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    Khaleel Ahmed vs Shaheen Shah Afridi

    Excellent prospects at our hands. Who's going to become the next Wasim and, who Sran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Excellent prospects at our hands. Who's going to become the next Wasim and, who Sran?
    Khaleel Sran
    Shenshah Akram

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    Khaleel's better.

    But.. the question is, in the long runn, will he remain good or rather improve to become world class?

    Difference in bowling culture here..

    But right now, Khaleel >> Afridi.

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    Shaheen shah has played against Australia while Khaleel against Hong Kong . Australia is slightly better than HK so advantage to Shaheen Shah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Khaleel's better.

    But.. the question is, in the long runn, will he remain good or rather improve to become world class?

    Difference in bowling culture here..

    But right now, Khaleel >> Afridi.
    My junior Hawkey has said it all.

    Shaheen probably is already better but will certainly end up improving way more

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    Khaleel's action is impressive but Shaheen is better atm as he has more skill.

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    Khaleel is too frail at the moment. He needs to add a bit more muscle. Looks like a taller version of Venkatapathy Raju.

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    Must say Khaleel has a very smooth action

    Just like how India played him vs. HK..Pakistan should have played SSA vs. HK as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Excellent prospects at our hands. Who's going to become the next Wasim and, who Sran?
    Seriously, is this even an comparison

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    Superb debut for Khaleel even though it was only against HK. He proved that he belongs to this level.

    Hopefully Khaleel will end Shardul's career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Hopefully Khaleel will end Shardul's career.
    Don't think Thakur needs any help with that. He has managed to end his career vs HK. You can't top that.

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    Afridi is a better prospect and seems to be more pacier than Khaleel. Anyway too early to call.

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    Can we just wait until they have at least played 10 games each?


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    Both are exciting prospects for the future. Very young, energetic passionate.

    Both seem inspired by Starc. Both have shades of Starc in their bowling.


    Khaleel is a very good find for India. Zaheer and Nehra were the last left arm young pacers who could hit these speeds. Khaleel would do good if he avoids major injuries and sustains his pace over the years.


    Good find.



    Shaheen is progressing well. Needs to work on his swing more. Talented lad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Khaleel is too frail at the moment. He needs to add a bit more muscle. Looks like a taller version of Venkatapathy Raju.
    Lol at Raju. He looks like a mixture of young srinath and raju.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Lol at Raju. He looks like a mixture of young srinath and raju.
    Khaleel is not a vegetarian like Mr. Muscles He is leaner but looks to have good strength. Was bowling 130 in 2016, now touched 145, even bowled a few 140+ in his last spell

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    Both exciting prospects with the world of cricket at their feet.

    I hope both stay fit and represent their respective countries for many years to come.



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    Now waiting for Siraj to make his debut vs WI next month. More skilful than Khaleel but bowls Test match length. Not suited for T20s.

    Hopefully Avesh Khan gets inspired from Khaleel’s debut. Needs to get fitter and he will be another exciting prospect for us.

    Pity that Kamlesh Nagerkoti has been injured for long. Getting a back surgery done in London,so will miss the entire domestic season

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Khaleel is too frail at the moment. He needs to add a bit more muscle. Looks like a taller version of Venkatapathy Raju.
    What is it with Desis and this 'muscle'? Look at Bumrah who is no hunk but still clocks close to 90 mph on the fifth day of his third straight Test match.Even Brett Lee was not built like He-man. Steph Curry is scrawny compared to the beasts in NBA but still one of the best and that too in a contact sport.
    Khaleel upped his pace under the strength training from Sidharth Basu and this could be his body type.

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    Both are very young in their careers. Will wait till they play at least 10-15 games to pass judgement.

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    They cannot be compared as Shaheen has played just a handful of T20Is and Khaleel just debuted yesterday.

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    How tall is khaleel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    How tall is khaleel?
    6'1" according to Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Can we just wait until they have at least played 10 games each?
    This. It's way too early. Any judgement now is nothing but baseless speculation. Both are good talents. Let's see how they develop after a season or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Khaleel is not a vegetarian like Mr. Muscles He is leaner but looks to have good strength. Was bowling 130 in 2016, now touched 145, even bowled a few 140+ in his last spell
    He was bowling in 130s yesterday as well..

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    Too early to say anything about Khaleel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    6'1" according to Google.
    Shaheen certainly has the advantage of height then, but overall still too early to call who will be more successful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    He was bowling in 130s yesterday as well..
    Bowled plenty of deliveries over 140, has got the fastest ball of the tournament so far at 145 kmph

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    Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

    Khaleel on the other hand...

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    Hope Shaheen debuts and takes the new ball.

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    Both are exciting prospects, but I see Shaheen coming out on top in the long run. Shaheen has his height on his side, and Pakistan have a fast bowling culture that grooms good fast bowlers. Indian fast bowlers have the tendancy to lose their way the same way our batsmen lose their way.


