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    Repercussions of the #MeToo movement being felt in India

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/bolly...KXdckY9mO.html

    T-Series chairman Bhushan Kumar has issued a statement denying allegations of trading roles for sexual favours on Friday. Earlier in the day, an unnamed woman had claimed on Twitter that Kumar had called her to a bungalow for a three film deal and threatened to destroy her career if she refused. “I was new and I was scared, very scared!! The next day i got to know that i was dropped from the film bcoz i had refused to sleep with the ‘boss’,” says the anonymous account.

    As part of India’s #MeToo movement, a number of Bollywood celebs have been named by women as sexual predators. T-Series also dropped Subhash Kapoor as the director of its upcoming film, Mogul, earlier this week after an old molestation allegation levelled by actor Girtika Tyagi resurfaced.

    Kumar denied the allegation in a statement issued to PTI, which reads, “I am appalled and anguished to know that my name has been dragged in this metoo by some anonymous person(s). The allegations against me are bad on the face of it. I have enjoyed an impeccable reputation and have always maintained professionalism. The tweet has been used as a tool to defame me and malign my reputation. I have taken this allegation very seriously and lodging a complaint with the cyber cell of the Mumbai Police to track the mysterious people(s) whose twitter handles have disappeared within seconds of uploading the malicious tweet. I’ll take all such actions as I will be legally advised.”

    Aamir Khan recently left Mogul, a T-Series’ production which is based on the life of Kumar’s father, Gulshan Kumar. Khan’s decision to walk away from the film came in the wake of an earlier allegation of sexual harassment against Kapoor. As #MeToo gained momentum, Kapoor was dropped as the director by Kumar as well.

    Many big names in the Hindi film industry such as Vikas Bahl, Subhash Ghai, Nana Patekar, Alok Nath and Sajid Khan stand accused of harassment in what is being seen as India’s #MeToo movement.


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    About time this was addressed in our part of the world and India can set the pace on this one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    About time this was addressed in our part of the world and India can set the pace on this one.
    Definitely. India is the standard bearer as the subcontinent's longest functioning democracy and most enthusiastic and committed film industry. Bollywood wants to aspire to the heights of the US film industry, and we need to see them taking abuse of female actors just as seriously.


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    The two most powerful industries of India :- bollywood and news media are shaken up by this movement.
    I am all for this movement - so many wolves are being identified. I am shocked by naming of Aloknath, Kailash Kher, Sajid Khan etc.
    I hope there is a major cleansing of the system and law/order becomes more strict and more powerfully enforced.
    All that being said ,no innocents should be blamed.

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    Nothing will happen. We just like to copy US but do not have guts to take actions like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Nothing will happen. We just like to copy US but do not have guts to take actions like them.
    Already happening. Films have stopped, directors have stepped down. That is already a punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    Already happening. Films have stopped, directors have stepped down. That is already a punishment.
    Also can't see MJ Akbar lasting much longer - the allegations against him are piling up each day.

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    This is a verified account so hope mods don't remove it but could Amitabh be next?






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    Innocent until proven guilty.

    In this age of social media these keyboard moralists seems to be the jury and executioner at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty.

    In this age of social media these keyboard moralists seems to be the jury and executioner at the same time.
    That is true. But seems unavoidable.

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    Why men haven't come out with allegations against women? Can't believe that hasn't happened.
    Maybe men want that to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    Why men haven't come out with allegations against women? Can't believe that hasn't happened.
    Maybe men want that to continue.
    Can you imagine a self respecting Indian man telling the world that a famous Indian woman forced him to 'please her'?


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    This is a very good campaign imo. Loads of people who have abused their power and status are going to pay for it hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Can you imagine a self respecting Indian man telling the world that a famous Indian woman forced him to 'please her'?
    It’s obvious. It’s becuase men love to be forced, it’s a free gift for them. Hence why there’s such scarce allgeation cases of such.

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    The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) CEO Rahul Johri has been accused of sexual assault by a female author in the latest case of the #MeToo movement in cricket.

    Johri, who was the Executive Vice-President and General Manager (South Asia) for Discovery Network Asia Pacific, before joining as BCCI CEO in 2016 was accused of taking advantage of the survivor by offering a job opportunity.

    Johri has been named in a Twitter post by author Harnidh Kaur, who shared screenshots of a detailed account of the survivor on her Twitter handle @PedestrianPoet. Johri was not immediately available for comment.

    The survivor levelled allegations against Johri saying he had taken her to his place where he said "the final part" of an interview would take place.

    "Rahul Johri: Currently the CEO of BCCI - Ex Discovery Channel. Rahul was an ex-colleague. Through the times of partying at Raj's house, then building a successful media business, and then wading through other channels -- Rahul kept in touch with me," read the screenshot on survivor's handle.

    During a discussion on possible job, he suddenly got up and asked survivor to accompany him to his home. She knew his wife, having socially met and invited the couple to her home earlier for dinner. When they reached his house, he took out the key to unlock the door to which survivor said why he did not inform her that his wife was not home, only to be told what was there to inform.

    In the house, after she asked for water, he came to her with his pants down and assaulted her. "Till date I have borne the burden of this sordid incident, blaming myself for this -- I have wondered if I had showed I was needy, I don't think so -- but it's all hazy and confused in my head.

