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    [PICTURES/VIDEO] Ross Taylor tells umpires that Mohammad Hafeez is chucking

    Ridiculous from Ross Taylor.

    He couldn't play a delivery bowled by Hafeez.

    And he straight away started gesturing to the umpires about his bowling action.

    What is this? Gali mohalla street cricket?!?! How can a professional cricketer do this?

    Shameful.

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    [PICTURES] Ross Taylor tells umpires that Mohammad Hafeez is chucking

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    For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAli98 View Post
    For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
    Lol, what? Did you even see what Ross was doing?

    It was not less than crying. Was clearly pointing to his action.

    Captain did not play dumb this time, good that he talked to the umpires.

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    Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

    I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

    But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.

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    Kiwis are minnows. Taylor is just bitter such a long career without a trophy or being in the top 3 in the test rankings.

    When we win this series they will cry even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

    I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

    But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

    I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

    But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
    Finally you are supporting Pakistan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Finally you are supporting Pakistan
    Have always supported.

    Just give way more weightage to Test and ODI wins.

    They matter.

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    He's not wrong. Hafeez action has changed since Ross Taylor said it. Both umpires are Pakistani and even third umpire is a Pakistani so I don't blame him for taking matters into his own hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

    I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

    But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
    Did you lose respect after Ross Taylor allowed Hafeez to bowl with a tape on his bowling hand?

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    A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

    Disgraceful.

    Promote honest and hard cricket.

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    I am not sold on Hafeez's new action, but Taylor has no business getting involved. It's for the umpires and match referee to decide whether they want to report him or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    I am not sold on Hafeez's new action, but Taylor has no business getting involved. It's for the umpires and match referee to decide whether they want to report him or not.
    But what if the umpires are biased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Did you lose respect after Ross Taylor allowed Hafeez to bowl with a tape on his bowling hand?
    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

    Disgraceful.

    Promote honest and hard cricket.
    It's honest and hard cricket.

    If Hafeez is reported and proven to be chucking, he should be called a thrower. Fact is, his new action hasn't been called or proven anything.

    Taylor cannot question bowlers like this because he couldn't play a bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Chopra View Post
    He's not wrong. Hafeez action has changed since Ross Taylor said it. Both umpires are Pakistani and even third umpire is a Pakistani so I don't blame him for taking matters into his own hands.
    Does Nigel Long sound like a Pakistani name?

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    any video of this?

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    Is he actually chucking?

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    I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

    The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

    Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

    Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

    In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

    the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place


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    Taylor just gestured once again, this time mocking Hafeez by gesturing with a straight arm. Disgraceful behaviour by him.

    For what its worth, Hafeez's action looks okay right now.

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    What is the process nowadays? Do umpires call out the bowler and stop him or they only report after the match?

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    I don't know what some of you are on about. This action seems within the 15 degree straightening rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Does Nigel Long sound like a Pakistani name?
    And joel wilson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Chopra View Post
    He's not wrong. Hafeez action has changed since Ross Taylor said it. Both umpires are Pakistani and even third umpire is a Pakistani so I don't blame him for taking matters into his own hands.
    Yeah he's tossing it up now at slow pace now. Did that every time he was called in the past as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

    The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

    Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

    Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

    In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

    the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
    I agree 100% what type of law is this that a repeated offendor keeps on coming back again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Yeah he's tossing it up now at slow pace now. Did that every time he was called in the past as well.
    Can you can provide proof of chucking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAli98 View Post
    For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
    Have you even watched the Match? To know What this Thread is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Can you can provide proof of chucking?
    No i can't. But we'll see soon enough i guess


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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

    The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

    Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

    Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

    In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

    the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
    Exactly. Some blind hatred going on by some posters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

    The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

    Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

    Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

    In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

    the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
    He undergoes test and clears it so I don't see what the issue is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Does Nigel Long sound like a Pakistani name?
    Sarfraz is a genius. He is bowling from the end where the Pakistani umpire is on the crease

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    He undergoes test and clears it so I don't see what the issue is.
    because he has been repeatedly banned, on both previous occasions he has chucked blatantly in domestic cricket to force his way back, and then again internationally when he needs to justify his spot, the change in his action was noticable after taylor pointed it out

    again ill repeat again, this is primarly the ICC's fault for bot banning him for longer or outright, there has be a 3 strikes or out rule or something to that affect. Otherwise its a farce


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    tbh watching the t20's i did question the legitimacy of his bowling, does look like some deliveries are "thrown" will be a big loss especially since the form he has been in.

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    No its not Ross’ Taylor his job to check whether Hafeez his action is clean, but he does have a point. Hafeez does Chuck from time to time it easy to see. When Taylor suggested he was chucking, he started bowling with a straight elbow again. On the replay that was shown, it was clear was chucking.

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    I honestly think Hafeez should have been banned permanently. He was banned for chucking, clears up his action and becomes ineffective, goes back to chucking and becomes effective once more and then gets banned again.

    But that's the ICC's fault and the match referee is there to deal with it it. Taylor is out of line here and should be put in place.

