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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    This thread will have it's ups and down for sure. It will make for an interesting thread during the World Cup
    Yes I agree 100%, my prediction is when Bangladesh doesn't manage to win a single game there, Admin will be forced to delete this thread out of sympathy for bangladeshi fans who will be deeply hurt, I am still waiting for reply from RainMan but thankfully some braveheart fans like you are still on this thread. In all honesty though, making this type of thread was very very immature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    @rainman time for you to come on this thread and explain why your future powerhouse team has lost to the minnows of all minnows..you cannot hide..be brave and explain yourself.
    My dear friend, this is international cricket. Sometimes minnows play above they r potential and upset the bigger teams with their performance.

    Even though Bangladesh missed some of the biggest stars in the game who can single handedly win matches for their respective team, but still I believe Bangladesh shouldn't have lost the test.

    But u need to understand that, just because a depleted Bangladesh team lost a test to Zimbabwea doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't becoming a powerhouse in cricket. U have to look at their overall growth as a cricket nation instead of one individual performance. If upset was so uncommon in cricket then a nothing team like India wouldn't have managed to beat one of the greatest cricket teams of all time in a wc final in 83. Same thing happened to Pak and other teams as well. U shouldn't judge a team based on these anomalies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    Obviously not a powerhouse. However, they do raise their game in ODI tournaments. I saw a recent interview of Shakib, and he seemed optimistic about next year's World Cup.

    Realistically, if BD is to achieve anything in Cricket, the next world cup is pretty much it with it's core players of Tamim, Shakib, Mushy, Mahmudullah closing in on their retirement.
    You mean Shakib is optimistic about winning the world cup itself or winning few matches?
    Last edited by Canford Cliffs; 7th November 2018 at 07:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    It does determine based on various factors which I am not interested to type now.

    But, yeah, it's my opinion, you can have your opinion.
    U aren't interested to type now because u have little to nothing to substantiate ur claim.

    Bangladesh have shown tremendous improvement in ODIs and they have been consistently performing in ICC tournaments as well as in other big tournaments.

    Whitewashing one of the best ODI teams in the world two times in a row should never be considered as a fluke. Winning back to back odi series against top ranked teams, going to the final two times in the most prestigious odi tournament in Asia, going to the quarter final and semifinal of the last two ICC tournaments will only be considered as flukes by those who don't understand cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warcry View Post
    where is that naagin rainman when you need him?
    at this rate bangladesh will be first powerhouse in cricket to get its test status revoked.
    Revoking test status because of what exactly? For losing a test Zimbabwe? Then what should happen to those countries who got whitewashed by minnow Srilanka at home?

    U need to realise that sometimes these upsets happen in cricket. If cricket was so predictable then it wouldn't be so enjoyable to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    Revoking test status because of what exactly? For losing a test Zimbabwe? Then what should happen to those countries who got whitewashed by minnow Srilanka at home?

    U need to realise that sometimes these upsets happen in cricket. If cricket was so predictable then it wouldn't be so enjoyable to watch.
    Calling Sri Lanka minnows? are you serious? You guys literally lost test match at your OWN BACKYARD to a team that hasn't won a away test match in 17 years!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    Revoking test status because of what exactly? For losing a test Zimbabwe? Then what should happen to those countries who got whitewashed by minnow Srilanka at home?

