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    Pakistan cricket does not revolve around Sarfraz fans that keep finding illogical excuses to save his captaincy. The guy is leading Pakistan team not some Uganda XI. He can't enjoy free ride as a captain without performing and leading from the front. If he does not have the balls to lead this team then he should be sacked. We can't go through this torture for any longer. I would rather invest in some young player than continue with this ttf mediocrity.
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    @Bilal7 what are your thoughts now?

    Very interested.

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    Sarfraz needs to be booted out ASAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Sarfraz keeping is rubbish and has been for a while.
    Wouldn't even pick him for Pakistan A. I don't have any trust in the fitness scores that were published quite recently and I also think he's at least 35 because if you think about it a lot of batsmen actually peak 29-33 and I believe he was in this age bracket from 2014-2016. Once you're 35+ that's when it starts to go downhill.

    Fitness and age are the reasons why he's not performing not because he's some mediocre cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Wouldn't even pick him for Pakistan A. I don't have any trust in the fitness scores that were published quite recently and I also think he's at least 35 because if you think about it a lot of batsmen actually peak 29-33 and I believe he was in this age bracket from 2014-2016. Once you're 35+ that's when it starts to go downhill.

    Fitness and age are the reasons why he's not performing not because he's some mediocre cricketer.

    Yo yo test isn't proof of a player being fit. It's nothing to do with his age , he is just a rubbish player as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    @Bilal7 what are your thoughts now?

    Very interested.
    What has changed? I don't agree with people saying that he is a rubbish keeper, that is a ridiculous assessment. He is a good keeper. His captaincy was pretty good in the last game but Khawaja and Paine denied Pakistan.

    It's good to see him batting at #7. That is where he belongs in all formats. Have six good batsmen above him and InshAllah, we'll get back to winning matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Yo yo test isn't proof of a player being fit. It's nothing to do with his age , he is just a rubbish player as simple as that.
    Then what exactly does the Yo-Yo test measure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    What has changed? I don't agree with people saying that he is a rubbish keeper, that is a ridiculous assessment. He is a good keeper. His captaincy was pretty good in the last game but Khawaja and Paine denied Pakistan.

    It's good to see him batting at #7. That is where he belongs in all formats. Have six good batsmen above him and InshAllah, we'll get back to winning matches.
    Did you even see the match- Sarfaraz missed two easy stumping chances, ran himself out stupidly & missed out referring a plumb lbw. Not to mention, that on the final day he laid out a defensive field till the last half hour & his bowler changes, field placements made no sense at all. Nothing about this screams even average captaincy. IMO - he has completely lost it as a batsman, wicket-keeper & more importantly, as a captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Then what exactly does the Yo-Yo test measure?
    Your endurance. Passing a yoyo test doesn't mean you have great fitness. Also he has only passed the last one which was done, previously he was failing them so if you think it's a good barometer for fitness he has been failing until the last one anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    What has changed? I don't agree with people saying that he is a rubbish keeper, that is a ridiculous assessment. He is a good keeper. His captaincy was pretty good in the last game but Khawaja and Paine denied Pakistan.

    It's good to see him batting at #7. That is where he belongs in all formats. Have six good batsmen above him and InshAllah, we'll get back to winning matches.
    Excellent response - worthy of a loyal fan.

    I have also noticed - Sarfraz is doing outstandingly in KPIs that are measured subjectively - keeping, leadership, motivation, team building, tactics ...

    Only needs a bit improvement in KPIs that come with numbers - runs, average, SR, 50/100, bye's conceded, dropped catches/missed stumping, W/L (against teams ranked 7 & above ....).

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    Of course he has to bat well. Gone are the days where you can get away with being a bad batsman as a keeper. I think captaining in all 3 formats is taking a toll on him, physically AND mentally. I also think that lack of alternatives as a keeper is saving him, but he really does need a big score sooner rather than later.

    I think in at least one of the formats he should give up captaincy, unfortunately there are not many alternatives as a captain either. I think if he was to give up captaincy in one format, most likely it would be Tests but I'm not sure who else it could be given to.

