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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Are comparing these duds to Bumrah, Kohli, Shami, Chahal and Kuldeep?

    India chooses to use T20s as a format to test B or C side.

    A full strength Indian side is still way above Pakistan.
    Of course it is because the last time they played each other India were clearly twice the side Pakistan are.
    BTW, all the above Pakistani duds & Indian megastars, Shami excepted, played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalin View Post
    Those 2 or 3 players are the best players in their departments. It's funny how Pak posters downplay India's test series win in Australia by saying that they missed their 2 best players that too when playing at home. And when it comes to India , they just say "just 2 or 3 players missing, doesn't matter". The hypocrisy is astounding.
    You are not missing the discussion. Most sane posters are not saying Kohli or Bumrah missing does not impact India team. Many Indian posters are some D&G Pakistani posters were suggesting that India does not take T20s seriously because they are high and mighty now days. India uses T20s to blood youngsters and give chances to their B and C players. Whereas in reality is that 80 percent of these players would be in the 15 for India T20 world cup.
    As for them playing for practise that is also rubbish as these guys are very experienced and have has plenty of practise in last two years in various international games in different formats plus IPLs.
    Pak have played probably more newbies than India in T20s last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    I understand that it is insulting for Pakistan's ranking that teams don't take T20 format seriously, but that's how it is.
    Should be even more insulting to BCCI & ICC (who dedicate a two month window) so that second rate domestic teams can play poor level cricket in the T20 format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    That does undermine India's victory, but the point is that Australia and most Test nations still take the format seriously and announce the best available team.

    With T20s, its different. People don't really care.
    Pak test record
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    Win percentage 32.15

    India test record
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    Win percentage 28.19

    Talk about better test playing nation and the format most teams taken seriously??

    Want to bring out head to head record India vs Pak??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalin View Post
    No-one is celebrating that triumph anymore. If we've celebrated that triumph too much we would not have won the odi series in Australia and New Zealand (because of the complacency and hangover ) .
    And by the way that worst Aussie side has thrashed Sri Lanka black and blue and a few pak posters even backed Sri Lanka to win.
    Pak test record
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    Win percentage 32.15

    India test record
    532 matches 150 wins 164 defeats
    Win percentage 28.19

    Talk about better test playing nation and the format most teams taken seriously??

    Want to bring out head to head record India vs Pak??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    You are not missing the discussion. Most sane posters are not saying Kohli or Bumrah missing does not impact India team. Many Indian posters are some D&G Pakistani posters were suggesting that India does not take T20s seriously because they are high and mighty now days. India uses T20s to blood youngsters and give chances to their B and C players. Whereas in reality is that 80 percent of these players would be in the 15 for India T20 world cup.
    As for them playing for practise that is also rubbish as these guys are very experienced and have has plenty of practise in last two years in various international games in different formats plus IPLs.
    Pak have played probably more newbies than India in T20s last few years.
    Alright tell me. Will Rishabh Pant make it to the world cup? No.
    Krunal Pandya ? No
    Vijay Shankar ? Most probably No.
    Khaleel Ahmed ? Surely no. ( Now that shami's back in good form)
    Siraj and Kaul as well who are in the squad won't make it to the world cup. 6 players in the squad, who have little to zero chances at the world cup , but still we played them just to test our bench strength. Tells you how serious we are about t20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Pak test record
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    Win percentage 32.15

    India test record
    532 matches 150 wins 164 defeats
    Win percentage 28.19

    Talk about better test playing nation and the format most teams taken seriously??

    Want to bring out head to head record India vs Pak??
    Yeah do that. And when you're at it, dig out a few stats from the world war era to soothe your pains. Living in the past will get you nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalin View Post
    Alright tell me. Will Rishabh Pant make it to the world cup? No.
    Krunal Pandya ? No
    Vijay Shankar ? Most probably No.
    Khaleel Ahmed ? Surely no. ( Now that shami's back in good form)
    Siraj and Kaul as well who are in the squad won't make it to the world cup. 6 players in the squad, who have little to zero chances at the world cup , but still we played them just to test our bench strength. Tells you how serious we are about t20s.
    Who knows what will happen in the next 4 months. These are the next best options for India so they needed to be tested, in case of injuries. Unfortunately some of them, according to Indian fans, are not upto the mark.