    U need to realise that sometimes these upsets happen in cricket. If cricket was so predictable then it wouldn't be so enjoyable to watch.
    Zimbabwe didn't win a single test in 5 years dude. Last time they won an away test, Heath Streak was still playing cricket. If you need your full strength team to beat the minnow of minnows, you should voluntarily relinquish your test status, before it's revoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakaz View Post
    Calling Sri Lanka minnows? are you serious? You guys literally lost test match at your OWN BACKYARD to a team that hasn't won a away test match in 17 years!!!
    This post makes no sense. Pls clarify ur point. Who haven't won an an away test match in 17 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    This post makes no sense. Pls clarify ur point. Who haven't won an an away test match in 17 years?
    The post was pretty self explanatory. Zimbabwe hadn't won an away test for 17 years before their victory over Bangladesh yesterday. Their last away win was also against Bangladesh back in 2001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    The post was pretty self explanatory. Zimbabwe hadn't won an away test for 17 years before their victory over Bangladesh yesterday. Their last away win was also against Bangladesh back in 2001.
    What the...is that true? Damn that's shameful

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    The post was pretty self explanatory. Zimbabwe hadn't won an away test for 17 years before their victory over Bangladesh yesterday. Their last away win was also against Bangladesh back in 2001.
    Also its not that Zimb just sneaked a victory here. They anhilated BD here in 3.5 days mind you
    #Powerhouse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Also its not that Zimb just sneaked a victory here. They anhilated BD here in 3.5 days mind you
    #Powerhouse
    Rainman said BD was depleted, meaning they needed a full strength team to even compete against Zimbabwe, whose cricket board is bankrupt and was getting close to dissolved last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    Revoking test status because of what exactly? For losing a test Zimbabwe? Then what should happen to those countries who got whitewashed by minnow Srilanka at home?

    U need to realise that sometimes these upsets happen in cricket. If cricket was so predictable then it wouldn't be so enjoyable to watch.
    The team which is ranked 3 places & 30 points above BD and also defeated BD in BD is test series is a minnow but BD is on verge of becoming a powerhouse

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    This thread has reached to an epic level
    Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    This thread has reached to an epic level
    Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him
    I also suspect Rainman is not from Bangladesh. Do call him out every time he makes a thread or posts something outrageously stupid. He is making you guys look bad. I cringe how BD team plays at times, but the posters on PP are not bad. Rainman is a bad troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    My dear friend, this is international cricket. Sometimes minnows play above they r potential and upset the bigger teams with their performance.

    Even though Bangladesh missed some of the biggest stars in the game who can single handedly win matches for their respective team, but still I believe Bangladesh shouldn't have lost the test.

    But u need to understand that, just because a depleted Bangladesh team lost a test to Zimbabwea doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't becoming a powerhouse in cricket. U have to look at their overall growth as a cricket nation instead of one individual performance. If upset was so uncommon in cricket then a nothing team like India wouldn't have managed to beat one of the greatest cricket teams of all time in a wc final in 83. Same thing happened to Pak and other teams as well. U shouldn't judge a team based on these anomalies.
    Its good to see you are brave enough to come out and defend your team in this starnge hour. Well done. Unlike some of my other colleagues who dissappear for long stretches to avoid difficult conversations.

    I undertsand where you are coming from. However dont you think it is ominous that without your three core players the team has failed to jell and even get a draw in this game? the batting is looking very flimsy and I dont know where your bowling is at?

    what are the upcoming players like? remember you need a good spinner and a good pacer. Do you have anyone who can take up this mantle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman_ View Post
    this post makes no sense. Pls clarify ur point. Who haven't won an an away test match in 17 years?
    zimbawe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    This thread has reached to an epic level
    Everybody has become so serious here by the claim of so called "power house". This thread is intended to humiliate Bangladesh and it's supporters. Posters posting comments here taking full advantage of it. Rainman, the OP here, is fully responsible for it,whom I suspect is not a Bangladeshi. I request him not to post any comment or thread on Bangladesh. It just come back again and again to haunt us here in PP. It's my Earnest request to him
    Lol. If indeed he isn't a BD fan, this is the greatest troll on PP so far. This thread will be revisited hundreds of times in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    Revoking test status because of what exactly? For losing a test Zimbabwe? Then what should happen to those countries who got whitewashed by minnow Srilanka at home?

