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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Why open such threads, if Pakistani fans take pride in 11-0 let them. If Indian fans don't bother about 8-0, their problem. One can't dictate how others should care or feel about something, everybody has different view points, different inspiration and diverging avenues for obtaining happiness/pride/peace of mind. If people want to celebrate successes which don't resonate with others, why begrudge them?
    Perfectly said.

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    I think 11 years of IPL has overexposed Indian viewers and fans to T20 cricket and that's why they don't care anymore. They have had way too much of cricket in the last decade.

    Even during the IPL, most of the people who watch it and go to the stadiums are just looking to have fun and see fours and sixes and basically watch their heroes.

    They are there more for entertainment than for the sport, in particular. But that's fine I suppose.

    Anyway, an 11-0 streak in the most fickle format of the game is no joke. It's an unbelievable achievement and deserves applause.

    I see a lot of posts here downplaying T20 wins because "the fans/viewers don't care about T20". Well, that may be. But the fans aren't playing, are they? And I can guarantee you that the 22 players who go on to to field, care a LOT about winning, even in T20s. Nobody is handing any free wins just cause it's a shorter format. So there is no need to downplay wins in T20s just because you personally don't care about the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Some more food for thought....

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    Kieron Pollard looked at his marauding best at the nets, as West Indies had an optional training session at the Eden Gardens on Friday. Those who turned up at the ground were the team’s new arrivals, the T20 specialists.

    Usually, during the practice days in the lead-up to an international fixture at Eden, fans magnify the noise level outside the stadium. They gather to catch a glimpse of their favourite stars. Mobile phone cameras go into overdrive. Today, the whole atmosphere was unusually quiet, so much so that after the practice session, when Pollard came and stood in front of the stadium gate, hardly anybody noticed.

    West Indies are the defending World T20 champions, but the first T20 international here on Sunday could well be a damp squib, turnout-wise. According to a Cricket Association of Bengal (CAB) insider, the state association is struggling to distribute even the free tickets for this game.

    “We have 25,000-odd members; life members, associate members and annual members combined. So far, only a little over 8,000 members have collected their tickets. It won’t be a packed house,” said the CAB functionary.

    The CAB has 15,000 free tickets for this game, membership and complimentary passes combined. The quota is yet to be exhausted. As for priced tickets, two days before the T20 series opener, still more than 12,000 tickets are available. “One doesn’t see a turnout of more than 40,000 even if ticket sales pick up the pace over the next two days,” said the CAB functionary. Eden Gardens has a capacity of a little over 66,000.

    Ahead of the limited-overs leg of the West Indies’s ongoing tour of India, complimentary passes became a serious bone contention between the Committee of Administrators (CoA) and the staging centres. The state associations had stuck to their guns that they couldn’t restrict their quota of complimentary tickets to just 10 per cent of the total seating capacity of the stadium as per the new BCCI constitution. “…all sponsor and other free allotments shall in no event being more than 10% of the entire seating capacity,” says the Rule 37(8) of the new BCCI constitution. But the host associations put their foot down. The second ODI moved to Vizag from Indore after the Madhya Pradesh Cricket Association declined to host the game over the complimentary passes row.

    Then, CAB president Sourav Ganguly told this paper about not “compromising” on the distribution of complimentary tickets for the T20 opener. The CoA accordingly decided to reduce the BCCI’s share of complimentary tickets to half – from 1,200 to 604. The Committee also excluded membership tickets from the complimentary passes bracket. But as things stand now, there appears to be hardly any takers for the Sunday’s match.

    A CAB member blamed it on the BCCI/selection committee for omitting the two biggest stars from the Indian T20 squad. “The CAB is getting this match on rotation. At the same time, the BCCI is not giving us a full-strength Indian side. Kohli and Dhoni are the game’s box office. So the BCCI needs to decide if this series, against the world champions, is important or not. Also, this game is happening in the middle of the festive season, when the purchasing power of people is not that much. And the Indian team is shorn of stardust,” he said.

    There’s another school of thought that the T20 internationals in India should follow the IPL with regard to pricing of tickets. Tickets for this game are priced at Rs 650, Rs 1,300 and Rs 1,900. The lowest denomination for a Kolkata Knight Riders game at Eden is Rs 500.

