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    Pakistan warns of "10 surgical strikes" if India carries out even one

    The war of words continue.



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    Of course Pak is gonna hit back hard, very hard. I have some pal's in the Pak military who tell me 500 most sensitive targets in India have already been located. The purpose will be to cause India and it's people massive psychological damage as well as physical one. India, test us at your peril! There is no such thing as limited war, they can start it but will have no control of how and when it ends. It could be the start of WW3 as all neighbouring countries particularly China will get involved.


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    Both nation will keep continuing these war of words, while creating whatever nuisance they can create for each other at the borders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Both nation will keep continuing these war of words, while creating whatever nuisance they can create for each other at the borders.
    It is India who is always talking about surgical strikes, not Pak. India is free to try.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    It is India who is always talking about surgical strikes, not Pak. India is free to try.
    I'm not denying that.


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    You said "Both nation will keep continuing these war of words" which is not true. Pak only replies to Indian nonsense every now and again. What is holding India back from attacking if they are so confident is the big question? Few years back we were told just let Modi come and he will sort out Pakistan out once and for all. What is India's excuse now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Of course Pak is gonna hit back hard, very hard. I have some pal's in the Pak military who tell me 500 most sensitive targets in India have already been located. The purpose will be to cause India and it's people massive psychological damage as well as physical one. India, test us at your peril! There is no such thing as limited war, they can start it but will have no control of how and when it ends. It could be the start of WW3 as all neighbouring countries particularly China will get involved.
    - All these suicidal talks usually comes from a side that is too afraid of actual confrontation.
    - Foreign forces have invaded Pakistan land, droned your people, you did nothing.
    - If India did cross LOC and took out terrorist camps, then you won't be hitting those 500 targets. What you will be doing is making emergency calls to Washngton and Beijing crying for a de-escalation.

    As for China joining and this becoming a WW3, I can only smile at your naivety. If it happens, this will be an Indian incursion against Pakistan's terrorist outfits. China has already spoken against those, and would be the last ones to risk a confrontation with India over a country that is already in their pocket. If anything, an India-Pak war gives them more leverage over Pakistan for future deals.

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    A bit late response isnt it? A couple years late after the surgical strike by india

    A case of new government showing it has a large mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someone21 View Post
    A bit late response isnt it? A couple years late after the surgical strike by india

    A case of new government showing it has a large mouth.
    lol, you really think that disneyland type surgical strike really occured ?

    Come out of your indian media and acquire your information from some authentic neutral sources.

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    The reality is that India can only do a surgical strike in a Bollywood movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Of course Pak is gonna hit back hard, very hard. I have some pal's in the Pak military who tell me 500 most sensitive targets in India have already been located. The purpose will be to cause India and it's people massive psychological damage as well as physical one. India, test us at your peril! There is no such thing as limited war, they can start it but will have no control of how and when it ends. It could be the start of WW3 as all neighbouring countries particularly China will get involved.
    Pakistan neither have the military capability nor the economic might to hit India at least one sensitive target at present.


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    The only surgical strike that India can do is in their media and for their naive populace to lap it up, nothing else


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    In the PK election Ind hardly featured much to the Ind media annoyance but As the election approaches in Ind, Modi will look to ratchet up the hype levels but this sort of thing can lead to real wars which neither can be seen to be backing down from. I dont need to remind anyone that with both sides armed with Nuclear weapons and if either is seen as losing, they will use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamIndian View Post
    Pakistan neither have the military capability nor the economic might to hit India at least one sensitive target at present.
    You should be thankful that your security establishment isn't as naive as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    In the PK election Ind hardly featured much to the Ind media annoyance but As the election approaches in Ind, Modi will look to ratchet up the hype levels but this sort of thing can lead to real wars which neither can be seen to be backing down from. I dont need to remind anyone that with both sides armed with Nuclear weapons and if either is seen as losing, they will use them.
    Real wars are not going to happen any time soon. Military higher ups at both sides are intelligent enough to know the repercussions of a full scale war between two countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    - All these suicidal talks usually comes from a side that is too afraid of actual confrontation.
    - Foreign forces have invaded Pakistan land, droned your people, you did nothing.
    - If India did cross LOC and took out terrorist camps, then you won't be hitting those 500 targets. What you will be doing is making emergency calls to Washngton and Beijing crying for a de-escalation.