    "For years, I have told myself -- that was so cheap of me -- but the truth is, it was so sudden and so manipulated that I had no chance at even knowing what the hell this was," the survivor further wrote.

    The Committee of Administrators of the BCCI has asked Rahul Johri to submit his explanation within a week over the sexual harassment allegations made against him.

    This is the third such instance in cricket after Sri Lankan cricketers Arjuna Ranatunga and Lasith Malinga were named.

    https://www.thenewsminute.com/articl...egations-89947


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    This is going to take out a lot of powerful. Good riddance. Hope justice is served.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    In the house, after she asked for water, he came to her with his pants down and assaulted her. "Till date I have borne the burden of this sordid incident, blaming myself for this -- I have wondered if I had showed I was needy, I don't think so -- but it's all hazy and confused in my head.

    "For years, I have told myself -- that was so cheap of me -- but the truth is, it was so sudden and so manipulated that I had no chance at even knowing what the hell this was," the survivor further wrote.

    The Committee of Administrators of the BCCI has asked Rahul Johri to submit his explanation within a week over the sexual harassment allegations made against him.
    Talk about an understatement! Sounds like a hell of a lot more than just "harassment".


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    Regardless of political leanings and affiliations, one of the most fundamental aspects of any judicial system is the belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty. This movement deserves respect in the sense that it no doubt is encouraging legitimate victims of sexual assault to come forward, shed their fears and get justice on those who abused them.

    That being said, it is frankly ludicrous that the individuals accused of this can be anonymously accused of the most heinous of crimes, have their names, careers, faces et al plastered everywhere for the media to feed on and character assassinate before even having a chance to respond. It is a very dangerous trend we're setting here to blindly believe every case without waiting for the facts, evidence and most importantly, courts to decide. Every individual has the right to innocence until a court of law determines otherwise, yet look at Kavanaugh in the US and many other cases popping up now, too many idiots in the world ascribe to the fools notion of "no smoke without fire" so really it wont matter if they are exonerated in court, the damage is already done.

    MeToo is not an anti-men movement trying to erase the male race, but it is not some infallible, foolproof bastion of truth either, like almost everything thr truth lies somewhere in between but it seems nobody in modern times is capable of stepping back,taking a deep breath and let the facts do the work, has to be hysteria, emotional extremes galore.

    In short, those accused have every right to anonymity as the accusers (rightfully) do. We cant foster a mentality whereby everyone accused of something is automatically guilty and should be shot, just as we cant wash away all accusations as someone attention seeking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Regardless of political leanings and affiliations, one of the most fundamental aspects of any judicial system is the belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty. This movement deserves respect in the sense that it no doubt is encouraging legitimate victims of sexual assault to come forward, shed their fears and get justice on those who abused them.

    That being said, it is frankly ludicrous that the individuals accused of this can be anonymously accused of the most heinous of crimes, have their names, careers, faces et al plastered everywhere for the media to feed on and character assassinate before even having a chance to respond. It is a very dangerous trend we're setting here to blindly believe every case without waiting for the facts, evidence and most importantly, courts to decide. Every individual has the right to innocence until a court of law determines otherwise, yet look at Kavanaugh in the US and many other cases popping up now, too many idiots in the world ascribe to the fools notion of "no smoke without fire" so really it wont matter if they are exonerated in court, the damage is already done.

    MeToo is not an anti-men movement trying to erase the male race, but it is not some infallible, foolproof bastion of truth either, like almost everything thr truth lies somewhere in between but it seems nobody in modern times is capable of stepping back,taking a deep breath and let the facts do the work, has to be hysteria, emotional extremes galore.

    In short, those accused have every right to anonymity as the accusers (rightfully) do. We cant foster a mentality whereby everyone accused of something is automatically guilty and should be shot, just as we cant wash away all accusations as someone attention seeking.
    It started in the west and at that time all so called "Liberals" in India wanted this ,everyone was tweeting about it and etc. and now some of the big "Liberal" faces in India from Vinod Dua(Journalist) to AIB(Liberal comedian groups) have come under such high cases that its clear they cant have their cake and eat it too.

    This movement was basically keyboard warriors playing jury and judge from the get go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Regardless of political leanings and affiliations, one of the most fundamental aspects of any judicial system is the belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty. This movement deserves respect in the sense that it no doubt is encouraging legitimate victims of sexual assault to come forward, shed their fears and get justice on those who abused them.

    That being said, it is frankly ludicrous that the individuals accused of this can be anonymously accused of the most heinous of crimes, have their names, careers, faces et al plastered everywhere for the media to feed on and character assassinate before even having a chance to respond. It is a very dangerous trend we're setting here to blindly believe every case without waiting for the facts, evidence and most importantly, courts to decide. Every individual has the right to innocence until a court of law determines otherwise, yet look at Kavanaugh in the US and many other cases popping up now, too many idiots in the world ascribe to the fools notion of "no smoke without fire" so really it wont matter if they are exonerated in court, the damage is already done.

    MeToo is not an anti-men movement trying to erase the male race, but it is not some infallible, foolproof bastion of truth either, like almost everything thr truth lies somewhere in between but it seems nobody in modern times is capable of stepping back,taking a deep breath and let the facts do the work, has to be hysteria, emotional extremes galore.