    “Like it or not, the IPL has set the benchmark of stadium attendance for T20 matches. We can’t have the pricing beyond the IPL. For a three-hour game, Rs 650 for a top-tier ticket is a little too expensive,” the member opined.

    CAB joint-secretary Avishek Dalmiya, however, hoped that ticket sales would pick up in the next two days. “So far we have sold 17,000 tickets and the CAB hopes that in the days ahead the number would increase, because it’s also a weekend. We hope that we would have a decent turnout (on Sunday),” Dalmiya told The Indian Express.

    Meanwhile, weather forecast, too, is not very bright. A drizzle on Friday evening delayed the start of the Jagmohan Dalmiya Annual Conclave.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/sp...rdens-5432175/
    Match is on 4th Nov.

    On 6th nov Bengalis celebrate their second most important religious festival. There is no way the match would be a full house.

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    Need to give chance to all youngsters. Cant drop Rohit so he plays.

    Rohit, Rahul, Pant (wk), Iyer, DK, Krunal, Sundar, Khaleel, Shahbaz Nadeem, Kuldeep, Umesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Match is on 4th Nov.

    On 6th nov Bengalis celebrate their second most important religious festival. There is no way the match would be a full house.
    Strange to see ticket prices are so high. IPL franchises manage it much better

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    Every nation needs something to enjoy to cheer for. Why does India celebrate an Olympic bronze medal madly and reward it with more money than a gold medalist would in a developed nation? Because India is a nation deprived of international level champions. Value of a solitary bronze medal for India is way more than value of 100 gold medals that China and USA win with ease.

    Now youd be able to understand why the T20 record is so cherished by the Pakistanis. It is nation that regardless of its rank endlessly strives for glory. A nation 8th in the world might keep its expectations realistic from the next World Cup and never hope for a cup but Pakistan is a nation which wants the cup even if the team is ranked freaking 15th in the world and Bhaijaan salutes this nation for such relentless support and belief.

    Pakistan cannot deal with being a low ranked cricket nation for long. When they see their T20 team doing exceptionally well in one format they get totally behind them because it feeds their ego, desires, needs, the reason to invest time and money in cricket etc etc.

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    The mentality of Pakistan fans (generally speaking) and Indian fans are just different. We see with the hype brigade day in and day out with the small team mentality and getting carried away with meaningless T20I wins against the SL B, WI B, World XI, Scotland, Ireland and Zimbabwe. Unfortunately this stems from Pakistan players with their OTT celebrations in such games and the way the players addresses the media - case in point is Sarfraz's response to Ian Chappell question.

    Indian fans like their team have a champion mindset and don't settle for second best but at the same time have the luxury of a large talent pool to rest players for meaningless LOI bilaterals and minnow tests because they have their eye on the big picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Every nation needs something to enjoy to cheer for. Why does India celebrate an Olympic bronze medal madly and reward it with more money than a gold medalist would in a developed nation? Because India is a nation deprived of international level champions. Value of a solitary bronze medal for India is way more than value of 100 gold medals that China and USA win with ease.

    Now youd be able to understand why the T20 record is so cherished by the Pakistanis. It is nation that regardless of its rank endlessly strives for glory. A nation 8th in the world might keep its expectations realistic from the next World Cup and never hope for a cup but Pakistan is a nation which wants the cup even if the team is ranked freaking 15th in the world and Bhaijaan salutes this nation for such relentless support and belief.

    Pakistan cannot deal with being a low ranked cricket nation for long. When they see their T20 team doing exceptionally well in one format they get totally behind them because it feeds their ego, desires, needs, the reason to invest time and money in cricket etc etc.
    The level of trolling is SAVAGE here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak_virat View Post
    I am not getting why there is so much bragging about this 11-0 streak , India is undefeated in last 8 series and we are not making any fuss about it.
    Translation: JEALOUS.

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    Its not that India doesnt care, the issue is that Pakistan has better streak so Indians cannot brag, thats all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Every nation needs something to enjoy to cheer for. Why does India celebrate an Olympic bronze medal madly and reward it with more money than a gold medalist would in a developed nation? Because India is a nation deprived of international level champions. Value of a solitary bronze medal for India is way more than value of 100 gold medals that China and USA win with ease.