    As for China joining and this becoming a WW3, I can only smile at your naivety. If it happens, this will be an Indian incursion against Pakistan's terrorist outfits. China has already spoken against those, and would be the last ones to risk a confrontation with India over a country that is already in their pocket. If anything, an India-Pak war gives them more leverage over Pakistan for future deals.
    You are now talking about the Nawaz and Zardari government who did nothing. Similarly when China invades your territory you sit by and play Cricket! I think you are talking about Kargil when you ran to the Yanks asking them to tell Pak to stop attacking and invading you. It is Indian always crying at the UN over what Pak is doing. If you are so hard then why not attack Pak and see as we were told before Modi became PM? Rather your immature views should be told to some nursery kids! China will aid Pak for themselves not because they love us or anything like that. They need Pak that is for sure however we can deal with you ourselves if need be. I can understand that Indian terrorists like Kulbushan and Sarbjit having been caught have upset the apple card then the Pak fauj has also destroyed all RAW terrorists in Afghanistan, peace in Pak greatly bothers Indian terrorists for sure. Chine has spoken against who and where? Pak is in no ones pocket but does best for itself. it is India who will run to Israel for help again like they always do after receiving a beating! Why don't you attack Pak and see the consequences, what are you waiting for now that the butcher of Gujarat is your PM?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IamIndian View Post
    Pakistan neither have the military capability nor the economic might to hit India at least one sensitive target at present.
    Then you can attack Pak and see how capable Pak is! I was reading before Modi became PM he was gonna do this and that so what happened?. You can't even defeat a few little girls with stones in their hand in IoK yet talk of going to war against Pak!!! First go and feed your starving soldiers who lives on soup and burnt roti's!


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    Modi: Imran, I need your help.
    Imran: Ask away
    Modi: Election is coming up and in order for me to win, I need to increase the anti Pak agenda
    Imran: I would do the same.
    Modi: I need you to speak out more about anti India agenda, so I can get the ppl here riled up
    Imran: Done
    Modi: Thank you, you know how it is, we need to do what we have to, to stay in power
    Imran: Thank god these ppl that elect us are gullible.
    Modi: You are correct young man, and dont worry I will return the favour when the time comes for your re-election...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Something View Post
    The reality is that India can only do a surgical strike in a Bollywood movie.
    This.


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    BJP will defo launch its traditional anti Pak campaign with all its surgical lies, Modi himself accused Pak of minging even in local Gujarat elections, just imagine the mindset/paranoia of the common/more radicalized Hindu nationalist :


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Then you can attack Pak and see how capable Pak is! I was reading before Modi became PM he was gonna do this and that so what happened?. You can't even defeat a few little girls with stones in their hand in IoK yet talk of going to war against Pak!!! First go and feed your starving soldiers who lives on soup and burnt roti's!
    All this yet you guys surrendered Dhaka and ran away in Kargil.Shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    You should be thankful that your security establishment isn't as naive as you are.
    He is right.Your economy cant sustain a war.Your army is smaller and is inferiorily equipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is right.Your economy cant sustain a war.Your army is smaller and is inferiorily equipped.
    What you have said might be right but still we can inflict considerable damage to the opposition in a limited time period. India would have invaded Pakistan by now if it wasn't the case.

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    Once again it will be the ordinary poor people on both sides that will suffer the most . Think logically people. What exactly will all this war hysteria achieve in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classic View Post
    Once again it will be the ordinary poor people on both sides that will suffer the most . Think logically people. What exactly will all this war hysteria achieve in the long run.
    In India, victory of radicalized extremists religious party in Election.

    Obsession with Pakistan in India, specially during election is laughable, which become sad when ordinary citizens of India fell for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is right.Your economy cant sustain a war.Your army is smaller and is inferiorily equipped.
    And yet Indian army with its big gun bought by big $$$ bills had to stage fake surgical strike.

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    All for domestic consumption. If there is one fake surgical strike, why canít there 10 fake surgical strikes in retaliation? Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    All this yet you guys surrendered Dhaka and ran away in Kargil.Shame.
    Rather it was you you went to the Yanks and Israel begging us to stop whipping you in Kargil. Unlike you we don't deliver a zillion warnings then do nothing! We did not even warn you that Kargil was coming! You do remember how we tore you apart in 1947? That was the sweetest thing ever! What happened to all pre Modi threats you were making to us?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Rather it was you you went to the Yanks and Israel begging us to stop whipping you in Kargil. Unlike you we don't deliver a zillion warnings then do nothing! We did not even warn you that Kargil was coming! You do remember how we tore you apart in 1947? That was the sweetest thing ever! What happened to all pre Modi threats you were making to us?
    British Parliament made two countries. Not you or any pakistani. Arent you guys ashamed claiming other people's or country's acts as your own?

    The Pakistani PM was in Washington begging Clinton to intercede. Indian PM was in Delhi. The then Pakistani PM is on record stating that Kargil was a dabacle.

    You guys ran away from Kargil and didnot even accept your dead. Such a shameful thing to do for any army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    British Parliament made two countries. Not you or any pakistani. Arent you guys ashamed claiming other people's or country's acts as your own?

    The Pakistani PM was in Washington begging Clinton to intercede. Indian PM was in Delhi. The then Pakistani PM is on record stating that Kargil was a dabacle.

