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    India's prime minister Modi faces calls for resignation over French jet deal

    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi faced calls for his resignation over allegations of corruption in a military jet deal with France after former French president Francois Hollande was quoted as saying New Delhi had influenced the choice of a local partner.

    Indian political parties have been gunning for Mr Modi over the 2016 purchase of 36 Rafale planes from Dassault Aviation estimated to be worth $8.7 billion, saying he had overpaid for the planes and had not been transparent.

    More on: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8549831.html

    I guess this explains the sudden war mongering.They need to distract the indian people from this.

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    You will see an increase in anti Pakistan furore to deflect from this issue. Hell, i am not even going to discount a small border skirimish as an option. Modi is in big trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    You will see an increase in anti Pakistan furore to deflect from this issue. Hell, i am not even going to discount a small border skirimish as an option. Modi is in big trouble.
    its already started, indian army chief is moaning about war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    its already started, indian army chief is moaning about war.
    Here we are told daily that Indian Army has no role in Indian Election.

    How naive are these Indians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipcatch View Post
    Here we are told daily that Indian Army has no role in Indian Election.

    How naive are these Indians?
    they are not naives, they are ignorant. the whole worlds knows. now they will be given another lollipop of second "sir ji kal" strike. so they can forget about Rafale deal.


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    Wait for BJP spokesperson to say this is al fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipcatch View Post
    Here we are told daily that Indian Army has no role in Indian Election.

    How naive are these Indians?
    Have to agree with you, this is a transparent attempt by the Indian army to interfere in the elections. You have to be pretty naďve not to see it.

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    Modi is as corrupt as NS. Maybe they did the deal together!

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    This scandal has revealed Modi's true face. This is Donald Trump politics at best, blame others for the crime you're commiting and call them BAD. I hope common sense prevails here and sensible Indians can see what's at play here. If India is serious about solving Kashmir this is the best time, Pakistan has a popular leader who has the army's support in whatever decision he takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    This scandal has revealed Modi's true face. This is Donald Trump politics at best, blame others for the crime you're commiting and call them BAD. I hope common sense prevails here and sensible Indians can see what's at play here. If India is serious about solving Kashmir this is the best time, Pakistan has a popular leader who has the army's support in whatever decision he takes.
    Modi and Indian army loses everything by solving Kashmir issue.

    India won’t be spending hefty amount on the army if Kashmir issue is solved.

    With high poverty rate, India shouldn’t be spending on weaponary, they should be looking to improve the life’s of ordinary citizens. Feel bad for the Indians.

    Modi won’t have important narrative of anti- Pakistan and anti-Muslim to win election, fear of losing the voter bank he reversed his decision to not start dialogues.

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    I see the usual suspects getting quite excited about this "scandal".

    The choice was apparently between Reliance and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

    Given that HAL is a public sector company, and like other public sector companies has delivered very poor results (notable exception ISRO), as an Indian I am quite happy that the Indian defense industry is moving to private sector companies rather than old failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I see the usual suspects getting quite excited about this "scandal".

    The choice was apparently between Reliance and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

    Given that HAL is a public sector company, and like other public sector companies has delivered very poor results (notable exception ISRO), as an Indian I am quite happy that the Indian defense industry is moving to private sector companies rather than old failures.
    that is besides the point

    Acc to the former French head of government (clearly a credible source) no fair or transparent protocol was followed.

    You dont need to justify unprofessional and corrupt behavior.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    that is besides the point

    Acc to the former French head of government (clearly a credible source) no fair or transparent protocol was followed.

    You dont need to justify unprofessional and corrupt behavior.
    It is completely the point. The economic progress India has made in the last 25 years has been entirely due to the private sector. For the first 45 years after independence the economy was dominated by the public sector and the private sector was suppressed.

    The article from The Independent very artlessly makes a point for HAL writing "For that, the French firm picked Reliance and not Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the state-run giant that has been producing planes for decades, most of them Russian under licence."

    We Indians who are not stupid don't want to go back to the bad days of public sector dominated economy. If we do, we will end up where Pakistan is now.

    If the BJP government pushed for a private sector firm to be chosen, we will give them credit. It is not "unprofessional" behavior, it is guiding the economy in the right direction which a good government is supposed to do.

    Hollande is a gutless coward who knows that all this will do is create trouble for the current French and Indian governments. If he needed to speak, he should have spoken when he was the French PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I see the usual suspects getting quite excited about this "scandal".