    Now youd be able to understand why the T20 record is so cherished by the Pakistanis. It is nation that regardless of its rank endlessly strives for glory. A nation 8th in the world might keep its expectations realistic from the next World Cup and never hope for a cup but Pakistan is a nation which wants the cup even if the team is ranked freaking 15th in the world and Bhaijaan salutes this nation for such relentless support and belief.

    Pakistan cannot deal with being a low ranked cricket nation for long. When they see their T20 team doing exceptionally well in one format they get totally behind them because it feeds their ego, desires, needs, the reason to invest time and money in cricket etc etc.
    I believe Bhaijaan needs to do some homework. Because if he did, he would know Pakistan is not 8th in any format

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Why open such threads, if Pakistani fans take pride in 11-0 let them. If Indian fans don't bother about 8-0, their problem. One can't dictate how others should care or feel about something, everybody has different view points, different inspiration and diverging avenues for obtaining happiness/pride/peace of mind. If people want to celebrate successes which don't resonate with others, why begrudge them?
    Correct. People should be free to feel happy or sad.

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    I feel like Indian fans are still angry about our Champions trophy victory and they should be. The hate is real, real enough to create a thread like this. look, we are happy of our test team performances under misbah, our Champions trophy victory, and out 28 out of 32 t20 streak. Pak team has been very good under misbah and Sarfraz and we respect our players. Us fans have been very happy over the last 2 years and long may it continue. Keep creating threads like these, it means we are doing something right. I really feel Indian fans still hate the Champions trophy beatdown scar and that's that.

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    Because no one cares about T20. I was upset when we lost the 2014 T20 WC, I thought we should have scored more then I saw that SL was the #1 T20 team and had very good death over stats and average runs scored against them was also very low in general so I realized it wasn't a bad agame after. Same thing here, all our players play IPL, they have enough experience and we should this good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak_virat View Post
    It will be still useless for us , we Indian never prefer T-20 accept IPL . More of us are interested in test series.
    That why India has won 10 matches out of 75 since the 1990 in tests in South Africa, Newzealans, England and Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realromeo View Post
    Because no one cares about T20. I was upset when we lost the 2014 T20 WC, I thought we should have scored more then I saw that SL was the #1 T20 team and had very good death over stats and average runs scored against them was also very low in general so I realized it wasn't a bad agame after. Same thing here, all our players play IPL, they have enough experience and we should this good.
    so end of argument I suppose.


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    It's a normal progression. When you are accustomed to success, then the regular wins become meaningless. Being undefeated, this or that, we had such streaks before so it doesn't makes up jump in joy. We want world cup for the third time.

    Pakistan on the other hand, aren't accustomed to it. All the past successes have been result of bursts which propelled them towards victory. This is perhaps one of the few times where Pakistan team is consistent and hence, so much hype.

    It's just human psychology. If team Pakistan had same consistency as India, you wouldn't have seen such hype.

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    Clearly the real reason is because this forum is called pakpassion.com and not indpassion.com.....
    What else do you Indian fans expect? Should we pak fans make threads about Donald Trump or Shahrukh Khan instead? What stupidity is this ? Indian fans don't like the pak team because of what happened in CT trophy. Just admit it and move on. Case closed. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subhan999 View Post
    Clearly the real reason is because this forum is called pakpassion.com and not indpassion.com.....
    What else do you Indian fans expect? Should we pak fans make threads about Donald Trump or Shahrukh Khan instead? What stupidity is this ? Indian fans don't like the pak team because of what happened in CT trophy. Just admit it and move on. Case closed. thanks
    Exactly my point every time... THIS IS PAKPASSION.... if you dont like it go to indiapassion or something else 🤦🏽*♂️

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    The mentality of Pakistan fans (generally speaking) and Indian fans are just different. We see with the hype brigade day in and day out with the small team mentality and getting carried away with meaningless T20I wins against the SL B, WI B, World XI, Scotland, Ireland and Zimbabwe. Unfortunately this stems from Pakistan players with their OTT celebrations in such games and the way the players addresses the media - case in point is Sarfraz's response to Ian Chappell question.

