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    Is Sundaram Ravi the worst umpire in world cricket currently?

    I have lost count of how many dubious decisions he has made. It would be interesting to see his % accuracy.

    Surely the ICC need to remove him from the elite panel?

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    Definitely... even poor than Pakistan domestic umpires. Only gets in on BCCI quota. Its a farce he is officiating in Pakistan matches


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Definitely... even poor than Pakistan domestic umpires. Only gets in on BCCI quota. Its a farce he is officiating in Pakistan matches
    The fact he is on the elite panel makes it even worse.

    He was bad enough as third umpire last test but on field he is even worse. The way he took the bails off after having to overturn his decision was hilarious...

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    Siddle decision was plumb. Can't believe that was missed.

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    He is not biased, just incompetent

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    A thread for every questionable decision by Ravi. Hmmm is it because he is Indian.

    Remember something similar for last test though he was spot on with the stumping.

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    S Ravi I think currently the worse Umpire

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    Once again, posters are trying to derail this thread rather than answer the question posed in by OP. I explicitly avoided mentioning Ravi's alleged bias. Rather I asked is he the worst umpire in the world atm?

    p.s. please don't embarrass yourselves by comparing Aleem Dar and S Ravi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Once again, posters are trying to derail this thread rather than answer the question posed in by OP. I explicitly avoided mentioning Ravi's alleged bias. Rather I asked is he the worst umpire in the world atm?

    p.s. please don't embarrass yourselves by comparing Aleem Dar and S Ravi.
    Yes he is. Along with one new WI umpire whose name i don't remember.

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    He would be right up there.

    Fact remains is that most of the international umpires have double standards when it comes to Pakistan.

    There was Hafeez's LBW decision in the first test too where that was just about clipping the legstump where as one of the Australians which was hitting a bigger part of that was not given and Pakistan had no reviews for it to use.

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    Where are the links to all howlers made by Ravi in this series? Please post it here.


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    One of the worst. But it's not bias or anything, it's just incompetence. I recall him making some horrific decisions during the England-West Indies series last year

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    Not to forget when teams clearly said that they had to play against 12 players of Pakistan when playing in Pakistan. Who can forget Shakoor Ran of Pak. The worst umpire to be seen till date. And it was Pakistani umpires biased decisions that led to the introduction of neutral umpires. So ppl criticising Ravi should laught at themselves for criticising. The level of posts over here is hitting a new low with each passing day..It has become more country oriented than the individual's performance be it a player or match official.

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    Pakistan have had a bad collapse. Vent out the ire on an Indian umpire because he missed a LBW (which most umpires do including the topmost ones), ignore the right ones made.

    Ravi is not in the league of a Dar or Taufel but is much better than many others on the circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaka_Hathrasi View Post
    Not to forget when teams clearly said that they had to play against 12 players of Pakistan when playing in Pakistan. Who can forget Shakoor Ran of Pak. The worst umpire to be seen till date. And it was Pakistani umpires biased decisions that led to the introduction of neutral umpires. So ppl criticising Ravi should laught at themselves for criticising. The level of posts over here is hitting a new low with each passing day..It has become more country oriented than the individual's performance be it a player or match official.
    Past umpiring should have no impact on some one criticizing howlers made by any umpire.

    I didn't see entire game and waiting for howlers by Ravi to be posted here. Let everyone judge. I saw some complain about a certain run out earlier in PP in this series. That was a good decision, but there was a thread about it. That's why I want to see howlers with link being posted here.


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    He is very inconsistent, saw him in an Eng-NZ series a couple of years back, either he would make howlers or extraordinary decisions, peak one day and have a stinker the next. Heard Taufel appreciating him in one of the interviews, so must have something to be an Elite umpire.

    Problem is Indian and Pakistani fans are very immature, hence all these conspiracy theories and hyperbole when it comes to officials of either country. I remember Asad Rauf screwing us in the 2006 SA test series, a series we could have won. Similarly Aleem Dar made many howlers in the 2007 India tour of England, repeatedly making blunders against Sachin. Indian fans then were equally harsh in their criticism, just like that ABDV howler on this thread. Now Ravi made a bad call today (thankfully corrected by DRS) but the criticism is unwarranted. His decisions in the 1st test were proved to be right, just paranoia working here on PP like it happens on Indo-Pak matters.

