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    Istanbul prosecutor indicts Saudi suspects for Khashoggi killing [Post #85]

    Fears are growing over missing Washington Post writer Jamal Khashoggi, after Turkish officials said they believed he had been murdered.

    Mr Khashoggi, a Saudi national, went missing after visiting the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Tuesday.

    A Turkish official told the BBC that initial investigations indicated he was murdered there.

    Saudi Arabia has denied the accusations, saying it is "working to search for him".

    The Washington Post said it would be a "monstrous and unfathomable act" if he had been killed.

    An official of Turkey's ruling AK Party told broadcaster CNN Turk there was concrete evidence in the case, although none has yet been presented.

    She said Mr Khashoggi was required to surrender his mobile phone, which is standard practice in some diplomatic missions. He told her to call an adviser to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan if he did not return.

    "Jamal is not dead. I cannot believe that he has been killed...!" Ms Cengiz wrote in a Twitter post that included a photo of Mr Khashoggi. She added that she was waiting for official confirmation as the allegations circulated.

    Investigators said a 15-person team arrived at the consulate on Tuesday, returning to Riyadh the same day.

    The head of the Turkish-Arab Media Association, Turan Kislakci, told the New York Times that Turkish police officers providing security for the consulate had checked their security cameras and did not see the journalist leave on foot.

    But he added that diplomatic cars had been seen moving in and out.

    Mr Erdogan was more circumspect, saying on Sunday he remained "positive" and would await the results of an investigation as Turkish authorities continue to look at camera footage and airport arrivals and departures.

    What have the Saudis said?
    Saudi Arabia said the allegations were baseless. It has allowed reporters into the consulate to show Mr Khashoggi is not there.

    On Wednesday, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told Bloomberg News that Turkish authorities were welcome to search the building because "we have nothing to hide".

    The prince said the Saudis were "very keen to know what happened to him", saying his understanding was that Mr Khashoggi left "after a few minutes or one hour".

    When asked if Mr Khashoggi faced charges in Saudi Arabia, the crown prince said his country would need to know where he was first.

    This is a bombshell allegation by Turkey. And while the authorities here are so far not providing evidence to back it up, it's inconceivable that such a claim would have been made without firm grounds. Ankara's relationship with Riyadh is too important to jeopardise on the basis of unsubstantiated rumour.

    That relationship is already strained over several issues, including Turkey's support for Qatar in the blockade by Saudi Arabia; its closeness to the Muslim Brotherhood - blacklisted by Riyadh as a terrorist organisation; and its rapprochement with Saudi Arabia's arch-rival Iran. But if proven, the murder of Jamal Khashoggi would be the most serious diplomatic crisis between the two in living memory.

    Turkey would hope for backing from its Nato ally, the US. But Saudi Arabia has arguably become Donald Trump's closest ally in the Middle East - and Washington may be reluctant to weigh in against Riyadh at this stage.

    Who is Jamal Khashoggi?
    He is a high-profile critic of the crown prince. Mr Khashoggi, 59, has more than 1.6 million Twitter followers and has written for the Washington Post opinion section.

    The crown prince has unveiled reforms praised by the West while carrying out an apparent crackdown on dissent. Human and women's rights activists, intellectuals and clerics have been arrested - meanwhile, Saudi Arabia is waging a war in Yemen that has triggered a humanitarian crisis.

    A former editor of the al-Watan newspaper and a short-lived Saudi TV news channel, Mr Khashoggi was for years seen as close to the Saudi royal family. He served as an adviser to senior Saudi officials.

    After several of his friends were arrested, his column was cancelled by the al-Hayat newspaper and he was allegedly warned to stop tweeting, Mr Khashoggi left Saudi Arabia for the US, from where he wrote opinion pieces for the Washington Post and continued to appear on Arab and Western TV channels.

    "I have left my home, my family and my job, and I am raising my voice," he wrote in September 2017. "To do otherwise would betray those who languish in prison. I can speak when so many cannot."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45775819
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    Bin Salman certainly is going after his critics. Actually, there are no gentle Mideast dictators. Assad for example just emerged victorious in a war to maintain his rule in which about half a million people died. Rulers of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, etc. will all the the amount of killing necessary to hold on to power. Whether that number is a hundred or a hundred thousand only depends upon the nature of the opposition.

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    Jamal Khashoggi: Saudi journalist 'murdered and dismembered' after going to consulate

    Turkish officials say they have concrete evidence missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered, with a friend of the prominent writer saying they think he may have been dismembered.

    A contributor to The Washington Post, Khashoggi has not been seen since Tuesday last week, when he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, to collect papers for his upcoming wedding.

    Saudi officials said he left shortly afterwards but his fiancee, who was waiting outside, said he never came out.

    Khashoggi, 59, who was once close to the Saudi royal family and has served as an adviser for senior Saudi officials, left the country last year to live in the US in self-imposed exile, saying he feared retribution for his criticism of Saudi policy in the Yemen war and its crackdown on dissent.

    Turan Kislakci, a friend of Khashoggi and the head of the Turkish-Arab Media Association, told Associated Press that Turkish officials said the journalist has been brutally murdered.

    "What was explained to us is this: 'He was killed, make your funeral preparations'," Mr Kislakci said.

    Mr Kislakci also alleged, based on conversations with officials he did not name, that Khashoggi was made to "faint", then was dismembered.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he was closely following the case and that officials were examining camera footage and airport records as part of their investigation into the disappearance.

    "Entries and exits into the embassy, airport transits and all camera records are being looked at and followed. We want to swiftly get results," he said, adding without explanation: "My expectation is still positive."

    But two Turkish sources told Reuters they believed Khashoggi was deliberately killed inside the consulate.

    Saudi sources deny the accusations as baseless.

    Last week, Prince Mohammed bin Salman said there was "nothing to hide", telling Bloomberg that Turkish authorities were welcome to search the consulate building and investigate.

    In a statement, The Post said it would be a "monstrous and unfathomable act" if the reports of the murder are true.

    "He writes out of a sense of love for his country and deep faith in human dignity and freedom."

    A graduate of Indiana State University, Khashoggi began his career in the 1980s, covering the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the decade-long war that followed for the English-language daily Saudi Gazette.

    He travelled extensively in the Middle East, covering Algeria's 1990s war against Islamic militants, and the Islamists' rise in Sudan, even interviewing Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan before al-Qaida was formed.

    Khashoggi rubbed shoulders with the Saudi royal family and supported efforts to nudge the kingdom's entrenched ultra-conservative clerics to accept reforms.

    He served as media adviser to Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former spy chief who was at the time the ambassador to the United States.

    Throughout his career he has been critical of authorities, frequently defending moderate Islamists and criticising Saudi foreign policy in the Middle East, particularly in Egypt and Syria.

    In a September 23 interview with Turkey-based Syrian opposition television station just days before he disappeared, Khashoggi said foreign called Saudi Arabia's foreign policy "narrow minded", and ridiculed its crackdown on political Islam.

    "This was a critical period in Arab history. I had to take a position. The Arab world had waited for this moment of freedom for a thousand years," Khashoggi said.

    He disappeared just eight days later, with many pointing to his critique of Prince Mohammed and his policy as the reason behind his disappearance and alleged murder.

    "As of now, I would say Mohammed bin Salman is acting like [Russian President Vladimir] Putin. He is imposing very selective justice," Khashoggi wrote in The Post last year after he fled the kingdom.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-0...-says/10349786

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    Only two posts in this thread ? A journalist has just been assassinated in a foreign land.

    Wonder what the likes of Tom Friedman and the other western journalists who fell for this "MBS is a reformist" crap have to say.

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    Saudi have gone beyond the pail/pale? just as Russia did by targeting British citizens/guests on British soil.

    Of course Israel have been allowed to get away with this for years and that is just another attack dog/puppet of Western imperialism.

    But this axis of evil between Trump-Netanyahu-MbS has to be stopped before it goes from 'mere' war-crimes and atrocities to full scale genocide

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    Trump 'concerned' about missing journalist; Saudis deny involvement

    Washington (CNN) - President Donald Trump said Monday that he was "concerned" about reports on the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a Washington Post writer and Saudi royal court insider-turned-critic.

    "I am concerned about that," Trump said. "I don't like hearing about it and hopefully that will sort itself out. Right now, nobody knows anything about it."
    "There's some pretty bad stories about it. I do not like it," he added.

    Trump's comments coincided with a vehement denial from Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the US, Prince Khalid bin Salman bin Abdulaziz, who said claims that Khashoggi had been killed or detained by Saudi authorities were "absolutely false, and baseless," according to a statement obtained by CNN.

    "There are many facts regarding his whereabouts that will hopefully be revealed through the ongoing investigation. Despite that, we have seen over the last few days various malicious leaks and grim rumors flying around about Jamal's whereabouts and fate," the statement says.

    "I assure you that the reports that suggest that Jamal Khashoggi went missing in the Consulate in Istanbul or that the Kingdom's authorities have detained him or killed him are absolutely false, and baseless," it notes.

    Vice President Mike Pence also weighed in on Khashoggi's disappearance, saying on Twitter, "Deeply troubled to hear reports about Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi. If true, this is a tragic day. Violence against journalists across the globe is a threat to freedom of the press & human rights. The free world deserves answers."

    It was the first time Trump has weighed in on the situation involving Khashoggi, who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last Tuesday.

    Earlier on Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saudi Arabia should prove that Khashoggi has, in fact, left the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

    "He entered the general consulate himself, and if he has entered by himself and if he did not exit it, of course this should be proven by the general consulate," Erdogan said at a news conference in Budapest.

    Erdogan said the Saudi consulate should have surveillance cameras and should be able to show the video of Khashoggi leaving the building. He mentioned that there are no documents or other evidence that show the journalist departing.

    Turkish officials told the The Washington Post and Reuters on Saturday that Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate. The officials have so far provided no evidence or details on how they arrived at this conclusion.