    The choice was apparently between Reliance and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

    Given that HAL is a public sector company, and like other public sector companies has delivered very poor results (notable exception ISRO), as an Indian I am quite happy that the Indian defense industry is moving to private sector companies rather than old failures.
    Moving defense industry to private sector is probably the worst thing that can happen. When that happens your foreign policy / relationship with your neighbors become hostage to the rich private defense contractors who will lobby for more war mongering to make the extra buck.

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    People defending corruption. Cannot believe how low they can get for their jingoism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    Moving defense industry to private sector is probably the worst thing that can happen. When that happens your foreign policy / relationship with your neighbors become hostage to the rich private defense contractors who will lobby for more war mongering to make the extra buck.
    These issues have positives and negatives. I agree that defense contractors can corrupt the democratic process and that is negative. However, for a country like India with a large poor population to have to spend tens of billions of dollars on defense imports is also very bad.

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    Modi ji, like imran khan, is beyond corruption. Both may have their flaws, but cannot be accused of financial wrongdoing and are true patriots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi faced calls for his resignation over allegations of corruption in a military jet deal with France after former French president Francois Hollande was quoted as saying New Delhi had influenced the choice of a local partner.

    Indian political parties have been gunning for Mr Modi over the 2016 purchase of 36 Rafale planes from Dassault Aviation estimated to be worth $8.7 billion, saying he had overpaid for the planes and had not been transparent.

    More on: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8549831.html

    I guess this explains the sudden war mongering.They need to distract the indian people from this.
    lol I laugh when I see that clown Rahul Gandhi on TV talking about the PM. Modi may not be good at a lot of things, but sorry my child, you are still not fit enough to run a brothel let alone a country. I much rather a terrible Modi than a mentally handicapped little boy like YOU, little Gandhi...Politics is for grown men not for babies in diapers..
    Last edited by Romali_rotti; 23rd September 2018 at 08:15.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    that is besides the point

    Acc to the former French head of government (clearly a credible source) no fair or transparent protocol was followed.

    You dont need to justify unprofessional and corrupt behavior.
    What about the present french govt? They have denied the statements of Hollande.

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    So let's see...

    The public defence manufacturer is ignored and The contract is awarded to company who has no history in defence manufacture, but the owner is one of your biggest backers.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    So let's see...

    The public defence manufacturer is ignored and The contract is awarded to company who has no history in defence manufacture, but the owner is one of your biggest backers.....
    The contract is with Dassault aviation. A french defence company. According to Indian laws all companies that get defence contracts from India need to invest 30%-50% in India. They are free to choose any partner.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    So let's see...

    The public defence manufacturer is ignored and The contract is awarded to company who has no history in defence manufacture, but the owner is one of your biggest backers.....
    The public defense manufacturer deserves to be ignored. HAL has been working on the LCA project forever with little to show for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The contract is with Dassault aviation. A french defence company. According to Indian laws all companies that get defence contracts from India need to invest 30%-50% in India. They are free to choose any partner.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.
    I think by this time all Indians, including Congress but especially the BJP realize that public sector cannot deliver. I have had short stints at Indian public sectors and seen from inside how useless they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What about the present french govt? They have denied the statements of Hollande.
    Who was in govt when the contract was made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The contract is with Dassault aviation. A french defence company. According to Indian laws all companies that get defence contracts from India need to invest 30%-50% in India. They are free to choose any partner.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.
    The allegation is that dessault was asked to choose Ambani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The contract is with Dassault aviation. A french defence company. According to Indian laws all companies that get defence contracts from India need to invest 30%-50% in India. They are free to choose any partner.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.
    Tata, mahindra and Adani are defence manufacturers. Tata was producing defence equipment for the British in ww2!!

    Ambani has no history in defence, and despite that was given the contract .....and the fact that he's a big supporter of Modi...

    Why would dessaulr ignore other 3 genuine defence contractors and go with someone with zero history in this field....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    The allegation is that dessault was asked to choose Ambani.
    The French Govt in a official statement has said that Dassault enjoyed total freedom in choosing its partner. The Dassault issued a similar statement.

    So the is the French govt lying too?Because they issued a official statement.

    And this contract for Rafale is a IGA or a Inter goverment agreement. So the french govt is also a party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Tata, mahindra and Adani are defence manufacturers. Tata was producing defence equipment for the British in ww2!!

    Ambani has no history in defence, and despite that was given the contract .....and the fact that he's a big supporter of Modi...