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    Strange to see no speed guns in Abu Dhabi today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

    Khaleel on the other hand...
    Khalil is also about 6'1.5" and has more pace then Shahin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Shaheen has everything - build, height, pace and skill. Not to forget, he is a marketer's dream due to his looks. Once he establishes himself in the team, he might end up as the highest earning cricketer from advertisements.

    Khaleel on the other hand...
    Khaleel is already at half a million dollars IPL salary, expect that to go up to a million dollars soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Khaleel is already at half a million dollars IPL salary, expect that to go up to a million dollars soon
    I was talking about "advertisements".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    Khalil is also about 6'1.5" and has more pace then Shahin
    How has he more pace than Shaheen? He was bowling at similar pace to Shaheen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Khaleel is not a vegetarian like Mr. Muscles He is leaner but looks to have good strength. Was bowling 130 in 2016, now touched 145, even bowled a few 140+ in his last spell
    Who said Venkatapathy Raju is a Veggie? He is not.

    Some are just scrawny and they need to work out a bit to build muscle. Not too much bulk. He will hopefully thrive in BCCI system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I was talking about "advertisements".
    Kohli makes close to 20mn from Ads.Highest for a cricketer.No non Indian is within miles of that figure.
    Last edited by cricketjoshila; 21st September 2018 at 21:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Kohli makes close to 20mn from Ads.Highest for a cricketer.No non Indian is within miles of that figure.
    Yar bhai, i was talking about relative to Pakistan of course. Why are you guys so insecure?

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    Brilliant bowling from Shaheen, sad I couldn't watch his full quota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Yar bhai, i was talking about relative to Pakistan of course. Why are you guys so insecure?
    Because you were talking about how pretty your new fast bowler looks. So freaking weird of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Because you were talking about how pretty your new fast bowler looks. So freaking weird of you.
    To be honest the guy is going to be very famous in pak in near future.

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    ATM shaheen looks the better But khalil has potential,realy like him,smooth action,pace and height what else you need,

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Because you were talking about how pretty your new fast bowler looks. So freaking weird of you.
    Its not weird buddy, i am not insecure about my sexuality thus i have no issues praising someone for their good looks. I spoke from a marketer perspective, he is good looking and that means he is going to be the most favored cricketer for TV ads in Pakistan.

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    Shaheen looks miles ahead currently. How they both develop themselves only time 'll tell.

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    Both are new and hence not enough sample data to evaluate.I expect Khaleel to progress much as India's current fast bowling ecosystem is pretty good with trainers like Sidharth Basu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Its not weird buddy, i am not insecure about my sexuality thus i have no issues praising someone for their good looks. I spoke from a marketer perspective, he is good looking and that means he is going to be the most favored cricketer for TV ads in Pakistan.
    don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.
    Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

    His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

    And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao

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    People comparing looks
    What’s next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

    His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

    And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao
    As people say , beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example,I don't see anything special in the looks of Afridi other than his fair complexion.But then every white guy in the world should be good looking going by that logic.

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    People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

    Anyway.

    It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

    Anyway.

    It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
    Didn't he bowl 145 K in U19 WC? may be didn't want to go full throttle in this heat.Even Khaleel hit 145K only during his last spell after he got confident.
    Last edited by Dingolfy; 22nd September 2018 at 09:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

    Anyway.

    It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
    The speedgun was functional for the odd delivery here and there. Shaheen was mainly in the mid 130s, but I remember one or two deliveries hitting 140kph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    As people say , beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example,I don't see anything special in the looks of Afridi other than his fair complexion.But then every white guy in the world should be good looking going by that logic.
    You think afridi is considered good looking just because of his fair complextion? Not that it matters.

    On topic, Shaheen is miles ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    Just googled Shaheen Afridi (was curious of the name Afridi). He is far from good looking. lol.

    At the moment Khaleel is ahead as he is a proven cricketer who helped India win under-19 World cup. And also he consistently bowls 145+ clicks.
    We lost 2016 U19 Final to West Indies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    People discussing their looks should be ashamed.

    Anyway.

    It looked as if Shaheen is a lot more slower in pace department. But yesterday we did not have speed cameras so can't say for sure.
    What are you on about? Speed cameras were there and Shaheen was bowling around 140 KPH. There is proof in the match thread.

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    I dont see where the Indian fans are coming from when they say Khaleel hits 145 KPH constantly. I saw the match against HK and he was barely hitting 140 KPH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    What are you on about? Speed cameras were there and Shaheen was bowling around 140 KPH. There is proof in the match thread.
    He was bolwing between 133 and 138 mostly.

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    Both are good , khaleel ahmed has a better control at the moment. If afridi could bowl with someone from whom he can learn , he could have been very very good but I dont think he can improve his skills under current bowling coach and the senior bowlers.


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    Both are exciting prospects.I want both to do good for their teams.Khaleel can move the ball both ways I guess.Shaheen can do it too.I have seen him doing it PSL.