    You guys ran away from Kargil and didnot even accept your dead. Such a shameful thing to do for any army.
    Yeah right keep dreaming that the Brits made two countries when they could not stand Quaid Jinnah! This is why most Indian's hate him, in the movie "Gandhi" he is clearly shown as the man who demanded Pakistan. Why would we be ashamed when we are the people of the soil, the original people of the Indus valleys. India was never one country to begin with so the creation of Pak was a very natural thing. Pak's mistake at Kargil was traitor Nawaz otherwise we had you by the throat good and well, the military had to pull out coz of the Pak government at the time. It is well documented that Israel helped you at Kargil otherwise we would have punished you even more. It is understandable that we could not go back for our dead in case you started firing to avenge our original attack. You did not come back to claim all your dead in 1947 either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Yeah right keep dreaming that the Brits made two countries when they could not stand Quaid Jinnah! This is why most Indian's hate him, in the movie "Gandhi" he is clearly shown as the man who demanded Pakistan. Why would we be ashamed when we are the people of the soil, the original people of the Indus valleys. India was never one country to begin with so the creation of Pak was a very natural thing. Pak's mistake at Kargil was traitor Nawaz otherwise we had you by the throat good and well, the military had to pull out coz of the Pak government at the time. It is well documented that Israel helped you at Kargil otherwise we would have punished you even more. It is understandable that we could not go back for our dead in case you started firing to avenge our original attack. You did not come back to claim all your dead in 1947 either.
    British parliament via an act made Pakistan. Thats the fact.

    Indus Valley was spread over a large area. The largest indus valley site lies in India.

    India was never a country. Lol. Yet europeans were looking for it.

    Pakistan army was desperate to try and save face. Thats why Sharif ran to Washington. The Indian PM was cooling in Delhi.

    What dead in 1947? Huh? Which army fought that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Yeah right keep dreaming that the Brits made two countries when they could not stand Quaid Jinnah! This is why most Indian's hate him, in the movie "Gandhi" he is clearly shown as the man who demanded Pakistan. Why would we be ashamed when we are the people of the soil, the original people of the Indus valleys. India was never one country to begin with so the creation of Pak was a very natural thing. Pak's mistake at Kargil was traitor Nawaz otherwise we had you by the throat good and well, the military had to pull out coz of the Pak government at the time. It is well documented that Israel helped you at Kargil otherwise we would have punished you even more. It is understandable that we could not go back for our dead in case you started firing to avenge our original attack. You did not come back to claim all your dead in 1947 either.
    So which country's PM exactly was Nawaz Sharif back then who went running to the President of America? The Indian PM was invited by the US President for talks over the war, and he didn't accept the invitation.

    You guys started the war, and when couldn't take the heat, went running to the US like a little girl crying for help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    British parliament via an act made Pakistan. Thats the fact.

    Indus Valley was spread over a large area. The largest indus valley site lies in India.

    India was never a country. Lol. Yet europeans were looking for it.

    Pakistan army was desperate to try and save face. Thats why Sharif ran to Washington. The Indian PM was cooling in Delhi.

    What dead in 1947? Huh? Which army fought that?
    actually that's untrue. I have it from soldiers who fought in kargil that they were given orders to move only once sharif had gone over to the US and started crying like a girl. The army had enough rations and supplies to last another 10-15 days which was all they needed to do. India was done and dusted within a month if the PA stayed there. Even today we have not let go of some strategic heights won during that confrontation. Kargil was also a counterweight plan to advance moves on the LOC by the Indians who had a history of aggressive moves along that line and others e.g. siachen etc..

    You cannot get away with any move like siachen again. Kargil made sure of that and any move across the international border will be an act of war. There is no limited engagement in the subcontinent. Indias current aquisitions points to their desire to enable limited strikes without an adequate response from the pakistan armed forces. the s-400 and rafael purchases show that india desires to "teach pakistan a lesson"...but everyone knows that any adventure in the sub continenet never goes the way its supposed to.

    better for us to talk peace and leave the battles to the sports fields..we can all puff our chests out and shout but from the sports stands..a war is not in our interests..our economy is terrible thanks to nawaz, our forces are stretched and do not want any major engagements across the eastern border..i have it from the mouth of a senior officer that they hate it when indian soldiers get sniped by the SSG becasue it heats things up aloong the whole LOC..the best position is when the LOC is calm and we are sending each other mithai..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    So which country's PM exactly was Nawaz Sharif back then who went running to the President of America? The Indian PM was invited by the US President for talks over the war, and he didn't accept the invitation.

    You guys started the war, and when couldn't take the heat, went running to the US like a little girl crying for help.
    Rubbish! We had you tightly by the neck like Khabib did McGregor some days back. Would have punished you even more if Nawaz had not gone running to the Yanks. He is and was a traitor going against our military. Just cause he went to the Americans does not suggest the military lost rather he did not want to spoil his personal interests with India. Babies are those who keep crying about 26/11, Hafiz Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Pathankot, Uri, Lakhvi, Jinnah portrait hanging in India and every man and it's dog. Time for India to forget all this and move on coz the world does not care.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Rubbish! We had you tightly by the neck like Khabib did McGregor some days back. Would have punished you even more if Nawaz had not gone running to the Yanks. He is and was a traitor going against our military. Just cause he went to the Americans does not suggest the military lost rather he did not want to spoil his personal interests with India. Babies are those who keep crying about 26/11, Hafiz Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Pathankot, Uri, Lakhvi, Jinnah portrait hanging in India and every man and it's dog. Time for India to forget all this and move on coz the world does not care.
    Once again, which country's PM went crying to the Americans like a little girl back then, India's PM or Pakistan's PM?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Once again, which country's PM went crying to the Americans like a little girl back then, India's PM or Pakistan's PM?
    ...and why does India love Nawaz Sharif so much if you can answer with a straight face?? Why are Mani Shankar and Rajiv Gandhi of Congress so pro Pakistani? Who keeps crying like babies over the said people and incidents? I gave you a reason why Nawaz went running to the Americans now you answer my questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    ...and why does India love Nawaz Sharif so much if you can answer with a straight face?? Why are Mani Shankar and Rajiv Gandhi of Congress so pro Pakistani? Who keeps crying like babies over the said people and incidents? I gave you a reason why Nawaz went running to the Americans now you answer my questions.
    Rajiv Gandhi died more than 2 decades ago. Regarding Dawood Ibrahim and Hafeez Saeed, they are UN designated terrorists who were responsible for attacks in India. Look at what America did when Al Qaeda waged war on them in 2001. Any country would fume and try to bring terrorists to justice if they attack their country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    The army had enough rations and supplies to last another 10-15 days which was all they needed to do. India was done and dusted within a month if the PA stayed there.
    Sir,