    Why would dessaulr ignore other 3 genuine defence contractors and go with someone with zero history in this field....
    What defence system is manufactured by Adani?
    Mahindra defence system is hardly few years old.

    Defence sector was opened to private sector only few years ago.Before that it was the sole purview of govt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from Indian Navy and US navy. So whats this zero history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What about the present french govt? They have denied the statements of Hollande.
    If it’s not true then it’s not true and is a non-issue

    I was replying specifically to Napa who says that he was fine with it even if there was no transparency


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    This issue isn’t getting enough attention that it deserves..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    People defending corruption. Cannot believe how low they can get for their jingoism.
    Kind of like you supported PMLN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    that is besides the point

    Acc to the former French head of government (clearly a credible source) no fair or transparent protocol was followed.

    You dont need to justify unprofessional and corrupt behavior.
    Modi has been in public life for well over 20 years. Elected as CM of Gujarat since 2000 and remained in office till 2014, when he became the PM. He has not had a single instance of corruption leveled and proven against him. This despite the fact that Congress ruled central government did its best to frame him from 2004-2014.

    I am not here to take you through the specifics of inter-governmental agreements on defence related purchase which you'd understandably have no time to get your head around.

    Rather I'd point you to the fact that there's a reason why such allegations against Modi would never gain traction. You'll see the evidence in december, when three Indian states go for assembly elections.

    Also notice how many regional political parties who offer a stiffer challenge to Modi than Congress ever could are mostly quiet on this issue. Why? They have leaders with ears on the ground.
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    The only challenge to Modi is price rise esp oil prices.

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    So Modi is corrupt. No surprise, given his family background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziRules View Post
    So Modi is corrupt. No surprise, given his family background.
    Family background, this is news to me. I understood Modi had quite the humble upbringing.

    In any case...the truth is all are corrupt.

    In India's case, the BJP still has a strong overarching ideology - there is an overall reason for some people to support the party, whether it is through their 'Hindu' appeal, or through a 'supposed' more liberal economic policy.

    For the Congress, there currently is nothing that knits the party together apart from loyalty to the Nehru-Gandhi family...and maybe a loose commitment to secularism. Given that, there is nothing to bind the party together, apart from the promise that each and every member will get their cut when the party comes to power. That notion, along with Congress' tainted past when it comes to corruption scandals, means that whatever mud the Congress try and sling on Modi, it won't really mean much to the voter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipcatch View Post
    Here we are told daily that Indian Army has no role in Indian Election.

    How naive are these Indians?
    if you dont understand context, then you are absolutely lost.

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    This doesn’t look good for Modi - seems like a clear case of crony capitalism and Hollande has well and truly thrown the BJP under a bus. But, he’ll survive because the Congress have even less credibility when it comes to scams and corruption. What was it Ambani senior said about congress? “Congress to ab apni dukaan hai”.

    Rahul lectures people on corruption yet has done nothing to crack down on corruption within his family and party.

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    So this is why rawat was shouting about another Sir G kal strike, to deflect attention

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    Yes perhaps cronyism Im sure considering what the sub continental politicial scene is like, corruption is never far away from defence contracts. The French have a history of greasing palms, our own Agosta deal and the Mirage 2000 deal (a deal that was scrapped because mr 10% wanted a cut)..

    You have to understand the situtation for the french. The Rafale despite its capability was not winning foreign contracts. Customers complained about the high cost of maintenance, contracts and other things. India saw that France really needed a big sale and decided to negotiate with that in mind.

    As a Pakistani I was hoping HAL would get the contract as they do a better job than the ISI of helping us keep parity..WIth reliance it offers India a better chance of producing the aircraft and its maintenance etc..the French are theives..better to deal with them desi style..

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    He should resign but for mass murdereing people.

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    Indian people here are saying the Rafale deal has been dealt with


    PP's own self proclaimed sharpshooter and defender of Islam and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Yes perhaps cronyism Im sure considering what the sub continental politicial scene is like, corruption is never far away from defence contracts. The French have a history of greasing palms, our own Agosta deal and the Mirage 2000 deal (a deal that was scrapped because mr 10% wanted a cut)..

    You have to understand the situtation for the french. The Rafale despite its capability was not winning foreign contracts. Customers complained about the high cost of maintenance, contracts and other things. India saw that France really needed a big sale and decided to negotiate with that in mind.