    In Elite Panel we have many candidates for worst umpire, Dharmasena, Aleem Dar, Ravi, Tucker, Llong although some like Aleem and Dharma were good a few years ago. Erasmus and Kettleborough are outstanding, rest are all quite often fallible. ICC has a process for selecting the umps, captains and coaches have a role because after each match they have to file a report about umpiring. The more negative points an umpire collects, greater the chances of him being demoted. So there is a fair process here and meritocracy is established, if Ravi (or someone else) isn't good enough he will be dropped from the panel next year. Each umpire will have professionalism ingrained and no one would want to be dropped, they are humans and capable of making mistakes like the players. All this talk of bias is LOLworthy, no one wants to be fired at the end of the day.

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    He is very incompetent. Don't have anything against India but India has a history of incompetent umpires.
    I saw one video where in IPL, indian umpires were making howlers regularly.

    The standard of umpiring has fallen down in recent years though. Aleem Dar has been consistently good which is a known fact to the world. One howler doesn't make him the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Where are the links to all howlers made by Ravi in this series? Please post it here.
    Would love to see those too. OP has lost count, so surely we can ask for some examples.

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    S Ravi has been very incompetent that's a fact.


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    Ravi is not the best umpire going around but definitely he is not biased. He has made shockers in matches not involving Pakistan aswell. But there are only 8 elite level umpires in ICC panel and he makes the list so must be in best 8 going around be some standard/practice.

    And why are people making this India v Pakistan thing? Common not everything has to be India v Pakistan.

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    Can we have a list of the howlers S Ravi made?

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    Ravi is definitely the worst umpire atm. But that's not a surprise as almost all Indian umpires till date have been incompetent and biased excluding Venkat Raghavan. He was the only good umpire to come out of India ever.

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    Sundaram Ravi - Umpiring Watch Thread

    I think the LEGEND deserves separate thread, so that we can discuss his CHARISMATIC and FLAMBOYANT umpiring decisons.

    The Legend deserves every praise for the work he is doing. He is EASILY best umpire in ICC Elite Panel list of Umpires

    He is direct comparison to Umpires like Aleem Dar and Nigel Long, be scared boys, Ravi Sahab is gonna beat you to win best Umpire Award

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    Hes an ok Umpre but not world class.

    I think its unfair to say hes biased - sure in the 90s you could say some of the Indian ones were but its more professional these days though some dubious ones like Hair still get through the net.

    In the end at least we have a review system to correct any howlers that are made.

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    I think he is not world class and should only be present for associate series. Not amazingly bad, just not good enough.

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    He's a pretty poor umpire to be fair. Not biased though.

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    Ridiculous if people are calling him biased. He might be incompetent, but he is not biased.

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    Can't tell whether he's biased or not but he's surely as incompetent as they come. India doesn't have a history of producing good umpires, the only reputable umpire (to some extent) that india has produced in last 3 decades is Venkataragwan.

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    It is a disgrace that BCCI is unable to churn out high quality umpires. We hardly have a single umpire in the elite panel out of 12 vacancies. It is unfair on England and Australia that they have to provide for 7-8 (maybe more) names out of the 12 consistently. In this age of neutral umpires it is difficult when the roster isn't spread out. We have produced only 1 great umpire, Srinivas Venkatraghavan and to think he retired in 2003. How come the richest board in cricket can't do jack for 15 years in this department? India is a huge country and a vast cricket scene, 1000s of umpires officiate day in and day out. We can't extract a few good ones out of that?
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    Thread is about the umpire mentioned in post #1 and title ONLY


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    It is a disgrace that BCCI is unable to churn out high quality umpires. We hardly have a single umpire in the elite panel out of 12 vacancies. It is unfair on England and Australia that they have to provide for 7-8 (maybe more) names out of the 12 consistently. In this age of neutral umpires it is difficult when the roster isn't spread out. We have produced only 1 great umpire, Srinivas Venkatraghavan and to think he retired in 2003. How come the richest board in cricket can't do jack for 15 years in this department? India is a huge country and a vast cricket scene, 1000s of umpires officiate day in and day out. We can't extract a few good ones out of that?
    I still dont understand why haven't we been able to do so. We have so many umpires at the domestic level and these guys spend enough time umpiring that they should be better. Not sure whats happening.