    With all due respects, do you think India would have just sat still while you occupied Indian territory, in regards to above? You can damn well bet a full Indian counteract would have occurred, result would be Pakistan taken off the map, yes Pakistani Nukes would have fallen on India but you would not exist now, India would survive.

    This is your problem, this thinking of; even if we lose both our eyes as long as we take out India's one eye, everything is good. You can thank your lucky stars Nawaz ran to the US to intervene otherwise it would be a sad state of affairs for Pakistan now. Also in regards to the S400 & the Rafale, you are giving yourself too much credit when you say they are meant for Pakistan, IT IS NOT, our Sukhoi's and other assets are more than enough for Pakistan, the new French & Russian acquisition is for the Chinese..

    I agree peace is the only way forward but everything about your country is a disaster from politics to economy to you name it. I cant think of one good thing about Pakistan right now and with this ongoing suicidal mentality, I think it is only a matter of time before Pakistan does something silly again...


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    Rajiv Gandhi died more than 2 decades ago. Regarding Dawood Ibrahim and Hafeez Saeed, they are UN designated terrorists who were responsible for attacks in India. Look at what America did when Al Qaeda waged war on them in 2001. Any country would fume and try to bring terrorists to justice if they attack their country.
    Does not matter if UN designated them as terrorists. They are still in Pak. you have been unable to do anything about those on your wanted list which is the point here so keep crying like babies. Hell, you can't even get your own Zakir Naik back from Malaysia Oh by the way I meant pro Pak Rahul Gandhi and Congress, not Rajiv. By the way Israel helped you in Kargil otherwise we would have hammered you even more!!

    https://hindutva.info/indo-israel-co...ng-kargil-war/ amongst many other links on it.


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    actually that's untrue. I have it from soldiers who fought in kargil that they were given orders to move only once sharif had gone over to the US and started crying like a girl. The army had enough rations and supplies to last another 10-15 days which was all they needed to do. India was done and dusted within a month if the PA stayed there. Even today we have not let go of some strategic heights won during that confrontation. Kargil was also a counterweight plan to advance moves on the LOC by the Indians who had a history of aggressive moves along that line and others e.g. siachen etc..
    Excuses reminiscent of the losing party in any war/conflict. If-but-coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Bottomline - Uncle Mushy was happy to embark on this misadventure all by himself and when things got heated, he was only happier to throw all his soldiers under the (Indian) bus. Accept this cold, hard truth and you may perhaps imbibe its learnings and win the next battle*, if god forbid we even have one.

    * I am assuming you have something to do with the Pakistan Army, judging by the authoritative nature and knowhow in many of your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    By the way Israel helped you in Kargil otherwise we would have hammered you even more!!
    Israel is terrific. Best ally to have - it's like having a very large club that has a lengthy track record of demolishing the sorry bunch of losers in their immediate geography and leave them a whimpering mess, so it would have been a strategic error if we didn't make good use of them in 1999, among other scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Israel is terrific. Best ally to have - it's like having a very large club that has a lengthy track record of demolishing the sorry bunch of losers in their immediate geography and leave them a whimpering mess, so it would have been a strategic error if we didn't make good use of them in 1999, among other scenarios.
    To add to the above @PakLFC, if you want to bring up Israel, your argument should revolve around why the 17 or 18 Arab states didn't come to your rescue and defeat both India and Israel in this war. Either they don't care about Pakistan or they're too feeble to lift a finger. Probably both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Does not matter if UN designated them as terrorists. They are still in Pak. you have been unable to do anything about those on your wanted list which is the point here so keep crying like babies. Hell, you can't even get your own Zakir Naik back from Malaysia Oh by the way I meant pro Pak Rahul Gandhi and Congress, not Rajiv. By the way Israel helped you in Kargil otherwise we would have hammered you even more!!

    https://hindutva.info/indo-israel-co...ng-kargil-war/ amongst many other links on it.
    When did I ever deny any of that? I was merely answering your question. You asked me why does India keep speaking of those people, I gave you the reason.