    "I am following it up as the President of the Turkish Republic," Erdogan told reporters in Ankara on Sunday, while confirming that he had known Khashoggi for some time and considered him a friend.

    The Justice Ministry and the chief prosecutor in Istanbul "started an investigation and efforts are continuing," Erdogan said. Airport entrances and exits are being investigated.

    "At the moment there are certain people who arrived from Saudi Arabia. And our chief investigator is investigating everything in this matter."

    Khashoggi, who left Saudia Arabia in 2017, entered the consulate last Tuesday to obtain documents for his upcoming marriage while his Turkish fiance waited outside. She says she never saw him re-emerge.

    A Saudi official said Khashoggi left the consulate shortly after he visited. The Saudis did not, however, release any surveillance footage or other evidence.

    CNN reported Sunday that the US government is quietly working Khashoggi's case across several agencies and at senior levels of the administration.

    Two senior administration officials said the administration has no verifiable information to confirm the Turkish government claims that Khashoggi was killed but that the US is seeking answers about his whereabouts -- and talking to senior levels of Saudi government.

    In his statement to CNN, the Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the US said Saudi investigators are working with Turkish authorities to determine what happened to Kashoggi.

    "Jamal is a Saudi citizen whose safety and security is a top priority for the Kingdom, just as is the case with any other citizen. We will not spare any effort to locate him, just as we would if it were any other Saudi citizen," it said.

    The incident has put into sharp focus Saudi Arabia's young Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's perceived crackdown on dissidents, his kingdom's delicate relationship with Turkey and Khashoggi 's influence within the royal court.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/08/p...ggi/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Only two posts in this thread ? A journalist has just been assassinated in a foreign land.

    Wonder what the likes of Tom Friedman and the other western journalists who fell for this "MBS is a reformist" crap have to say.
    If you can somehow blame Trump then CNN would be all over it.

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    Saudi and Chinese establishment... Scums of the earth.

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    Shocking.

    Let's hope for the best.

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    What the media arent telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

    As someone who spent three decades working closely with intelligence services in the Arab world and the West, the Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi knew he was taking a huge risk in entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week to try to obtain a document certifying he had divorced his ex-wife.

    A one-time regime insider turned critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman the de facto head of the Saudi kingdom which tolerates no criticism whatsoever Khashoggi had been living in Washington for the previous year in self-imposed exile amid a crackdown on independent voices in his homeland.

    He had become the darling of western commentators on the Middle East. With almost two million Twitter followers, he was the most famous political pundit in the Arab world and a regular guest on the major TV news networks in Britain and the United States. Would the Saudis dare to cause him harm? It turns out that the answer to that question was You betcha.

    Following uneventful visits to the consulate and, earlier, the Saudi embassy in Washington, Khashoggi was lured into a murderous plan so brazen, so barbaric, that it would seem far-fetched as a subplot in a John le Carr novel. He went inside the Istanbul consulate, but failed to emerge. Turkish police and intelligence officials claimed that a team of 15 hitmen carrying Saudi diplomatic passports arrived the same morning on two private jets. Their convoy of limousines arrived at the consulate building shortly before Khashoggi did.

    Their not-so-secret mission? To torture, then execute, Khashoggi, and videotape the ghastly act for whoever had given the order for his merciless dispatch. Khashoggis body, Turkish officials say, was dismembered and packed into boxes before being whisked away in a black van with darkened windows. The assassins fled the country.
    Saudi denials were swift. The ambassador to Washington said reports that Saudi authorities had killed Khashoggi were absolutely false. But under the circumstances with his fiance waiting for him, and no security cameras finding any trace of his leaving the embassy the world is left wondering if bin Salman directed this murder. When another Saudi official chimed in that with no body, there is no crime, it was unclear whether he was being ironic. Is this great reforming prince, with aims the West applauds, using brutal methods to dispose of his enemies? What we have learned so far is far from encouraging. A Turkish newspaper close to the government this week published the photographs and names of the alleged Saudi hitmen, and claims to have identified three of them as members of bin Salmans personal protection team.

    There are also reports in the American media that all surveillance footage was removed from the consulate building, and that all local Turkish employees there were suddenly given the day off. According to the New York Times, among the assassination team was the kingdoms top forensic expert, who brought a bone saw to dismember Khashoggis body. None of this has yet been independently verified, but a very dark narrative is emerging.

    In many respects, bin Salmans regime has been revolutionary: he has let women drive, sided with Israel against Iran and curtailed the religious police. When Boris Johnson was foreign secretary, he said that bin Salman was the best thing to happen to the region in at least a decade, that the style of government of this 33-year-old prince was utterly different. But the cruelty and the bloodletting have not stopped. Saudi Arabia still carries out many public beheadings and other draconian corporal punishments. It continues to wage a war in Yemen which has killed at least 10,000 civilians.

    Princes and businessmen caught up in a corruption crackdown are reported to have been tortured; Shia demonstrators have been mowed down in the streets and had their villages reduced to rubble; social media activists have been sentenced to thousands of lashes; families of overseas-based activists have been arbitrarily arrested. In an attempt to justify this, bin Salman said this week he was trying to get rid of extremism and terrorism without civil war, without stopping the country from growing, with continuous progress in all elements, adding: So if there is a small price in that area, its better than paying a big debt to do that move.

    The fate of Khashoggi has at least provoked global outrage, but its for all the wrong reasons. We are told he was a liberal, Saudi progressive voice fighting for freedom and democracy, and a martyr who paid the ultimate price for telling the truth to power. This is not just wrong, but distracts us from understanding what the incident tells us about the internal power dynamics of a kingdom going through an unprecedented period of upheaval. It is also the story of how one man got entangled in a Saudi ruling family that operates like the Mafia. Once you join, its for life, and if you try to leave, you become disposable.

    In truth, Khashoggi never had much time for western-style pluralistic democracy. In the 1970s he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, which exists to rid the Islamic world of western influence. He was a political Islamist until the end, recently praising the Muslim Brotherhood in the Washington Post. He championed the moderate Islamist opposition in Syria, whose crimes against humanity are a matter of record. Khashoggi frequently sugarcoated his Islamist beliefs with constant references to freedom and democracy. But he never hid that he was in favour of a Muslim Brotherhood arc throughout the Middle East. His recurring plea to bin Salman in his columns was to embrace not western-style democracy, but the rise of political Islam which the Arab Spring had inadvertently given rise to. For Khashoggi, secularism was the enemy.

    He had been a journalist in the 1980s and 1990s, but then became more of a player than a spectator. Before working with a succession of Saudi princes, he edited Saudi newspapers. The exclusive remit a Saudi governmentappointed newspaper editor has is to ensure nothing remotely resembling honest journalism makes it into the pages. Khashoggi put the money in the bank making a handsome living was always his top priority. Actions, anyway, speak louder than words.

    It was Yasin Aktay a former MP for Turkeys ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) whom Khashoggi told his fiance to call if he did not emerge from the consulate. The AKP is, in effect, the Turkish branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. His most trusted friend, then, was an adviser to President Erdogan, who is fast becoming known as the most vicious persecutor of journalists on earth. Khashoggi never meaningfully criticised Erdogan. So we ought not to see this as the assassination of a liberal reformer.

    Khashoggi had this undeserved status in the West because of the publicity surrounding his sacking as editor of the Saudi daily Al Watan back in 2003. (I broke the news of his removal for Reuters. Id worked alongside Khashoggi at the Saudi daily Arab News during the preceding years.) He was dismissed because he allowed a columnist to criticise an Islamist thinker considered to be the founding father of Wahhabism. Thus, overnight, Khashoggi became known as a liberal progressive.

    The Muslim Brotherhood, though, has always been at odds with the Wahhabi movement. Khashoggi and his fellow travellers believe in imposing Islamic rule by engaging in the democratic process. The Wahhabis loathe democracy as a western invention. Instead, they choose to live life as it supposedly existed during the time of the Muslim prophet. In the final analysis, though, they are different means to achieving the same goal: Islamist theocracy. This matters because, although bin Salman has rejected Wahhabism to the delight of the West he continues to view the Muslim Brotherhood as the main threat most likely to derail his vision for a new Saudi Arabia. Most of the Islamic clerics in Saudi Arabia who have been imprisoned over the past two years Khashoggis friends have historic ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Khashoggi had therefore emerged as a de facto leader of the Saudi branch. Due to his profile and influence, he was the biggest political threat to bin Salmans rule outside of the royal family.

    Worse, from the royals point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

    Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latters ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information.

    The Saudis, too, may have worried that Khashoggi had become a US asset. In Washington in 2005, a senior Pentagon official told me of a ridiculous plan they had to take the Saudi out of Arabia (as was the rage post-9/11). It involved establishing a council of selected Saudi figures in Mecca to govern the country under US auspices after the US took control of the oil. He named three Saudis the Pentagon team were in regular contact with regarding the project. One of them was Khashoggi. A fantasy, certainly, but it shows how highly he was regarded by those imagining a different Saudi Arabia.

    Perhaps it was for this and other reasons and working according to the dictum of keeping your enemies closer that a few weeks ago, according to a friend of Khashoggi, bin Salman had made a traditional tribal offer of reconciliation offering him a place as an adviser if he returned to the kingdom. Khashoggi had declined because of moral and religious principles. And that may have been the fatal snub, not least because Khashoggi had earlier this year established a new political party in the US called Democracy for the Arab World Now, which would support Islamist gains in democratic elections throughout the region. Bin Salmans nightmare of a Khashoggi-led Islamist political opposition was about to become a reality.

    The West has been fawning over bin Salman. But how now to overlook what seems to be a brazen Mafia-style murder? I dont like hearing about it, Donald Trump said. Nobody knows anything about it, but theres some pretty bad stories going around. I do not like it. Well, there are plenty more stories where that came from, stories about a ruthless prince whose opponents have a habit of disappearing. The fate of Khashoggi is the latest sign of whats really happening inside Saudi Arabia. For how much longer will our leaders look the other way?

    https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

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    Saudi government considers plan to admit missing journalist Khashoggi was killed in its consulate

    The Saudi Arabian government is considering a plan to admit that missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside its consulate in Istanbul, NBC News reported Monday.

    Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist and a critic of the Saudi royal family, entered the consulate on Oct. 2 and has not been seen since. While the Saudis insisted that he left the consulate safely that day, Turkish officials claimed that he was murdered by a team of Saudi operatives while inside.

    Now the Saudi government is reportedly discussing a change of stance, admitting that Khashoggi was killed in the consulate but denying that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered or even knew about the killing.

    The kingdom could assert that Khashoggi was killed by rogue operatives in an interrogation gone wrong, among other possible explanations that they are considering, according to the report.

    The U.S. has considered imposing sanctions on Saudi Arabia if it is found that they had a role in Khashoggi's disappearance, with President Donald Trump even threatening the country with "severe punishment." Many business leaders have also withdrawn from the Future Investment Initiative conference set to take place next week in the capital city of Riyadh.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/saud...consulate.html

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    Caught with their pants down, lying rat pucks.

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    Turkey must have had the embassy bugged lol

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    Turkey must have had the embassy bugged lol
    This is nothing but a Wahabbi vs Muslim Brotherhood match. Would be more entretaining than McGregor vs Khabib. They designate each other as terrorists but both are legal in USA & the West.

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    Jamal Khashoggi: Turkey widens search for clues to disappearance

    Turkey is widening its search for clues to the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi to include the Saudi consul's Istanbul residence.


    The consulate itself, where Mr Khashoggi was last seen on 2 October, was searched by Turkish investigators on Monday for the first time.

    The consul, Mohammad al-Otaibi has now left Turkey, local media report.

    Pressure is growing on Saudi Arabia to give a full explanation of what happened to Mr Khashoggi.

    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has been meeting Saudi leaders in Riyadh and is expected in Turkey later.

    Turkish officials believe Mr Khashoggi was murdered by Saudi agents, but the Saudis have denied this.

    Overnight, Turkish police completed a search of the consulate after being allowed in by Saudi authorities.

    But, according to Turkish media, Mr al-Otaibi left Turkey on a commercial flight bound for Saudi Arabia hours before his official residence was due to be searched.

    The decision to widen the search was announced to reporters by Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, who added that he had received no "confession" from the Saudis.

    Turkish sources released security video last week of cars with diplomatic plates driving between the consulate and the consul's residence on the day Mr Khashoggi was last seen.

    What has come out of the Pompeo meeting?
    The secretary of state has been meeting King Salman, the powerful Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir in Riyadh.

    Mr Pompeo thanked the king for his "commitment to a thorough, transparent investigation", state department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said.

    The crown prince also agreed on the need for an investigation that "provides answers", she said.


    The secretary of state was dispatched to Riyadh on Monday after Mr Trump spoke to King Salman on the phone.

    According to Mr Trump, King Salman denied "any knowledge of whatever may have happened 'to our Saudi Arabian citizen'."


    The president described the denial as "very, very strong" and raised the possibility that "rogue killers" may have been involved.

    A leading Republican senator and defender of US-Saudi links, Lindsey Graham, has been highly critical of the Saudi crown prince.

    "This guy's gotta go," he said on Tuesday morning, describing the heir apparent as a "wrecking ball".

    Reputations may be forever tainted
    By Frank Gardner, BBC News

    The recent, highly charged exchange of words between Washington and Riyadh now appears to have given way to a mutual search for the least bad explanation. Both countries' leaders know they have an enormous amount to lose if this affair ends up splitting apart their 73-year-old strategic partnership.

    Iran, as the regional rival to Saudi Arabia, would be the prime beneficiary if the Saudis were to lose their defensive US umbrella. President Trump is also correct when he says thousands of US jobs would be lost, with China and Russia to be among those lining up to replace them.

    Which begs the wider question: is the West's relationship with Saudi Arabia so important that it outweighs the need to condemn and punish what many believe was a state-sponsored murder of a journalist inside a consulate?

    Hence the urgent dispatching of US secretary of state for talks with the Saudi leadership. In private there may well be some strong words, in public both countries may want to present a united stand. But one thing is certain: whatever narrative emerges, the international reputation of the Saudi crown prince and power-behind-the-throne Mohammed Bin Salman will forever be tainted by this affair.

    Is this the end of Saudi prince's honeymoon?
    What has the consulate search revealed?
    It is still not clear. But unnamed official appears to have told the Associated Press that police found "certain evidence" showing Mr Khashoggi was killed there. No further details were given.

    For the first time since the journalist disappeared two weeks ago, Turkish investigators were allowed to enter the building.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave a further insight into the direction the investigation is taking when he spoke to reporters in parliament.

    "My hope is that we can reach conclusions that will give us a reasonable opinion as soon as possible, because the investigation is looking into many things such as toxic materials and those materials being removed by painting them over," he said.

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    The search of the consulate went into the early hours of Tuesday
    A group of Saudi officials entered first on Monday, followed roughly an hour later by Turkish forensic police.

    The Turkish investigators - some wearing overalls, gloves and covered shoes - stayed for about nine hours, leaving in the early hours of Tuesday.

    They reportedly took with them samples, including of soil from the consulate garden and a metal gate.

    What are US media reporting?
    The New York Times and CNN, quoting unnamed sources, reported that Saudi Arabia would acknowledge that Mr Khashoggi's death was the result of an interrogation that went wrong.

    The intention had been only to abduct him from Turkey, the sources said.

    Saudi UK envoy 'concerned' over Khashoggi
    Turkish press trail Khashoggi's last steps
    Saudi ties with West at risk over Khashoggi
    This may explain in part Mr Trump's "rogue killers" line, though it would still leave questions unanswered.

    CNN said the Saudis may argue the operation was conducted without clearance and those responsible would be held accountable.

    The Khashoggi family in Saudi Arabia issued a statement calling for an "independent and impartial international commission".

    What allegedly happened in Istanbul?
    Media captionCCTV footage shows missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.
    Mr Khashoggi, a critic of the Saudi government who has written for the Washington Post, was last seen walking into the consulate.

    The journalist who vanished into a consulate
    Why Khashoggi case alarms Saudi activists
    Reports suggest an assault and struggle took place in the consulate after Mr Khashoggi went to get paperwork for his forthcoming marriage.

    Turkish sources allege he was killed by a 15-strong team of Saudi agents but Riyadh initially insisted that he had left the consulate unharmed.

    Mr Khashoggi was once an adviser to the Saudi royal family but fell out of favour with the country's rulers and went into self-imposed exile. He had obtained US residency.

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    Missing journalist: Top Saudi diplomat 'leaves Turkey' before Istanbul home due to be searched

    Saudi Arabia's top diplomat in Istanbul has reportedly left Turkey, hours after it was announced his official residence would be searched in connection with a journalist's disappearance.

    Mohammed al-Otaibi, the Saudi consul general, apparently left on a 2pm flight as security forces set up barricades outside his residence in the city.

    It comes as police who searched the nearby Saudi consulate found evidence dissident writer Jamal Khashoggi died there, according to a senior Turkish official.

    Saudi Mr Khashoggi, a 60-year-old US resident, has not been seen since entering the building on 2 October to get documents for his wedding.

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    How can people commit such gruesome murder, if the reports coming out are true. Where is the humanity? Muslims are not making the lives easy for themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    How can people commit such gruesome murder, if the reports coming out are true. Where is the humanity? Muslims are not making the lives easy for themselves.
    The reason muslims are where they are is because of people like the saud family. This family is full of rogue characters who only care about themselves. They yield so much power in the muslim world and do nothing but live in luxury with 80 wives. How pathetic that these people are the custodians of the holiest places in Islam.

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    Poor bloke, all sounds very grisly considering the reports that the Saudi agents were seen leaving the consulate with boxes.

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    Saudi suspect in journalists murder trained in Melbourne

    A Saudi doctor implicated in the suspected assassination and dismemberment of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi trained for three months with the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine.

    Turkish officials have named Dr Salah al-Tubaigy as one of 15 men placed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 when Khashoggi is suspected to have been killed.

    Former director of the VIFM Stephen Cordner this morning confirmed Dr al-Tubaigy had studied at the institute in 2015, adding that Dr al-Tubaigy had trained as a doctor in Saudi Arabia and had also been trained in the UK before coming to Melbourne.

    He became really the senior forensic doctor in Saudi Arabia, he was head of the Saudi forensic medicine commission, Professor Cordner said.

    He said part of Dr al-Tubaigys responsibilities in Saudi Arabia was dealing with disasters in particular deaths arising from pilgrimages to Mecca.

    One of his responsibilities was dealing with that and managing the dead and helping to identify them and of course thats a space we have been involved in quite a lot over the last decade, Professor Cordner said.

    He approached us on the basis of his interest in mass disasters really.

    Professor Cordner said Dr al-Tubaigy was sponsored by the Saudi government for his three month placement with the VIFM in 2015.

    His particular interest was CT scans, he did get familiar with the use of our CT scanner, Professor Cordner said.

    He didnt do any autopsies, he wasnt entitled or registered specifically to actually undertake an autopsy but he did attend autopsies he really just attended things that happened in the building.

    When questioned by ABC Melbourne radio host Jon Faine about Dr al-Tubigays alleged role in the assassination of Khashoggi, Professor Cordner said: It wouldnt be the only country where doctors get involved with nefarious activity.

    He told Faine some doctors around the world abandon the values of what most of us like to think of as a noble profession.

    He said that around the world, some forensic doctors attend police interrogations.

    [They] might even take part in supervising some of that interrogation, may even be asked by the interrogators whether they can do particular things with whatever consequences, he said.

    They might even be involved in torture and they might even be involved in worse.

    Asked whether Australian doctors should train people from countries and regimes with questionable records, Professor Cordner said the institute considered the individuals circumstances.

    We approach them as though theyre honest people dealing with us, wanting to improve the life of the people in the country they come from, he said.