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    Not sure if we should be complaining now


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Not sure if we should be complaining now
    What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Not sure if we should be complaining now
    it's not about complaining. paine decision was also wrong. ball was sliding down leg. it was the unluckiest umpire's call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    it's not about complaining. paine decision was also wrong. ball was sliding down leg. it was the unluckiest umpire's call.
    Thats the thing with umpire's call. It all balances out in the end especially with DRS in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    it's not about complaining. paine decision was also wrong. ball was sliding down leg. it was the unluckiest umpire's call.
    How come it was wrong if it was according to rules, I have always said Drs modern approach to save umpire reputation is wrong, make marginal call clear cut out or not out. If you are using marginal call as a wrong decision then every umpire is giving wrong decision and you should made thread for every decision

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    Lmao.

    Another wrong call.

    Last wicket, Starc was clear LBW as plumb as possible. Full yorker.

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    Yorker hitting the bottom of middle stump?

    Nah, not out.

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    Seems to be a BCCI quota pick. Dreadful umpire.

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    I don't think he is biased he is just awful should be no where near international cricket.IPL is his standard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Yorker hitting the bottom of middle stump?

    Nah, not out.
    @Abdullah719 do you have a screenshot of the drs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    @Abdullah719 do you have a screenshot of the drs?
    Afraid I don't But yeah was plumb. Maybe he thought Starc got bat on it, that's the only possibility. Doesn't seem very competent, most of the time.


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    he is a legend


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    S. Ravi best ump in the world.


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    And some people were comparing him with Aleem Dar

    This guy is as incompetent as they come

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    He really is awful. Not complaining after today though We managed to review and overturn any of his shockers that went against us, and we got Paine and saved Azhar

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    Quite a bad day for him, today.

    All umpires have on and off days, but he has a lot of off days. Don't think he's good enough for the Elite Panel.


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    I've never rated him right from the first time I saw him umpire.

    Decisions seem to be made on luck rather than judgement.



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    Like I said—umpires save another team. Not entirely Sarfraz’s (or any other captain’s) fault for taking/not taking reviews when umpires are rubbish.

    Let’s bring Aleem Dar for the T20s.

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    I swear he is guessing most of the time, and it’s not an anti Pakistan thing, he is just awful, Australia can rightly feel just as wronged by him as Pakistan.


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    Another day another S Ravi howler. Huge Inside edge, how can you not pick that Mr. Umpire Adil Rashid would be thinking.
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    Sandakan Bowls 40 Per Cent No Balls on Day Three, Umpire Ravi Fails to Spot Them

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    Sack him already .. He is an embarrasment .. The guy Nandan from India is much better than this guy. TBH no one from India is currently competent to be in the elite panel going by what I have seen in IPL.

    Hopefully the BCCI looks into this and more focus is given towards this.

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    Ravi Sundaram is looking pretty good compared to the umpires on display in the current series. Pujara had what, 3 outs overturned in one innings? And now the Kohli non-catch.

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    It seems there a mini competition going on between S Ravi and Joe Wilson regarding the worst Umpire in the elite panel. Both have had a horrid series so far. The umpiring standard has for sure raised in the last decade or so but to see umpires of Ravi's and Wilson's caliber in the elite panel is horrendous to say the least.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    It seems there a mini competition going on between S Ravi and Joe Wilson regarding the worst Umpire in the elite panel. Both have had a horrid series so far. The umpiring standard has for sure raised in the last decade or so but to see umpires of Ravi's and Wilson's caliber in the elite panel is horrendous to say the least.
    Ravi was amazing in the 1st Match!

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    No, he's not the worst umpire, he's quite good actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Ravi Sundaram is looking pretty good compared to the umpires on display in the current series. Pujara had what, 3 outs overturned in one innings? And now the Kohli non-catch.
    Kohli was out imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeshiKovacs View Post
    Kohli was out imo
    No. it was not out. Pretty much all commies agreed. The stupid "soft decision" (which was taken purely based on the word of fielder) did him in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    No. it was not out. Pretty much all commies agreed. The stupid "soft decision" (which was taken purely based on the word of fielder) did him in.
    which commies agreed?

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    Also the commies opinion doesn't really matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeshiKovacs View Post
    Kohli was out imo
    This is a blowup of Kohli's "catch". Doesn't look out to me.

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    Horrible decision by him against Azhar Ali today! Glad Pakistan had a review and used it.

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    Him and Joel Wilson are competing for the worst umpire. The fact both of them are the on field umpires in this match is a pretty poor show.