    As long as Hafeez is allowed to bowl Pakistan will take advantage of it. Report him to the match referee and ICC if you have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Exactly. Some blind hatred going on by some posters here.
    Seems like some people here still can't forget the phainta he gave to us which destroyed the careers of Razzaq and Akhtar effectively

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    I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here
    @pakistanigoneaussie why don't YOU have some perspective here?

    Are you even watching the match? No you aren't.

    Hafeez isn't chucking at all in this match. And the ball where Taylor complained was 100% legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    because he has been repeatedly banned, on both previous occasions he has chucked blatantly in domestic cricket to force his way back, and then again internationally when he needs to justify his spot, the change in his action was noticable after taylor pointed it out

    again ill repeat again, this is primarly the ICC's fault for bot banning him for longer or outright, there has be a 3 strikes or out rule or something to that affect. Otherwise its a farce
    Yep. He should have been banned permanently. But Taylor is out of line here. Though NZ demanding Hafeez to be reported and tested again will be entirely justified

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    No matter the perspectives, Taylor needs to let the umpires do their job. Extremely poor behavior, from a respected professional.

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    If Hafeez get reported after the match thts mean Ross Taylor will single handedly end Hafeez career
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    @pakistanigoneaussie why don't YOU have some perspective here?

    Are you even watching the match? No you aren't.

    Hafeez isn't chucking at all in this match. And the ball where Taylor complained was 100% legal.
    I am watching, and beyond my eyes ( which i admit is a bad way to judge this things) history is on my side, not just professors bowling history but taylors as well.

    This isnt the primary reason im so annoyed here, but in life when accusations are made you look at the credibility of the accuser, and this is someone who in more than a decade of cricket i have barely seen emotion out of, seems like a choir boy.

    Again professors history matters more, and the people most at fault here is the ICC


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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    I am watching, and beyond my eyes ( which i admit is a bad way to judge this things) history is on my side, not just professors bowling history but taylors as well.

    This isnt the primary reason im so annoyed here, but in life when accusations are made you look at the credibility of the accuser, and this is someone who in more than a decade of cricket i have barely seen emotion out of, seems like a choir boy.

    Again professors history matters more, and the people most at fault here is the ICC
    It isn't Taylor's place to question the action here.

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    Not sure what the problem is. Hafeez is known to be a chucker which is blatant cheating. The other team is affected by his cheating so they will report it to the umpire. What has Taylor done wrong?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    It isn't Taylor's place to question the action here.
    bit hard to say that when you have serial offender bowling to you


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    Honestly speaking, I am not sure whether Moha is chucking or not, but do you blame Taylor or anyone for acting like that as Hafeez has chucked all his life and have been called for chucking again and again.

    It also could be a plan of Kiwis to expose him in this game as they must have checked the videos and found him chucking in the last few games.

    As a Pakistani, I am ashamed to know that our bowlers chuck and other countries call us cheaters.

    ICC is a joke too as they should have banned him for life and should have never allowed to come back as a bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
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    A slow-mo would be nice, but those two deliveries look completely fine and legal, so I don't know why he is complaining.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Honestly speaking, I am not sure whether Moha is chucking or not, but do you blame Taylor or anyone for acting like that as Hafeez has chucked all his life and have been called for chucking again and again.

    It also could be a plan of Kiwis to expose him in this game as they must have checked the videos and found him chucking in the last few games.

    As a Pakistani, I am ashamed to know that our bowlers chuck and other countries call us cheaters.

    ICC is a joke too as they should have banned him for life and should have never allowed to come back as a bowler.
    yes I do blame him. Its not his job and should be seen as unsporting behaviour. Its a disgrace and Im sick of these western teams thinking they are the judge jury and executioner. It is blatant racism.

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    What wrong did Taylor do? It's obvious he will talk to the umpires if he genuinely believes a bowler is bowling illegal deliveries thereby gaining an unfair advantage over the Kiwi batsmen. And he was concerned about the action of a regular offender, not someone who has never been caught chucking. He didn't throw a tantrum, did he? Any player in Taylor's place would have done what he did. And anyone not doing so would be an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    bit hard to say that when you have serial offender bowling to you
    Hafeez was not chucking. Everything else is just irrelevant here.

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    Good leadership by Sarfraz. He rightly went to the umpire.

    Whether Hafeez is chucking or not, a player should report it to the match referee, not gesture towards the umpire.

    Also, there are other stake holders who are keeping an eye on the bowler.

    The behavior by Ross Taylor was unethical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    A slow-mo would be nice, but those two deliveries look completely fine and legal, so I don't know why he is complaining.
    pre-meditated - and planned by Kiwis to put Hafeez off. If anything this should be investigated


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    I am not watching the game so cant comment if Hafeez is chucking, but its umpires call. Ross Taylor has no business to question someone.

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    When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
    I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    bit hard to say that when you have serial offender bowling to you
    That may be but this is not gali mhoalay cricket that you start crying about a bowler chucking if you are unable to score of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    yes I do blame him. Its not his job and should be seen as unsporting behaviour. Its a disgrace and Im sick of these western teams thinking they are the judge jury and executioner. It is blatant racism.