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    Turkish police search forest and seaside city for remains of missing journalist

    Turkish police are searching a forest on the outskirts of Istanbul and a city near the Sea of Marmara for the remains of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who disappeared two weeks ago after entering the Saudi consulate, two Turkish officials say.

    Investigators have also recovered "many samples" from their searches of the consulate and the consul's residence, the senior officials said, and will attempt to analyse those for traces of the DNA.

    They were seen leaving the consulate carrying large boxes.

    Turkish officials have said they believe the journalist, a US citizen and critic of Saudi rulers, was murdered inside the Saudi consulate building and his body chopped up and removed.

    Saudi Arabia has denied the allegations.

    Authorities widened the geographic focus of the search after tracking the routes and stops of cars that left the Saudi consulate and the consul's residence on October 2, the day Khashoggi was last seen, the senior officials said.

    Khashoggi's killers may have dumped his remains in Belgrad Forest adjacent to Istanbul, and at a rural location near the city of Yalova, a 90-kilometre drive south of Istanbul, the officials said.

    "The investigations led to some suspicion that his remains may be in the city of Yalova and the Belgrad forest, police have been searching these areas," one of the officials said.

    A "farm house or villa" may have been used for the disposal of remains, the official said.

    Turkish investigators have for a second time searched the Saudi consulate where Khashoggi disappeared, and also searched the consul's residence.

    Khashoggi went to the consulate seeking documents for his planned marriage and has not been seen since.

    Many samples, including soil and water, were taken from the consulate and the residence, the official said.

    All of the samples will be taken to analyse for traces of Khashoggi's DNA.

    Khashoggi's disappearance and likely death has caused an international outcry and strained relations between Saudi Arabia and the United States and European countries.

    The expanded search came as the US and other nations abandoned an upcoming Saudi investment summit and US President Donald Trump told reporters that it "certainly looks" like Khashoggi was dead.

    Mr Trump, following advice from US Secretary Mike Pompeo who had just returned from Riyadh where he met with the Crown Prince and King Salman said that the US response to Saudi Arabia will likely be "very severe", but that he still wanted to get to the bottom of what exactly happened.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...orest/10395374

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    US President Donald Trump said he found Saudi Arabia’s explanation about the death of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi credible and termed it an “important first step”.

    Trump said that if the US did take action over Khashoggi’s death -- which Saudi Arabia said came as a result of a fight at its consulate in Istanbul, while Turkish officials have pointed to a state-sanctioned hit -- he does not want it to impact arms sales to the kingdom.

    “I do, I do,” Trump said when asked if he found the Saudis’ explanation credible.

    “It’s early, we haven’t finished our review or investigation, but... I think it’s a very important first step,” Trump said.

    “I would prefer, if there is going to be some form of sanction or what we may determine to do, if anything... that we don’t use as retribution canceling $110 billion worth of work, which means 600,000 jobs,” he said during a visit to Arizona, referring to a major arms deal with the kingdom.

    Trump also said that sanctions against Saudi Arabia “could be” something he would consider, but that “it’s too early to say” how the US will respond for now.

    Trump has sent mixed messages about Khashoggi for days, vowing a severe response but also saying that the United States wants to preserve its close relationship with the conservative kingdom.

    Members of the US Congress were far harsher in the wake of the kingdom’s announcement of Khashoggi’s death.

    Senator Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally who has nonetheless been outspoken about Khashoggi, doubted the credibility of the Saudi authorities, which insisted for weeks that he left the consulate.


    “To say that I am skeptical of the new Saudi narrative about Mr Khashoggi is an understatement,” the Republican senator tweeted.

    Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the United States should pursue sanctions against Saudis involved in Khashoggi’s death under a US law named after Sergei Magnitsky, the anti-corruption Russian accountant who died in custody.

    “The Global Magnitsky Act doesn’t have exceptions for accidents. Even if Khashoggi died because of an altercation, that’s no excuse for his murder,” Menendez tweeted.

    “This is far from the end and we need to keep up the international pressure.”

    Khashoggi, a Washington Post contributor who lived in suburban Washington, was a former insider who turned into a critic of the kingdom’s direction under Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    He visited the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 to sort out marriage paperwork, but his fiancee saw nothing more of him after he entered.

    Representative Mike Coffman, one of a number of lawmakers from Trump’s Republican Party facing a tough race in November 6 elections, said the United States “must stand up for our values and demand our ‘allies’ respect human rights.” The Colorado lawmaker, who serves on the House Armed Services Committee, urged Trump to immediately recall the acting US ambassador from Saudi Arabia. Trump has yet to nominate a permanent envoy to the kingdom.

    United Nations chief Antonio Guterres meanwhile demanded that those responsible for Khashoggi’s death be held to account.

    “The Secretary-General is deeply troubled by the confirmation of the death of Jamal Khashoggi. He extends his condolences to Mr Khashoggi’s family and friends,” Guterres’s office said in a statement.

    “The Secretary-General stresses the need for a prompt, thorough and transparent investigation into the circumstances of Mr Khashoggi’s death and full accountability for those responsible.”

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    So a fight broke out, the journalist got killed and they kept it quiet and of course the body is missing.
    Top Saudi agents seen flying in and out of Turkey.....

    How on earth is any of this credible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    So a fight broke out, the journalist got killed and they kept it quiet and of course the body is missing.
    Top Saudi agents seen flying in and out of Turkey.....

    How on earth is any of this credible?
    Theyre looking to sweep this execution under the carpet and are hoping it will go away When a key mid east ally is saying this and potentially billions of dollars of trade and investment is on the line any half baked story no matter how concocted is credible

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    This just shows the true color of mbs and how his reforms were just a dramaybazi.

    Also, Erdogen's govt have also shown their true color.

    The press of turkey is not free. And yet there was a leak in the turkey press that they have audios of what took place.

    The fact that the press is not free there means that the govt itself is leaking news and audio.

    And the only reason they could be possibily doing this is they want want mbs to make an economical deal with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Theyre looking to sweep this execution under the carpet and are hoping it will go away When a key mid east ally is saying this and potentially billions of dollars of trade and investment is on the line any half baked story no matter how concocted is credible
    Just to add that initially the Saudi officials even did a quick tour opening cupboards and store rooms etc in a mocking way to show that of course no one was killed in their building...

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    Saudis are so stupid. I wonder who will take them seriously now, I don't see any western head of state visiting them for a long long time and if trump goes and democrats take over white house in 2020 then Iran will get more leverage like it did under obama, and right fully so. Saudi family is a disgrace.

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    Dont know what people are surprised about. People get into fistfights with 15 assassins, die, dismember themselves and place their various parts inside briefcases all the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    Saudis are so stupid. I wonder who will take them seriously now, I don't see any western head of state visiting them for a long long time and if trump goes and democrats take over white house in 2020 then Iran will get more leverage like it did under obama, and right fully so. Saudi family is a disgrace.
    Its all talk. The UK also sells arms to Saudi, the killing of thousands of Yemeni's hasnt put the UK off so I dont understand why one journalist makes a difference. The US probably helped the Saudi's to make up a story, as if they care about one person.

    I dont even think it's a big deal as made out in the news. Sure it's sad to see a man killed esp a journalist but there will be no ramifications for Saudi, their prince wasn't laughing because he was told a good joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Its all talk. The UK also sells arms to Saudi, the killing of thousands of Yemeni's hasnt put the UK off so I dont understand why one journalist makes a difference. The US probably helped the Saudi's to make up a story, as if they care about one person.

    I dont even think it's a big deal as made out in the news. Sure it's sad to see a man killed esp a journalist but there will be no ramifications for Saudi, their prince wasn't laughing because he was told a good joke.
    I think it’s because dead Yemeni children are of very little consequence to the larger corporate agenda of the Western elite. Killing a journalist so brazenly on a foreign soil is a massage to corporate elite of the West. So in a larger scheme of things, Khashoggi’s death has more severe consequences on the international power politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    I think it’s because dead Yemeni children are of very little consequence to the larger corporate agenda of the Western elite. Killing a journalist so brazenly on a foreign soil is a massage to corporate elite of the West. So in a larger scheme of things, Khashoggi’s death has more severe consequences on the international power politics.
    I dont thnk it has any consequence in the international arena. USA and UK are nations who installed the puppet dictatorship and since have been keeping them in power. The only reason this is making so much noise is because he was also a US resident and worked for an American newspaper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I dont thnk it has any consequence in the international arena. USA and UK are nations who installed the puppet dictatorship and since have been keeping them in power. The only reason this is making so much noise is because he was also a US resident and worked for an American newspaper.
    Killing a US based journalist who represented corporate/elitist media sends a message to the international community. It tells you that killing anyone is a fair game and that you can get away with it. That’s why the international community has been outraged and rightly so.

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    This killing could probably lead to MBS downfall.

    Look, any other could defend something under the title of war, if we talk about the Yemen situation.

    And even if Khashhoggi was killed in Saudi Arabia, that could also had been easily covered up.

    Problem is, this is a guy who goes into a consulate in a foreign country and yet he is not only killed, but also dismembered.

    This is soemthing you would expect from a Drug Cartel, not a governement. Even if governments are involved, they give the job to someone else and make the murder as such that doubts are left.

    For example that Russian spy murder.

    Here this guy is killed inside the consulate. Footages are there of him going inside and not coming outside.

    So this is pretty serious.

    International community needs to stand up, because if they dont, then this murder will be pinned on someone else.

    And the 15 member "delegation" would also be killed soon.

    I doubt that even the consul general will stay alive now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    Killing a US based journalist who represented corporate/elitist media sends a message to the international community. It tells you that killing anyone is a fair game and that you can get away with it. That’s why the international community has been outraged and rightly so.
    I'm not sure they are outraged so much as embarrassed. Because Saudi Arabia is a key ally of both US and the UK, the portrayal of MBS as some kind of forward thinking liberator has taken a big knock. He already has made a lot of enemies at home, it may be that he has to be sidelined if the western world's good relations with Saudi Arabia are to retain credibility.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    This killing could probably lead to MBS downfall.