    In short, those accused have every right to anonymity as the accusers (rightfully) do. We cant foster a mentality whereby everyone accused of something is automatically guilty and should be shot, just as we cant wash away all accusations as someone attention seeking.
    Social media has made stepping back and taking a deep breath much harder. Now everyone wants to tweet and DM their every thought immediately and it causes repercussions with the barrage of endless quotes.

    On the other hand, the casting couch was a well known abuse of female actors trying to get a break, at least now some of the big name producers will think twice before asking for favours.


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    Men will be scared to even look at woman in the future. In a way it is good for the society. Just the thought of MeToo will put some men in their places who have dirty intentions.

    Also, I have seen woman and girls who casually put their hands on my shoulders or sometimes even thighs while talking when I was young. I did not think of much about it back then. Even now I see girls and woman do it causally while talking. That should end too.

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    Eye-opening the names being linked to this.

    The world's of some very high-profile Bollywood greats could come crashing down if proper investigations are carried out.



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    #MeToo: MJ Akbar files defamation case against woman journalist

    Indian minister MJ Akbar has filed a defamation case against a woman journalist who named him as part of a #MeToo movement gripping the country.

    Priya Ramani's allegations against Mr Akbar inspired more women to talk about his alleged "predatory conduct".

    The former newspaper editor added that he would not be stepping down from his post as deputy foreign minister.

    In a statement, Ms Ramani said she was "ready" to fight the allegations against her.

    She added that she was "deeply disappointed" that "rather than engage with the serious allegations that many women have made against him, he seeks to silence them through intimidation and harassment."

    Apart from the case against Ms Ramani, Mr Akbar has threatened to also sue the other women who have spoken out against him.

    The minister is the most high-profile figure to be named in India's #MeToo movement.

    He returned from an official trip abroad on Monday and called the allegations "false" and "baseless".

    A threat to India's #MeToo movement?
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    Everyone expecting a contrite apology and possible resignation from junior Foreign Minister MJ Akbar could not have been more wrong.

    His response to being named as part of India's #MeToo movement has been full of fire and fury.

    The allegations against Mr Akbar will be hard to prove. Ms Ramani herself has said that "nothing happened" in her account, while the other allegations relate to events that took place many years ago, and will ultimately boil down to his word against theirs.

    But what is more significant, is that Mr Akbar's response could also embolden others who have been named.

    Veteran actor Alok Nath, who has been accused of rape and sexual assault by a female director, has also sued for defamation, demanding a full written apology and token compensation of one rupee. It is likely that others named may do the same.

    But will this stop the momentum that has begun in the Indian media and entertainment industries?

    On the one hand, it could mean that women who were feeling empowered to come forward with their own stories will now stop - and others may feel pressured into taking back their complaints for fear of legal action.

    The long and arduous court processes will also make it hard for women to sustain the momentum of what they have begun.

    Mr Akbar was first named last week by Ms Ramani, who retweeted an article she had written for Vogue India in 2017 titled "To the Harvey Weinsteins of the world", where she recounted what she called her first experience of workplace harassment.

    Ms Ramani did not name anyone in the original piece, but said in a tweet on 8 October that the article had been about Mr Akbar.

    Since then, other women have come forward with their own stories naming Mr Akbar. At least one other anonymous account is believed to be about him.

    One of India's most influential editors, he has edited leading English-language newspapers such as The Telegraph and The Asian Age.

    In a statement posted on Twitter on Sunday, Mr Akbar said that the allegations are politically motivated as the country prepares for a general election next year.

    "Why has this storm risen a few months before a general election? Is there an agenda? You be the judge," he wrote.

    Many journalists and women have taken to social media to support those who have accused Mr Akbar of harassment.

    Comedians, journalists, authors, actors and filmmakers have been called out on social media in the past week.

    Veteran actor Alok Nath, and film directors Vikas Bahl, Subhash Ghai and Sajid Khan are among the other high-profile figures to be accused of sexual assault. They have all denied the allegations.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45860978

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    All these guys are putting these defamation cases because, these accusations are old. These predators know that it will hard to prove this in court of law as there is no proof or forensic evidence of these crimes. Even though I believe these accusations as no one gains anything by accusing these politicians.

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    I have revisited my stand on women accusing men of sexual harrassment.

    Earlier during the Ali Zaffar case, i believed that the woman was wrong to accuse Ali without proof and she should be sued if she cant prove her allegations.

    However, now i have revised these views because of the simple fact that a woman cannot possibly have a proof od sexual misconduct. At the most she can provide circumstantial evidence with many other women coming out and corroborating her story or by also blaming the same person for same crimes. This is hard to achieve in all cases. Some women even claim that men molested them in public and molestation is also a feeling which only the woman can know. How does one prove this and how utterly subjective this is!

    Another scenario is that spiteful women accusing men of sexual crimes after a bad breakup or some other motives. Yesterday i watched a news where a girl in US accused a black guy of raping her after having consensual sex with him. This because she didnt want to "lose another man who was a potential boyfriend". However, later she admitted that she made up the story and was sentenced to ONLY 1 YEAR in jail. However, the man would have been done for life if she hadnt had a change of heart. The man now suffers from anxiety and PTSD and said that he doesnt trust women anymore.