    U need to realise that sometimes these upsets happen in cricket. If cricket was so predictable then it wouldn't be so enjoyable to watch.
    yeah you are right, upsets do happen in cricket. this sentence is enough to explain every win by bangladesh ever in all their cricket history.

    may i remind you, UAE is not home. even bangladesh conditions is more home that UAE will ever be.
    even if we account uae as home, that loss to sri lanka is the first loss at home incurred by pakistan, since 2007.

    In a period of 2008-2017. pakistan has had its home games in neutral venues and some series in neutral venue. we played our "home" series against aus in england and drew 1-1.
    we played our "home" series against new zealand in new zealand and won 1-0

    you dont have the right to discuss our test record. your team is so weak in tests, your team would lose to ireland in ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warcry View Post
    Yeah you are right, upsets do happen in cricket. this sentence is enough to explain every win by bangladesh ever in all their cricket history.
    Incorrect. That post was made to show the logical fallacy in his statement, not to demean any other cricket nation. Well, u can declare something as upset if it happens once in a blue moon but u certainly can't claim something as upset that happens on a regular basis, can u?

    For example, the way PAKISTAN team Beat teams like ENG, IND in CT can be considered as upset since nobody expected that sort of performance from a lower ranked team against some of the best ODI teams in the world.

    But can u say the same about the performance of Bangladesh
    In Asia cup? No. Because Bangladesh has been dominating Asia cup for quite some time now. If I m not wrong, they have reached the the finals of Asia cups more than most of the other Asian teams in last 3/4 years. Therefore, BD'S dominance in Asia was a normality, something which most of the cricket fans more or less expected. Same goes for those serieses where they whitewashed NZ team two times ( u can easily understand how good is NZ team in ODIs if u follow the recent ODI serieses between PAK and NZ.

    Quote Originally Posted by warcry View Post
    may i remind you, UAE is not home. even bangladesh conditions is more home that UAE will ever be.
    even if we account uae as home, that loss to sri lanka is the first loss at home incurred by pakistan, since 2007.

    In a period of 2008-2017. pakistan has had its home games in neutral venues and some series in neutral venue. we played our "home" series against aus in england and drew 1-1.
    we played our "home" series against new zealand in new zealand and won 1-0

    you dont have the right to discuss our test record. your team is so weak in tests, your team would lose to ireland in ireland.
    Again I think u r going off tangent here. Pakistan under Misbah have done well in UAE, I won't disregard that fact. But u can't also ignore the fact that even after playing international cricket for almost 70/80 years Pak haven't managed to win a single test series in Australia and SA, as a matter of fact Pakistan couldn't even won a single test against Australia in Australia in last 15/20 years. Similarly, before Pakistan's last tour of WI, they consistently failed to win test series in WI. Their only series victory came in 2017.

    But then again, comparing a team that has been playing international cricket for 70/80 years with a team that has been playing international cricket for just 20 years is absolutely pointless. Don't really know why u r making a comparison here. My previous post was made to just show that incidents like Pakistan getting whitewashed by Zimbabwe at home, Pakistan getting whitewashed by srilanka at home and Bangladesh losing a test to Zimbabwea are of similar nature. Hence, ppl should not judge a team based on these anomalies.

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    On the contrary, Bangladesh is one of the slowest-improving countries of any major cricketing nation. Let's look at the early history of some of the others:
    Pakistan: won a game vs India in their first ever series and drew England 1-1 in their first ever away series
    Sri Lanka: Won the World Cup 14 years after Test status and became a formidable LOI side (arguably top 4 in the late 90s) as well as a decent test side. BD has been a Test side for 18 years and hasn't even made a WC semi-final.
    Australia: Despite being only a new nation with fewer resources and a much smaller population, were very competitive against the mother country from the very first Test.
    Windies: Weren't even allowed to have a black captain, they drew their second ever Test series (against England) and were quite competitive within 5-6 years of making their debut in 1928, winning a series against England in 1934.
    South Africa: Missed out on the first two decades of ODIs, established themselves as a top-two ODI side within five years of making their debut.
    Zimbabwe: More competitive in the late 90s than BD has ever been, only declined because of Mugabe.
    Afghanistan: Way ahead of where BD was at the same stage since debut - and they don't even get to play at home.
    So Bangladesh slowly moving away from minnow status 18 years after making their debut is nothing even close to extraordinary. Add to that the fact that BD has 165 million people and a massive interset in the sport, which gives it a huge advantage compared to countries like NZ (4.5 million, cricket only the 4th or 5th most popular sport) and WI (~10 million, rapidly declining interest in the sport)

