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11th November 2018, 21:08 #1
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Has Sarfaraz Ahmed lost confidence in his batting abilities?
For a captain and a specialist wicket keeper batsman, one would expect him to take charge of situation when chips are down and strike the hammer when team is in good position.
However here is a batsman clearly short of confidence and coming down at the fall if seventh wicket. Clearly everything is not right with Sarfaraz the batsman. Though the team is currently on a winning streak, this kind of gesture from the captain does not inspire confidence for the team.
Should there be a word from the coach or the team management to rethink his position such that the team is not negatively impacted by this attitude.
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11th November 2018, 21:10 #2
What? He is honest with himself and knows his limitations as a batsman. Faheem, Asif and Hasan can hit a few, and were the right choice at the time.
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11th November 2018, 21:59 #3
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11th November 2018, 22:09 #4
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11th November 2018, 22:11 #5
He knows that he is a mediocre batsman who also lacks hitting ability so he sent the tailenders above him
it's not lack of confidence,it's just lack of ability and he is aware of it
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11th November 2018, 22:18 #6
He batted below Hasan Ali, that's poor tbh..
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11th November 2018, 22:32 #7
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Master stroke from Sarfaraz. Hassan Ali is a very capable hitter and can use his long handle and can tonk the leather to a fair distance. You have to be unconventional at times.
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11th November 2018, 22:35 #8
With 4 to 6 overs and allrounders hitters still in hunt why will he come to bat?
He isn’t that situation player . Right call not to bat and send hitters up
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11th November 2018, 22:38 #9
Exactly no need for sarfaraz to come out in the last few overs, it's hitters we need in the last few overs. Anyone sane wil know this.
Had he come out earlier the same people would be saying he's not giving youngsters a chance
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11th November 2018, 22:43 #10
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On contrary it was quite unselfish of him . Knowing what was the need of the hour he sent Hassan Ali Ahead of him . He should have sent Asif Ali Ahead of Shoaib Malik
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11th November 2018, 22:51 #11
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11th November 2018, 23:01 #12
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Never had proper batting ability.
What do you define batting as? He can accumulate some runs against the spinners. Not always though.
And that's all.
It's not batting! No team, especially in LOI cricket can accommodate such a player.
We're the only odd one out and that shows in our poor overall batting strength.
We lose matches because of our batting. Sarfraz is a significant contributor to that. Not the only one though. We have Malik, Shadab, Imad, sometimes Hafeez too.
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11th November 2018, 23:13 #13
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I can understand promoting Faheem and Asif in the death overs because they are known to be better power-hitters.
But to promote a bowler (Hasan) above himself was rather odd.
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11th November 2018, 23:19 #14
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Another Sarfraz bashing thread. With few overs remaining why would u not send your long handle batsmen. It has nothing to do With his ability as a batsman. Sarfraz is the most selfless player I have seen the batting in UAE is easy enough for someone like him to come in middle at bat at good strike rate. Yet he does not try to bat ahead of those Who are specifically chosen in team as batsmen. Those who are complain g about his form should look at his recent contributions. Last match he did not have any bowls left so had to give his wicket away for the team's cause.
Now he is doing well as a captain he is being criticised for being selfless as a batsman.
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11th November 2018, 23:24 #15
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11th November 2018, 23:36 #16
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I do agree with @PakPremi that Sarfraz isn't selfish.
He did it today for the team. We wanted runs on the board and Sarfraz definitely wasn't the right choice.
It's good that he realizes his limitations. Even better will once he realizes that he doesn't deserve to play LOis.
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11th November 2018, 23:42 #17
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12th November 2018, 01:09 #18
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Today, not only Sarfraz, Hasan could have batted even ahead of Malik. When Haris was out, it was confirmed that PAK won’t get all-out and Babar was set at other end to rotate strike. Asif, Hasan/Shadab, Fahim would have been my order.
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12th November 2018, 01:13 #19
How embarrassing is it for him to be worse than a tail-ender at hitting big shots? How long before Mr. Selfless turns up at number 11?