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    The joke that is Dhoni shouldnít be anywhere near the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalin View Post
    Alright tell me. Will Rishabh Pant make it to the world cup? No.
    Krunal Pandya ? No
    Vijay Shankar ? Most probably No.
    Khaleel Ahmed ? Surely no. ( Now that shami's back in good form)
    Siraj and Kaul as well who are in the squad won't make it to the world cup. 6 players in the squad, who have little to zero chances at the world cup , but still we played them just to test our bench strength. Tells you how serious we are about t20s.
    I said 80 percent and Yes to Pant as he is better than Karthik and Dhoni. Surely you will drop 2 3 non performing players for likes of Kohli and Bumrah. Shamsi has poor T20 record why would you play him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    I said 80 percent and Yes to Pant as he is better than Karthik and Dhoni. Surely you will drop 2 3 non performing players for likes of Kohli and Bumrah. Shamsi has poor T20 record why would you play him?
    80 percent means 12 out of 15 players.
    And no, pant is not better than Dhoni or Karthik in odis. And when did I say anything about Shami?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Oh dayum, condolences @Mamoon - best t20I team lost to NZ which Pakistan beat.
    Donít offer me condolences. This wasnít Indianís full team.

    You and I both know that if India and Pakistan face-off in a T20 series, it will be a repeat of the Asia Cup. Kohli alone will beat us multiple times like he has in T20s in the past.

    India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all formats and if you cannot make peace with it, itís your problem.

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    India B team defeated by New Zealand B team.

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    Incredible power hitting at the end by the Indians. I thought they'd lose by 25 runs. That's why they chase games. Some of them have nerves of steel. Khaleel as we all know is a dud. DK is clutch. Shankar can seriously replace Rayudu if he stops being a bobblehead and doesn't hurt his neck during his superstitious routine of mimicking a wood pecker. India have their bases covered for the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Donít offer me condolences. This wasnít Indianís full team.

    You and I both know that if India and Pakistan face-off in a T20 series, it will be a repeat of the Asia Cup. Kohli alone will beat us multiple times like he has in T20s in the past.

    India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all formats and if you cannot make peace with it, itís your problem.
    Oh cmon man. The law of extrapolation states that teams can take solace in other's loss to vindicate their own loss. The rule of bragging rights enables that. Thought you knew better!!

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    I'm surprised why Shankar was not considered for No.4 before in ODIs. Guy has serious talent. The way he scorched a 145 ball to mid on shows he possesses the gift of time that only a precious few possess. This guy has potential to play test cricket let alone ODIs. Plays all around the wicket and doesn't get bothered by pace or swing or spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    I'm surprised why Shankar was not considered for No.4 before in ODIs. Guy has serious talent. The way he scorched a 145 ball to mid on shows he possesses the gift of time that only a precious few possess. This guy has potential to play test cricket let alone ODIs. Plays all around the wicket and doesn't get bothered by pace or swing or spin.
    Looked really mediocre when debuted, couldnt even touch the ball on some crucial occasions, must have been the nerves. Just shows it takes most of the players few matches for to settle in and show their actual capability and fans should realize that. Also he was promoted up so that he doesnt have to come under a lot of pressure down the order.

    India was looking at him as an all rounder and backup to Pandya which with his current pace he surely isnt but batting is something which he has showed some potential in.
    Last edited by Titan24; 10th February 2019 at 20:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Looked really mediocre when debuted, couldnt even touch the ball on some crucial occasions, must have been the nerves. Just shows it takes most of the players few matches for to settle in and show their actual capability and fans should realize that. Also he was promoted up so that he doesnt have to come under a lot of pressure down the order.

    India was looking at him as an all rounder and backup to Pandya which with his current pace he surely isnt but batting is something which he has showed some potential in.
    That is understandable. He is opposite of a slogger. Expecting him to slog against the variations Fiz straight away can often go pearshaped. Many teams when they faced Fiz for the first time had trouble picking his slower balls. He is a proper lower order batsman even for his state. Very often he would come in at a dicey situation and produce a subtantive innings. He has some potential to be a hitter. In one dayers he will be very handy. He plays genuine pace very well. He will be more like Ravichandran ashwin than a Pandya. As long as he understands his own game, he should be good. Trying to be someone he is not can ruin his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Donít offer me condolences. This wasnít Indianís full team.

    You and I both know that if India and Pakistan face-off in a T20 series, it will be a repeat of the Asia Cup. Kohli alone will beat us multiple times like he has in T20s in the past.