    As for Israel, where were your Chinese friends back then? Or how about those Arab countries? Could it be that they don't care about you? Those same people whose history and accomplishments you are so proud of, and even go to the length of claiming their history as your own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Israel is terrific. Best ally to have - it's like having a very large club that has a lengthy track record of demolishing the sorry bunch of losers in their immediate geography and leave them a whimpering mess, so it would have been a strategic error if we didn't make good use of them in 1999, among other scenarios.
    So India can not defeat Pak on its own?? This means Pak is to strong for you on despite being nine times smaller which is the point I was making here. Israel is your friend due to it's hatred for Islam and Muslim people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    To add to the above @PakLFC, if you want to bring up Israel, your argument should revolve around why the 17 or 18 Arab states didn't come to your rescue and defeat both India and Israel in this war. Either they don't care about Pakistan or they're too feeble to lift a finger. Probably both.
    Where did I say that Arab's have never helped Pak but not in Kargil. In the 1965 war Muslim countries did help Pakistan. They do care about Pakistan and the Palestinians and Turks have great respect for us. The point here is that despite being so much larger in size India needed outside help against a much smaller Pakistan. Where was Israel when you got battered by China in 1962?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    When did I ever deny any of that? I was merely answering your question. You asked me why does India keep speaking of those people, I gave you the reason.

    As for Israel, where were your Chinese friends back then? Or how about those Arab countries? Could it be that they don't care about you? Those same people whose history and accomplishments you are so proud of, and even go to the length of claiming their history as your own.
    You said Nawaz went crying to the Americans which I explained was not the position of the Pak military at the times. I am now reminding you who goes running to them over the said things. Where did I say that you are denying anything? China not helping us means we can take you on ourselves. We know where China was in 1962 spanking you like your daddy, where was your Israel then? No we do not claim Chinese history unlike you American wannabe's who have sold out your own culture to them. Israel supported you coz they see Pakistan as it's biggest threat where as India is no threat to India. They will swallow you in one gulp!


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    I can understand a smaller country like Pakistan seeking outside help against a much larger adversary. Sheer humiliation for the soldiers of a country nine times larger in size seeking the help of another country This is why I mock Indian soldiers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    You said Nawaz went crying to the Americans which I explained was not the position of the Pak military at the times. I am now reminding you who goes running to them over the said things. Where did I say that you are denying anything? China not helping us means we can take you on ourselves. We know where China was in 1962 spanking you like your daddy, where was your Israel then? No we do not claim Chinese history unlike you American wannabe's who have sold out your own culture to them. Israel supported you coz they see Pakistan as it's biggest threat where as India is no threat to India. They will swallow you in one gulp!
    I meant India is no threat to China


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    Sir,

    With all due respects, do you think India would have just sat still while you occupied Indian territory, in regards to above? You can damn well bet a full Indian counteract would have occurred, result would be Pakistan taken off the map, yes Pakistani Nukes would have fallen on India but you would not exist now, India would survive.

    So your saying if we had continued on you would have crossed the international border? No. the powers would have intervened within four weeks. Why do you think Clinton got involved? Pakistans ultimate aim was to bring all parties to the table. That was the point. There would have been no nuclear exchange because both parties would have agreed to a ceasefire and an exchange of territory. That is the history of engagements like this. India would never have crossed the international border. You had yur chance in 2001 and failed miserably. But like I said that is now in the past.


    This is your problem, this thinking of; even if we lose both our eyes as long as we take out India's one eye, everything is good. You can thank your lucky stars Nawaz ran to the US to intervene otherwise it would be a sad state of affairs for Pakistan now. Also in regards to the S400 & the Rafale, you are giving yourself too much credit when you say they are meant for Pakistan, IT IS NOT, our Sukhoi's and other assets are more than enough for Pakistan, the new French & Russian acquisition is for the Chinese..

    With all due respect, 75% of all of your militry assets are pointed towards Pakistan. you have no chance against China. But you have more than a proper chance against us. cold start and other doctrines are all pakistan specific. Your proxy war within our borders is also testament to this fact.

    I agree peace is the only way forward but everything about your country is a disaster from politics to economy to you name it. I cant think of one good thing about Pakistan right now and with this ongoing suicidal mentality, I think it is only a matter of time before Pakistan does something silly again...

    Actually our politics is vibrant and we have seen democracy taking root with the current elections. We have democratically elected progressive government. Our economy is fundamentally sound with a growth rate of over 5%. Yes our exports have declined which has caused a balance of payments problem but this will be solved within a year to 18 months. Already our textile industry has been given a boost that will add a few billion to the exchequer. We have a young hard working population eager to progress. Extremism has been defeated. We have a country that is self sufficient in the production of food and we have dreduced poverty considerably in the last 10-15 years to below 30%. These are considerable achievements. Yes we need to do more but we are on the right track.