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12th November 2018, 01:16 #20
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12th November 2018, 01:20 #21
Did i miss something? Sarfraz isnt a hitter so did the right thing sending players that can use the long handle
If anything its selfless and putting the team first
If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back
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12th November 2018, 01:25 #22
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12th November 2018, 01:27 #23
Misbah didn't hide behind tail-enders either. I felt a new level of embarrassment today when Captain Fantastic batted below Hasan.
The explanation? Hasan is a better hitter. Even more embarrassing. What kind of a batsman is he if he cannot even outpour tail-enders when it comes to big shots?
I feel more embarrassed now than I did when I started typing this post. Oh dear.
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12th November 2018, 01:33 #24
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So all those team that send their pinch hitters up the order before proper batsmen must have cowards in their team. If I am not wrong even dear India has sent likes of fake all rounder Pandaya before batsmen. Sarfraz has already shown in theODI and the first ODIhe is capable of playing at good strike rate but to be a good ODI you do not need to be six hitter.
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12th November 2018, 01:44 #25
Hasan is a not a pinch-hitter; he is a tail-ender. These days, very few tail-enders are genuine bunnies like Walsh, McGrath or Chris Martins. They all can hold their own with the bat, but that does not make them "pinch hitters" or "fake all-rounders". They are still tail-enders.
Pandya is a not a fake all-rounder, he is a genuine all-rounder, and the best young prospect in the game today. Perhaps Sarfraz fans of all people ought to respect him a bit more because he beat the living daylights out of our fake all-rounders in the match you folks milk to date and cannot move on from.
I thought we were just going to stop at embarrassment here, but today, a new level of desperation has been reached as well - it is okay for Sarfraz to bat below Hasan Ali, because India has also promoted Pandya up the order many times.
Wow. Sarfraz Fan Club in a nutshell - nothing more needs to be said.
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12th November 2018, 01:54 #26
we know he is not capable of power hitting / slogging & we don't expect / demand 150 SR innings from him.
His role (according to his fans) is of an accumulator. If so, then he should be play at number 3/4 rather than 6/7.
IMO his captaincy is alright (if not marvelous) but remove the captain's tag & he is yet to justify his place in the team as a batsman.
Some people are arguing here that it's his selflessness, as if he was reaching some milestone & he dropped himself. It's not selflessness it's called hiding behind others or lack of confidence/ability.
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12th November 2018, 02:00 #27
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Even likes of Wahab and Amir have made 50s that does not make them all rounder. Pandaya performances thus far confirm he is as fake as it gets. He could well improve. Do you think Sarfraz was scared to bat last over no team management must have thought Hasan Ali had a better chance at blind slogging a six than Sarfaz did. And if it is good enough for India promoting slogger Pandaya then why is not for Pakistan. I have seen Hasan slog effectively many times.
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12th November 2018, 02:11 #28
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Nice logic, agreed.
But bro, what is his purpose in the team then? Can’t bat in top 3 because he won’t last long against new ball, can’t bat at 4-5 because there are few better than him there, can’t bat at 6-7-8 because he can’t blast instantly.... left is no. 9. Obviously, with gloves he is not the best guy in country.
Haters can whin as much as they wish, but Sarfraz has big heart and heart always wins over head or muscle - Sarfraz wins there hands down; even Imran was selfish to steal the limelight - batted at 3 in WC final, which happens to be his last game.
You see, there is a reason I always say as Captain, FaF, Kohli, Smith, Root/Morgan or Will are no match for him - that earns him an inherited right to be PAK Captain for 3 formats as long as he wishes (deserving as well - 2017 CT is the last edition - forever that name is engraved there)........... and this minnow leader Mashrafe shouldn’t even sit by his side in press conference.Last edited by MMHS; 12th November 2018 at 02:12.
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12th November 2018, 02:16 #29
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12th November 2018, 02:19 #30
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12th November 2018, 02:24 #31
I actually think he is. There is no Rashid Latif waiting in the wings anyways. There may be wicketkeepers in domestic circuit who are tiny bit better than Sarfaraz but thats it really.