    Indian fans like their team have a champion mindset and don't settle for second best but at the same time have the luxury of a large talent pool to rest players for meaningless LOI bilaterals and minnow tests because they have their eye on the big picture.
    IS that why there was amassive outcry when the team with champion mindset was outclassed in two formats that matter in England ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    The mentality of Pakistan fans (generally speaking) and Indian fans are just different. We see with the hype brigade day in and day out with the small team mentality and getting carried away with meaningless T20I wins against the SL B, WI B, World XI, Scotland, Ireland and Zimbabwe. Unfortunately this stems from Pakistan players with their OTT celebrations in such games and the way the players addresses the media - case in point is Sarfraz's response to Ian Chappell question.

    Indian fans like their team have a champion mindset and don't settle for second best but at the same time have the luxury of a large talent pool to rest players for meaningless LOI bilaterals and minnow tests because they have their eye on the big picture.
    Maybe you were sleeping during the last four series which were against Aus(bilateral and tri-series) and NZ(bilateral x2). Get your facts right before trying to be an expert.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    It's a normal progression. When you are accustomed to success, then the regular wins become meaningless. Being undefeated, this or that, we had such streaks before so it doesn't makes up jump in joy. We want world cup for the third time.

    Pakistan on the other hand, aren't accustomed to it. All the past successes have been result of bursts which propelled them towards victory. This is perhaps one of the few times where Pakistan team is consistent and hence, so much hype.

    It's just human psychology. If team Pakistan had same consistency as India, you wouldn't have seen such hype.
    The so called successful team share the consistency with Pakistan for being rubbish abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    It's a normal progression. When you are accustomed to success, then the regular wins become meaningless. Being undefeated, this or that, we had such streaks before so it doesn't makes up jump in joy. We want world cup for the third time.

    Pakistan on the other hand, aren't accustomed to it. All the past successes have been result of bursts which propelled them towards victory. This is perhaps one of the few times where Pakistan team is consistent and hence, so much hype.

    It's just human psychology. If team Pakistan had same consistency as India, you wouldn't have seen such hype.
    When was the last time India won a world tournament?


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    Poor thread. One is undefeated for 8 series while the other won 11 consecutive series. Nobody was talking about about Pakistani's streak before the 10th series victory. Pointless thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    When was the last time India won a world tournament?
    infact when india won world t20 last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    infact when india won world t20 last time.
    I guess 2011 was my dream then

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    The so called successful team share the consistency with Pakistan for being rubbish abroad.
    exactly. That's why we both indians and pakistani fans rate aus and eng tours so high while counting numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    I guess 2011 was my dream then
    India didn't win T20 WC in 2011


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    When was the last time India won a world tournament?
    world cup 2011.

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    We don't care about Asia Cup, West Indies series, ODI and T20 bilaterals. Just accept some of you are part time cricket fans and glory hunters who only show up whenever India is doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    The mentality of Pakistan fans (generally speaking) and Indian fans are just different. We see with the hype brigade day in and day out with the small team mentality and getting carried away with meaningless T20I wins against the SL B, WI B, World XI, Scotland, Ireland and Zimbabwe. Unfortunately this stems from Pakistan players with their OTT celebrations in such games and the way the players addresses the media - case in point is Sarfraz's response to Ian Chappell question.

    Indian fans like their team have a champion mindset and don't settle for second best but at the same time have the luxury of a large talent pool to rest players for meaningless LOI bilaterals and minnow tests because they have their eye on the big picture.
    Spot on.

    Both our awaam and cricketers have that absolute minnow mentality. The celebrations by Sarfraz in the Aus T20 series were horrible.

    Nauseating.

    He forgot how horrible he and his team is in the proper formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    world cup 2011.
    Quite a big drought for "highly successful side"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    world cup 2011.
    Wrong. ICC Champions Trophy 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    Poor thread. One is undefeated for 8 series while the other won 11 consecutive series. Nobody was talking about about Pakistani's streak before the 10th series victory. Pointless thread.
    Nobody except Pakistan, Afghanistan and Uganda takes T20s seriously.

    The format doesn't have much importance. No streak means anything. Unless you win the W T20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Wrong. ICC Champions Trophy 2013.
    we are consistent performer in CT. So it doesn't hold high regards. Techincally you are right but from the pov of impact, it will be world cup 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    India didn't win T20 WC in 2011
    First thing, you were responding to a post mentioning a Indian team in general. Secondly, you asked about world tournament not T20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Wrong. ICC Champions Trophy 2013.
    It is not a world tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Quite a big drought for "highly successful side"
    everything is relative. You have to chose a frame of reference. In this thread, that reference is performance that of pakistan. And compared to pakistan, india has performed consistently better in last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Quite a big drought for "highly successful side"
    Since then T20 WC 2014 finalists, WC 2015 semi finalists, T20 2016 semi finalists. Isn't that successful? Tell me which other team more consistent than that.