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    Another load shedding at the powerhouse?

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    Maybe this cricket thing is just not for Bangladesh.

    East India is pretty decent at football - maybe Bangladesh should divert their attention and resources to that instead, if it works for them?

    Unless they like losing of course. Their grounds are always packed, featuring half the city turning up to witness yet another loss. Not sure what's going on.

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    Another step towards world domination. Congrats @RainMan_

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziFans View Post
    On the contrary, Bangladesh is one of the slowest-improving countries of any major cricketing nation. Let's look at the early history of some of the others:
    Pakistan: won a game vs India in their first ever series and drew England 1-1 in their first ever away series
    Sri Lanka: Won the World Cup 14 years after Test status and became a formidable LOI side (arguably top 4 in the late 90s) as well as a decent test side. BD has been a Test side for 18 years and hasn't even made a WC semi-final.
    Australia: Despite being only a new nation with fewer resources and a much smaller population, were very competitive against the mother country from the very first Test.
    Windies: Weren't even allowed to have a black captain, they drew their second ever Test series (against England) and were quite competitive within 5-6 years of making their debut in 1928, winning a series against England in 1934.
    South Africa: Missed out on the first two decades of ODIs, established themselves as a top-two ODI side within five years of making their debut.
    Zimbabwe: More competitive in the late 90s than BD has ever been, only declined because of Mugabe.
    Afghanistan: Way ahead of where BD was at the same stage since debut - and they don't even get to play at home.
    So Bangladesh slowly moving away from minnow status 18 years after making their debut is nothing even close to extraordinary. Add to that the fact that BD has 165 million people and a massive interset in the sport, which gives it a huge advantage compared to countries like NZ (4.5 million, cricket only the 4th or 5th most popular sport) and WI (~10 million, rapidly declining interest in the sport)
    Doesn't seem like a fair comparison since all other teams were fully established sides when BD made their debut.

    That was certainly not the case when India and Pakistan made their international debuts

    The one thing we can say with certainty is that of all cricketing nations, SL had the fastest growth rate. Which is admirable considering how tiny the island nation is.

    But yeah, BD is not a "powerhouse" by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Another step towards world domination. Congrats @RainMan_
    Thank u my dear friend.I predicted after the first test that Zimbabwe would be blown away in the second test. That is exactly what happened. Pls dont try to be sarcastic here. This is a serious thread. Everybody knows that Bangladesh is becoming a dominating force in Asian condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Doesn't seem like a fair comparison since all other teams were fully established sides when BD made their debut.

    That was certainly not the case when India and Pakistan made their international debuts

    The one thing we can say with certainty is that of all cricketing nations, SL had the fastest growth rate. Which is admirable considering how tiny the island nation is.

    But yeah, BD is not a "powerhouse" by any means.
    I agree with this post. Good post outsider.

    Anyone who knows about cricket will agree with the fact that after srilanka Bangladesh is one of the very few teams who have improved leaps and bounds within a very short period of time.

    BTW, i m not saying that they have already become a powerhouse. What i m saying that is they r on their way to become a powerhouse in cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    I agree with this post. Good post outsider.

    Anyone who knows about cricket will agree with the fact that after srilanka Bangladesh is one of the very few teams who have improved leaps and bounds within a very short period of time.