Sarfaraz’s role in the team is unique. He can bat at no.5/6 in ODIs (though I would always bat him at 8/9).
Believe it or not but Sarfaraz does bring a lot to the table. Decent keeper, an ever improving captain which the whole team respects, and obviously he chips in with the bat on more then enough occassions.
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12th November 2018, 02:38 #32
Nothing wrong here.,
Who will u send in the last over:
Rahul dravid or harbhajan singh:
Surely bhajji and it doesn't mean that rahul dravid isn't a quality batsman in odis.
Some people are just Making a mountain out of a molehill.
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12th November 2018, 02:43 #33
Sarfraz is a actually decent hitter when there is pace on the pitch (SENA & WI). Only in UAE, his batting is pretty useless unless there is a collapse.
"Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all." --Aristotle
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12th November 2018, 02:43 #34
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12th November 2018, 03:36 #38
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If the comment section of this thread were a song, it'd be Hot and Cold by Katy Perry. Some questioning Sarfraz the batsman, some praising his innings awareness of the game.
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12th November 2018, 03:43 #39
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Keyboard warriors at it again. Oh my God does these guys are so desperate!
Sarfraz did great when last time the team needed at 85-6 him but like always self hating agenda driven Pakistanis and some non-Pakistanis have issues with him.
Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests
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12th November 2018, 03:48 #40
This thread seems to be one of those created because there is nothing to criticise the team about today
The poster probably thought Pakistan would fold and be humiliated today and when the opposite happened let’s nit pick about Sarfis batting
Criticism just for the sake of it
If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back
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12th November 2018, 03:48 #41
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I guess I over estimated Mamoon I thought someone with his experience of watching matches would have match awareness. So when in a test match a night watchman is sent with only few overs left to face does it mean that like of Anderson has better technique to survivet han a proper batsman like Root. It's done for tactical reason. The issue is not Sarfraz but any thing Pak does is wrong plucky or freakish. I used freakish to define Boult's hat trick only because Mamoon was alluding to Shadab's hat trick as fortunate. Yet Shadab has out bowled Boult in the series. Alag alag peymaney naapney key liyeh.
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12th November 2018, 03:50 #42
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stop running scared.... Hassan ali seriously?
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12th November 2018, 04:00 #43
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Couldn't criticize his captaincy, keeping or batting in this series so picking up on the fact that he sent bigger hitters ahead of him in the dying stages of the match. These same teenage girls would have criticized him had he sent himself ahead of the likes of Fahim and Hasan. Basically the goal is to bash Sarfaraz no matter what. These "fans" are lucky this forum is heavily moderated otherwise I would have let them know what I really feel about them.
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12th November 2018, 04:07 #44
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no he hasn't, if anything he sacrifices a consistent batting spot for himself and comes to bat according to the situation
promoting Asif, Fahlem, Imad (even Hassan Ali) above himself when there are less than 5 over left is a selfless move, not a sign of lacking confidence
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12th November 2018, 04:09 #45
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Agreed, he is starting to get back in good form with scores of 94 and 81 (test), 34 off 26 in only t20 he batted, and 66 in 1st odi and i thought in 2nd odi he should have promoted himself up over likes of Malik and Hafeez to get some more runs under his belt before the test series but once again he didnt want to score cheap runs and let Malik and Hafeez score runs after their failure in 1st odi. Selfless player!
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12th November 2018, 04:15 #47
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Hassan ali is a hitter? He might connect with one after missing 6 balls. He's more likely to lose his wicket or stall an innings than propell it.
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12th November 2018, 04:16 #48
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This also shows.... take Sarfraz out, makes no difference to team. They win inspite of him, not because of him.
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Hasan Ali is a better hitter than Sarfraz and Sarfraz's fans and he himself admits this. Nothing wrong in acknowledging your limitations.
Hasan is considered as a hitter by the management for some time now thats why he is promoted often over Shadab and Imad too and not just Sarfraz in the death overs.
Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests
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12th November 2018, 04:56 #50
Excellent bowling by @PakPremi.
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In ODI not everyone gets to bat but if team collapsing like the first ODI you will find the use of Sarfraz. His captaincy and wicket keep was up to mark which contributed in no small measure to good team perfrmances in the series, with Sarfraz contributing in many matches where he had sufficient time to bat. Stop the blind and bias hate., unless you can introduce a Dhoni or Gilchrist support the team.
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12th November 2018, 12:01 #53
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Now put your nuanced hat on and watch it again.
Vast Majority of his shots are against spinners on the baby kiwi boundaries. He could only strike one or maybe two (one of those was an attempted slower one I think) against seamers. Some attempted "strikes" went over slips and keeper.....
Were the spinners on when he was sent in yesterday?
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12th November 2018, 14:16 #57
Hassan Ali is a far more capable hitter than Sarfaraz. There were only 2 overs left at that point, not quite sure what the issue is.
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He was always a mediocre batsmen who was a good strike rotater specially against spinners. His game against pace has always been average. He is a liability in the current team, Pakistan can't afford to carry him with Hafeez and Malik in the playing 11.
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12th November 2018, 14:43 #60
People are being harsh on Sarfaraz!He was never a player who could just come on to the crease and dispatch bowlers for fun.He batted quite well in the first ODI during a crisis which restored my faith in his batting capacity.However,the people who frequently take digs at Misbah with the aim to defend Sarfaraz should have some shame.This can be done without involving a player who has always backed Sarfaraz despite all the criticism!
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12th November 2018, 14:54 #61
So you wanted sarfaraz to come in and build a inning in a last few overs?
What your saying is understandable if were chasing a target but we had a decent score on the board it didn't matter if we sent in Hassan Ali for batting practice or shaheen Shah. If your concerned about a better total then babar is your man your need to sort out he slowed the run rate by playing selfish for his 100 which he didn't get in the end
Stop following cricinfo about time you watched some games
Seriously an IQ test should be carried out before anyone joins this forum
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12th November 2018, 15:00 #63
Unless Dravid was in his late 30s I would have sent him
He has played some quickfire knocks for us including a 22 ball 50 and once smashed 65 runs in last 5 overs(46-50) which was a record then
And Dravid had a ability to play long innings
He was One of the best batsmen for his team
Sarfaraz on the other hand bats at 6-7,he is an average batsman who isn't among top batsmen of his side neither he has the ability to slog better than a tailender who averages 10 with the bat
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This is a funny topic to me
IMO it is simply that individuals have clear defined roles under this management. Sarfraz's role is more more of an accumulator. If Pakistan were 12/3 or 12/4 (did you really think he would send Faheem or Hasan above him), he would come in and try to build a partnership. It is clearly defined. If its last 2-3 overs, there is a need for a slogger sort of role where they use Asif, Faheem and Hassan. Why is it hard to understand this? They have set roles for each player and that is how it should be.
That said, I am not denying that Sarfraz should work on his hitting ability so he can be a more all-round batsman but people simply like to provide criticism these days so no apparent reason!
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Dravid was in the side primarily for his batting . He was a world class batsman but if few balls were left to face I would have sent Harbhajan to try hit maximum when setting up higher score. Sarfraz has also scored many quick runs innings for Pak in ODI and has performed in many positions including as an opener, even thoughheis not in team as a main batsman. So deserves a lot of respect. There are no better keeper batsman in domestic league, so do not understand the hate, especiallywhenhe has put in some steller performances lately in test, ODIs and T20 after his slump in form. Of course it can be argued that Sarfraz should lessen his burden and give up T20 captaincy so he can focus on his captaincy and batting form in the two more impirtant formats. His performances are no worse than the current wicket keepers of the best ODI team India.
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12th November 2018, 15:25 #67
It's you who is hating in every other sarfaraz thread so it's you who should be ashamed not me.
Misbah never had a power game, I wish he did we would have not lost so many games because of him.
Let's not forget his power game in t20 final
Lost us the worldcup from a winning position.
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