    The two scenarios together have made me reach a conclusion that i dont know what the solution to this problem is. There are women who are victims and there are women who call innocuous actions as harrasment. I wonder whether the age old tradition of segregation of sexes is the only practical solution to this. Obviously modern people would hate you if you suggest this because its more important to them than women feeling secure and innocent men not getting accused.

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    I am expecting Bollywood A listers to be named soon as well. In fact some days back some actress hinted Amitabh Bachhchan was a pervert as well. I won't be surprised if he is considering he had a well documented affair with Rekha whilst being married.


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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    All these guys are putting these defamation cases because, these accusations are old. These predators know that it will hard to prove this in court of law as there is no proof or forensic evidence of these crimes. Even though I believe these accusations as no one gains anything by accusing these politicians.
    I read an opinion piece by a woman in the times this week where she said the only answer was for women to report any misdemeanours immediately. The problem with digging up old cases from 20 years ago, is that there is not likely to be any corroborating evidence, and the charge could be motivated by other reasons, like revenge, or book sales, or even publicity for the sake of it.

    Obviously the majority of retrospective claims could well have some truth to them, but while the proof is sifted for, careers are destroyed and the entertainment industry is running scared.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    I am expecting Bollywood A listers to be named soon as well. In fact some days back some actress hinted Amitabh Bachhchan was a pervert as well. I won't be surprised if he is considering he had a well documented affair with Rekha whilst being married.
    Some lady has accused Salman Khan and his brothers of raping her. Nobody is exempted from this movement.

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    MJ Akbar: India minister quits after #MeToo allegations

    India's junior foreign minister MJ Akbar has resigned after numerous women accused him of sexual harassment and assault, officials have confirmed.

    The former prominent newspaper editor is the most high profile figure to be named in what is being called India's #MeToo movement.

    The charges range from "predatory behaviour" to sexual assault.

    Mr Akbar had earlier filed a criminal defamation case against the female journalist who first named him.

    He said in a statement that since he had decided to challenge the "false accusations" against him in his "personal capacity", he felt it was appropriate to step down from office.

    Mr Akbar's resignation came as pressure grew on the government to respond to the allegations being made against him.

    One of India's most influential editors, he has edited leading English-language newspapers in India, such as The Telegraph and The Asian Age.

    He was first named last week by journalist Priya Ramani, who retweeted an article she had written for Vogue India a year ago titled "To the Harvey Weinsteins of the world", where she recounted what she called her first experience of workplace harassment.

    Ms Ramani did not name anyone in the original piece, but said in her tweet that the article had been about Mr Akbar.

    Reacting to Mr Akbar's resignation, Ms Ramani tweeted that she had been "vindicated".




    Since Ms Ramani's earlier tweet, other women have come forward with their own stories, naming Mr Akbar. At least one other anonymous account is believed to be about him.

    Mr Akbar, who was travelling at the time of the allegations, returned to India on Monday and filed a defamation suit against Ms Ramani.

    Ms Ramani has said that she is "ready" to fight the case against her.

    Her tweet prompted other women to come forward with their own stories, naming Mr Akbar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I read an opinion piece by a woman in the times this week where she said the only answer was for women to report any misdemeanours immediately. The problem with digging up old cases from 20 years ago, is that there is not likely to be any corroborating evidence, and the charge could be motivated by other reasons, like revenge, or book sales, or even publicity for the sake of it.

    Obviously the majority of retrospective claims could well have some truth to them, but while the proof is sifted for, careers are destroyed and the entertainment industry is running scared.
    The reality of the matter is that most of these accused celebrities have been done so by multiple women. So there is definitely lot of truth to it. The problem though is that these women came and exposed them only now. There is no evidence forensic or otherwise. Even if there are witnesses, these biggies will silence them with money. That's the reason for these guys putting these cases. All these guys already have bad reputation within the industry, just that they have been holier than thou to the audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    I have revisited my stand on women accusing men of sexual harrassment.

    Earlier during the Ali Zaffar case, i believed that the woman was wrong to accuse Ali without proof and she should be sued if she cant prove her allegations.

    However, now i have revised these views because of the simple fact that a woman cannot possibly have a proof od sexual misconduct. At the most she can provide circumstantial evidence with many other women coming out and corroborating her story or by also blaming the same person for same crimes. This is hard to achieve in all cases. Some women even claim that men molested them in public and molestation is also a feeling which only the woman can know. How does one prove this and how utterly subjective this is!

    Another scenario is that spiteful women accusing men of sexual crimes after a bad breakup or some other motives. Yesterday i watched a news where a girl in US accused a black guy of raping her after having consensual sex with him. This because she didnt want to "lose another man who was a potential boyfriend". However, later she admitted that she made up the story and was sentenced to ONLY 1 YEAR in jail. However, the man would have been done for life if she hadnt had a change of heart. The man now suffers from anxiety and PTSD and said that he doesnt trust women anymore.

    The two scenarios together have made me reach a conclusion that i dont know what the solution to this problem is. There are women who are victims and there are women who call innocuous actions as harrasment. I wonder whether the age old tradition of segregation of sexes is the only practical solution to this. Obviously modern people would hate you if you suggest this because its more important to them than women feeling secure and innocent men not getting accused.
    Seggregation of sexes is ok, but let this time women make such rules , and men take a back seat.