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    Also didn't India lose to WI, the team that Pakistan smashed home and away?

    This jealousy and hatred posts are getting annoying and pathetic. Talk about something else for once instead of trying to prove how Pakistan doesn't deserve victories or the right to enjoy those victories.

    Repeating the same rubbish 24/7 wont change anything, you will only be seen as desperate individuals trying your best to degrade Pakistan's success.

    Even the most die-hard fans will tell you our batting is questionable, but these pathetic attempts to degrade anything that this team does is just ridiculous and annoying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    Also didn't India lose to WI, the team that Pakistan smashed home and away?

    This jealousy and hatred posts are getting annoying and pathetic. Talk about something else for once instead of trying to prove how Pakistan doesn't deserve victories or the right to enjoy those victories.

    Repeating the same rubbish 24/7 wont change anything, you will only be seen as desperate individuals trying your best to degrade Pakistan's success.

    Even the most die-hard fans will tell you our batting is questionable, but these pathetic attempts to degrade anything that this team does is just ridiculous and annoying.
    i missed the gist of your post. This thread is about india not giving value to its success. Just because we don't value to some undefeated streak in T20 arena, it doesn't mean you should feel insecure. We aim higher. You are content at these success. There's nothing about jealousy or hatred. Its just each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Since then T20 WC 2014 finalists, WC 2015 semi finalists, T20 2016 semi finalists. Isn't that successful? Tell me which other team more consistent than that.
    Champion team should not be satisfied for being just finalists or semi finalists. That's for minnow mentality teams like Pak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    Also didn't India lose to WI, the team that Pakistan smashed home and away.
    You lost a test match to West Indies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Nobody except Pakistan, Afghanistan and Uganda takes T20s seriously.

    The format doesn't have much importance. No streak means anything. Unless you win the W T20.
    What do you mean by takes seriously? Are you saying the players do not try when they play T20I?

    Selectors are selecting their best players available. Example: This NZ side and ENG side that played against SL. So i ask again, the players purposely do not try hard even though fans pay to watch them? The effort shown by this NZ side says otherwise.

    Stop with this nonsense that nobody cares. It's pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    Champion team should not be satisfied for being just finalists or semi finalists. That's for minnow mentality teams like Pak
    Don't take it hard. With the strong financial background that india has, it was evident that india will surpass the others. You can actually argue that india has underachieved while pakistan is somewhat puching above the belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Nobody except Pakistan, Afghanistan and Uganda takes T20s seriously.

    The format doesn't have much importance. No streak means anything. Unless you win the W T20.
    So losing to England 4-1in tests and 2-1 in ODI for a great team should be a great concern. But England also does not matter., along with T20s. Yes currently India is better than us largely due to one super batsman Kohl in tests. Their ranking also better than us largely playing at home on pitches tailored to their strength and other advantages of playing at actual home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    IS that why there was amassive outcry when the team with champion mindset was outclassed in two formats that matter in England ?
    Outclass in Test not ODI . If it's a 5 matches sereis then anybody can win the series. But test defeat surely hurt me , because except 2nd test we have a good chances of winning the matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    Champion team should not be satisfied for being just finalists or semi finalists. That's for minnow mentality teams like Pak
    I guess Germany, Spain, Brazil etc are not successful sides in football either. They have not won everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    What do you mean by takes seriously? Are you saying the players do not try when they play T20I?

    Selectors are selecting their best players available. Example: This NZ side and ENG side that played against SL. So i ask again, the players purposely do not try hard even though fans pay to watch them? The effort shown by this NZ side says otherwise.

    Stop with this nonsense that nobody cares. It's pathetic.
    "seriously" here means long term planning and its execution.
    When you have a world cup or a big test series coming up, you plan ahead and then take steps in order to maximize your win probability. For example, before an england series, a player may play county cricket just to get accustomed with the environment both on or off the field.