    BTW, i m not saying that they have already become a powerhouse. What i m saying that is they r on their way to become a powerhouse in cricket.
    I felt that I had to say this because BD gets a lot of flak on this forum which I don't agree with.

    Personally, I feel they have come a long way in 18 years and especially in the last 5 years.

    I don't think any non-Asian team will dare to take BD lightly when they are playing in Asia.

    Potentially, BD can become a powerhouse in the next two years. But I think for that to happen BCB also needs to do more at the grassroots. Make the FC system stronger. Produce different kinds of pitches so that BD doesn't become over-reliant on spinners. That's the mistake India used to make earlier too. But since BCCI has made an effort to produce better pitches for pacers, Indian pacers have also gone from strength to strength. Of course, it also prepares the batsmen to play pace and bounce better.

    It will take longer for BD to become ba powerhouse because there is much more competition gloabally nowadays. But I do think they have the potential to get there.

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    Yeap Bangla on the way to world domination...


    "Everything else seems so superfluous." ~ Albert Einstein on the Bhagavad-Gita

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    I agree with this post. Good post outsider.

    Anyone who knows about cricket will agree with the fact that after srilanka Bangladesh is one of the very few teams who have improved leaps and bounds within a very short period of time.

    BTW, i m not saying that they have already become a powerhouse. What i m saying that is they r on their way to become a powerhouse in cricket.
    Stop lying, you have done enough damage to Bangladesh fans reputation on PP and it's not going to change until you leave the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Stop lying, you have done enough damage to Bangladesh fans reputation on PP and it's not going to change until you leave the forum.
    Jeez! Get a grip on yourself, man. Such a poor post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Jeez! Get a grip on yourself, man. Such a poor post.
    You would be furious if there was somebody like Rainman speaking for India, and India was a lower ranked team. His hyperboles make Bangladesh fans look bad and they get bashed many times because of his posts. I took his bait in the past but most BD fans on PP are good people. Just have a look at his post history, it's so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    You would be furious if there was somebody like Rainman speaking for India, and India was a lower ranked team. His hyperboles make Bangladesh fans look bad and they get bashed many times because of his posts. I took his bait in the past but most BD fans on PP are good people. Just have a look at his post history, it's so bad.
    I know that he can be over-the-top sometimes. @RainMan_ and I have clashed many-a-times over various topics.

    But that doesn't mean you or I get to have a say on whether he should be here or not.

    That's an exclusionary mindset and that is especially poor coming from you since you are supposed to be representing the largest secular democracy in the world. I'm sorry but I do not condone this attitude.
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    Bangladesh is a poor cricket team and borderline minnows. People can brag about it as much as they want online but it does not change the ground reality.

    If we catalogue BDrecords / performance / results over the years, they are actually on the same level as Zimbabwe and touch above Afghanistan and Ireland as far as test cricket goes.

    In T20s, they are not even borderline but real life minnows. Afghanistan which started playing proper cricket just 10 years ago, recently whitewashed them.

    Yes in ODIs they did made some improvement (very little) but they are no world beaters in that format either as their fans would made us believe. 2015 was their great year thanks to a mystery spinner Mustafizur on those slow pitches but once his mystery dissapeared, their performance took a dip as well. In CT 1st game, we all saw how easily England chased 310 against them with 8 wickets in hand. Next game against Australia, they we got all out for 183 in the Oval. Australians were 83/1 chasing in 16 overs and then it started raining. Aussies got robbed a sure win and both teams got 1 point each. They just won 1 game against New Zealand in Subcontinent type cardiff track to reach semi finals only to get humiliated against India by 9 wickets. So 1 win in an ICC event is nothing to boast off.