    India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all formats and if you cannot make peace with it, itís your problem.
    8 players on this team that lost play regularly for India . don't give me that it's not their full team or c team if you can't make peace with it that's your problem . It's one thing if India played a starting eleven of 3 players out of eleven than yeah u can call that C team but it wasn't the case. Also India should be proud they played well and only lost but 4 runs no shame in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    8 players on this team that lost play regularly for India . don't give me that it's not their full team or c team if you can't make peace with it that's your problem . It's one thing if India played a starting eleven of 3 players out of eleven than yeah u can call that C team but it wasn't the case. Also India should be proud they played well and only lost but 4 runs no shame in that.
    Seriously? KL Rahul averages 43 at a strike rate of 140 plus. You need to brush up you rknowledge about India domestic cricket. Just because India doesn't send a proper team to any T20 series that doesn't mean all those who play are "regulars".

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    Congratulation pakistan

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    So when we won against depleted australian team nobody wanted to talk about them missing their key players. But now when we have lost the series against NZ we are quick to remind everyone of indian team missing key players?

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    I do not know why Indian posters are now protesting when we having a little fun as it was the Indians who initiated the mocking of Pak playing strong T20 teams and how India fields c or d teams for such tamasha matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    8 players on this team that lost play regularly for India . don't give me that it's not their full team or c team if you can't make peace with it that's your problem . It's one thing if India played a starting eleven of 3 players out of eleven than yeah u can call that C team but it wasn't the case. Also India should be proud they played well and only lost but 4 runs no shame in that.
    India were without Kohli, Bumrah and K. Yadav (played 1 match only). These are not just regular good players. They are the best in the world at what they do.

    A full-strength India are the best T20 side at the moment and will hammer Pakistan. End of story.

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    People are talking about India missing players as if NZ were playing full stenght!
    India were missing 2 players where NZ where missing Guptill and all their pace attack: Boult, Henry, Milne.

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    T20 is an irrelevant format and on that very day, it can be anyone's game.

    It is such a funny game that one man can single-handedly change the course of the game and it only takes a couple of overs of dominance of any side to turn the game. There is no great deal in being the best T20 side in the world, whoever it be at any point. What matters is your tests and ODIs performance and if you are great in that, then T20s is just like a bonus.

    That's all its about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    T20 is an irrelevant format and on that very day, it can be anyone's game.

    It is such a funny game that one man can single-handedly change the course of the game and it only takes a couple of overs of dominance of any side to turn the game. There is no great deal in being the best T20 side in the world, whoever it be at any point. What matters is your tests and ODIs performance and if you are great in that, then T20s is just like a bonus.

    That's all its about.
    Yup. A fluke format that perfectly suits leagues not international teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    People are talking about India missing players as if NZ were playing full stenght!
    India were missing 2 players where NZ where missing Guptill and all their pace attack: Boult, Henry, Milne.
    India were missing world n. O 1 batsman and world n. O 1 bowler. Plus chahal and Mohammad shami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Donít offer me condolences. This wasnít Indianís full team.

    You and I both know that if India and Pakistan face-off in a T20 series, it will be a repeat of the Asia Cup. Kohli alone will beat us multiple times like he has in T20s in the past.

    India is miles ahead of Pakistan in all formats and if you cannot make peace with it, itís your problem.
    Your opinions are very unbiased and thoughtful.

    its a shame that people are still asking the Indian team to prove themselves

    its not the best team - it has weaknesses. but its not lost 3-0 in tests to west indies in west indies , has been consustently competitive since Bumrahs arrival and Ishants revival . Shami pandya unmesh and newbies like siraj, krishna, avesh await wings . bhuvi is a bankable bowler and twe finger and wrist spin twins are truly world class

    people who are following indian cricket remember the days mongia used to open - now dhoni pant karthick kissan and bharat besides injured bengal keeper are all available to play and to be honest all are competent and replaceable with each other

    indian weakness of middle order in odi has beenthere since two years - finally shankar , jadhav and rayudu are there and that might be the solution .

    pandya brothers , jadeja , pant , jadhav provide valuable powerhitting now .

    lot has changed since ct which pak won - india realized it needs wrists spinner in odi .

    in tests with agarwal and shaw we are good !

    last riddles are rahul and gill - both are world class . rahul once back in form will be back into odi team