    As a Pakistani I was hoping HAL would get the contract as they do a better job than the ISI of helping us keep parity..WIth reliance it offers India a better chance of producing the aircraft and its maintenance etc..the French are theives..better to deal with them desi style..
    Lol case in point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Lol case in point.

    You should also read about the maintenance nightmare that keeps HAL going lol..the corruption is so endemic one wonders how they produce a handful of Planes.

    However there is one silver lining. The govt of India can afford to wait for these planes , therefore there is no real war with Pakistan on the horizon..

    We should worry of both countries suddenly start procuring sophisticated weapons at very short notice and manufacturing ramps up to emergency levels. India is making do with a shortage of squadrons. Pakistan hasnt filled its quota of JF17's and is happy to fly its mirage 3's from the 1970's. Not exactly to adversaries about to blow each other to bits..lol

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    Good read. Although it does hold a bias towards HAl, but details hints of cronism towards Ambani (which BTW happens everywhere).
    Jet-Lagged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric_man View Post
    Good read. Although it does hold a bias towards HAl, but details hints of cronism towards Ambani (which BTW happens everywhere).
    Jet-Lagged!
    I read this..Once again they make it sound like HAL is the greatest thing since sliced bread. No doubt its experience is second to none in India but it is inefficient and riddled with corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post

    Oh dear Modi like his friend Sharif is corrupt.

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    The depths to which Bhakts will sink to defend their god is absolutely cringe worthy. May I ask why is it necessary for you to defend every sin Modi commits and he has committed so many in his short tenure at centre that its not even funny anymore?

    Just because Cong has been quite abysmal for majority of their reign and have been everyone's favorite punching bag doesn't mean that Modi should get a free pass even for a second! Being 'nationalists' you should know that nation comes first, everything else is secondary.

    Or being pro BJP is more important than being pro India?

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    Coming to the OP, its laughable to suggest Dassault opted for Reliance Defence on their own will. Considering the size of the project, any foreign entity would choose someone who at least has a workable experience of these things. And when the question is about manufacturing defense eqptt for a sovereign country, it becomes all the more imperative for that foreign entity to be even more careful.

    PS: Reliance Defense got 'established' 10 days prior to the announcement of this deal by Modi himself in Paris. If this alone doesn't stink for you don't know what else will.

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    Modi thought his strongman and non corruptible image will carry him through in the eyes of easily gullible Indian public. In his supreme arrogance he thought that by not even involving India's then Defense minister, Parrikar in the decision making of this deal, he'll get all the credit. But alas, he alone has to face the brickbats as well now.

    BTW, when was the last time you heard a country's DM is not involved in anyway in a defense deal especially of this magnitude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Modi thought his strongman and non corruptible image will carry him through in the eyes of easily gullible Indian public. In his supreme arrogance he thought that by not even involving India's then Defense minister, Parrikar in the decision making of this deal, he'll get all the credit. But alas, he alone has to face the brickbats as well now.

    BTW, when was the last time you heard a country's DM is not involved in anyway in a defense deal especially of this magnitude?
    It is the Prime Minister's cabinet. He is the head and once the Cabinet committee on security has given the go ahead thats that.

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    As for corruption under Modi's watch, demonetization is world's biggest ever scam, only difference is that it was orchestrated by the govt of the day. The likes of coal scam, 2G scam, Bofors scam, fodder scam are tiny babies in front of that massive organized loot and murder of ordinary Indians by Modi for winning UP assembly elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    It is the Prime Minister's cabinet. He is the head and once the Cabinet committee on security has given the go ahead thats that.
    Then why does Modi need so many ministers in cabinet? Why so much burden on Indian exchequer for a jumbo cabinet like Modi has at his disposal?

    Might as well dismiss all of them and act unilaterally which in any case he is doing since his reign as Gujarat CM!

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    Reliance Defence was 'freely chosen' as offset partner: Dassault Aviation

    New Delhi: Dassault Aviation has rejected the 'condition' claim which has been reported by French investigative journal Mediapart. According to a statement issued by the French aviation major, it had "freely chosen" India's Reliance Group for a partnership to set up joint-venture Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd (DRAL) to manufacture parts for Rafale aircraft and Falcon 2000 business jets.

    Dassault further confirmed that "it has sold 36 Rafale aircraft to India within the framework of the September 2016 Inter-Government Agreement between France and India". The aviation company also mentioned that it created the joint venture to deliver the offsets committed to India, ANI reported.