    In case of T20, no one does take extra initiative to maximize this. More often, players look exhausted after a long test series and odi series. Hence, the importance gets diminish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Don't take it hard. With the strong financial background that india has, it was evident that india will surpass the others. You can actually argue that india has underachieved while pakistan is somewhat puching above the belt.
    Agree on this point. Pak has lots going against them not enough financial or resources, not playing home and not getting enough matches abroad to give players experience.

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    India is a better t20 side than Pakistan, everyone knows that. We have our proud record against them in world t20s that stretches back to 2007. This Pakistani team is getting alot of hype, but let me reassure you that we inferior to some really good sides, especially when it comes to chasing we are well below : Newzealand India and WI

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Since then T20 WC 2014 finalists, WC 2015 semi finalists, T20 2016 semi finalists. Isn't that successful? Tell me which other team more consistent than that.
    The poster I quoted said India is highly successful team.... coming second, third, fourth best is not highly successful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    I guess Germany, Spain, Brazil etc are not successful sides in football either. They have not won everything.
    It was not I who is saying that my post is sarcasm. Reading these threads gave me impression being anything other than

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    It is not a world tournament.
    Is that because Pakistan won it last time?

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    India is the most consistent team in world tournaments in ODIs and T20Is in the last few years. They routinely reach SF or even finals. That's what good teams do. Winning the SF or final depends on the day and that's what separates good and great teams in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Quite a big drought for "highly successful side"
    We won CT in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    The poster I quoted said India is highly successful team.... coming second, third, fourth best is not highly successful.
    It is all relative. Which other team has that record? Doesn't that mean India is more successful?

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    That was sarcasm from me. Some posters were saying how India has champion mindset and only winning cup matters. Coming second third fourth not good enough for them as they aim high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Is that because Pakistan won it last time?
    Bhai, we won it 2 times. Pak won it last time. Congratulations. It hurt, i admit. But it hurt because it was against Pakistan not because it was the greatest tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Bhai, we won it 2 times. Pak won it last time. Congratulations. It hurt, i admit. But it hurt because it was against Pakistan not because it was the greatest tournament.
    It hurt because it was the final of a world tournament. I can pull up posts of Indian fans till 2017, when CT was a world tournament for you lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    It is all relative. Which other team has that record? Doesn't that mean India is more successful?
    No.... definition of success is winning tournaments. There were 5-6 tournaments from 2007-2012 for which Pakistan made the semi or beyond everytime and only won 1 solitary 2009 T20 WC. How many people remember that period?

    It only counts if you win.


    So again I reiterate quite a big drought for a team claimed by its fans to be "highly successful"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    It hurt because it was the final of a world tournament. I can pull up posts of Indian fans till 2017, when CT was a world tournament for you lot.
    A tournament which is scrapped is world tournament. Talk about relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    i missed the gist of your post. This thread is about india not giving value to its success. Just because we don't value to some undefeated streak in T20 arena, it doesn't mean you should feel insecure. We aim higher. You are content at these success. There's nothing about jealousy or hatred. Its just each to their own.
    Good reply. My point here is why Indian didn't value to their t-20 sucess like pakistani do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    No.... definition of success is winning tournaments. There were 5-6 tournaments from 2007-2012 for which Pakistan made the semi or beyond everytime and only won 1 solitary 2009 T20 WC. How many people remember that period?

    It only counts if you win.


    So again I reiterate quite a big drought for a team claimed by its fans to be "highly successful"
    By that logic, there are no successful sides in the world

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    I think it especially matters for Pakistan as they can find players who are super skilled and they can try that player in Odis and utilize their form and skill. India is odi giant. So for India it matters in terms of form of the players. Some players who play both format can find their form back. So I see t20 series as not only achievement but also a platform to prepare for Odis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    "seriously" here means long term planning and its execution.
    When you have a world cup or a big test series coming up, you plan ahead and then take steps in order to maximize your win probability. For example, before an england series, a player may play county cricket just to get accustomed with the environment both on or off the field.

    In case of T20, no one does take extra initiative to maximize this. More often, players look exhausted after a long test series and odi series. Hence, the importance gets diminish.
    What?? What extra initiatives are needed for T20 matches? That's what the leagues are for. Players who perform in the T20 leagues all over the world get all the experience they need in different conditions with different players. What else do you want?