    Let women make religions, and preach em and how they want men to be unlike how it has been all these centuries.

    I'm sure "modern" people will be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    The reality of the matter is that most of these accused celebrities have been done so by multiple women. So there is definitely lot of truth to it. The problem though is that these women came and exposed them only now. There is no evidence forensic or otherwise. Even if there are witnesses, these biggies will silence them with money. That's the reason for these guys putting these cases. All these guys already have bad reputation within the industry, just that they have been holier than thou to the audience.
    What I find more shameful is that only when the storm breaks in the American industry, then suddenly Indian women find their voice. It basically portrays that Indians have no moral compass of their own, they follow the western world in applying standards somewhat slavishly and I find this sad.

    Why couldn't Bollywood have led the way and started this movement and shamed America instead? The brown sahib mentality shows how far Indians need to go to establish their own identity and values.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    What I find more shameful is that only when the storm breaks in the American industry, then suddenly Indian women find their voice. It basically portrays that Indians have no moral compass of their own, they follow the western world in applying standards somewhat slavishly and I find this sad.

    Why couldn't Bollywood have led the way and started this movement and shamed America instead? The brown sahib mentality shows how far Indians need to go to establish their own identity and values.
    It depends which ones you pick and choose and what chips on the shoulders one has. India had criminalized untouchability in 1947 (year zero) yet america's consiousness was awakened only after rosa parks in 1955.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    It depends which ones you pick and choose and what chips on the shoulders one has. India had criminalized untouchability in 1947 (year zero) yet america's consiousness was awakened only after rosa parks in 1955.
    But since that time it would seem America has moved on in leaps and bounds, otherwise perhaps Indian women would led the #Hum-bhi movement and Americans would have echoed #Me-Too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Regardless of political leanings and affiliations, one of the most fundamental aspects of any judicial system is the belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty. This movement deserves respect in the sense that it no doubt is encouraging legitimate victims of sexual assault to come forward, shed their fears and get justice on those who abused them.

    That being said, it is frankly ludicrous that the individuals accused of this can be anonymously accused of the most heinous of crimes, have their names, careers, faces et al plastered everywhere for the media to feed on and character assassinate before even having a chance to respond. It is a very dangerous trend we're setting here to blindly believe every case without waiting for the facts, evidence and most importantly, courts to decide. Every individual has the right to innocence until a court of law determines otherwise, yet look at Kavanaugh in the US and many other cases popping up now, too many idiots in the world ascribe to the fools notion of "no smoke without fire" so really it wont matter if they are exonerated in court, the damage is already done.

    MeToo is not an anti-men movement trying to erase the male race, but it is not some infallible, foolproof bastion of truth either, like almost everything thr truth lies somewhere in between but it seems nobody in modern times is capable of stepping back,taking a deep breath and let the facts do the work, has to be hysteria, emotional extremes galore.

    In short, those accused have every right to anonymity as the accusers (rightfully) do. We cant foster a mentality whereby everyone accused of something is automatically guilty and should be shot, just as we cant wash away all accusations as someone attention seeking.




    Youre not getting it. First of all its not just a gender thing. Men go through this abuse as well. If not by some female employee in high power or even an abuse by another male. Secondly how do you prove something that most often than not is usually something that happens in closed doors. The trauma itself is something that cannot just be shared to the whole world and you just want to to forget the whole incident if anything.

    I do believe that shaming such folks on social media like twitter or facebook is the only way these things come to light and when more allegations come out against the same person , the case then has more meat for police and courts to then have the proper evidence it needs to convict the accused. Keep in mind when the victims are sharing this ordeal in public, its not easy at all for them since they are inturn reliving the abuse again in their minds and they know that they are also hurting their families, so its double the abuse and torture all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Seggregation of sexes is ok, but let this time women make such rules , and men take a back seat.

    Let women make religions, and preach em and how they want men to be unlike how it has been all these centuries.

    I'm sure "modern" people will be ok.
    Bro, i was not speaking of segregation from a religious angle here. And rules should be based on consensus of all as per the modern standards. See, i am not saying that its a perfect solution. I couldnt think of any other practical solution. I admitted in my post that i dont think i have a solution to this issue. Obviously better solutions should be preferred but they should be realistic. Not utopian crap like "men should act better" because bad people are a reality of life which isnt going go anywhere.

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    Alisha Chinai is the original #MeToo girl. The 90s popular pop singer had filed a sexual harassment suit against music composer-director Anu Mali back in the 1990s. After pressing charges, the Made in India singer went into hibernation, to try to deal with the trauma.

    She spent several years as a recluse in Alibaug, in her home that resembled the White House (she used to be called the First Lady of Jirad).

    “Every case and incident of sexual offence is very different, and only the one who wears the shoe knows where it hurts,” Alisha said.

    “When I sued (Anu) Malik, I fought it alone. It was an unprecedented landmark verdict and a restraining order was passed against him. The man has repeatedly begged for my forgiveness. I have chosen to forgive him and moved on,” she added.

    She demanded Rs 26.60 lakhs as compensation from the musician as settlement. Later, Anu Malik also filed a Rs 2 crore defamation case against her.

    After the ugly turns of events, the duo decided to never work together again. In 2002, however, Alisha sang a song for the music director in Shahid-Kapoor-starrer Ishq Vishk. They also appeared together as judges for singing reality show Indian Idol.