    "In compliance with the Indian regulations (Defence Procurement Procedure) and as frequent with such a contract, Dassault Aviation has committed to offsets in India worth 50 percent of the value of the purchase", the release stated. "In order to deliver some of these offsets, Dassault Aviation decided to create a joint venture. Dassault Aviation has freely chosen to make a partnership with India's Reliance Group."

    The Rafale jets were selected by the United Progressive Alliance through Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition on 31 January 2012 due to its lower life-cycle cost.

    In the beginning, India had planned to buy 18 off-the-shelf jets from France, with 108 others to be assembled in the country by the state-run aerospace and defence company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). However, in 2015, Prime Minister Modi-led NDA government scrapped the deal signed during UPA’s tenure and announced that it would buy 36 "ready-to-fly" Rafale jets instead of seeking a technology transfer from France's Dassault Aviation and making the aircraft in India.

    Dassault had refused to take responsibility for the 108 HAL-manufactured fighters, as it had ‘doubts’ about the ability of HAL to accommodate the manufacturing and technology transfers of the aircraft.

    https://www.timesnownews.com/india/a...pradesh/297507

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post

    Did French Journal Mediapart reveal the document this whole story was based on? Dassault has rejected all these claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Coming to the OP, its laughable to suggest Dassault opted for Reliance Defence on their own will. Considering the size of the project, any foreign entity would choose someone who at least has a workable experience of these things. And when the question is about manufacturing defense eqptt for a sovereign country, it becomes all the more imperative for that foreign entity to be even more careful.

    PS: Reliance Defense got 'established' 10 days prior to the announcement of this deal by Modi himself in Paris. If this alone doesn't stink for you don't know what else will.
    FYI Dassault chose Reliance defence as Offset partner.

    Reliance wont make a single rafale. It will only be one of the partners for the 30k crore offset investment that Dassault has to make in India as part of the deal. They will likely manufacture parts of the Falcon business jets in India. Indian govt isnt buying falcon jets, others will buy them. And everyone knows that when you want quality on time performance and cost control you dont go to any govt PSU.

    The following are the offset partnerships announced for ongoing and future contracts. No one chose a PSU.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Then why does Modi need so many ministers in cabinet? Why so much burden on Indian exchequer for a jumbo cabinet like Modi has at his disposal?

    Might as well dismiss all of them and act unilaterally which in any case he is doing since his reign as Gujarat CM!

    Jumbo cabinet? His cabinet is smaller than MMS.

    He is the PM so yes by law he can overrule the cabinet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    As for corruption under Modi's watch, demonetization is world's biggest ever scam, only difference is that it was orchestrated by the govt of the day. The likes of coal scam, 2G scam, Bofors scam, fodder scam are tiny babies in front of that massive organized loot and murder of ordinary Indians by Modi for winning UP assembly elections.
    How was DeMo a scam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    The depths to which Bhakts will sink to defend their god is absolutely cringe worthy. May I ask why is it necessary for you to defend every sin Modi commits and he has committed so many in his short tenure at centre that its not even funny anymore?

    Just because Cong has been quite abysmal for majority of their reign and have been everyone's favorite punching bag doesn't mean that Modi should get a free pass even for a second! Being 'nationalists' you should know that nation comes first, everything else is secondary.

    Or being pro BJP is more important than being pro India?
    People are free to vote and choose anyone. They are choosing Bjp and Modi.

    If they get a better option they will choose them.

    Its amusing how you misuse the word bhakt.

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    Its amusing how you misuse the word bhakt.
    Misuse?

    So now you'll stop someone from using a word? Whats offensive about it? I know the freedom of speech is under real danger under Modi but this?

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    Oh dear, at least if you want to criticize Modi, at least do it correctly. Not reading the document itself and just believing the headlines, is plain stupidity. France, India gov, independant journalists have all answered on the latest so called document.

    It's a nonsense allegation just like DeMo, saying 10000 times a lie, will not make it true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Coming to the OP, its laughable to suggest Dassault opted for Reliance Defence on their own will. Considering the size of the project, any foreign entity would choose someone who at least has a workable experience of these things.
    PS: Reliance Defense got 'established' 10 days prior to the announcement of this deal by Modi himself in Paris. If this alone doesn't stink for you don't know what else will.
    Dassault claimed that a few hours ago. What's there to laugh about?