    ENG T20 Squad against SL:
    Roy
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    Morgan
    Stokes
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    Rashid
    Liam
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    Curran

    With that squad in what universe are England not taking T20I seriously?

    You clearly do not understand. This is how you improve and build a strong T20 team that can beat other top teams and top that league and prepare for T20 WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    By that logic, there are no successful sides in the world
    Not many teams fans are going out thumping chests over "highly successful side"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Not many teams fans are going out thumping chests over "highly successful side"
    What should they chest thump for if not for being successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    No.... definition of success is winning tournaments. There were 5-6 tournaments from 2007-2012 for which Pakistan made the semi or beyond everytime and only won 1 solitary 2009 T20 WC. How many people remember that period?

    It only counts if you win.


    So again I reiterate quite a big drought for a team claimed by its fans to be "highly successful"
    While making sky high aims, you need to look at the ground reality. This is one of the reason why pak team has been always a weaker team against india in world arenas. You try to jump so high but lack the ability to balance and hence self destruct yourself. That's why, you define "successful" as "win only" aspect which is far from reality to the level of delusional. You have the same unripe attitude as above.

    Indians on the other hand, aim higher but doesn't forget the ground. Hence we take small steps towards a bigger goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    What?? What extra initiatives are needed for T20 matches? That's what the leagues are for. Players who perform in the T20 leagues all over the world get all the experience they need in different conditions with different players. What else do you want?

    ENG T20 Squad against SL:
    Roy
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    With that squad in what universe are England not taking T20I seriously?

    You clearly do not understand. This is how you improve and build a strong T20 team that can beat other top teams and top that league and prepare for T20 WC.
    you answered your own question. It is futile as you feel there's no need of ground work.

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    The T20 wins in SA and England were followed by Test series losses. Would have preferred to win tests, lose T20s if it came to that.

    Anyways,3 T20 series coming up - vs WI, Aus and then NZ. Winning all three will be good especially if we win with younger players contributing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    you answered your own question. It is futile as you feel there's no need of ground work.
    So just because T20 matches are prepared differently therefore they don't matter and they are not taken seriously? That's some troll logic for you. Tell that to Aus and NZ who tried their best with their best players available. Tell that to Maxwell who was crying at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    What do you mean by takes seriously? Are you saying the players do not try when they play T20I?

    Selectors are selecting their best players available. Example: This NZ side and ENG side that played against SL. So i ask again, the players purposely do not try hard even though fans pay to watch them? The effort shown by this NZ side says otherwise.

    Stop with this nonsense that nobody cares. It's pathetic.
    Meaning, they don't think this format tells anything about quality. The media, pundits, present and ex-cricketers do not take any player's notice if someone performs in T20s.

    As an example, if you're good in Tests like Abbas, the entire world will instantly notice you and sing your praises.

    It's "fun" cricket, nobody gives a damn 1 hour after the match is over.

    People would take winning ODIs/Tests any day over T20s.


    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    So losing to England 4-1in tests and 2-1 in ODI for a great team should be a great concern. But England also does not matter., along with T20s. Yes currently India is better than us largely due to one super batsman Kohl in tests. Their ranking also better than us largely playing at home on pitches tailored to their strength and other advantages of playing at actual home.
    IND has a poor record in England, that is true. We did well, credit where due.

    But, rankings do not consider only a single series. They're based on your performances over a large sample size, your consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    So just because T20 matches are prepared differently therefore they don't matter and they are not taken seriously? That's some troll logic for you. Tell that to Aus and NZ who tried their best with their best players available. Tell that to Maxwell who was crying at the end.
    As an indian, i can only talk about india and our work culture, our strength and our weaknesses. So i can't represent what aus or nz thinks.

    For india, T20 is for taking some extra cash. It always comes at the end of a long tour generally. After 4-5 test match at a trot, players do get burnt out and they play with less intensity. It's not that the effort isn't there but all humans have physical limitations.

    If T20 was given proper attention in terms of indian framework, you wuold have seen IPL like structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Meaning, they don't think this format tells anything about quality. The media, pundits, present and ex-cricketers do not take any player's notice if someone performs in T20s.

    As an example, if you're good in Tests like Abbas, the entire world will instantly notice you and sing your praises.

    It's "fun" cricket, nobody gives a damn 1 hour after the match is over.

    People would take winning ODIs/Tests any day over T20s.