    Khan sahib, racism is a strong charge to go to and not always easy to prove. You know that players talk to umpire about playing conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    That may be but this is not gali mhoalay cricket that you start crying about a bowler chucking if you are unable to score of him.

    There’s no law broken by Ross or by Hafeez (yet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    That may be but this is not gali mhoalay cricket that you start crying about a bowler chucking if you are unable to score of him.
    this is not gali mhoalay cricket but Hafeez is a serial chucker and he has been banned again and again and even his action was questionable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
    I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.
    Why is everybody just ignoring the fact that Hafeez was not chucking? Lol this was preplanned by Kiwis it seems.

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    What's the big fuss? Hafeez is a compulsive chucker, he got banned twice for chucking. He has most likely started chucking again, why is it wrong for Taylor to point out? Umpires do not always notice things. Kohli pointed out Smith's brainfade. Illegal stuff should always be pointed out. Hafeez is lucky to be bowling in international cricket with his past record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

    I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

    But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
    The odds are he probably is chucking.. Hafeez has already been twice and it's difficult to remodel your action and not go back to it, especially if you're struggling.
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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahdi View Post
    I honestly think Hafeez should have been banned permanently. He was banned for chucking, clears up his action and becomes ineffective, goes back to chucking and becomes effective once more and then gets banned again.

    But that's the ICC's fault and the match referee is there to deal with it it. Taylor is out of line here and should be put in place.

    As long as Hafeez is allowed to bowl Pakistan will take advantage of it. Report him to the match referee and ICC if you have a problem.
    This and it's going to be a problem because next thing you know he'll be banned or he'll stick to his ineffective clean action.

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    Now series will come alive, both teams should be fired up after this.

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    What Ross Taylor did may not have been in the spirit of the game however lets not pretend Hafeez doesn't chuck whenever his clean action is rendered useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Now series will come alive, both teams should be fired up after this.
    They are already fired up. This match is swinging wildly back and forth

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    Watson did it to Ajmal in 2009. Ajmal got reported by the umpires. Ajmal had the guts to criticize Watson in an interview. What does the brown nosing spineless PCB do? Fine Ajmal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
    I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.
    That is the difference between professional cricket and street cricket. As a professional you suck it up and let umpires do their job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Why is everybody just ignoring the fact that Hafeez was not chucking? Lol this was preplanned by Kiwis it seems.
    The fact that he is not chucking doesn’t necessarily mean a player can’t go focus the umpire even if to peddle falsehood. Like when a batsmen points out to the umpire that a ball looks too scuffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Watson did it to Ajmal in 2009. Ajmal got reported by the umpires. Ajmal had the guts to criticize Watson in an interview. What does the brown nosing spineless PCB do? Fine Ajmal
    Then Ajmal got banned. Cheaters should always be reported.

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    Here’s my take on all off spinners: if they bowl a delivery that either spins the other way or even drifts away the chances are high they are chucking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Master View Post
    That is the difference between professional cricket and street cricket. As a professional you suck it up and let umpires do their job.
    There is no law in cricket that requires you to do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    There is no law in cricket that requires you to do this
    Hafeez also clears the test and as long as he does that he can come in and bowl. No law against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    The fact that he is not chucking doesn’t necessarily mean a player can’t go focus the umpire even if to peddle falsehood. Like when a batsmen points out to the umpire that a ball looks too scuffed.
    You are basically accusing a player of cheating. It cannot be justified. This isnt street cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    The odds are he probably is chucking.. Hafeez has already been twice and it's difficult to remodel your action and not go back to it, especially if you're struggling.
    "PROBABLY"?

    Except, the fact is, he wasn't chucking. Taylor's action is highly unprofessional, it's not street cricket. He should be fined and probably banned too for a match or two.

    Even if Hafeez WAS chucking, no player can start doing tantrums on the field.

    Also, watch the video in http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...66#post9977966

    Perfectly fine.

    NZ should be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Then Ajmal got banned. Cheaters should always be reported.
    He was cleared in 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

    Disgraceful.

    Promote honest and hard cricket.
    Hey when was Bhajan called? And when are they calling Ashwin?



    lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Here’s my take on all off spinners: if they bowl a delivery that either spins the other way or even drifts away the chances are high they are chucking
    Lol no.

    I'm against chucking. Probably the strictest. Ajmal was a thrower I agree.

    But Hafeez cleared his action, bowling with his new action that's perfectly fine. Watch the video above.

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    I always find it funny when they say "He is cleared" lol It is not like they do some operation to make him bowl the right way. How hard it is for someone to go back to his old way? Second time reporting should involve banning. Giving chances after chances will only encourage them to do when there is a desperate situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    I always find it funny when they say "He is cleared" lol It is not like they do some operation to make him bowl the right way. How hard it is for someone to go back to his old way? Second time reporting should involve banning. Giving chances after chances will only encourage them to do when there is a desperate situation.
    Bhai wo to clear hai... otoh some won't even get reported... ever...

    So what is worse? I guess it depends on color of shirt you wearing


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