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    Azhar nicked again but Joel Wilson didn't give him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Him and Joel Wilson are competing for the worst umpire. The fact both of them are the on field umpires in this match is a pretty poor show.
    exactly also some of tough decision have gone in favor of SA

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    Absolutely.

    Has given some absolutely shocking lbw decisions in the ongoing Ireland Afghanistan series.

    Dreadful stuff


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Absolutely.

    Has given some absolutely shocking lbw decisions in the ongoing Ireland Afghanistan series.

    Dreadful stuff
    If number of wrong decisions cross a limit , DRS can't help- I understand that.
    Is it that bad?

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    Given out lbw despite a GIGANTIC inside edge

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    Given out lbw despite height and going down leg

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    Genuinely struggling to understand how in a country like India with dozens of high class quality umpires this incompetent is given such prominence. He is absolutely terrible and totally unqualified. Single handedly did in three set batsmen when we were trying to save a Test. Miffed to say the least, may not have changed the result but this diabolical standard of umpiring is unacceptable at this level of the game, especially when there is no DRS.

    Genuinely baffled at the lack of accountability for umpires. ICC should be on crap like this asap because it makes a mockery of the sport when its as bad as it was in this game. One decision is fine everyone makes mistakes, but three of this level of magnitude is just ridiculous.


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    One more absolute shocker today, Virat didn't spare him one bit Hopefully BCCI will look into this and remove him
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    Standards Have Improved: Indian Umpires Hit Back After No Ball Controversy

    "If this (the Malinga no-ball) had happened in the first, second or third overs of the game, I can tell you 100% surely that the umpire would have called it. The soil on the pitch becomes loose after a few overs. The line tends to go off even if it's re-drawn. It's too tough for the umpires to call no balls towards the end of the games. On a loose turf, when the bowler keeps landing on the pitch, the line doesn't stay. From side view, we'll see the line because it's a two-dimensional image, and sometimes the lines are clearer outside the turf so the viewer thinks it's there. There will be a parallax error."

    Or, the reasons could just be human error.

    "There is not just one reason for an umpiring error, but a host of things contribute to it," says Hariharan.

    "Fatigue, for starters could be one of the biggest reasons. Also, how agile an umpire is on a given day plays its part. Something as basic as sweating can result in lapse of concentration, that can lead to a bad decision, which can change the course of the match. So, you can never rule out the possibility of human error. Despite giving it your best you can never be sure of giving error-free judgements."

    Even if Ravi had a slight suspicion that Malinga had overstepped, he can't call it a no-ball unless he's 100% sure.

    "According to the ICC guidelines for the umpires, unless sure, a decision that cannot be reviewed or referred to the third umpire, should not be made. That is because if you get it wrong, the decision cannot be overturned," explains Hariharan.

    Cricket laws, with reason, do not allow for no-balls to be overturned. The scenario was seen in Bangladesh's T20I series against Windies last year when Liton Das was dismissed by Oshane Thomas, only for umpire Tanvir Ahmed to call the delivery a no-ball. Replays showed Thomas was well within the line, but the decision was not overturned and Das batted on, despite Windies' protests.

    Thus, umpires play it safe when it comes to no-balls. Big events - like dismissals - can always be checked and corrected. But the bigger issue that authorities must now decide on is: are dismissals the only big events? Isn't every ball important? Well, for now, this is the best trade-off available.

    https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/a...y-2083657.html


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    Have india ever had a decent umpire in the history of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Have india ever had a decent umpire in the history of the game?
    Yes. Srinivasaraghavan Venkataraghavan.


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    Paul Reiffel is giving him a run for his money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Paul Reiffel is giving him a run for his money...
    Are we going to revolve through a different umpire in this thread every time one of them makes a wrong decision?

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    TFW umpires call is considered bad decision. I still remember the days before DRS when umpires would give absolute howlers without being challenged. We are truly pampered today

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    We have seen some terrible umpiring this tournament (including 2 wrong not outs today), but S Ravi has been one of the best umpires as far as this WC is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    I have lost count of how many dubious decisions he has made. It would be interesting to see his % accuracy.

    Surely the ICC need to remove him from the elite panel?
    The answer to your question is no, Ravi is not the worst umpire by a long way.

    Really horrible umpiring today, deprived Afghanistan of a well deserved victory.


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