    Look, any other could defend something under the title of war, if we talk about the Yemen situation.

    And even if Khashhoggi was killed in Saudi Arabia, that could also had been easily covered up.

    Problem is, this is a guy who goes into a consulate in a foreign country and yet he is not only killed, but also dismembered.

    This is soemthing you would expect from a Drug Cartel, not a governement. Even if governments are involved, they give the job to someone else and make the murder as such that doubts are left.

    For example that Russian spy murder.

    Here this guy is killed inside the consulate. Footages are there of him going inside and not coming outside.

    So this is pretty serious.

    International community needs to stand up, because if they dont, then this murder will be pinned on someone else.

    And the 15 member "delegation" would also be killed soon.

    I doubt that even the consul general will stay alive now.
    Basically the hit squad was too stupid to realise that just because they had switched off all the CCTV cameras inside the consulate, there were also security cameras outside the consulate, cameras that would have beeen installed as standard practice by the Turks considering that the consulate was a diplomatic building, and the host country has a responsibility to monitor the surroundings and protect other nations diplomatic premises. And that Jamal Khashoggi entering but not leaving the consulate would be noticed once investigations started.

    The hit squad, in their confidence that they were untouchable because their boss, MBS, was so powerful that even Trump was afraid to say boo to him, they didnt even consider the possibility that Jamal Khashoggi would have told anyone else that he was going to the consulate that day, never mind the fact that his fiance was waiting for him outside.

    It's probably fortunate for her that they didn't realise she was waiting outside for Khashoggi to come back out, else she too may have been for the chop chop.

    All that meticulous planning! Including remembering to bring a bone saw. And yet they forgot the basics that someone somewhere will know that Khashoggi was going to the consulate that day.


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    Credit to the Turkish authorities in not bending over backwards in all of this and accepting some Saudi money to make it all go away. Theyve acting very professionally so far (okay apart from all the leaks to the media lol).







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    Khashoggi death: Saudi Arabia says journalist was murdered

    Saudi Arabia has blamed the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi on a "rogue operation", giving a new account of an act that sparked a global outcry.

    Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir told Fox News "the murder" had been a "tremendous mistake" and denied the powerful crown prince had ordered it.

    Khashoggi was last seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.

    The Saudis, under intense pressure to explain Khashoggi's whereabouts, have offered conflicting accounts.

    They initially said he had left the consulate on 2 October - but on Friday admitted for the first time he was dead, saying he had been killed in a fight. This claim met widespread scepticism.

    Turkish officials believe Khashoggi, a prominent critic of the Saudi government, was murdered by a team of Saudi agents inside the building and say they have evidence to prove it.

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    From outright denial, to a fight and now a rogue operation the Saudis must think the world is stupid to believe the rubbish that is being spouted

    Turkey has the Saudis and the USA exactly where it wants and slowly but surely is turning the screw and watching the great reputation of the usa and the reformist go up in smoke step by step


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    From outright denial, to a fight and now a rogue operation the Saudis must think the world is stupid to believe the rubbish that is being spouted

    Turkey has the Saudis and the USA exactly where it wants and slowly but surely is turning the screw and watching the great reputation of the usa and the reformist go up in smoke step by step
    It will be all forgotten, soon. Rich countries dont get sanctioned, regime changed, or punished.

    Nothing will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    From outright denial, to a fight and now a rogue operation the Saudis must think the world is stupid to believe the rubbish that is being spouted

    Turkey has the Saudis and the USA exactly where it wants and slowly but surely is turning the screw and watching the great reputation of the usa and the reformist go up in smoke step by step
    This is the new world, the world of Donuld Trump. A world where the leader of the most powerful world can come out with any outlandish statement and get away with it... a world where anything goes and no one really tries to hide the truth...

    Dollars always came above lives but now it’s just said openly..

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    Erdogan accuses Saudi officials of 'planned' assasination

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the "savage" killing of Saudi writer and critic Jamal Khashoggi inside the Saudi Arabia's consulate in Istanbul was "planned" days before his murder on October 2.

    Addressing the Turkish parliament in Ankara, Erdogan raised several questions that he said still needed answering from officials in Riyadh but stopped short of accusing the kingdom's royals of playing any part in the assassination.

    "The Saudi authorities have taken an important step confirming the killing and now we ask Saudi authorities to work hard to reveal the names of those involved, from the bottom to the top." Erdogan said.

    "There are also questions in every mind; why did those 15 people gather in Istanbul on the day they committed the crime and … according to instructions given to them by whom? We need to know," he added.

    Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, reporting from outside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, said Erdogan's address was "anticlimatic".

    "All Erdogan did was wrap up in one speech the different bits of information that were leaked out in the past few weeks," Elshayyal said.

    "[But] he made it very clear that as far as he and his country is concerned this was a pre-planned attempt to murder Jamal Khashoggi, not to kidnap him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    ' it was an accident! '

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    Wow they forced the son to visit the palace and shake hands with the king and crown prince so that the latter could offer their condolences - how sick can you get.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-reveals.html




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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Wow they forced the son to visit the palace and shake hands with the king and crown prince so that the latter could offer their condolences - how sick can you get.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-reveals.html



    Don't talk bad about his holy highness man.

    Lol.

    Imagine how his son must hav felt watching these 2 offer condolences.

    Absolute suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Wow they forced the son to visit the palace and shake hands with the king and crown prince so that the latter could offer their condolences - how sick can you get.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-reveals.html



    Look at the security guard in the second pic with his hand on the pistol ready to deal with the son if any untoward thing happens. Such cowards.

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    Although extremely unfortunate for Khashoggi and his family this incident has exposed one of the biggest cancers to the world - Saudi Arabia and the House of Saud.

    Turkey, even if they are looking out for their own interests, has done a brilliant job in this whole affair so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    Trump is right, there is no cover up. Jamal went inside Embassy on 5th and by 20th the world knew he was killed by a Saudi team.
    These kinds of brazen incidents are only seen in 2nd class movies where script is weak.
    Yes, this is not the first murder in the history of the world but the manner, reason and execution of their sick plan is most astounding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Wow they forced the son to visit the palace and shake hands with the king and crown prince so that the latter could offer their condolences - how sick can you get.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-reveals.html

    There's so much about that image that's disturbing.

    There's the power dynamic where this helpless son has no means of recourse or gaining justice whatsoever. He cannot even leave the country to mourn with his siblings who are US residents. His killers have the support of the most powerful nation on earth who finance and arm them to the teeth.

    And he is forced to take part in this photo-op with his father's killers who were responsible for torturing and dismembering him.

    It requires an unhuman amount of restraint to be in that situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dios View Post
    Although extremely unfortunate for Khashoggi and his family this incident has exposed one of the biggest cancers to the world - Saudi Arabia and the House of Saud.

    Turkey, even if they are looking out for their own interests, has done a brilliant job in this whole affair so far.
    All it's exposed is that as long as they can maintain friendship with the world policeman, the USA, they can do what they like without fear or repercussion. This has proved an embarrassment at most, once the fuss dies down it will be business as usual.


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    Mohammed bin Salman says Khashoggi 'will not divide' Saudi and Turkey

    In his first public statement since the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman said on Wedneseday that the kingdom and the Turkish government will work together as long as he, his father King Salman and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan remain in power.

    "Undoubtedly, the cooperation today between the Saudi and Turkish governments is unique and we know that many are trying to use this painful thing to drive a wedge between Saudi Arabia and Turkey," the crown prince told the audience at the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh.

    "I want to send them a message: They will not be able to do that as long as there is a king called King Salman Abdel Aziz and a crown prince called Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia and a president in Turkey called Erdogan."

    Under his watch in the next 30 years, the crown prince told the audience, the Middle East will be "like Europe" and there will be "a war" for a Middle East renaissance.

    Asked specifically about Khashoggi's killing, MBS said: “The crime was really painful to all Saudis and I believe it is painful to every human in the world. It is a heinous crime that cannot be justified."

    MBS's PR-infused comments at the investment event widely panned by Western leaders and executives is likely to be seen as an attempt to quieten calls for him to step down from his position as second-in-line to the throne.

    After insisting for more than two weeks that the veteran journalist had left the consulate soon after an appointment, Saudi officials said on Saturday that he was killed after a fist fight inside the building. They have denied that the Saudi leadership is involved and pushed responsibility down the chain of command.

    The Saudi explanation has been widely questioned, most lately on Tuesday by US President Donald Trump who described the handling of Khashoggi's killing as the "worst cover-up ever".

    The role of the 33-year-old, often referred to as MBS, in the murder of Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul has been under heavy scrutiny, particularly as reports have emerged that Suad al-Qahtani, a close advisor to the crown prince, directed the killing and was beamed into the Saudi consulate via Skype, hurling insults at the journalist before he was killed.

    In the past, Qahtani has said he would never do anything without MBS' approval.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/m...ggi-1603349996

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    They most likely also laid subtle threats to his son as well

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    A disgusting crime by the Saudis.

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    CIA director Gina Haspel has heard audio recordings that Turkey claims capture the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, media reports say.

    They say Ms Haspel was allowed to listen to the audio during a visit to Turkey earlier this week.

    Meanwhile Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor was quoted as saying Khashoggi's murder was "premeditated".

    Khashoggi, a US-based critic of the Saudi government, was killed during a visit to its consulate in Istanbul.

    Saudi Arabia initially denied all knowledge of the writer's whereabouts when he went missing on 2 October, but later admitted he was murdered at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, blaming "rogue agents".

    The Saudi prosecutor's account came after investigations by a joint Saudi-Turkish task force, broadcaster al-Ekhbariya said.

    Turkey's Anadolu news agency said 38 members of staff at the Istanbul consulate had been questioned as witnesses.

    The official Saudi Press Agency reported that on Thursday Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman chaired the first meeting of a committee to reform the state's intelligence services, which was set up following Mr Khashoggi's death.

    Last week Saudi Arabia sacked two key advisers to the prince, and arrested 18 people.