    Now lets look at our neighbours. Yes a massive economy no doubt. A massive middle class no doubt. Yet your government is an extremist nationalistic fascist government that encourages lynchings. rape is endemic, female infanticide is at world record levels. Your killing your own future. You have a state Haryana where gang rape seems to be a sport and pastime. So before criticising Pakistan I suggest you look at your own house. The UN is also very close to declaring caste based discrimination a crime against basic human rights. The caste system is part of your society. Again not exactly something to be proud about. 14 of the 20 worst polluted cities in the world are in India. your women are becoming etinct, your cities polluted so your children are dying, your govt is lynching minorities. I know which country i see having a brighter future..
    but you go right ahead and worry about Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Excuses reminiscent of the losing party in any war/conflict. If-but-coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Bottomline - Uncle Mushy was happy to embark on this misadventure all by himself and when things got heated, he was only happier to throw all his soldiers under the (Indian) bus. Accept this cold, hard truth and you may perhaps imbibe its learnings and win the next battle*, if god forbid we even have one.

    * I am assuming you have something to do with the Pakistan Army, judging by the authoritative nature and knowhow in many of your posts.
    i do not personally serve but know people who do. I also keep abreast of defence shenanigans in general and specifically too where I can.

    Your Right about Mushy by the way. It was strategic miscalculation but at the same time I can see why they did it. i posted about this in an earlier thread. the fog of war created a situation and then both nations barrelled right into it. The political side, once we were in, was completley mishandled by Nawaz sharif even though he knew everything about the operation. He completley betrayed the PA and thats one of the reason why many army officers began to hate him.

    I should clarify when i said they were ordered to move I meant pull back..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    but you go right ahead and worry about Pakistan.
    This is the problem with you guys *deluded*, India's military focus is 75% on Pakistan ?? Oh pleaseeee, you are more of a nuisance than a threat. Lets be honest, India doesn't need to do much against Pakistan, you self destruct on your own spectacularly, India just need to sit back and watch...China is the only threat and a big one that can take India out, deep down you know it too but your pride wont let you admit it....


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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Actually our politics is vibrant and we have seen democracy taking root with the current elections. We have democratically elected progressive government. Our economy is fundamentally sound with a growth rate of over 5%. Yes our exports have declined which has caused a balance of payments problem but this will be solved within a year to 18 months. Already our textile industry has been given a boost that will add a few billion to the exchequer. We have a young hard working population eager to progress. Extremism has been defeated. We have a country that is self sufficient in the production of food and we have dreduced poverty considerably in the last 10-15 years to below 30%. These are considerable achievements. Yes we need to do more but we are on the right track.
    I am sorry but did I read that right ? Extremism has been defeated in Pakistan ? the same Pakistan where camel jockey's like Hafeez Saeed have their own political parties ???? OH good lord...


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    This is the problem with you guys *deluded*, India's military focus is 75% on Pakistan ?? Oh pleaseeee, you are more of a nuisance than a threat. Lets be honest, India doesn't need to do much against Pakistan, you self destruct on your own spectacularly, India just need to sit back and watch...China is the only threat and a big one that can take India out, deep down you know it too but your pride wont let you admit it....
    Some of these army f@nboys are completely out of touch with reality. They think wars are like Cricket match where a few slogs from Afridi can somehow snatch Pakistan a victory from the jaws of defeat. This is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    This is the problem with you guys *deluded*, India's military focus is 75% on Pakistan ?? Oh pleaseeee, you are more of a nuisance than a threat. Lets be honest, India doesn't need to do much against Pakistan, you self destruct on your own spectacularly, India just need to sit back and watch...China is the only threat and a big one that can take India out, deep down you know it too but your pride wont let you admit it....
    So you're telling us that India doesn't consider a country with 1.1 billion less population as direct threat, that would seem logical ? And China is way too ahead tbh India is blocked because of the caste system (if a Vaishya takes 1 generations to become middle class, a Dalit would take 5-6, bringing down the overall HDI etc) and its religious diversity. They themselves see the US as their rivals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    I am sorry but did I read that right ? Extremism has been defeated in Pakistan ? the same Pakistan where camel jockey's like Hafeez Saeed have their own political parties ???? OH good lord...
    How did Hafiz Saeed, his relatives and his parties do in the latest general elections ?

    It's not a matter of camel jockey or chaiwala but of their electoral plebiscite by the masses.

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    I am sorry but did I read that right ? Extremism has been defeated in Pakistan ? the same Pakistan where camel jockey's like Hafeez Saeed have their own political parties ???? OH good lord...
    mybe I should clarify violent extremism has been defeated..the rest just make noises nd nobody listens..they have some street power but overall are pretty useless..unlike your country where they lynch a muslim then stand for office and get elected..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    This is the problem with you guys *deluded*, India's military focus is 75% on Pakistan ?? Oh pleaseeee, you are more of a nuisance than a threat. Lets be honest, India doesn't need to do much against Pakistan, you self destruct on your own spectacularly, India just need to sit back and watch...China is the only threat and a big one that can take India out, deep down you know it too but your pride wont let you admit it....
    this is where your brain and mouth seperate...this is a FACT..not from me , not from a "camel jockey" as you claim (thats a racial slur by the way) but an undeniable fact..now you can make light of it all you want but your country is obsessed with pakistan. Your PM and politicians talk about us all the time. You people come on our forums to talk about us too..the internet is full of indian trolls infecting normal pakistani twitter accounts or Muslim accounts..says a lot my friend..