    Over 25 years later, Alisha is back with a song called ‘ Wild at Heart’, which is all about spirited women living life on their own terms. She also promises to perform it as a single at the Times Litfest at Mehboob Studios in December.

    Singer Sona Mohapatracalled Anu Malik a 'serial predator', an allegation the music director dismissed, claiming he has never met her. In an Instagram post, she wrote, "To all the young girls & women who are coming out with their experiences with this creep, journalists, ‘fans’ & even kids from college, know that you are not alone. This guy, #KailashKher is a serial predator & has been for years as are many others like Anu Malik in the industry."

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/66181047.cms
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    After Anu Malik's exit from Indian Idol, Salim and Sulaiman to be the first guest judges on the show?

    After music director Anu Malik was accused of sexual harassment by singer Shweta Pandit, the former was dropped as the judge of Indian Idol season 10. In an official statement, Sony TV spokesperson revealed that Anu Malik will no longer be a part of the of the Indian Idol jury panel. The statement also revealed that the show will its planned schedule and big names from the music industry will be invited as guests to join judges Neha Kakkar and Vishal Dadlani on the show.

    Recently, a report in Pinkvilla has revealed that the first guests to replace the music director on the show will be Salim Merchant and Sulaiman Merchant. The duo has given many hit songs including Kurbaan Hua, Mar Jawaan, Tu Hai and Jigar Da Tukda.

    On October 17, Shweta took to her Twitter handle and opened up about an alleged incident that took place in 2001. "This is my #MeToo and have to warn young girls about #AnuMalik & let you know your #TimesUp. Thank you @sonamohapatra for speaking up about him & supporting this," she wrote.

    In her post, Shweta revealed that she was just 15 years old when Anu Malik made her uncomfortable by asking her to kiss him.

    @ShwetaPandit7
    Had to go back to my worst memory as a teenage girl today to write this and speak up - its now or never. This is my #MeToo and have to warn young girls about #AnuMalik & let you know your #TimesUp @IndiaMeToo
    Thank you @sonamohapatra for speaking up about him & supporting this


    After the channel's statement, Anu Malik also released a statement in which he said, "I, Anu Malik, have decided to take a break from Indian Idol as I am currently unable to focus on my work on the show. The channel has been kind to agree for the same. Thank you," reports Pinkvilla.

    (Also Read: He was insistent that I came home: After Shweta Pandit, singer Caralisa Monteiro speaks up against Anu Malik)

    In the wake of India's MeToo movement, many women have opened up about the harassment incidents which they have faced in the past. It all started with former Miss India Tanushree Dutta's shocking revelation about veteran actor Nana Patekar.

    Tanushree accused Nana Patekar of harassing her on the sets of the 2009 film Horn Ok Pleassss. Till now many prominent celebrities including Alok Nath, Rajat Kapoor, Kailash Kher and Vikas Bahl have been accused of sexual misconduct.

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    AR Rahman On India's #MeToo After His Sister Says She 'Heard Stories About Vairamuthu'

    AR Rahman on Tuesday shared his opinion on the ongoing #MeToo movement in India saying that some of the names - of the survivors and their alleged predators - have "shocked" him. The Oscar-winning composer supported India's #MeToo movement, which is widespread on social media, but added: "We should be careful in creating a new internet justice system, in case it's misused."

    AR Rahman shared his statement hours after his sister AR Raihanah told The News Minute that she had heard stories of acclaimed lyricist Vairamuthu's sexual misconduct. Vairamuthu was accused of sexually harassing Chinmayi Sripaada. Several other women anonymously recounted their #MeToo stories implicating the poet. Vairamuthu and AR Rahman have collaborated on several projects including Mani Ratnam's Roja, for which they both won National Awards in their respective categories.

    AR Rahman's statement read: "Been observing the #MeToo movement. Some of the names have shocked me... both the victims and their perpetrators. I would love to see our industry become cleaner and respectful of women. More power to all the victims coming forward... Social media offers great freedom for victims to speak up, however, we should be careful in creating a new internet justice system, in case it's misused."

    Meanwhile, speaking to The News Minute about accusations against Vairamuthu, AR Raihanah said: "Several women have told me about Vairamuthu. It is an open secret and a lot of people have faced it." She also added, that Vairamuthu has "behaved with dignity" with her. "I have not faced it personally. He has behaved with great dignity to me in the few meetings that we have had. How can I blame him? What right do I have? Whoever has experienced harassment must report it."


    #MeToo movement knocked the doors of the Indian film industry after actress Tanushree Dutta revived a decade old sexual harassment claim against Nana Patekar. Several female artistes have recounted their stories, in which top film personalities such as Alok Nath, Subhash Ghai and Vikas Bahl among others have been implicated.

    https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/a...amuthu-1936030


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    BCCI’s CoA forms three-member committee to probe #MeToo allegations against CEO Rahul Johri

    The Board of Control for Cricket in India’s (BCCI) Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) has been split right down the middle in handling alleged sexual harassment claims against its CEO Rahul Johri.

    Chairman of the CoA Vinod Rai has prevented the immediate sacking of Johri as demanded by the other committee member, Diana Edulji. Rai said that Johri has given his explanation to the notice issued against him after an anonymous Twitter user accused him of sexual harassment at his previous organisation.