    After the murder on 2 October, Turkish media quoted officials as saying they had audio recordings of Khashoggi's interrogation and death, but gave no details about the contents or how the audio had been obtained.

    Ms Haspel travelled to Turkey on Monday. On Wednesday Turkey's Sabah newspaper said she had listened to the recordings.

    Now, sources quoted by the Washington Post and Reuters news agency have backed up the reports.

    A person "familiar with the audio" told the Washington Post that it was "compelling".

    Ms Haspel is due to brief President Trump on her visit later on Thursday.

    On Wednesday Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is regarded as the country's de facto ruler, vowed to punish those responsible.

    However, media reports have quoted Turkish security sources as saying the operation was run by a top aide to Prince Mohammed.

    The crown prince was speaking at a business forum in Riyadh, dubbed "Davos in the Desert", which has been boycotted by a number of political and corporate leaders.

    What's the latest with the investigation?

    There is still no sign of the body.

    The latest focus appears to be on a well in the garden of the Saudi consulate building.

    As with much of the investigation there have been conflicting reports. The Anadolu agency initially reported the Saudis had denied permission for it to be searched, only for broadcaster NTV to say later that permission had been given.

    On Tuesday there were similar conflicting reports over whether Khashoggi's belongings had been found in suitcases in a Saudi diplomatic car.

    This week Turkish President Erdogan said Turkey had strong evidence the journalist was killed in a premeditated and "savage" murder and has called for the suspects to be tried in Istanbul.

    What is Donald Trump's line?

    On Tuesday the US president voiced his strongest criticism of the Saudi government to date and suggested the crown prince must have known what was going on.

    He told the Wall Street Journal: "Well, the prince [Mohammed bin Salman] is running things over there more so at this stage. He's running things and so if anybody were going to be, it would be him."

    Earlier he said: "They had a very bad original concept, it was carried out poorly and the cover-up was the worst in the history of cover-ups."

    The US will revoked the visas of those believed responsible for Khashoggi's killing - Saudi Arabia says 18 Saudi nationals have been detained.

    How has the Saudi story changed?

    First, Saudi Arabia said Khashoggi had left the building alive, then that he had been killed in a "fist-fight" inside the consulate.

    It finally said that Khashoggi had been murdered in a "rogue operation" that the leadership had not been aware of.

    An unnamed Saudi official told Reuters news agency on Sunday that Khashoggi had died in a chokehold after resisting attempts to return him to Saudi Arabia.

    His body was then rolled in a rug and given to a local "co-operator" to dispose of, the official said.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45977041

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    Saudi Arabia sent a toxicologist and a chemical expert to its consulate in Istanbul after journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed, a senior Turkish official has told the BBC.

    The Saudis admit the journalist was killed there last month, but their accounts have wavered on what happened.

    Turkish investigators believe he was choked to death and then dismembered.

    Two of his sons made an emotional appeal for their father's body in a Sunday interview with CNN.

    "All what we want right now is to bury him in al-Baqi (cemetery) in Medina (Saudi Arabia) with the rest of his family," Salah Khashoggi said in an interview, filmed in Washington.

    "I talked about that with the Saudi authorities and I just hope that it happens soon."

    Khashoggi, a critic of Saudi Arabia's rulers, was killed inside the Istanbul consulate on 2 October after visiting to obtain documents he needed to get married.

    What are the latest allegations?

    The comments on Monday by the senior official echo a report in Turkey's daily Sabah newspaper that Saudi Arabia allegedly sent chemist Ahmed Abdulaziz Aljanobi and toxicology expert Khaled Yahya al-Zahran as part of a delegation tasked with erasing evidence in the consulate.

    The newspaper alleges the team visited the building every day from 12 October until the 17 October, before leaving the country three days later.

    The latest reports about Khashoggi's death come on the same day Saudi Arabia is appearing before a United Nations human rights panel in Geneva.

    The president of the Saudi Human Rights Commission, Bandar al-Aiban, told the panel that King Salman had instructed prosecutors to investigate the killing and bring perpetrators to justice.
    What do the Saudis say?

    The official narrative of what happened to Khashoggi has shifted several times since he went missing.

    Initially, Saudi officials said he had left the consulate alive, then that he had died in a fist-fight, before describing his death as "murder" and pre-meditated as a result of a "rogue operation".

    Istanbul's Chief Public Prosecutor Irfan Fidan, who is leading the investigation, said last week he believed the journalist was "choked to death immediately" after he entered the building on 2 October, before his body was dismembered and destroyed.

    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that the order to kill him came from "the highest levels of the Saudi government", but, stressing Turkey's "friendly" ties with Saudi Arabia, he said he did not believe King Salman was involved.

    More than a month on from his death, Khashoggi's body has still not been found. Yaskin Aktay, a senior aide to Mr Erdogan, has said he believes his body may have been dissolved in acid.

    So far 18 men have been arrested by Saudi authorities in connection with the death. Turkey wants the suspects extradited but Saudi Arabia has maintained they will be prosecuted nationally.
    Who was Khashoggi?

    Jamal Khashoggi was once an adviser to the Saudi royal family, but fell out of favour with the government last year and went into self-imposed exile.

    He had become a sharp critic of the Saudi government and of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has been pioneering an ambitious economic and social reform programme.

    Before his death, the 59-year-old had been living in the US, and wrote regularly for the Washington Post newspaper.

    He first visited the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 28 September to obtain a document certifying that he had divorced his ex-wife, so that he could marry his Turkish fiance - but was told he would have to return and arranged to come back on 2 October.

    On that day his fiance, Hatice Cengiz, waited outside for him for more than 10 hours, but he did not re-emerge, so she raised the alarm.

    She has called on the international community to take "genuine steps" to bring the perpetrators of his death to justice.

    A memorial service was held for Khashoggi on Friday night in Washington.

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    Jamal Khashoggi murder ordered by agent - Saudi prosecutor

    Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor has concluded that an intelligence officer ordered Jamal Khashoggi's murder, and not Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    The officer was tasked with persuading the dissident journalist to return to the Gulf kingdom, a spokesman said.

    Khashoggi was given a lethal injection after a struggle in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, he added.

    The public prosecutor has charged 11 people over the murder and is seeking the death penalty for five of them.

    Their cases have been referred to a court while investigations into another 10 people suspected of involvement continue.

    The US treasury department later imposed economic sanctions on 17 Saudi officials who it said had "targeted and brutally killed" Khashoggi, who lived and worked in the US, and had to "face consequences for their actions".

    They included Saud al-Qahtani, a former adviser to the crown prince who the treasury department alleged was "part of the planning and execution of the operation" that led to Khashoggi's murder; Maher Mutreb, who it said had "co-ordinated and executed" the operation; and Mohammed Alotaibi, the Istanbul consul-general.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the sanctions were "an important step in responding to Khashoggi's killing" and vowed to "continue to seek all relevant facts, consult Congress, and work with other nations to hold accountable those involved".

    At a news conference in Riyadh on Thursday, Deputy Public Prosecutor Shalaan bin Rajih Shalaan said Khashoggi's body was dismembered inside the consulate after his death.

    The body parts were then handed over to a local "collaborator" outside the grounds, he added. A composite sketch of the collaborator has been produced and investigations are continuing to locate the remains.

    Mr Shalaan did not identify any of those charged with the murder.

    But he said investigations had "revealed that the person who ordered the killing was the head of the negotiations team" sent to Istanbul by deputy intelligence chief Gen Ahmed al-Assiri to force Khashoggi to return to Saudi Arabia from his self-imposed exile.

    "[The crown prince] did not have any knowledge about it," he insisted.

    Prince Mohammed, the son of King Salman and Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler, has denied any role in what he has called a "heinous crime that cannot be justified".

    Critics believe it is highly unlikely he would not have been aware of the operation.

    Several of the 21 people arrested over the murder have been seen in his security detail in the past. Gen Assiri and Mr Qahtani have also been sacked over the incident.

    Mr Shalaan said Mr Qahtani had been banned from travelling and remained under investigation, but he did not say what had happened to Gen Assiri.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said "the order to kill Khashoggi came from the highest levels of the Saudi government" but that he does not believe King Salman gave it.

    Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday that some of the statements by the Saudi deputy public prosecutor were "unsatisfactory".

    "They say this person was killed because he resisted, whereas this murder was premeditated," he told reporters.

    "Again, they say he was dismembered... but this isn't a spontaneous thing. The necessary equipment and people were previously brought in to kill and later dismember him."

    Turkish officials have alleged that the 15 Saudi agents who flew to Istanbul in the hours before the murder, one of whom is believed to have been a forensic pathologist working for the Saudi interior ministry, were carrying a bone saw.

    "Those who gave the command as well as instigators should also be clarified and this process should not be covered up," Mr Cavusoglu said, adding that Turkey would "shed light on this murder in all its aspects."

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    Jamal Khashoggi: CIA 'blames Saudi prince for murder'

    The CIA believes that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to US media reports.

    Sources close to the agency said it had assessed the evidence in detail.

    It is understood there is no "smoking gun" but US officials think such an operation would need the prince's approval.

    Saudi Arabia has called the claim false and insisted that the crown prince knew nothing of plans for the killing.

    It says Khashoggi was killed as a result of a "rogue operation".

    Meanwhile, US Vice-President Mike Pence vowed on Saturday to hold Khashoggi's killers to account.

    Speaking on the sidelines of a summit in Papua New Guinea, he said the US was "determined to hold all of those accountable who are responsible for that murder".

    The journalist was killed in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October. His body has not been found.

    Turkey insists the order came from the highest levels.

    The Washington Post, which Khashoggi worked for, says the CIA assessment was based partly on a phone call made by the crown prince's brother, Prince Khaled bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the US.

    Prince Khaled allegedly called Khashoggi at the direction of his brother and gave him assurances that he would be safe to go to the consulate.

    Prince Khaled said he had not been in contact with Khashoggi for nearly a year. He said he had never suggested Khashoggi - who had been in London for a conference until the day before his disappearance - should go to Turkey for any reason.

