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    Ehsan Mani responds to Najam Sethi's legal notice [Update Post #47]

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    The total benefits to Pakistan Cricket in the form of the PSL and international teams touring Pakistan alone add up to twenty thirty times more benefits to Pakistan Cricket as a whole in comparison to these expenditures so this should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The total benefits to Pakistan Cricket in the form of the PSL and international teams touring Pakistan alone add up to twenty thirty times more benefits to Pakistan Cricket as a whole in comparison to these expenditures so this should be taken with a pinch of salt.
    If Sethi committed mass murder you'd still defend it. And you call yourself a PTI supporter. A disgrace, defending corrupt thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The total benefits to Pakistan Cricket in the form of the PSL and international teams touring Pakistan alone add up to twenty thirty times more benefits to Pakistan Cricket as a whole in comparison to these expenditures so this should be taken with a pinch of salt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    If Sethi committed mass murder you'd still defend it. And you call yourself a PTI supporter. A disgrace, defending corrupt thieves.
    Also how can you defend what he did to Sharjeel without concrete evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Also how can you defend what he did to Sharjeel without concrete evidence?
    Sharjeel deserved everything that came his way. Sethi was right.


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    Hopefully he’s been saving up to donate to the Dam Fund����

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    This is barely 600k dollars over a few years. Not much here.

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    Hope we get to see the expenses and benefits of the current chairman too end of each year only then we can compare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    If Sethi committed mass murder you'd still defend it. And you call yourself a PTI supporter. A disgrace, defending corrupt thieves.
    Have some shame.

    How much is spent on chief executives and chairmen of other boards? Or, not other, but Bangla, WI, IND boards?

    And if you go by that table, Ehsan Mani in/under a month is also going at that pace.

    What did you want Sethi to do? Travel on a mule everywhere? Or economy class? Or stay in 2/3 star hotels?

    Most are required business expenses. Though the driver and medical expenses seem a bit too high.

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    Is there a salary on top of these expenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Have some shame.

    How much is spent on chief executives and chairmen of other boards? Or, not other, but Bangla, WI, IND boards?

    And if you go by that table, Ehsan Mani in/under a month is also going at that pace.

    What did you want Sethi to do? Travel on a mule everywhere? Or economy class? Or stay in 2/3 star hotels?

    Most are required business expenses. Though the driver and medical expenses seem a bit too high.
    Can you tell me why Sethi should fly business class at all? Or stay in anything more than a 3 star hotel? Pakistan is broke, in order to even get countries to tour it takes VIP level security, there's no reason for him to travel luxury unless PCB is immensely profitable.
    The same applies for Mani. The plane will get there at the same time regardless of whether the flight is in business or economy. Mani's meetings are not held at hotels, he can stay at a cheaper hotel and go to the meeting from there.
    All this while PCB was stiffing Steve Rixon on payment! Steve Rixon! No wonder he left if these are PCB's priorities!

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    Unless he is given an obnoxious amount of salary, I think these figures are quite reasonable to be honest. 7 Crore in like 4 years, or 2 crore PKR/year, that's about 14mn BDT for year or 1,200,000 BDT/month. This is not much in Corporate wage scale as, cost of an EVP for top 4-5 Banks (Cost to company including salary & others) in BD is like 10-12 lacs/month, at least. Even in NS had taken equal amount of salary (that's 14 crore cost to company in 4 years), or roughly 30 lacs PKR/month, I don't think that's too high.

    Another measurement is HR cost as a ratio of gross revenue or % of annual expense. At an average, it varies industry to industry, but roughly 10-12% of revenue is incurred by HR budget (wage & other employee expenses, including facilities, commission, incentives, travel allowances, accommodation, medical, leave pay, gratuity ... ). I am not sure about PCB's budget, but including PSL, it should reach over $60mn/year (700 crore PKR). 10% of that is like $6 million, or PRK 70 crore. That's around 700'000 PKR per employee/year, for around 1,000 employees (excluding player's cost - central contract or match fees - that's operating cost, players are like revenue generating asset for PCB).