    But I can't see him as a player or a captain going anywhere in the near future due to lack of alternatives of both wicketkeepers AND captaincy candidates.

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    He is not a good captain. When the going gets tough he doesn't get behind his players but instead shouts and yells at them which makes Pakistan look like a backyard team not the one playing internationals.
    He should be relieved from the test and T20 captaincy and in ODIs he should only continue till the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Did you even see the match- Sarfaraz missed two easy stumping chances, ran himself out stupidly & missed out referring a plumb lbw. Not to mention, that on the final day he laid out a defensive field till the last half hour & his bowler changes, field placements made no sense at all. Nothing about this screams even average captaincy. IMO - he has completely lost it as a batsman, wicket-keeper & more importantly, as a captain.
    Irrelevant. One match proves absolutely nothing. Sarfaraz has been our keeper for a few years now and has been very good overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Your endurance. Passing a yoyo test doesn't mean you have great fitness. Also he has only passed the last one which was done, previously he was failing them so if you think it's a good barometer for fitness he has been failing until the last one anyway.


    Endurance is the biggest indicator of fitness, if not the biggest. Stop worrying about whether Sarfaraz has abs or not and judge him on his results. The fact that he was failing them before and is now passing them means that he is improving which is a good thing and not something that you can criticize him for.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Excellent response - worthy of a loyal fan.

    I have also noticed - Sarfraz is doing outstandingly in KPIs that are measured subjectively - keeping, leadership, motivation, team building, tactics ...

    Only needs a bit improvement in KPIs that come with numbers - runs, average, SR, 50/100, bye's conceded, dropped catches/missed stumping, W/L (against teams ranked 7 & above ....).
    I am not a fan of Sarfaraz. Also, you attempt at humor is very cringe-worthy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    What has changed? I don't agree with people saying that he is a rubbish keeper, that is a ridiculous assessment. He is a good keeper. His captaincy was pretty good in the last game but Khawaja and Paine denied Pakistan.

    It's good to see him batting at #7. That is where he belongs in all formats. Have six good batsmen above him and InshAllah, we'll get back to winning matches.
    I'm really shocked. You're certainly better than this and at being objective..

    Even if we go back to the 80s and include a "pure" keeper who is a dud with the bat, ball, leadership, tactics..

    His keeping is not good enough either. At best equivalent to Umar Akmal. Many missed chances this Test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    Pakistan cricket does not revolve around Sarfraz fans that keep finding illogical excuses to save his captaincy. The guy is leading Pakistan team not some Uganda XI. He can't enjoy free ride as a captain without performing and leading from the front. If he does not have the balls to lead this team then he should be sacked. We can't go through this torture for any longer. I would rather invest in some young player than continue with this ttf mediocrity.
    Bring back the Akmals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I'm really shocked. You're certainly better than this and at being objective..

    Even if we go back to the 80s and include a "pure" keeper who is a dud with the bat, ball, leadership, tactics..

    His keeping is not good enough either. At best equivalent to Umar Akmal. Many missed chances this Test.
    I am being objective since I've never been a fan of Sarfaraz Ahmed's, especially the current Sarfaraz Ahmed that has forgotten how to hold a bat. However, people are blaming him for the failings of the specialist batsmen which is wrong. Then there are people like you who have been so blinded by his failings with the bat that they start calling him a "dud" captain and wicket-keeper (which is what Umar Akmal was). This guy helped win us a Champions Trophy, lest you forget, along with a test match in England.


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    Pakistan is the only nation that allows such disgrace. Even a minnow nation would of removed the skipper if they’ve had the run sarfraz has had. I’d rather bring back kamran Akmal that’s how bad sarfraz and his belly is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I am being objective since I've never been a fan of Sarfaraz Ahmed's, especially the current Sarfaraz Ahmed that has forgotten how to hold a bat. However, people are blaming him for the failings of the specialist batsmen which is wrong. Then there are people like you who have been so blinded by his failings with the bat that they start calling him a "dud" captain and wicket-keeper (which is what Umar Akmal was). This guy helped win us a Champions Trophy, lest you forget, along with a test match in England.
    I was a huge fan of his.