    Neither the White House nor the US State Department has commented on the reports, but sources say they have been informed of the CIA's conclusions.

    It is understood agents have also examined a call made to a senior aide of Crown Prince bin Salman by the team that carried out the killing.

    Sources quoted in the US media stressed that there was no single piece of evidence linking the crown prince directly to the murder, but officials believe such an operation would have needed his approval.

    "The accepted position is that there is no way this happened without him being aware or involved," the Washington Post quoted a source as saying.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46245167

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    Trump on Khashoggi murder: Don't believe the CIA, believe MBS. He's instructed me to say so!

    To paraphrase Trump: "I don't care whether or not MBS ordered Khashoggi's murder. MBS is my son-in-laws buddy, and therefore untouchable!"


    Trump 'stands with' Saudi Arabia and defends crown prince over Khashoggi

    President issues extraordinary statement of support and repeats Saudi claim that murdered journalist was enemy of the state


    [....]

    The 649-word statement appears to be a presidential act of defiance against the CIA, which has reportedly concluded that the Saudi prince ordered the killing, and the Senate, which is considering bipartisan legislation that would suspend weapons sales to Saudi Arabia among other punitive measures.

    Trump wrote: Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event maybe he did and maybe he didnt!


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...i-crown-prince
    In the latest of those leaks, the influential pro-government outlet Habertrk published excerpts of a purported transcript of an audio recording of the murder.

    According to its account, the Saudi hitman chosen as a lookalike among Jamal Khashoggis assassins was apparently recorded saying, Its creepy to wear the clothes of a man we killed 20 minutes ago, before he stepped from the Kingdoms consulate in Istanbul in a failed bid to prove the slain dissident had left the building.


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    To paraphrase the Guardian

    Trump remained neutral on the issue so we are going to spread propaganda that he is defending the crown prince and there should be enough suckers to swallow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To paraphrase the Guardian

    Trump remained neutral on the issue so we are going to spread propaganda that he is defending the crown prince and there should be enough suckers to swallow it.
    Trump always showed from his behaviour that money is important for him than morals. I believe this encouraged the Crown Prince a lot. That is why Crown Prince went for full war in Yemen. That is why Crown Prince expelled the Canadian ambassador too while he feared no reaction from Trump. And indeed Trump didn't condemned the arrests of women in Saudia and one way or another supported crown prince against Canada. And this same encouragement led to the point where they killed an innocent man in the Saudi consulate.

    You may not agree with me, but in my opinion Trump's behaviour has indirect part in all these tragedys.

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    The world looks like a circus during Trump days.

    I would be shocked if he gets elected.

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    To quote the man himself:

    "Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million," Trump said during a presidential campaign rally in Alabama in August 2015.

    "Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."

    At another rally that year, Trump said of the Saudis, "I make a lot of money from them."

    "They buy all sorts of my stuff.
    All kinds of toys from Trump. They pay me millions and hundred of millions."
    What's a dismemberment of a US resident between friends ?

    Iran FM Javad Zarif's statement on this is hilarious.

    https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/10...174581249?s=19

    "Mr. Trump bizarrely devotes the FIRST paragraph of his shameful statement on Saudi atrocities to accuse IRAN of every sort of malfeasance he can think of. Perhaps were also responsible for the California fires, because we didnt help rake the forests just like the Finns do?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To paraphrase the Guardian

    Trump remained neutral on the issue so we are going to spread propaganda that he is defending the crown prince and there should be enough suckers to swallow it.
    As Trump himself have said "If I were to shoot someone in the middle of Time Square I wouldn't lose any support".

    I guess he wasn't kidding and you would be obedient no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To paraphrase the Guardian

    Trump remained neutral on the issue so we are going to spread propaganda that he is defending the crown prince and there should be enough suckers to swallow it.
    In that case I suggest you try reading the New York Times, The Washington Post, or even some quality Aussie paper. You'll get more or less the same or similar viewpoints.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    To quote the man himself:



    What's a dismemberment of a US resident between friends ?

    Iran FM Javad Zarif's statement on this is hilarious.

    https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/10...174581249?s=19

    "Mr. Trump bizarrely devotes the FIRST paragraph of his shameful statement on Saudi atrocities to accuse IRAN of every sort of malfeasance he can think of. Perhaps we’re also responsible for the California fires, because we didn’t help rake the forests— just like the Finns do?"

    Trumps blamed the California fires on mismanagement by California state authorities. Trumpster does'nt realise that most of the fires are on federal land managed by federal, and not state, authorities.


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    Let that be a lesson for those who criticise the House of Saud. Like Pakistan, the Americans will continue to stick with their most loyal ally in the middle east.


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    "Maybe he did and maybe he didn't..."

    Classic!


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    Asif this is a massive deal

    The bigger deal was when that Russia diplomat got murdered in Turkey



    This is just trump using the Muslim world to get behind MBS while dancing to the Grease soundtrack before the end of 2018


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    To paraphrase the Guardian

    Trump remained neutral on the issue so we are going to spread propaganda that he is defending the crown prince and there should be enough suckers to swallow it.
    A Trump supporter accusing others of spreading and believing propaganda and calling them suckers? The followers of a failed businessman conman who openly admits to lying and lies a minute? Irony died a painful death

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    CIA director Gina Haspel has briefed Congress on Khashoggi intelligencd.

    Sen Bob Corker: "If he (MBS) was in front of a jury he'd be convicted in 30 minutes"

    Sen Lindsey Graham: "Zero chance this happened without MBS knowing."

    Meanwhile Trump continues to play dumb with his maybe they did, maybe they didn't, we'll never know routine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    CIA director Gina Haspel has briefed Congress on Khashoggi intelligencd.

    Sen Bob Corker: "If he (MBS) was in front of a jury he'd be convicted in 30 minutes"

    Sen Lindsey Graham: "Zero chance this happened without MBS knowing."

    Meanwhile Trump continues to play dumb with his maybe they did, maybe they didn't, we'll never know routine.
    Problem is how to get rid of MBS. No one can get close to King Salman without MBS hearing about it. So that removes the possibility of someone from the outside (eg the Americans) having a quiet word in King Salman's ear.

    And even if they could, MBS is his favourite son. He knows if he takes away the Crown Princeship from MBS, it will be curtains for MBS.

    Also MBS now controls all the levers of power, from Defence, to National Guard, to Intelligence. Considering King Salman's health, along with MBS's penchant for removing those in his way, the King's illness might suddenly get 'worse', thereby making Prince MBS into King MBS.

    At the same time, MBS has made mortal enemies of many dozens of his cousins, including those who's roles he's grabbed for himself, such as that of being The Crown Prince and next in line to the throne. They'll be looking for ways to remove his as well as taking revenge.


    So watch this space. It is not inconceivable that this could be the beginning of the end of the House of Saud's rule over KSA


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    Khashoggi murder: Saudis refuse Turkey extradition request

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46501472

    Saudi Arabia's foreign minister has ruled out extraditing to Turkey suspects in the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    Adel al-Jubeir said: "We do not extradite our citizens."

    Just over a week ago, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan demanded the extradition and on Wednesday a Turkish court issued arrest warrants.
    Saudi Arabia has charged 11 people with the murder, which took place in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October.

    Arrest warrants were issued in Turkey for former Saudi intelligence chief Ahmad al-Assiri and former royal adviser Saud al-Qahtani.

    Mr al-Jubeir criticised the way Turkey has shared information with the kingdom.
    "The Turkish authorities have not been as forthcoming as we believe they should have been," he said, quoted by AFP news agency.

    "We have asked our friends in Turkey to provide us with evidence that we can use in a court of law. We have not received it in the manner that it should have been received."

    Mr Erdogan says the order to kill Khashoggi came from the highest levels of the Saudi government but insists he does not want to damage the Saudi royal family.

    What does Saudi Arabia say?

    It denies that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was involved in the killing.

    The Gulf kingdom's public prosecutor has said Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate as a result of a "rogue operation" on the orders of an intelligence officer.

    Khashoggi was given a lethal injection after a struggle. His body was then dismembered inside the consulate in Istanbul and the body parts were handed over to a local "collaborator" outside the grounds, the prosecutor said.

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    A Saudi prosecutor has asked for the death penalty for five of 11 suspects held over the murder of Jamal Khashoggi at the country’s consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, the state news agency SPA reported on Thursday.

    The call came during the first court hearing in the Khashoggi case, which has shredded the kingdom’s international reputation and strained its relations with Turkey, the US and many other western governments.

    In a trial that is likely to have major international diplomatic consequences, the 11 defendants appeared in court on Thursday in a session closed to the public.

    In late October the Saudis said they had detained 18 suspects in relation to the murder, but the names have not been shared with Turkish authorities.

    The Saudi general prosecution said the interrogation of a number of the accused would continue, adding that two requests asking for further evidence had been sent to Turkey but had not received any response.

    The Saudi prosecution said that following the hearing in the case the defendants asked for a copy from the prosecutors and sought time to make their defence.

    The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has asked for the accused to be extradited to Turkey to stand trial, a request that has been rejected.

    Erdoğan has effectively accused the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, of ordering the killing of Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post, and has run a persistent campaign revealing details of the Turkish police investigation into the murder that has kept Saudi Arabia on the diplomatic back foot.

    The CIA has also told US Congress that it believes the crown prince ordered the killing. The episode has already led to a Saudi cabinet reshuffle, involving the partial demotion of the foreign minister, Adel al-Jubeir, and a reordering of the Saudi intelligence service seen to be at the heart of Khashoggi murder.

    Jubeir was replaced by Ibrahim al-Assaf, an experienced figure who had previously served as finance minister.

    In response to Khashoggi’s murder, Britain has asked that the Saudis reassure the world that such an event cannot be repeated, seen as a code that the crown prince will not be able to use the intelligence service as a personal tool to suppress dissent abroad.