    PCB is more of a consulting firm than manufacturer, therefore top executives % share should be higher (for a retail chain like Walmart, over 80% is consumed by Manager & lower; for Apple, it should be top few people consuming lot more)- here CEO is consuming 2 crores (excluding wage, if he is not taking any) of 70 crore, or less than 3% ........ don't think, it should be news maker.

    My estimates are ball park figures, but given the scope & authority, spending 3-4% of GR for PCB Chairman isn't illogical, considering the job required extensive air travelling & hotel accommodation. Also, medical reimbursement must cover family members as well.

    These are actually too low figures - I'll be happy to pay twice of this to Papon, if he promises that he (& his gang), won't take their off the book monthly toll from BCB.

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    They should release expenses every year hereafter. There is a disgusting attitude in any government department here in relation to perks. Usually ps18 and above officers get a small wage 80k pcm and benefits (car, accommodation, driver, gardener, etc etc) worth maybe 4 times their wages. Its not transparent their wages should be declared as that amount. If Sethi has misused any funds irrespective of him doing a good job it should be punished. If he hasnít then he should be exonerated

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    Thatís like what 600k$? Lol thatís pennies. All you Imran Khan non economics understanding posters need to pipe down.

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    The thing that doesn't make sense to me is what happened in 2017-18 compared to other years. Did he leave his mobile data on when abroad . He increased his daily allowance for that year so it was more than the combined first 3 years. I'm confused on that but can't really comment on the overall expenses as I have no idea about expenses for a cricket board chairman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamad_H View Post
    The thing that doesn't make sense to me is what happened in 2017-18 compared to other years. Did he leave his mobile data on when abroad . He increased his daily allowance for that year so it was more than the combined first 3 years. I'm confused on that but can't really comment on the overall expenses as I have no idea about expenses for a cricket board chairman.
    Probably called for long from UAE or flight via roaming or satellite phone - damn expensive. And, if he had done browsing or video conference via data (Skype or Zoom) on roaming .... Also, might have talked lot with ICC regarding the BCCI Case

    These are actually explainable figures - unless details are released, I'll take that one sheet statement as a cheap political pun. 99% common people won't & can't analyse it like a financial analyst. And, for a common man in South Asia, 7 crore in 4 years is indeed a gruesome figure.

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    7 crores in 4 years is not a big deal after all, when knowing sethi attended all those numerous meetings with ICC/PSL, other boards to convince them to play in Pakistan.

    Whatever is the case, very stupid attempt to publish this...

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    Pathetic from Ehsan Mani for releasing these details in public.

    Hes playing politics here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Probably called for long from UAE or flight via roaming or satellite phone - damn expensive. And, if he had done browsing or video conference via data (Skype or Zoom) on roaming .... Also, might have talked lot with ICC regarding the BCCI Case

    These are actually explainable figures - unless details are released, I'll take that one sheet statement as a cheap political pun. 99% common people won't & can't analyse it like a financial analyst. And, for a common man in South Asia, 7 crore in 4 years is indeed a gruesome figure.
    exactly.

    but ehsan mani is scoring political points. Should concentrate on doing his job.

    Pakistan doesn't even have a proper apparel sponsor, maybe concentrate on that.


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    Mani would be traveling in a helicopter that costs 50 rupees per km.

    He will use a satellite phone from the 80’s, dial-up Internet with scratch cards and sleep on roadside. The millions that will be saved will be used to improve the pitches and balls in domestic cricket.

    Seriously though, the naivety and the ignorance displayed by the usual suspects is shocking - the allowances quoted here are very reasonable.

    “Kue ke mendak” is the phrase that I am looking for.
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    Accountability starts from the top so this is fine. Lets see how Mani reduces these expenses.