    Later, they went on to lose every single ODI on the tour of SA. Later, they played an ODI tri series at home featuring Zimbabwe and SriLanka. Even with 2 sub par teams at home they couldnt win that tri series. SL beat them in the finals to win the title and BD still searching for their 1st tri series victory. Yes they did qualify for Asia cup finals couple of times but it is no big deal. They are yet to win a single tri/multi nation tournament in ODIs, let alone ICC event. So to think BD has suddenly became some great ODI side is either a myth or big joke.

    Now the reason why most of the time BD cricket is in news is because they have the most aweful fanbase (I give them that) and melodramatic players. Their antics bring more attention than actual game. Let it be hacking Kohli's website or Mushy's tweet or Naagin dance or Shakib breaking dressing room glass etc etc.

    So if we combine all format, BD is touch above Zimb, Afg and Ire and below WI & SL. Now people may get optimistic and say they are improving/on their way to become powerhouse in future etc. Take it from me, 20 years later we would say the same.

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    Bangla Cricket team is not just a cricketing joke but an International sports joke as well. 20 years since they emerged on the scene and I tell you I see no difference between Bangladesh of 2005/2004 and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    I agree with this post. Good post outsider.

    Anyone who knows about cricket will agree with the fact that after srilanka Bangladesh is one of the very few teams who have improved leaps and bounds within a very short period of time.

    BTW, i m not saying that they have already become a powerhouse. What i m saying that is they r on their way to become a powerhouse in cricket.

    Is this a joke? Bangla is the only team that has been given so much support but not improved much at all in 20 years!

    Ireland, Afghanistan(Pakistan C) and Sri Lanka had faster growths. Not to mention, Pakistan from a young age competed with the best of the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    I know that he can be over-the-top sometimes. @RainMan_ and I have clashed many-a-times over various topics.

    But that doesn't mean you or I get to have a say on whether he should be here or not.

    That's an exclusionary mindset and that is especially poor coming from you since you are supposed to be representing the largest secular democracy in the world. I'm sorry but I do not condone this attitude.
    I am not telling him to leave, I am saying that Bangladesh fans will be kept getting mocked until he leaves because of his posts and threads. I am not from Bangladesh so I don't really care, but I do feel bad for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Doesn't seem like a fair comparison since all other teams were fully established sides when BD made their debut.

    That was certainly not the case when India and Pakistan made their international debuts

    The one thing we can say with certainty is that of all cricketing nations, SL had the fastest growth rate. Which is admirable considering how tiny the island nation is.

    But yeah, BD is not a "powerhouse" by any means.
    That may be so, but countries like Pakistan and WI were competitive against the fully-established sides shortly after debut (England had been playing Test cricket for 75 years when Pak made its debut). BD took ages to be competitive against ANY fully established side (even WI).
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    If not a powerhouse, they surely are a power room. Or at least a power cupboard.

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    Long way to go. If anything , they have stagnated or worse, regressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziFans View Post
    That may be so, but countries like Pakistan and WI were competitive against the fully-established sides shortly after debut (England had been playing Test cricket for 75 years when Pak made its debut). BD took ages to be competitive against ANY fully established side (even WI).
    There cannot be any just comparison made between the competitive landscape India & Pakistan made their debut in and the landscape BD made their debut in.

    When India & Pak made their debut, the only strong teams were England, Australia and WI. NZ later became stronger as the decades rolled on and SA was banned from 1970.

    By the time, BD made their test debut, Eng, Australia, NZ, SA, India, Pakistan and SL had all become strong teams. WI while no longer the WI of 70s/80s was still stronger than BD. And most importantly, international cricket had become far more professional by this time and competition was a lot more.

    India/Pak had to face 3 strong teams in their initial years while BD had to face 8 strong teams.

    Like I said before, BD is not a cricketing powerhouse. But it would be unfair to compare their initial years in cricket to that of India or Pakistan's. The scenerio was totally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    There cannot be any just comparison made between the competitive landscape India & Pakistan made their debut in and the landscape BD made their debut in.

    When India & Pak made their debut, the only strong teams were England, Australia and WI. NZ later became stronger as the decades rolled on and SA was banned from 1970.