    I would recommend your criticisers to read the scoreboard of the roi vs vidharbha match . there are some batsmen like panchal which are good enuf for most test nations but might never end up playing for india now - its ridiculous competition for all slots - 6 keepers , 10 fast bowlers , 5-6 quality spinners , 4 - 6 quality openers (ranji cricket has got some v good openers - punjab and tamil nadu )

    the only spot india lacks is good pace allrounders - pandya krishna and maybe mavi might get the job done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akki malhotra View Post
    India were missing world n. O 1 batsman and world n. O 1 bowler. Plus chahal and Mohammad shami.
    Babar has not shawn any intention whatsoever to play for India as far I know.
    Ranking aside, Kohli is still far far away from being the best T20 batsmen in the world. He doesn't have the extra gear and is too slow to be even considered the best in this format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Babar has not shawn any intention whatsoever to play for India as far I know.
    Ranking aside, Kohli is still far far away from being the best T20 batsmen in the world. He doesn't have the extra gear and is too slow to be even considered the best in this format.
    Yea, sure


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Babar has not shawn any intention whatsoever to play for India as far I know.
    So first you say Babar is the best T20 batman in the world. What's his SR in the T20 format? 127.78

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir
    Ranking aside, Kohli is still far far away from being the best T20 batsmen in the world. He doesn't have the extra gear and is too slow to be even considered the best in this format.
    So what exactly is Kohli's SR in the T20 format? It's 136.11

    Anyone else wants to laugh with me?


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Lolol

    Btw i have zero problems with Indians replying to threads in thousands or loving t20s. They can do what they like but for once be honest and truthful to themselves.

    Recently i have seen some ridiculous posts that Indians dont care and dont give a jack about international T20s while only T20s that matter to them is IPL (despite having an experienced side with almost 200 matches experience playing the series). Some even said winning international t20s doesnt matter lmao. They are helped by some lotas and chamchaas from Pakistanis side who are either self-haters or are here just to troll.

    Even on twitter the top 2 Indian trends are: #INDvsNZt20 and #NZvIndT20. If 'nobody cares' then how are they getting this all traffic?
    It is quite annoying when Pakistanis are called out on celebrating their t20 victories.I mean sure a test or an ODI win would be greatly cherished too but its alright to equally celebrate t20 wins and care about that format.

    It's cricket after all and we as fans invest our time and emotions and have every right to celebrate every victory and every fan cares about the victory of their respective team,whatever the format and those who deny are just kidding themselves.
    Sure you can have an individual preference for a particular format but it is hard to belive that a whole cricketing nation has absolutely no interest in 20 overs nor any value for its performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Yea, sure
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    So first you say Babar is the best T20 batman in the world. What's his SR in the T20 format? 127.78



    So what exactly is Kohli's SR in the T20 format? It's 136.11

    Anyone else wants to laugh with me?
    Why you needed two posts to awnser this?

    First it was a joke with Babar, as, at least he is number one in the rankings. But otherwise, no way Babar is the best T20 batsman in the world. I am not biased, like most posters here, especially indian posters. Kohli surely lacks the acceleration and the ability to play quickly enough in this format, just like Babar.

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    Na ishq na pyar mein, joh mazza india ki harr mein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    India were without Kohli, Bumrah and K. Yadav (played 1 match only). These are not just regular good players. They are the best in the world at what they do.

    A full-strength India are the best T20 side at the moment and will hammer Pakistan. End of story.
    First of all I talked about the last Match they played which was the 3rd T20 k Yadav played that match , Bumrah is overrated and Kohli is great no one will argue that but missing one star player should make an amazing amount of a difference if your the so called number one team , see the key word Team. Also I didn't mention anything about Pakistan vs India I just said that calling this an India C team or not full strength is just being stubborn .
    End of story good day to you sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    First of all I talked about the last Match they played which was the 3rd T20 k Yadav played that match , Bumrah is overrated and Kohli is great no one will argue that but missing one star player should make an amazing amount of a difference if your the so called number one team , see the key word Team. Also I didn't mention anything about Pakistan vs India I just said that calling this an India C team or not full strength is just being stubborn .
    End of story good day to you sir
    Bumrah is overrated. That's a weird statement and tells me you don't watch cricket much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Bumrah is overrated. That's a weird statement and tells me you don't watch cricket much.
    Apparently these guys who are hell bent on trying to prove that India is fielding their best possible in T20 have extremely limited knowledge on India's selection strategies for T20.