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    Haven't seen Khaleel bowl yet but have heard good things about him. But have followed Shaheen's career since his FC debut and I can tell he is the real deal. Plus the coaching setup of Pakistan's team is better than Indian counterpart arguably(Ravi Shastri, Sanjay bangar bharat arun against Mickey Arthur, Grant Flower and Azhar Mahmood), I feel Shaheen will improve quicker. Seeing Shaheen bowl til now, he has looked threatening and knows how how to create chances or err the batter.

    I certainly hope neither face injury issues.

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    The biggest plus I noticed, Shaheen possesses strong nerves and is a very confident young man, that's one thing which makes all the difference between a good bowler and a match winner in big matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    He was bolwing between 133 and 138 mostly.
    Around 140 KPH, it was. Similar to Khaleel. However, dont know why indian posters are stuck on pace, is it due to the insecurity of having trundlers in your side historically and currently as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    The biggest plus I noticed, Shaheen possesses strong nerves and is a very confident young man, that's one thing which makes all the difference between a good bowler and a match winner in big matches.
    Being on your debut, getting 3 catches dropped on your bowling but still managing to take two wickets speaks volumes about the mental steel of the boy. Superb lad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Buddy, you are not getting me. Maybe i need to elaborate on my point.

    His good looks will help him in getting the ads, they wont be the sole criteria. His performances will be the main one, that is why i mentioned his skills as a cricketer first in my post. You honed onto one point for your own reasons. I saw the India-Pakistan match on star sports, all of the ads had Kohli and no other indian cricketer.

    And in what world is KL Rahul good looking? lmao
    Forget Rahul, how on earth is Bhuvi good looking? Guy has a permanent look of resignation on his face

    Shaheen will progress better as he is young and Pakistan have shown confidence in dropping someone high profile as Amir for him while Khaleel is going nowhere sitting on the bench

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Didn't he bowl 145 K in U19 WC? may be didn't want to go full throttle in this heat.Even Khaleel hit 145K only during his last spell after he got confident.
    I'm not sure about his U19 speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    The speedgun was functional for the odd delivery here and there. Shaheen was mainly in the mid 130s, but I remember one or two deliveries hitting 140kph
    I see, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    What are you on about? Speed cameras were there and Shaheen was bowling around 140 KPH. There is proof in the match thread.
    Well those who saw the speed yesterday say it was in early to mid 130s mostly.

    So, definitely slower in the first match.

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    While Khaleel is impressive, Shaheen is a prodigy. At 17 years of age being 6.6 playing U 19 and touching 145kph with action and athleticism like poetry in motion.

    Khaleel is like any other young promising bowler, Shaheen has the potential to become a great of the game, again just potential till now.
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    Also Shaheen has already taken wickets of players like Finch and Maxwell and by completely cornering them.

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    Shaheen is going to be a monster. He will bully batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    don't know how the industry works in Pak but in India the biggest players become the biggest marketing hits. Not the prettiest faces. We leave that for Bollywood. Even today they still run ads of Dhoni and Sachin - not exactly lookers. Nobody asks KL Rahul or Bhuvi to shoot ads.
    Really? Brett Lee made more $$ than any Aussie cricketer of his generation of Oz cricketers in India by an order of magnitude, despite Brett Lee never playing a test there (pre IPL era bro) and him being just a good players vs several other ATG's in the same side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Really? Brett Lee made more $$ than any Aussie cricketer of his generation of Oz cricketers in India by an order of magnitude, despite Brett Lee never playing a test there (pre IPL era bro) and him being just a good players vs several other ATG's in the same side...
    Yes, really. Brett Lee being an australian wasn't subject to the usual criteria that determines an Indian cricketer's marketability.

    There were many better looking cricketers than Kambli but when he had a good run with the Indian team, and was ranked as Sachin's rival, he earned more adverts than everyone else save Sachin.

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    Both are going to be quality for their respective countries. They just need nurturing.


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    Khaleel has an action very reminiscent of Starc. He needs to add some bulk if he does not want injuries bowling at pace consistently. Shaheen has a great height advantage and has a lot of potential. Good times for fast bowling fans.


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    Shaheen is a gem who I believe will have a breakthrough tournament like those before him next year.

    Akhtar: 99' WC
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    You wish it was.
    Letting Hong Kong score around 260 while batting second is way worse than Afghanistan scoring 250ish while batting first.

    You have to blinded by " nationalism" to say otherwise. Afghanistan is a proper cricket team while HK is made up of part timers.

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    ODIs

    Matches
    KA: 3
    SA: 3

    Wickets
    KA: 5
    SA: 4

    Avg
    KA: 31.40
    SA: 31.75

    Str.rate
    KA: 36
    SA: 39

    Eco
    KA: 5.23
    SA: 4.88


    Quite identical start to their careers

    KA vs SA thread will become next HP vs FA

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    Afridi has more tools so he is the favorite. But India's pace bowling culture is changing now, Kohli may extract the best out of Khaleel.

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    Khaleel playing today.

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    Khaleel trundling.

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    Khaleel needs to get new ball


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