    By the time, BD made their test debut, Eng, Australia, NZ, SA, India, Pakistan and SL had all become strong teams. WI while no longer the WI of 70s/80s was still stronger than BD. And most importantly, international cricket had become far more professional by this time and competition was a lot more.

    India/Pak had to face 3 strong teams in their initial years while BD had to face 8 strong teams.

    Like I said before, BD is not a cricketing powerhouse. But it would be unfair to compare their initial years in cricket to that of India or Pakistan's. The scenerio was totally different.
    I'm not talking about the number of fully-established sides or comparing Pak's ranking in the 1950s to BD's ranking in the 2000s. What I'm saying is Pak still had to play fully-established sides, even if there were only 2 or 3 of them and did well. Even if you exclude BD's performance against the top 5 test teams in the 2000s and look at their performance against only the No.6-8 teams, their performance was pretty mediocre. You can't say that Pak had it easier against Eng in the 1950s than BD against SL in 2000. SL had made their Test debut only 18 years prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziFans View Post
    I'm not talking about the number of fully-established sides or comparing Pak's ranking in the 1950s to BD's ranking in the 2000s. What I'm saying is Pak still had to play fully-established sides, even if there were only 2 or 3 of them and did well. Even if you exclude BD's performance against the top 5 test teams in the 2000s and look at their performance against only the No.6-8 teams, their performance was pretty mediocre. You can't say that Pak had it easier against Eng in the 1950s than BD against SL in 2000. SL had made their Test debut only 18 years prior.
    I don't think BD had it any easier against SL than Pakistan or India had against England. Playing in England/Australia is a different thing. Asian teams still struggle there.

    But as oppositons, I think SL was very strong by 2000. Because of all the teams that have played cricket so far, Sri Lanka's growth as a cricketing nation was by far the fastest. They had already won a WC, a CT and 2 Asia Cups by year 2000.

    Their 2000 team already had WC players & ATGs like Ranatunga, de Silva Jayasuriya, Murali and Vaas. And at the turn of the century they already had younsters like Sanga, Jayawardene and Dilshan coming in.

    SL was already very strong team when BD came in to the picture. And they maintained that strength all the up to 2015.

    BD, in its first WC appearance in '99 caused an upset over Pakistan. And '99 Pak was a lethal ODI team. In 2005 they beat Australia. In 2007, they beat India in the WC. All 3 of those wins coming overseas, nonetheless. Even back then they were pulling rare victories over much stronger teams.

    If you take India and Pakistan's record against AUS, WI & ENG in their first 2 decades of test cricket, it's a W/L ratio of 0.205 for India and 0.263 for Pakistan.

    By the time BD made their test debut, teams like England, Australia, India and Pakistan had progressed too much (in terms of popularity of the sport, monetary investment, infrastructure, etc).

    But against teams that BD realistically could compete with (namely SL, WI & ZIM) they have also maintained a W/L ratio of 0.272. That's quite respectable.

    You must understand that the level of international cricket changed dramatically from 1950 to 2000. By 2000, cricket had become a lot more professional. There was a lot more science and medicine behind it. Tons more investment and man-hours (support staff, psychologists, media manager, this that). The rate of growth of global cricket in the last 30 years is infinitely more than it was between 1900 to 1960.

    The environment that BD made their test debut in was far more difficult because they had to catch up a lot more.

    This is true of any field in life. Even in the business world, if you begin early you will always have first movers advantage. And as time goes on, it will become more and difficult for the new market entries to catch up with the first movers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    I don't think BD had it any easier against SL than Pakistan or India had against England. Playing in England/Australia is a different thing. Asian teams still struggle there.

    But as oppositons, I think SL was very strong by 2000. Because of all the teams that have played cricket so far, Sri Lanka's growth as a cricketing nation was by far the fastest. They had already won a WC, a CT and 2 Asia Cups by year 2000.