    lets play a game to prove my point. Your elections re coming up, I want you to tell me how many times a politician in your election mentions pakistan and then compare it to how many times one of our lot mentioned India. Your TV and films are obsessed with Pakistan (especially female pakistanis which is just creepy and sick considering the state of womens rights in your country)

    as fo the comment by @BlackShadow where have I said war is a game? I simply put a contrary point of view to yours. it seems Indian trolls are never good at dealing with a contrary point of view..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    this is where your brain and mouth seperate...this is a FACT..not from me , not from a "camel jockey" as you claim (thats a racial slur by the way) but an undeniable fact..now you can make light of it all you want but your country is obsessed with pakistan. Your PM and politicians talk about us all the time. You people come on our forums to talk about us too..the internet is full of indian trolls infecting normal pakistani twitter accounts or Muslim accounts..says a lot my friend..

    I did not say you were a camel jockey, stop making up things because you are getting emotional. A Camel jockey in my eyes is a Hafeez Saeed who will contribute nothing worthwhile to a society. You are getting confused with the Indian Media obsession with Pakistan, yes mention the word Pakistan and it sells like hot cakes however that has nothing to do with the purchase of S400 or Rafale, you are comparing apples and oranges scenario with the China threat.


    lets play a game to prove my point. Your elections re coming up, I want you to tell me how many times a politician in your election mentions pakistan and then compare it to how many times one of our lot mentioned India. Your TV and films are obsessed with Pakistan (especially female pakistanis which is just creepy and sick considering the state of womens rights in your country)

    Yes Yes Yes mention Pakistan and it gets you votes I am not going to deny, read POST 18, I already beat you to it buddy.. Now in regards to the women issue, I never said India was perfect, it is a messed up country in so many sense, I openly admit it, Indians are also lost cases in so many ways however Pakistan is a disaster, sorry a country that has achieved nothing since independence and going down the barrel. Also the mention of how Women are treated, your media in muslim countries hardly covers this issue India being a democracy brings the ugly side in the open so it is more known but not the case for Pakistan, so you cant exactly ask for saint hood.

    as fo the comment by @BlackShadow where have I said war is a game? I simply put a contrary point of view to yours. it seems Indian trolls are never good at dealing with a contrary point of view..
    Bold &, Brother don't think I am insulting you in anyway, I do have high regard for you in this forum, you are one of the knowledgeable and level headed ones here. However got to disagree on S400, Rafale & Kargil...


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    Bold &, Brother don't think I am insulting you in anyway, I do have high regard for you in this forum, you are one of the knowledgeable and level headed ones here. However got to disagree on S400, Rafale & Kargil...
    Lol I just read post 18...lol..so true with our politicians.

    Ok sorry for getting a bit hot under the collar. I'm getting old..

    Right lets separate the two issues. The raphael is a multi role fighter so theoretically in an india pakistan engagement the Indian top brass would be foolish to keep it grounded. Granted you are only ordering 36 (which in itself is a suspicious purchase because it doesnt really scare China but does threaten Pakistan).

    Moving onto the S400 purchase, this missile system can cover , I believe, nearly all of Pakistani airspace, or most of it depending where you will deploy it. To counter it we will need to saturate the environment with cruise missiles or MIRV's, Drones or ballistic missiles. Either way what it does is give India the chance to excecute its strategy of a limited strike. It actually increases the chances of an engagement in the future unless pakistan can come up with a counter..

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    Maurya empire is a myth.

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    Mauryans ruled almost the entire subcontinent and parts of Afghanistan.I know your history is weak or you live on propoganda but learning helps you see.

    Now name one emperor from the areas of present day pakistan please.
    It's ironic Hindus criticize the Mughals and other Muslim warriors while making heroes out of the Maurya's and other Hindu kings, well known for their barbarism and cruelty documented in their own scriptures with pride, do you know the Kalinga war (where I guess Hindus killed Hindus) was so bloody that it's the actual reason Ashoka abandonned Hinduism ?

    That's from Bengali intellectual Nirad Chaudhuri in his Continent of Circe :

    About twenty-five words in an inscription of Asoka have succeeded in almost wholly suppressing the thousands in the rest of the epigraphy and the whole of Sanskrit literature which bear testimony to the incorrigible militarism of the Hindus. Their political history is made up of blood-stained pages. Asoka himself said that in order to conquer Kalinga, that is, to make a small addition to the conquests’ of his father and grandfather, he had to wage a war in the course of which fifty thousand people had to be deported, one hundred thousand were killed, and many times this number perished in other ways. Though Maurya imperialism was certainly imitative of the Achaemenian, the kings of the dynasty did not imitate the humanity of Cyrus. Their methods of war were Assyrian, and recall in the killings and deportations the ferocity of an Ashur-nasir-pal.