    The CoA have formed a committee consisting of former Allahabad High Court judge Justice Rakesh Sharma, who is the chairman, Delhi Commission for Women chairperson Barkha Singh and former CBI Director PC Sharma. The committee has been given 15 days to submit a report during which examinations of all the allegations will be done.

    According to a report in PTI on Thursday, Edulji along seven other BCCI state associations wanted Johri to be sacked. The Twitter post revealing the accusations has now been deleted.

    “In order to follow due process of law and principles of natural justice, an independent committee comprising of distinguished persons who are knowledgeable in this field should conduct a fair and transparent inquiry on an arm’s length basis and submit a report containing its findings and recommendation on the way forward,” the COA said in a statement on Thursday night.

    Johri has submitted his explanation on October 20 in which he denied all accusations against him. The CoA had met on October 20 and 22 to discuss the matter.

    “Diana Edulji, expressed her view that since the CEO has such grave sexual harassment allegations against him, it would not be in the interests of BCCI and Indian cricket that he represents BCCI. In view of this she suggested that he resign or his contract be terminated.

    “The Chairman of the COA did not agree and felt that an independent inquiry was necessary as the tweet was anonymous,” the COA statement said.

    Rai justified his stance and said that a probe has to be conducted as the accusation was made by an anonymous user on social media concerning Johri’s previous workplace.

    “The Chairman was very clear that in similar instances, the person against whom allegations had been made, were permitted to represent their case before an independent committee which would then take a considered view after weighing all evidence,” the statement read.

    “Ms Edulji informed the Chairman she would approach Learned Amicus Curiae Shri Gopal Subramanium for further guidance if no action is taken and the CEO is allowed to continue,” the COA statement added.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...l-johri-759260

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    An allegation should not mean one is guilty. You cannot fire somebody on the basis of an allegation. It needs to be properly inquired and investigated.

    Otherwise, every Tom, Dick and Harry with a grudge can throw allegations on anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    An allegation should not mean one is guilty. You cannot fire somebody on the basis of an allegation. It needs to be properly inquired and investigated.

    Otherwise, every Tom, Dick and Harry with a grudge can throw allegations on anyone.
    Thats not #MeToo

    This movenent is about a number of women coming forward to share harraaament by a certain individual. The details, the similarity in stories more and more witnesses joining makes it quite obvious.

    How many people are getti by fired anyway? Very very few. Dont overreact. If 1000 people are reported only a handful get fired or lose work.

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    Independent panel probing Johri must declare no conflict of interest: COA

    The independent panel probing the sexual harassment charge against BCCI CEO Rahul Johri must declare absence of any conflict of interest in its first meeting, the Committee of Administrators said Tuesday after a member had to be replaced owing to this reason.

    Laying down the terms of reference for the three-member panel, the COA said the probe committee will be free to investigate all charges against Johri and would be open to hearing any “person who is desirous of placing any fact” in the matter.

    Johri was accused of sexual harassment in an anonymous social media post, which has since been deleted. He has denied the allegation in response to the showcause notice issued by the COA.

    The probe panel originally comprised Former Allahabad High Court judge Justice Rakesh Sharma, former Delhi Commission for Women Chairperson Barkha Singh and Former CBI Director P C Sharma.

    However, Sharma was replaced by advocate Veena Gowda after it came to light that one of his relatives was a BCCI employee. The first meeting of the committee will be held in Mumbai but the date has not yet been specified.

    “In its first meeting each member of the Committee shall make a declaration of absence of conflict of interest in conducting an independent and fair enquiry against Mr. Rahul Johri,” stated the committee’s terms of reference posted on the BCCI website.

    The COA said all its communication with Johri will be provided to the independent committee.

    The three members of the committee would be paid Rs 1.5 lakh per meeting and the Board’s former internal complaints committee head Karina Kriplani will be its contact person for any assistance required from the BCCI.

    Kriplani has resigned from her position in the internal complaints committee but continues to be a legal advisor.

    The COA said that a public notice would be issued soon, inviting information.

    “The BCCI and all its office bearers/employees/consultants shall provide all assistance and co-operation to the Committee as it may require,” the COA stated.

    Apart from the anonymous social media charge, former Mumbai captain Shishir Hattangadi also claims to have information on Johri’s alleged misconduct in the past.

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    New Delhi: The three-member probe panel has summoned acting BCCI president CK Khanna and acting secretary Amitabh Choudhary to join treasurer Anirudh Chaudhry for deposition in the alleged sexual harassment case against CEO Rahul Johri.

    While treasurer Anirudh had emailed to the probe panel on Friday, offering to assist the panel in its probe against Johri, Khanna and Amitabh received mails from the panel on Sunday asking them for deposition.

    File image of BCCI acting secretary Amitabh Choudhary. AFP

    "Yes both CK Khanna and Amitabh have received mails to join Anirudh for a deposition in the sexual harassment case on Monday at the BCCI headquarters," a senior BCCI official told PTI on Sunday.

    With all three principal office bearers being called for deposition, the issue is becoming serious by the day.

    "This is the right decision by the panel to call all the office bearers for helping them assist in the probe. I believe all the employees (male and female) of BCCI should also be called for deposition," the official added.