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    We have been the better cricketing nation in all three formats.
    Stats tell u the story.

    We see so many Idians flying here because India have been dominant in last few years.
    But that is how it goes, times do change.

    Indian fans have endured a lot in the past they deserve better times. I beg posters to not argue with them too much because success has made them arrogant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Oh dayum, condolences @Mamoon - best t20I team lost to NZ which Pakistan beat.
    And in another news, Pakistan lost to a joke SA team which India and Sri Lanka ( yes Sri Lanka for heavens sake) beat.


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    We don't care about these meaningless bilateral T20s.

    We only care about IPL that will start in a couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    We have been the better cricketing nation in all three formats.
    Stats tell u the story.

    We see so many Idians flying here because India have been dominant in last few years.
    But that is how it goes, times do change.

    Indian fans have endured a lot in the past they deserve better times. I beg posters to not argue with them too much because success has made them arrogant
    You seem to have a weird fixation with somehow having an ownership interest on these forums. I'm pretty sure you didn't create these forums, have no say in its administration and joined well after a noob like myself. I saw your post the other day about something along the lines of "Indians comes to a Pakistani website and get uppity" [not the exact quote], and here, you're suggesting that Indians post here because Indian cricket team's been successful, despite many who've been here for a while.

    There's prime hypocrisy in your post by the way. You speak of arrogance in Indian posters, and yet, here you are, with your grandeur complex, telling everyone, mockingly, to let Indian posters claims the fruits of recent wins, because they "have endured a lot in the past they deserve better times."

    Whose being arrogant here?

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    The mighty streak ends... lol


    Waiting for the day when there will be no p....i player in a green shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    Pak test record
    423 matches 136wins 128 defeats
    Win percentage 32.15

    India test record
    532 matches 150 wins 164 defeats
    Win percentage 28.19

    Talk about better test playing nation and the format most teams taken seriously??

    Want to bring out head to head record India vs Pak??
    And how is that relevant? Does this change the fact that barely anyone except Pakistan takes the T20 format seriously?

    Indians rest all their best players for these meaningless T20s and are still comfortably ranked #2 in the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSensible View Post
    You seem to have a weird fixation with somehow having an ownership interest on these forums. I'm pretty sure you didn't create these forums, have no say in its administration and joined well after a noob like myself. I saw your post the other day about something along the lines of "Indians comes to a Pakistani website and get uppity" [not the exact quote], and here, you're suggesting that Indians post here because Indian cricket team's been successful, despite many who've been here for a while.

    There's prime hypocrisy in your post by the way. You speak of arrogance in Indian posters, and yet, here you are, with your grandeur complex, telling everyone, mockingly, to let Indian posters claims the fruits of recent wins, because they "have endured a lot in the past they deserve better times."

    Whose being arrogant here?
    Ok i apologise

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    And how is that relevant? Does this change the fact that barely anyone except Pakistan takes the T20 format seriously?

    Indians rest all their best players for these meaningless T20s and are still comfortably ranked #2 in the format.
    No one cares about the T20 including fans.
    But still every Indian fan here has mentioned they rest key players and Rank no. 2 in the format.
    Why even bother about the ranking and discuss this gilli danda format??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSensible View Post
    You seem to have a weird fixation with somehow having an ownership interest on these forums. I'm pretty sure you didn't create these forums, have no say in its administration and joined well after a noob like myself. I saw your post the other day about something along the lines of "Indians comes to a Pakistani website and get uppity" [not the exact quote], and here, you're suggesting that Indians post here because Indian cricket team's been successful, despite many who've been here for a while.

    There's prime hypocrisy in your post by the way. You speak of arrogance in Indian posters, and yet, here you are, with your grandeur complex, telling everyone, mockingly, to let Indian posters claims the fruits of recent wins, because they "have endured a lot in the past they deserve better times."

    Whose being arrogant here?
    Ive never said what uve claimed initially on your post.
    Uve got to read some of the comments of indian fans here as well, to which my post was a reaction.
    I still feel i over-reacted and i apologose if anyone of my beloved neighbors felt offended

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akki malhotra View Post
    India were missing world n. O 1 batsman and world n. O 1 bowler. Plus chahal and Mohammad shami.
    Didnít know that Babar Azam and Rashid Khan had become Indian nationals 🤔


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