    Their 2000 team already had WC players & ATGs like Ranatunga, de Silva Jayasuriya, Murali and Vaas. And at the turn of the century they already had younsters like Sanga, Jayawardene and Dilshan coming in.

    SL was already very strong team when BD came in to the picture. And they maintained that strength all the up to 2015.

    BD, in its first WC appearance in '99 caused an upset over Pakistan. And '99 Pak was a lethal ODI team. In 2005 they beat Australia. In 2007, they beat India in the WC. All 3 of those wins coming overseas, nonetheless. Even back then they were pulling rare victories over much stronger teams.

    If you take India and Pakistan's record against AUS, WI & ENG in their first 2 decades of test cricket, it's a W/L ratio of 0.205 for India and 0.263 for Pakistan.

    By the time BD made their test debut, teams like England, Australia, India and Pakistan had progressed too much (in terms of popularity of the sport, monetary investment, infrastructure, etc).

    But against teams that BD realistically could compete with (namely SL, WI & ZIM) they have also maintained a W/L ratio of 0.272. That's quite respectable.

    You must understand that the level of international cricket changed dramatically from 1950 to 2000. By 2000, cricket had become a lot more professional. There was a lot more science and medicine behind it. Tons more investment and man-hours (support staff, psychologists, media manager, this that). The rate of growth of global cricket in the last 30 years is infinitely more than it was between 1900 to 1960.

    The environment that BD made their test debut in was far more difficult because they had to catch up a lot more.

    This is true of any field in life. Even in the business world, if you begin early you will always have first movers advantage. And as time goes on, it will become more and difficult for the new market entries to catch up with the first movers.
    Absolutely. I don't know why people are raising questions in present situation when we are winning matches in ODIs regularly and sometimes in tests also. InshaAllah we shall move further forward in future also. We have decent first class structure in place, government has labelled it as no 1 sport in terms of priority. But when we were given test status , we had no first class league ( what was in that time , actually it cant be labelled as first class games), still football was our no 1 sport. It was a premature birth as test nation. That's why I won't count our first 5 years of post test status seriously. You are right. India and Pakistan was relatively in better position than us to avail the advantage of test status.

    This thread title has just created havoc in some posters. We are still not on way to become a "powerhouse" . We have become a decent , competitive ODI side, we are making slow progress in tests.We are definitely not minnow in ODIs. In tests we are, but I am hopeful we shall give up that tag in near future
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    Absolutely. I don't know why people are raising questions in present situation when we are winning matches in ODIs regularly and sometimes in tests also. InshaAllah we shall move further forward in future also. We have decent first class structure in place, government has labelled it as no 1 sport in terms of priority. But when we were given test status , we had no first class league ( what was in that time , actually it cant be labelled as first class games), still football was our no 1 sport. It was a premature birth as test nation. That's why I won't count our first 5 years of post test status seriously. You are right. India and Pakistan was relatively in better position than us to avail the advantage of test status.

    This thread title has just created havoc in some posters. We are still not on way to become a "powerhouse" . We have become a decent , competitive ODI side, we are making slow progress in tests.We are definitely not minnow in ODIs. In tests we are, but I am hopeful we shall give up that tag in near future
    This is what I'd call an honest and true perspective.


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    Nope, their bowlers are just too short to ever be effective away from home


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    We shall find out next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Nope, their bowlers are just too short to ever be effective away from home
    Most of their pacers are above 5'10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    We shall find out next year.
    As if their dominance in last 3/4 years wasn't enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    As if their dominance in last 3/4 years wasn't enough.
    In that case i look forward to seeing BD in the semi-finals at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    As if their dominance in last 3/4 years wasn't enough.
    very impressed by how many ice cream cups the cricket powerhouse won in last 3/4 years. seriously dude, at least win a single cup first before calling yourself a powerhouse and making all your countrymen embarrassed.


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