    IND has a poor record in England, that is true. We did well, credit where due.

    But, rankings do not consider only a single series. They're based on your performances over a large sample size, your consistency.
    That has nothing to do with taking matches seriously. Yes a player will get more recognition if he performs in Test but that's not what i'm arguing.

    When selectors select their best team, and that best team gives it their all, then in what shape or form are they not taking the match seriously? When players enter a field they perform their best regardless of the format or the team they are playing for. When NZ were diving around in the field and making the most difficult catches, do you think for a sec they thought who-cares this is a T20 match we don't have to give it our all? No, because they do take it seriously.

    Yes a cricket board will give more attention to tests and ODIs but that does not mean they do not care about T20I matches, that is flawed thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Meaning, they don't think this format tells anything about quality. The media, pundits, present and ex-cricketers do not take any player's notice if someone performs in T20s.

    As an example, if you're good in Tests like Abbas, the entire world will instantly notice you and sing your praises.

    It's "fun" cricket, nobody gives a damn 1 hour after the match is over.

    People would take winning ODIs/Tests any day over T20s.




    IND has a poor record in England, that is true. We did well, credit where due.

    But, rankings do not consider only a single series. They're based on your performances over a large sample size, your consistency.
    Large sample size based on winning at actual home as oppose to Pak who have to travel out even for a home series. India get much more matches away than Pak hence our players are less prepared or experienced in different conditions. As I said before the only difference in tests between India and Pak is Kohli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Meaning, they don't think this format tells anything about quality. The media, pundits, present and ex-cricketers do not take any player's notice if someone performs in T20s.

    As an example, if you're good in Tests like Abbas, the entire world will instantly notice you and sing your praises.

    It's "fun" cricket, nobody gives a damn 1 hour after the match is over.

    People would take winning ODIs/Tests any day over T20s.




    IND has a poor record in England, that is true. We did well, credit where due.

    But, rankings do not consider only a single series. They're based on your performances over a large sample size, your consistency.
    So our fans think that International T20's are fun cricket but a low level Pyjama League like IPL (where Unadkat is a superstar) is serious cricket?

    Thanks to IPL, lots of cr@p players have been supplied to Indian Cricket Team over the past couple of years. Bits and pieces players like Pandya have managed to represent India in test cricket. We have fans like @cricketindiafan here who are blaming CSK mafia for Dhoni's continous selection in Indian Cricket Team. All these things force me to not agree with your post that T20 is fun cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    That has nothing to do with taking matches seriously. Yes a player will get more recognition if he performs in Test but that's not what i'm arguing.

    When selectors select their best team, and that best team gives it their all, then in what shape or form are they not taking the match seriously? When players enter a field they perform their best regardless of the format or the team they are playing for. When NZ were diving around in the field and making the most difficult catches, do you think for a sec they thought who-cares this is a T20 match we don't have to give it our all? No, because they do take it seriously.

    Yes a cricket board will give more attention to tests and ODIs but that does not mean they do not care about T20I matches, that is flawed thinking.
    Let me make it simple. Just because Pakistan is number 1 in T20 ranking, some of our fans are not taking it seriously. Both countries have fans like these who are quick to downplay rankings and other achievements like CT win or Test No. 1 ranking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Indians on the other hand, aim higher but doesn't forget the ground. Hence we take small steps towards a bigger goal.
    What is your big goal? As far as ODIs are concerned, a purist would term it Pajama cricket as well. You jave always been good in tests AT HOME only and somewhat successful in ASIA. Even at home, your overall test record against Pak is not great.

    India has achieved zilch overseas. Your small steps are not even baby steps against top test teams like AU, Eng, SA at their home. Heck, even against NZ, you have not achieved anything worth mentioning at their home. After all the financial success of India in the past couple of decades, I would hide in shame before describing those small steps. Pak achievement in tests barring in Eng are not good but we don't go boasting success as Indians.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Let me make it simple. Just because Pakistan is number 1 in T20 ranking, some of our fans are not taking it seriously. Both countries have fans like these who are quick to downplay rankings and other achievements like CT win or Test No. 1 ranking.
    In a nutshell every international match on every format against every format matters. Otherwise NO point holding them. T2O or something similar is the future of Cricket so fans need to respect it as that maybe the only cricket they will get to watch.


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