    Also for those worried about the petty nature of these revelations, one would direct then to the PCB site where they can see how many times an annual report of PCB has been published in the past few years.

    A quick look will tell you that the PCB site contains 2 reports

    1. 2010
    2. 2017 ( the most recent one)

    So, think now. Think!


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    I hope Mani releases his own expenditures at the end of every year as well.

    There should be transparency. Everyone should be going through that, not only the predecessors.

    Saying that, I think only people who know economics, finance or corporate business should be commenting on it rather than every tom dick and harry coming in and bashing either Sethi or Mani.

    It is akin to a patient with tuberculosis saying why does he have to pay more than a guy with simple flu for their meds.

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    Expenses Of Najam Sethi And Shahryar Khan

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    Najam Sethi has replied on twitter

    Clearly motivated by new mafia at PCB. Distortion of facts and figures. This defamation will not go unchallenged.


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    What a shame that Mani has started by looking backwards and not forward. If his best play is to disparage previous regime as opposed to building Pakistan cricket on his vision, he has already tainted himself. Sethi has done well for Pakistan cricket, and Mani has no pedigree yet at all.

    Small man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Accountability starts from the top so this is fine. Lets see how Mani reduces these expenses.

    Also for those worried about the petty nature of these revelations, one would direct then to the PCB site where they can see how many times an annual report of PCB has been published in the past few years.

    A quick look will tell you that the PCB site contains 2 reports

    1. 2010
    2. 2017 ( the most recent one)

    So, think now. Think!
    Kudos to Mani for setting a standard even he will be judged by in the future.


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    Mani refuses bullet proof car, PSL chairman allowance

    Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ehsan Mani has taken practical measures to cut down board’s excessive expenditures.

    According to Daily Express, Mani has refused to take bulletproof car and allowance of 500, 000 PKR as head of Pakistan Super League (PSL).

    The bulletproof car was worth 30 million PKR and tender for it was already issued by the board. Despite insistence from board members Mani opted against spending such a hefty amount on his personal welfare.

    Mani also decided to rescind special allowance handed out to head of Pakistan Super League — something which was approved during the tenure of former PCB Chairman Najam Sethi.

    PCB has also issued complete details of chairman’s expenses and benefits from 2014 till September 30, 2018 as part of its transparency policy.

    https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/ne...rman-allowance


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    What a shame that Mani has started by looking backwards and not forward. If his best play is to disparage previous regime as opposed to building Pakistan cricket on his vision, he has already tainted himself. Sethi has done well for Pakistan cricket, and Mani has no pedigree yet at all.

    Small man.
    That looks true.

    I always had reservations about his appointment - he's a practical TREID N TESTED FAILURE as a PCB administrator. TTF.

    Now, his focus is not on building domestic pitches, curators, dressing rooms or improving the balls.

    He's scraping departmental cricket.

    He's not working on rooting out nepotism. Zakir Khan just got another post!

    What's his target?

    Get rid of 500k PKR allowance as PSL head. WHAT?!?!?!? That's such a small amount and is a very valid allowance for a head of a premier league tournament.

    PSL gives PCB millions of dollars. You HAVE to hire the most competent people at the MOST competitive allowances and salaries.


    What is this stupidity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Accountability starts from the top so this is fine. Lets see how Mani reduces these expenses.

    Also for those worried about the petty nature of these revelations, one would direct then to the PCB site where they can see how many times an annual report of PCB has been published in the past few years.

    A quick look will tell you that the PCB site contains 2 reports

    1. 2010
    2. 2017 ( the most recent one)

    So, think now. Think!
    You brought this in too early!
    The multiple anti Imran Khan Actuaries and accountants here weíre having a field day and now theyíve disappeared... I would have waited
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Najam Sethi has replied on twitter

    Clearly motivated by new mafia at PCB. Distortion of facts and figures. This defamation will not go unchallenged.

    Maybe the accountants here can explain it to Mr Sethi?