    Saw the light an year ago. He's not a leader, not a good tactician, cannot hold the bat (barring that small purple patch).

    CT is history - more than a year of shocking leadership, batting, and wicket-keeping has no excuses.

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    He was never what some PP fans here yhought he was.. as a keeper he is better than kami, then again thats not a high bar. As a batsman, he is nowhere close to kami. He did hit a purple patch a while back and now we all believe he is that good.. but he isnt. There was a reason why for the first several games during the world cup, the think tank didnt try him as opener. They knew of his capacity as a batsman. He punched above his weight when he got the chance and solidified his spot.

    Years later, maybe age or a bit of bad fitness is catching up with him. He is no dhoni or gilchrist.

    The sad truth is, we may not have anyother options..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    He was never what some PP fans here yhought he was.. as a keeper he is better than kami, then again thats not a high bar. As a batsman, he is nowhere close to kami. He did hit a purple patch a while back and now we all believe he is that good.. but he isnt. There was a reason why for the first several games during the world cup, the think tank didnt try him as opener. They knew of his capacity as a batsman. He punched above his weight when he got the chance and solidified his spot.

    Years later, maybe age or a bit of bad fitness is catching up with him. He is no dhoni or gilchrist.

    The sad truth is, we may not have anyother options..
    Overall, he was never a better WK than Kamran. Kamran went to AUS in 2005 & Ian Chappell praised him to be the successor of Gilchrist as the best WK in world (SCG Test, Day 3), and IC hardly praises any non Aussie. Kamran was so good that he made PAK team as batsman as well & opened in ODI - in that 2-3 years patch, he was damn good with bat & gloves. May be, you can say that worse of Kamran is probably worse than Sarfraz’s worse; but his peak was way better than Sarfraz’s peak.

    But, he was just like his youngest bro - not serious about developing own game. He went to UK in 2006 series hiding injury and probably got married at same time which added few stones in no time - he had a horrible series in UK with gloves & never could reach his true potential. Otherwise, by volume this guy would have broken almost every PAK domestic & international records by now.

    Sarfraz was never a good keeper - at best a decent, workable one. You can check my post (probably in Rameez Raza comment thread), where I did mention that once he becomes regular in PAK team, his Keeping will go down from complacency as he is not a natural keeper - a workman like WK version of Azhar Ali, looks horrible when out of form. And, his work ethics is as poor as Kamran - I use a term for WKs - “Karman Akmal syndrome” - WK is the most cumbersome job in the game, and is a natural bunker gets the comfort of being invincible in team, Kamran Akmal (actually Akmal) syndromes can happen.

    If you look at Sarfraz’s batting, it’s not that he is in poor form for which, he is putting a series of single digit scores or ducks - rather he is constantly getting out after 39-40 minutes in middle, often to a poor shots, that indicates lack of ability more than anything else. Once Mark Waugh score 5 ducks & a single in SRL, but he wasn’t dropped; then Mark Taylor went like 17 innings (or Test) without a Test 50, before scoring 334* & 100+ against PAK at Rawalpindi - he wasn’t dropped or sacked as Captain either. Because class is permanent, form is temporary - for Sarfraz, what we are watching is his class, and PCB made him captain in 3 formats based on temporary form..... hence PTC is suffering.
    Last edited by MMHS; 14th October 2018 at 16:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Irrelevant. One match proves absolutely nothing. Sarfaraz has been our keeper for a few years now and has been very good overall.





    Endurance is the biggest indicator of fitness, if not the biggest. Stop worrying about whether Sarfaraz has abs or not and judge him on his results. The fact that he was failing them before and is now passing them means that he is improving which is a good thing and not something that you can criticize him for.



    I am not a fan of Sarfaraz. Also, you attempt at humor is very cringe-worthy.
    So asking a professional sportsman to look like an athlete is too much to ask ?


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