    The trial will be notable for the degree to which the defendants are able to set out in open court whether they were instructed by the state to carry out the murder, or instead had been instructed to repatriate Khashoggi, but on meeting resistance from the journalist chose to kill him.

    Trials in Saudi Arabia are normally held behind closed doors so it is likely no claim that the hit team were acting on orders of the royal court will ever be aired.

    The human rights group Reprieve estimates there have been nearly 700 executions in Saudi Arabia since 2014.

    Saudi Arabia has provided sharply contrasting accounts of how Khashoggi came to die. On New Year’s Eve, Turkish police released new footage purporting to show bags containing Khashoggi’s body parts being carried into the home of the Saudi consul general in Istanbul. Turkish authorities have carried out numerous body searches in Turkey since the murder, but without success.

    The Turkish network A Haber broadcast video showing the entrance to the gated residence of Saudi Arabia’s consul general in Istanbul, not far from the Saudi consulate. The footage shows men, their faces obscured by shadow, carrying several large suitcases or bags into the building. The Saudis have not allowed the garden’s well to be fully searched, or dried. The footage purportedly hows Maj Gen Mahir Abdul Aziz Muhammad Mutrib, an associate of the crown prince, helping with the movement of the bags.

    The consul, Mohammed al-Otaibi, has returned to Riyadh, and has not been seen.

    Turkey has also released a sound recording inside the consul general’s office in which Khashoggi resists suffocation. Subsequently a member of the Saudi team can be heard telling a superior over the phone to “tell your boss” that the mission had been achieved. That is believed to be a reference to the Saudi crown prince.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...re-saudi-court


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    Khashoggi murder 'happened under my watch', MBS tells PBS


    Saudi Arabia's crown prince said he bears responsibility for the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year by Saudi operatives "because it happened under my watch," according to a PBS documentary to be broadcast next week.

    Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), the kingdom's de facto ruler, has not spoken publicly about the killing inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. The CIA and some Western governments have said he ordered it, but Saudi officials say he had no role.

    The death sparked a global uproar, tarnishing the crown prince's image and imperilling ambitious plans to diversify the economy of the world's top oil exporter and open up Saudi Arabia's society. He has not since visited the United States or Europe.

    "It happened under my watch. I get all the responsibility, because it happened under my watch," he told PBS' Martin Smith, according to a preview of the documentary, The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, set to air on October 1, ahead of the one-year anniversary of Khashoggi's death.

    After initial denials, the official Saudi narrative blamed the murder on rogue operatives. The public prosecutor said the then-deputy intelligence chief ordered the repatriation of Khashoggi, a royal insider who became an outspoken critic, but the lead negotiator ordered him killed after discussions for his return failed.

    Saud al-Qahtani, a former top royal adviser whom Reuters reported gave orders over Skype to the killers, briefed the hit team on Khashoggi's activities before the operation, the prosecutor said.

    Asked how the killing could happen without him knowing about it, Smith quotes Prince Mohammed as saying: "We have 20 million people. We have three million government employees."

    Smith asked whether the killers could have taken private government jets, to which the crown prince responded: "I have officials, ministers to follow things, and they're responsible. They have the authority to do that."

    Smith describes the December exchange, which apparently took place off-camera, in the preview of the documentary.

    A senior US administration official told Reuters in June the Trump administration was pressing Riyadh for "tangible progress" towards holding to account those behind the killing.

    Eleven Saudi suspects have been put on trial in secretive proceedings but only a few hearings have been held. A UN report has called for Prince Mohammed and other senior Saudi officials to be investigated.

    Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist, was last seen at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2, where he was to receive papers he needed for his upcoming marriage. His body was reportedly dismembered and removed from the building, and his remains have not been found.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...061626576.html

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    The chief executive of ride-hailing app Uber has called the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi "a mistake", comparing it to his firm's failings with self-driving cars.

    Pressed on Saudi links with Uber in a TV interview, Dara Khosrowshahi said: "People make mistakes, it doesn't mean they can never be forgiven."

    He later said the comments were wrong.

    Khashoggi - a US resident and prominent Saudi critic - was killed in the kingdom's Istanbul consulate last year.

    Saudi Arabia is Uber's fifth-largest shareholder and the head of its sovereign wealth fund is also on the company's board of directors.

    Mr Khosrowshahi made the remarks during a discussion about Saudi Arabia's involvement in Khashoggi's murder as part of the series Axios on HBO. When pressed on whether a representative from Saudi Arabia should remain on Uber's board, he said: "I think that government said that they made a mistake."

    He went on: "It's a serious mistake, we've made mistakes too, right, with self-driving and we stopped driving and we're recovering from that mistake."

    He was referring to Uber's self-driving cars, one of which struck and killed a woman in 2018 when it "failed" to identify her as a pedestrian.

    Following the interview, Mr Khosrowshahi sent an email to Axios backtracking on his comments. "I said something in the moment that I do not believe," he wrote. "When it comes to Jamal Khashoggi, his murder was reprehensible and should not be forgotten or excused."

    Mr Khosrowshahi was appointed CEO in 2017, after former chief executive Travis Kalanick resigned amid pressure from shareholders.

    Mr Kalanick, Uber's billionaire co-founder, resigned after a spate of controversies at the firm. Issues included complaints from employees about a sexist and macho company culture and that accusations of sexual harassment were not taken seriously. He remains a member of the board of directors.
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50373852.


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    The chief executive of ride-hailing app Uber has called the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi "a mistake", comparing it to his firm's failings with self-driving cars.

    Pressed on Saudi links with Uber in a TV interview, Dara Khosrowshahi said: "People make mistakes, it doesn't mean they can never be forgiven."

    He later said the comments were wrong.

    Khashoggi - a US resident and prominent Saudi critic - was killed in the kingdom's Istanbul consulate last year.

    Saudi Arabia is Uber's fifth-largest shareholder and the head of its sovereign wealth fund is also on the company's board of directors.

    Mr Khosrowshahi made the remarks during a discussion about Saudi Arabia's involvement in Khashoggi's murder as part of the series Axios on HBO. When pressed on whether a representative from Saudi Arabia should remain on Uber's board, he said: "I think that government said that they made a mistake."

    He went on: "It's a serious mistake, we've made mistakes too, right, with self-driving and we stopped driving and we're recovering from that mistake."

    He was referring to Uber's self-driving cars, one of which struck and killed a woman in 2018 when it "failed" to identify her as a pedestrian.

    Following the interview, Mr Khosrowshahi sent an email to Axios backtracking on his comments. "I said something in the moment that I do not believe," he wrote. "When it comes to Jamal Khashoggi, his murder was reprehensible and should not be forgotten or excused."

    Mr Khosrowshahi was appointed CEO in 2017, after former chief executive Travis Kalanick resigned amid pressure from shareholders.

    Mr Kalanick, Uber's billionaire co-founder, resigned after a spate of controversies at the firm. Issues included complaints from employees about a sexist and macho company culture and that accusations of sexual harassment were not taken seriously. He remains a member of the board of directors.
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50373852.


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    A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced five people to death and jailed three others over the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year.

    Khashoggi, a prominent critic of the Saudi government, was killed inside the kingdom's consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul by a team of Saudi agents.

    The Saudi public prosecutor said it was the result of a "rogue operation" and put 11 unnamed individuals on trial.

    A UN expert has concluded that it was an "extrajudicial execution".

    Special Rapporteur Agnes Callamard called for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to be investigated over the killing.

    He has denied any involvement, but in October he said he took "full responsibility as a leader in Saudi Arabia, especially since it was committed by individuals working for the Saudi government".




    The trial, which took place behind closed doors, did not meet international standards and Saudi authorities had "obstructed meaningful accountability", Human Rights Watch said.

    How did Jamal Khashoggi die?
    The 59-year-old journalist, a US-based columnist for the Washington Post, was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October 2018 to obtain papers he needed to marry his fiance Hatice Cengiz.

    After listening to purported audio recordings of conversations inside the consulate made by Turkish intelligence, Ms Callamard concluded that Khashoggi was "brutally slain" that day.

    Saudi Arabia's deputy public prosecutor Shalaan Shalaan told reporters in November 2018 that the murder was ordered by the head of a "negotiations team" sent to Istanbul by the Saudi deputy intelligence chief to bring Khashoggi back to the kingdom "by means of persuasion" or, if that failed, "by force".

    Investigators concluded that Khashoggi was forcibly restrained after a struggle and injected with a large amount of a drug, resulting in an overdose that led to his death, Mr Shalaan said. His body was then dismembered and handed over to a local "collaborator" outside the consulate, he added. The remains have not been found.

    Mr Shalaan insisted Prince Mohammed "did not have any knowledge about it".

    Who was responsible?
    Eighteen people were arrested in Saudi Arabia and five senior government officials were sacked as part of the kingdom's investigation into the case. The officials included Deputy Intelligence Chief Ahmad Asiri and Saud al-Qahtani, a senior aide to Prince Mohammed.

    In January, 11 individuals were put on trial at the Criminal Court of Riyadh in connection with the killing, and the public prosecutor asked for the death penalty for five of them. The identities of the defendants were not released.

    Ms Callamard said in June that the five people who faced the death penalty were Fahad Shabib Albalawi; Turki Muserref Alshehri; Waleed Abdullah Alshehri; Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, an intelligence officer who the US said worked for Saud al-Qahtani; and Dr Salah Mohammed Tubaigy, a forensic doctor with the interior ministry.

    The other six defendants were Mansour Othman Abahussain; Mohammed Saad Alzahrani; Mustafa Mohammed Almadani; Saif Saad Alqahtani; Muflih Shaya Almuslih, reportedly a member of the consulate staff; and Ahmad Asiri, the former deputy intelligence chief.

    According to interviews conducted by Ms Callamard, the defendants' lawyers argued in court that they were state employees and could not object to the orders of their superiors.

    On Monday, the Saudi public prosecutor said Mr Qahtani was investigated but not charged "due to insufficient evidence", and that Mr Asiri was charged but eventually acquitted on the same grounds.



    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50890633


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