urges towards active nihilism for some 1000 odd years because of enforced foreign tutelage. Even Gandhi basically based his "peaceful" ideas on Western imports (the triple T : Thoreau, Tolstoy & Theosophy).

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    Unbelievable, some shameful Indians trying to justify desecration of a dead body.

    As far his death is concerned it is a tragic outcome. If he was actually a freedom fighter he knew that this might be the end one day. And his death, at the hands of occupying Indian forces, although very unfortunate, can be justified by the Indian army that he picked up arms to fight them. The young man himself must have imagined that during his struggle.

    On the other hand, desecration of a dead body is condemnable and shameful. There is no justification for that. If you are giving Kashmiris a message that they be loyal to Indian oppressors then you are only increasing their rage against India by showing them how disrespectful and vengeful Indians are towards Kashmiris.

    The manner in which few Indians always show up in defense of such barbarity is cringe worthy. Be it pellet guns victims, using a Kashmir as a shield on army vehicle and much more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    The general Indian population actually holds more extreme Hindu nationalist views, if you bother following India's social dynamics instead of Bollywood's upper middle class Punjabi/Pashtun microcosm and its cultural liberalism or even interactions with some Punjabis-Sikhs NRIs, here on PP it's still somehow toned down because of the mods, like before they were "nicer" under the British/Mughals.

    See Nirad Chaudhuri's "The Continent of Circe", where he details all of this, on how Hindus have always been a violent people but just couldn't express such natural urges towards active nihilism for some 1000 odd years because of enforced foreign tutelage. Even Gandhi basically based his "peaceful" ideas on Western imports (the triple T : Thoreau, Tolstoy & Theosophy).
    It is quite noticeable how we see such violent images when they are in the majority and able to cow their victims through sheer velocity of numbers, and yet when they are abroad, they are the most docile and peaceful of all minority groups. At least in public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    They are terrorists and that is how Army deals with them.
    It depends how you define terrorists .

    According to British Bhagat Singh , Subhash Chander etc were also Terrorists.

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    I guess this person was a non Kashmiri militant. Otherwise Indian forces would have been more careful. Regardless this is not a way to treat a dead person. Should have other facilities to check booby traps.


    People who support death penalty for blasphemy and gays shouldn't complain about it though. It's very hypocritical.

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    Not surprised as this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There is much much worse going on in Kashmir that can’t be photographed by an iphone.

    The people in this thread that defend this would defend the rape of girls in Kashmir like the one that was covered by the BJP and Indian media a few months ago.

    It was the New York Times that exposed that story to the world first and only then we saw some fake outrage in India because they got shamed in front of the world.

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    Barbaric act by Indian army, no wonder after 70 years Kashmiris are still fighting for Independence.

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    You still can be a patriotic Indian and condemn this barbaric act, shame on those who are justifying it by using the T word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The Geneva Convention, to which India is a signatory, says that states taking part in a conflict must not only provide medical care to the wounded but also “search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled”. The convention requires repatriation of the bodies to their families.
    Unfortunately, we are dealing with a neighbor who refuse to take the bodies of their own soldiers. Refer kargil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    You still can be a patriotic Indian and condemn this barbaric act, shame on those who are justifying it by using the T word.
    Not at all. Just treatment for terrorists (unfortunately abetted and nurtured by an Islamist, military Pakistani government) by the Indian Army.

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    For those bleating about human rights and and quoting Geneva Convention, remember: It doesn't apply to jihadi terrorists.

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    Frankly speaking, I dont think its a barbaric act. He was just dragging the body to ambulance. And maybe stretchers would not be there. Also they dont respect them so its quite understandable. It would be barbaric if he had mutilated the body.

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    But but India always care about Human Rights Violation policy, even for beloved neighbors


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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    If people can’t see the futility in this approach then there is little hope for humanity.
    Terrorists have no humanity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderwoman View Post
    Terrorists have no humanity!
    You mean Indian army??

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Unfortunately, we are dealing with a neighbor who refuse to take the bodies of their own soldiers. Refer kargil.
    You can (predictably) shift the blame onto some other party but ultimately no one else can take responsibility for your own standards. If this is what you believe in you would be better off just saying so rather than dancing around looking for ways to deflect. Ultimately what you are saying is you believe in the Islamic principle of an eye for an eye rather than the Gandhi way of non-violence. I can respect that.


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    I came across some videos on yt where Indian army is beating the hell out of people in Kashmir and forcing them to say j h*nd and Pakistan *****bad, while cursing them. You can't defend these inhuman acts. If people have done wrong there is a proper way to punish them, there is no reason to act like barbaric demons- i guess there is no acting at that point they pretty much are. Of course this applies to all and not just these brain-dead people.

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    That's not a terrorist you blind Indian you guys are the terrorist keep kissing USA and Israel butt it's what your good at . Poor college student who was dealt like this shame on you Indian and your coward army

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    I came across some videos on yt where Indian army is beating the hell out of people in Kashmir and forcing them to say j h*nd and Pakistan *****bad, while cursing them. You can't defend these inhuman acts. If people have done wrong there is a proper way to punish them, there is no reason to act like barbaric demons- i guess there is no acting at that point they pretty much are. Of course this applies to all and not just these brain-dead people.
    These things need to be shown to the western world so they can see who the real terrorist I have shown some people here in Canada and their very dissappointed with India, their like wow we thought it was a peaceful country

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    These things need to be shown to the western world so they can see who the real terrorist I have shown some people here in Canada and their very dissappointed with India, their like wow we thought it was a peaceful country
    Awww Thats cute, now lets get to reality: No body gives a damn, no one listen to Pakistanis.. If you love Kashmiri's so much stop using them as pawns, stop sending terrorists across so Indian army would not need to be there, result = Peace in Kashmir..



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    NO Pakistan is not getting Indian Kashmir, stop wasting your lives away...


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