    And when the question is about manufacturing defense eqptt for a sovereign country, it becomes all the more imperative for that foreign entity to be even more careful.
    More nonsense. You are clueless about Reliance's role in the deal. Educate yourself before pretending to be an expert.

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    Like I said earlier the depths bhakts will sink to defend Modi is unimaginable.. No wonder India is going down the gutter under Modi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someone21 View Post
    It's a nonsense allegation just like DeMo, saying 10000 times a lie, will not make it true.
    Is that why Modi doesn't want to talk about demonetization now?

    Chor ki dadhi mein tinka?

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    If demonetization isn't a scam why doesn't anyone from BJP claim it as a great achievement of Modi any longer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by someone21 View Post
    Oh dear, at least if you want to criticize Modi, at least do it correctly. Not reading the document itself and just believing the headlines, is plain stupidity. France, India gov, independant journalists have all answered on the latest so called document.

    It's a nonsense allegation just like DeMo, saying 10000 times a lie, will not make it true.
    Just like the so-called 2G scam? Or coal scam? Or Vadhra's 'land scams'? How many accused have been put behind bars by paragon of cleanliness in public life, Modi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    If demonetization isn't a scam why doesn't anyone from BJP claim it as a great achievement of Modi any longer?
    And when has the government stopped calling it an achievement? It's everywhere to be seen and 2019, it will one main aspect for BJP to get vote. The question should be why has the opposition stopped talking about it? They talked about it big time in UP elections, yet it failed on the ground. Similar, is this Rafale debate which is nothing but noises....

    Do the opposition have anything to talk about themselves? They have no achievements and can't face any scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Like I said earlier the depths bhakts will sink to defend Modi is unimaginable.. No wonder India is going down the gutter under Modi.
    Parroting the same line on Bhakts and Modi won't make you look any smarter.

    You would trust a media house's report on how Dassault dealt with India and ignore Dassault's own version?

    You have even been caught lying about Reliance's role in the deal. You know nothing.
    Last edited by BlackShadow; 11th October 2018 at 17:17.

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    Our joint-venture with India’s Reliance will meet about 10% of Dassault Aviation’s offset (compensations) obligations required by the 36 Rafale fighters contract with New Delhi, said Thursday Eric Trappier, the CEO of Dassault Aviation, to AFP as the choice of this company is disputed in India.
    https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en...-aviation-ceo/


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Parroting the same line on Bhakts and Modi won't make you look any smarter.

    You would trust a media house's report on how Dassault dealt with India and ignore Dassault's own version?

    You have even been caught lying about Reliance's role in the deal. You know nothing.
    lol and you conveniently ignored what none other than Hollande said about this deal!

    Lying about Reliance? I know how Anil Ambani and his ADAG works, don't challenge me on that. Better educate yourself and get out of that hole which Modi has put you and a lot of your ilk in. Thankfully quite a few Indians have realized that Modi is a big hoax and an event manager par excellence and nothing else.

    Be pro India and not Modi's parrot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    lol and you conveniently ignored what none other than Hollande said about this deal!

    Lying about Reliance? I know how Anil Ambani and his ADAG works, don't challenge me on that. Better educate yourself and get out of that hole which Modi has put you and a lot of your ilk in. Thankfully quite a few Indians have realized that Modi is a big hoax and an event manager par excellence and nothing else.

    Be pro India and not Modi's parrot.
    What did the french govt said about the deal? So french govt is also lying?

    What do you know about ADAG? Why did US navy gave a contract to them?

    What is this ilk you are talking about? India is a free country. People are free to vote for anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    FYI Dassault chose Reliance defence as Offset partner.

    Reliance wont make a single rafale. It will only be one of the partners for the 30k crore offset investment that Dassault has to make in India as part of the deal. They will likely manufacture parts of the Falcon business jets in India. Indian govt isnt buying falcon jets, others will buy them. And everyone knows that when you want quality on time performance and cost control you dont go to any govt PSU.

    The following are the offset partnerships announced for ongoing and future contracts. No one chose a PSU.

    Lockheed chose Tata
    Boeing chose Tata
    BAE chose Mahindra
    SaaB chose Adani
    Dassault chose Reliance ADAG

    So all foreign contractors chose pvt companies.

    Reliance ADAG has defence contracts from US navy and Indian Navy.
    Reliance got contracts from US and Indian navies post or pre Dassault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Reliance got contracts from US and Indian navies post or pre Dassault?
    US order was post Dassault. Indian Navy pre Dassault.


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