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    According to the above, Najam Sethi has stated that Ehsan Mani has released 'incorrect figures' on Imran Khan's orders. He says he was he was Chairman for one year but numbers for three years were released. He says the standing committee decided to give him 5 lakhs for his work for PSL but despite that, he didn't get any money.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    You brought this in too early!
    The multiple anti Imran Khan Actuaries and accountants here we’re having a field day and now they’ve disappeared... I would have waited
    the torture was a bit too much for my tormented soul.


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    Let's compare these figures to the previous PCB chairmans like Nasim Ashraf, Ijaz Butt, Zaka Ashraf

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketDon View Post
    That’s like what 600k$? Lol that’s pennies. All you Imran Khan non economics understanding posters need to pipe down.
    And how much do domestic players get paid, how much is spent on all the domestic setup. If its not an official meeting why did he need to travel abroad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    And how much do domestic players get paid, how much is spent on all the domestic setup. If its not an official meeting why did he need to travel abroad?.
    Right so domesric players should be on 600k$?

    He’s a chairmen. Such expenses are required. Relative to other nations and sports it’s pennies.

    What do you want him taking a taxi or driving himself and traveling economy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketDon View Post
    Right so domesric players should be on 600k$?

    Heís a chairmen. Such expenses are required. Relative to other nations and sports itís pennies.

    What do you want him taking a taxi or driving himself and traveling economy?
    No they should be paid a living wage. How much do you know what they get paid? Probably nothing because if you did know then you would make such a silly statement. The $600k could help to double the pay of the domestic players and that could only benefit the game in PK. To make clear Sethi is a crook appointed for services rendered, his only claim to fame as far cricket is concerned is to call for IK's head during the 92 WC but he no worse than all the ones that were also appointed for political reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketDon View Post
    Right so domesric players should be on 600k$?

    He’s a chairmen. Such expenses are required. Relative to other nations and sports it’s pennies.

    What do you want him taking a taxi or driving himself and traveling economy?
    As far your point about other nation goes- we are a poor country that needs to live within our means. He should only travel when its absolutely necessary- he does not need to be on tour and that alone would save 1/2 the money that is wasted

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    Good that Sethi has responded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    What a shame that Mani has started by looking backwards and not forward. If his best play is to disparage previous regime as opposed to building Pakistan cricket on his vision, he has already tainted himself. Sethi has done well for Pakistan cricket, and Mani has no pedigree yet at all.

    Small man.
    Mani is a yes man who has been installed into the post. There was nothing democratic about his appointment, so he has no choice but to follow political orders.

    It is pretty clear who is behind all of this. His Sethiphobia hasnít been cured yet, even though it has brought him humiliation in the past and his friends had to apologize on his behalf.

    Mani is archaic and I donít think he can do as good a job as Sethi, simply does not have his networking and clout. In his short stint, he has done more than what Mani has done in cricket administration in decades.

    However, it is harsh to criticize him for this. He is only following instructions. As incompetent as he may be, he still comes across as a decent individual who will not stoop so low.

    The people who do not have the decency and specialize in propaganda and lies need not to be named.

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    Sethi has been our best cricket admin ever and by far, Excellent decision by him to take PCB to court for misleading numbers. btw i'm a hardcore PTI supporter but will never buy the false stories. Sethi did a lot to Pakistan cricket and should be appreciated.


    Plz donít bring politics into sports!

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    Sethi should have first met Ehsan Mani for a cup of tea before taking legal action

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    Contrast this to the billions of Rupees that went missing from the PCB exchequer when Dr Nasim Ashraf was in charge of the PCB during a 2 year reign

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Mani is a yes man who has been installed into the post. There was nothing democratic about his appointment, so he has no choice but to follow political orders.

    It is pretty clear who is behind all of this. His Sethiphobia hasn’t been cured yet, even though it has brought him humiliation in the past and his friends had to apologize on his behalf.