    Asoka added, seemingly without even any unconscious irony, that after the annexation of the region his mind turned to Dharma. He could let it do so, for there was nothing left to conquer in Aryan India. There was also no other way open to him to expiate for the bloodshed except by reducing the number of animals slaughtered for the royal kitchen. From many thousands they were brought down to three — two peacocks and one gazelle, and it was promised even this would be stopped. It seems possible that the practice in the Hindu Bania or commercial order of atoning for their methods of earning money by feeding ants and preserving bed-bugs was derived from this exalted precedent.

    Between this unnecessary proclamation of non-violence in the third century b.c. and its reassertion, largely futile, in the twentieth century by Mahatma Gandhi, there is not one word of non-violence in the theory and practice of statecraft by the Hindus. Read all the inscriptions, and you will find that when they are not bare records of gifts or genealogy, they are proclamations of the victories and the conquests of the kings concerned.

    The martial boasting is found not only among the Hindu kings, but equally among the Buddhist: Harsha, Dharmapala, or Devapala, who were no less warlike than the Guptas. Mudgagiri-samavasita-jayaskandhavarat — from the camp of victory pitched at Monghyr, Dharmapala announced that his cavalry was raising the dust to the skies.

    The whole of Sanskrit literature, from the epics down to the latest long poems, is full of accounts of battles and exultation over war and conquest. These were the business of Hindu kings. They were always praised for having exterminated all their enemies, and one uniform formula of glorification for them is that they raised universal lamentation among the wives of the enemy folks.
    @Cpt. Rishwat who spoke of Hindu bigotry in that other thread would be interested as well.

    And from present day Pak, apart from the river from which "India" is named (when will you go for "Bharat" ?), the Lodi dynasty which ruled Delhi before the Mughals were Pashtuns originally from Multan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Lol I just read post 18...lol..so true with our politicians.

    Ok sorry for getting a bit hot under the collar. I'm getting old..

    Right lets separate the two issues. The raphael is a multi role fighter so theoretically in an india pakistan engagement the Indian top brass would be foolish to keep it grounded. Granted you are only ordering 36 (which in itself is a suspicious purchase because it doesnt really scare China but does threaten Pakistan).

    Ofcourse if Pakistan vs India conflict came up, Rafale & The S400 would be assets that would be used however the purchase reason predominately for defense against a Chinese attack.

    Moving onto the S400 purchase, this missile system can cover , I believe, nearly all of Pakistani airspace, or most of it depending where you will deploy it. To counter it we will need to saturate the environment with cruise missiles or MIRV's, Drones or ballistic missiles. Either way what it does is give India the chance to excecute its strategy of a limited strike. It actually increases the chances of an engagement in the future unless pakistan can come up with a counter..

    I am not disagreeing with the above but I don't believe there would be another India Pak war, unless ofcourse someone is crazy enough to attempt another Kargil type scenario which of course cant be ruled out. The S400 imo is bit of a waste, It only gives a false sense of security, it could be overwhelmed if a say couple 100s of fake missiles were to be launched on India, then S400 would run out of missiles to shield India. The Rafale however, is a game changer, that jet is a BEAST.........


    Bold...
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    Bold...
    Rafale is indeed a Beast..could also be a cost saver as you will be able to retire some older planes as this aircraft could carry out multiple roles and make your airforce more efficient. Overall I agree , I dont see a war happening anytime soon. Both countries have too much to lose and I think there are enough informal and formal hotlines in the case of any misunderstandings. A relative of mine used to command on the LOC many years ago and he was lauded by the PA for keeping things amicable and quiet on the border between the two nations. The two commanders used to meet routinely and send over mithai and all sorts..

    we need some confidence building measures to ease the shoar sharaba. Hopefully once the new Indian administration comes in , whomever it is, they can start chatting to khan and start to ease the pressure down. With the US now so unpredictable and flighty its imperative we just sit down and quietly sort things out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Rafale is indeed a Beast..could also be a cost saver as you will be able to retire some older planes as this aircraft could carry out multiple roles and make your airforce more efficient. Overall I agree , I dont see a war happening anytime soon. Both countries have too much to lose and I think there are enough informal and formal hotlines in the case of any misunderstandings. A relative of mine used to command on the LOC many years ago and he was lauded by the PA for keeping things amicable and quiet on the border between the two nations. The two commanders used to meet routinely and send over mithai and all sorts..

    we need some confidence building measures to ease the shoar sharaba. Hopefully once the new Indian administration comes in , whomever it is, they can start chatting to khan and start to ease the pressure down. With the US now so unpredictable and flighty its imperative we just sit down and quietly sort things out..
    Those old planes need to be retired with the induction of Tejas, I do believe Tejas will get inducted in a cpl of years, lol @ HAL they have proved they just cannot get anything right. All this congress donkeys keep crying Rafale is a SCAM, god damn, if Rafale was given to a terrible organisation like HAL that would have been a bigger SCAM. Atleast Ambani will get the planes out in working order... Agreed there will not be a war between India and Pak, media war will always be there come election times especially and ofcourse the cute wars happening on the forums behind the keyboards will be ongoing ... I do feel in time Modi and Khan will chat, how fruitful will be, I have no idea, Modi will be here for a long time, not because he is such a great PM but because India currently doesn't have anyone that can challenge him.


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