    As of now, the only high profile deposition has been of former BCCI Anti-Corruption Unit head Neeraj Kumar, who appeared before the panel on Saturday via Skype.

    Monday is the last day for deposition while 15 November is the deadline for the probe panel to submit its report to the COA.

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    India needs #metoo more than any western country. It's so much more prevalent there not to mention how much tougher it is for a woman to speak up against things like this in Asia because of how reputation, ego, pride, etc play in South Asian family culture than anywhere else in the world.

    ofc some allegations might be fabricated, and although it might be a bit extreme, it was only a matter of time till an uprising went into effect.

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    #MeToo scandal: BCCI CEO Rahul Johri deposes before three-member committee

    Facing allegations of sexual harassment, BCCI CEO Rahul Johri on Tuesday deposed before the three-member probe panel appointed by the Committee of Administrators (CoA).

    It has also been learnt that two of the alleged victims have also deposed before the panel even though the dates of their appearance could not be confirmed.

    “Yes, Rahul appeared before the panel in person before the probe panel. Since two of the alleged victims have already deposed along with COA members and one of the principal office-bearer [treasurer Anirudh Chaudhary], only CEO was left,” a senior BCCI official told PTI on condition of anonymity.

    “One of the alleged victims deposed before the panel via Skype. The other was the latest complainant. However, I won’t be able to confirm whether she appeared in person or deposed via video conferencing,” the official said.

    It is still not clear if the probe panel comprising Allahabad High Court judge (Retd) Rakesh Sharma, former Delhi Commission of Women (DCW) chairperson Barkha Singh and lawyer activist Veena Gowda will seek more time for investigation. The panel is to submit its report to the CoA on November 15.

    The allegations against Johri surfaced when an author, Harnidh Kaur, shared an incident involving an unnamed person, who claimed to be Johri’s colleague during his stint at the Discovery Channel.

    Johri has worked in various positions with the Discovery channel from 2001 to 2016 before taking over as the BCCI CEO.

    Believed to be in his late 40s, he became the first CEO of the cricket body after its administrative structure underwent a revamp owing to the Lodha Committee recommendations.

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    #MeToo claims another high profile victim in India..

    Binny Bansal steps down as Flipkart CEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    #MeToo claims another high profile victim in India..

    Binny Bansal steps down as Flipkart CEO.
    He was likely removed just because Walmart wanted him to go. They didn't find any proof supporting the allegations despite conducting an investigation. It was well known right from the acquisition that Walmart wanted to get rid of Sachin and Binny.

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    Yeah, that looks closer to reality.

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    “This MeToo movement,” Bollywood starlet Preity Zinta, said air quoting the words, “if it is this much (signals to show a small amount) in the film industry, it is that much (signals to show a bigger amount) in every other industry. Having said that the film industry is one of the safest places, there are some of the most decent people I’ve worked with so I feel really bad when people say this industry is really bad.”

    The 43-year-old actor’s comments on the ongoing movement in one of her recent interviews went viral for all the wrong reasons. Her stance on #MeToo was so problematic that it caused Twitter outrage.

    While the Kya Kehna actor said she was glad that the movement has gained momentum in India, she believes it is “important that women use it for the right thing because there are men and women who would use the position of their power for their advantage.”

    She said, “There are small percentage of women that are using it, and they’re diluting the movement but there are also women who have gone through all these and we have heard so many stories in the industry.”

    “If you want to acknowledge that there is a problem, you have to first admit that at least there is (one) and then you solve the problem,” Zinta added.

    The actor was further asked if she has ever experienced any kind of bad behaviour in the industry, to which she replied, “No, I haven’t, I wish I had,” she laughed. “At least, then, I would have had an answer to tell you.”

    Zinta further shared that there are good and bad people everywhere, not just in the entertainment industry. So, according to her, instead of calling them out, the better resolve would be to change yourself.


    “There is nothing you can do to change the world and the only thing you can do is to change yourself,” commented the Veer-Zaara actor.

    “So if you go there, saying ‘I’ll do anything’, then you will be stupid to ask me not to do anything. But if I am coming here and saying that I am going to work really hard, I will do anything to work hard and I have no other nonsense to entertain, you will not (face anything)… If you feel that I am good at what I am doing, you are going to be like ‘theek hai (okay), you work.’ And I am a walking example of that. So I don’t believe any of the other things people have to say.”

    She then giggled and quips, “Though I heard a line – aaj ki Sweetu kal ki MeToo ho sakti hai (Today’s Sweetu can become tomorrow’s Me Too). So don’t hang out with any Sweetu.”

    After Zinta faced severe backlash, she took to Twitter to clarify her controversial remarks. She lashed out at Faridoon Shahryar (a known Indian journalist) for editing the interview in a debatable way.

    “Really sad to see how the interview is edited to trivialise and be insensitive. Not everything is traction and as someone being interviewed, I expected decency and maturity from a journalist. I did 25 interviews that day and only yours turned out edited like this,” she wrote.


    “I’m really surprised and upset that journalists like Faridoon take an interview and edit it to sound controversial for better traction. If I said “I wish someone had bothered me” – it meant I would have probable beaten them up if they had. Interview is taken out of context,” added Zinta.


    However, here’s an advice to the sound: Making a joke out of such a revolutionary movement for women as woman herself is despicable.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1850408...-preity-zinta/


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