    Mani is archaic and I don’t think he can do as good a job as Sethi, simply does not have his networking and clout. In his short stint, he has done more than what Mani has done in cricket administration in decades.

    However, it is harsh to criticize him for this. He is only following instructions. As incompetent as he may be, he still comes across as a decent individual who will not stoop so low.

    The people who do not have the decency and specialize in propaganda and lies need not to be named.
    Agree. Mani does come across as decent - but publishing financials and insinuating wrongdoing where there may be none, just doesn't sit well with me.

    Earn your stripes, and then do as you like.

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    Well done Sethi.

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    Update: PCB has today responded to the legal notice sent by Mr. Najam Sethi. All allegations have been categorically dismissed. PCB reserves all its rights in the matter.


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    Good detailed reply from PCB.

    But Sethi has now replied to that



    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Friday replied to the legal notice of Najam Sethi in which its former chairman claimed that wrong figures about his benefits and allowances were made public on the board’s website to defame him.

    In a brief comment on the reply to his legal notice, Sethi said: “I am not satisfied with the reply of the PCB and after consulting my lawyer I will go to the court. No answers of any of my four questions raised in my legal notice are given in this reply.”

    In his legal notice sent on Oct 29 this year, Sethi had raised four points and the PCB replied to all of them in their response.

    Sethi had claimed that he did not take the amount of Rs14,181,570 as allowance for being the Pakistan Super League (PSL) chairman as is mentioned in his account in the financial sheet issued by the PCB.

    The PCB also admitted that Sethi did not take the amount but as it was approved, it had been mentioned in his accounts.

    “The PSL Allowance in the amount of Rs. 14,181,570 was approved as a payment to be made to your client by the Board pursuant to the initiation of a circular resolution in February 2018 by your client in his capacity as chairman of the Board,” the PCB lawyer said in his reply.

    “The PSL Allowance was approved retrospectively as payble to your client for the period 1st August 2015 until his appointment as chairman PCB on 9th August 2017 at the rate of Rs 500,000 (net of tax) per month. Therefore, it is represented in the accounts as it was approved and hence would remain due until either refused by your client or such approval is altered by the Board of Governors.”

    Sethi also said that an amount of Rs7,046,845 wasn’t received by him.

    “A payment of Rs7,046,845 against the said approved PSL allowance was made to your client vide cheque dated 10th August 2018 for a net amount of Rs 6,064,516 after deducting of tax. However, upon your client informing the CFO of PCB a month later that he appeared to have misplaced the said cheque, the payment of the said cheque was stopped at your client’s request on 17th Sept, 2018.”

    Sethi, however, told Dawn he hadn’t received any such cheque. “If I lost the said cheque, then the PCB must have its receipt in its record and it should show where I received it,” he said.

    Sethi had also raised objections that while his accounts had been made public, the account details that were published of his predecessor Shaharyar Khan were limited to just a year (2017).

    PCB said in its response that it will disclose the details of Shaharyar’s whole tenure (2014-2017) “when the chart is updated along with the disclosure of benefits and allowances received by the other members of the Board”.

    Sethi had also questioned why account details of his time as PCB Executive Committee chairman, during Shaharyar’s tenure as PCB chief, were revealed.

    In its reply, the PCB said the reasons were “two-fold”.

    “First majority of these expenses and benefits such as the PSL allowance and vehicle allowance were approved retrospectively in 2018 during the period your client was chairman of the Board,” it stated. “Secondly, during such relevant period your client while not being chairman of the Board was a member of the Board of Governors as well as acting as the chairman of the executive committee.

    “As to the corresponding benefits and allowances received by the other members of the Board during this period, the same are being compiled and shall be shortly publicly disclosed pursuant to the corporate transparency policy to the Board.”

    It concluded asking Sethi to withdraw his legal notice, saying the former PCB chief had sought to defame the board.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1444656/se...to-go-to-court


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