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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansoor3120 View Post
    I salute you sir , you are just awesome
    you always till us the truth about this minnows team.

    seriously mamoon till me
    How these should be improved??
    Nothing is going to happen. We are finished as a cricketing nation - the game has bypassed us.

    We are the new West Indies, and Sri Lanka is heading the same way as well. It is time for our fans to accept and acknowledge our mediocrity. Their hopes are too high for a minnow nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Perfect opportunity for Imam to hit yet another inconsequential 50(80) and say hey atleast I tried.
    That's also Malik's role.

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    Hafeez is replacing Asif but how come he isnt playing the same role as Asif and that is coming at 4 down and smacking it. With Malik, Hafeez and Sarfaraz the middle order is really vulnerable and that with inexperienced top 3 isnt gonna do any good. Its easy to say for us but who should be dropped to accomodate Haris, its a tough call considering the form of hafeez and malik's last two years. But, obviously some tough calls are to be made.

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    Australia and us are same position right now in World Cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I see the "fans" are out doing bhangra... they had their tongues gagged for a while. Finally getting a release.
    So if you're on cloud nine and run around happily, if someone calls you out for what was actually happening and they're bad?

    No Pakistani fan is happy that we are 3 down, but people thought the T20 result would segue into ODIs. Not saying we can't come back and do better, but a pretty poor start.

    Babar I'll give him a pass, he usually performs, obviously issue is with SR but his wicket is valuable.

    The other two, Fakhar is quickly looking found out since the CT and Hafeez does as he always does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Boult is levels above any bowler we have.
    He's one of the, if not the best, bowlers in the world. Naturally he's better than anyone else in NZ.


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    Bowl an outswinger now.


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    Kuch log Haris to yun bol rahe hain jaise wo aty hi 150 score kr jata.

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    We can still win this.

    Get 80 by 20 over mark, 120 x 30, 180 x 40.

    Just need a few partnerships and maintain wickets.

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    Is Boult a better all-rounder bowler than Starc? I would say so.

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    13 . 3

    5 overs

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    For this fragile line up we can’t afford fakhar anymore
    We need a solid opener


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan Bluestone View Post
    So if you're on cloud nine and run around happily, if someone calls you out for what was actually happening and they're bad?

    No Pakistani fan is happy that we are 3 down, but people thought the T20 result would segue into ODIs. Not saying we can't come back and do better, but a pretty poor start.

    Babar I'll give him a pass, he usually performs, obviously issue is with SR but his wicket is valuable.

    The other two, Fakhar is quickly looking found out since the CT and Hafeez does as he always does.
    Some are beyond joy. Having a laugh out of your team's poor performance is definition of low. They then call themselves "fans". Low class individuals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Is Boult a better all-rounder bowler than Starc? I would say so.
    Starc when he gets hot is unstoppable. I'd take him in LOIs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Boult is levels above any bowler we have.
    Not only NZ have, but also many top Cricketing nations. He's right up there in the list of ODI greats of World Cricket. Too bad that NZ plays very less cricket these days!

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    Pakistan playing almost same team as 20 20 , that is the main problem.

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    Haris would have also gone for duck . He isn’t ODI player and weak mentality


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    Kiwis probably kept Boult out of T20 deliberately. The way he is swinging brand new ball, could have troubled PAK top order in his 4 overs at one go.

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    These two probably waiting for spinners before they even think about scoring any runs. Garbage batting lineup.


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    We need to arrange another series against Zimbabwe C to pad our stats.

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    Hafeez is not a no 4 in ODIs unless we are already into the 35th over. Good for late order smashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nothing is going to happen. We are finished as a cricketing nation - the game has bypassed us.

    We are the new West Indies, and Sri Lanka is heading the same way as well. It is time for our fans to accept and acknowledge our mediocrity. Their hopes are too high for a minnow nation.
    Should stick to T20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nothing is going to happen. We are finished as a cricketing nation - the game has bypassed us.

    We are the new West Indies, and Sri Lanka is heading the same way as well. It is time for our fans to accept and acknowledge our mediocrity. Their hopes are too high for a minnow nation.
    Do you think Pakistan is using whatever resources they have in the form of available players to the optimal level in ODIs?

    I think more than the talent and player pool its the strategy, mindset and selection which needs to be sorted out in the ODI format.

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    New Zealand need to back him up. Southee is not the bowler he once was, and the Milne hasn’t really developed.

    Not sure why Henry doesn’t get regular games. He always looks impressive but never gets a consistent run.

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    Can we have a partnership of 200.


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    Malik

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    Babar has been disappointment since Asia cup


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Kiwis probably kept Boult out of T20 deliberately. The way he is swinging brand new ball, could have troubled PAK top order in his 4 overs at one go.
    I thought he was just rested for the ODIs and Tests.


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    Yeah Boult deliberately and by design had a child right during the time of the T20 series so that he wouldn't have to play


    #experts


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asif321 View Post
    Haris would have also gone for duck . He isn’t ODI player and weak mentality
    He scored back to back half centuries in NZ against NZ.

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    Even if Pakistan win , they need to make changes.

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    If Boult was playing in the T20 series, things could have ended very differently for Pakistan.

    Reason why we're no.1. is because we always play with our best side against understrength teams in those meaningless T20I bilaterals. Truth is we are a poor team in all formats because the batting is simply sub standard.

    Australia team was without Warner, Smith, Starc and Cummins. NZ's team was without among 2 of their best players in Boult and Guptill. These 2 sides would thrash us in a WT20 tournament.

    About time we learn we're just a medicore team with a very mediocre batting line up.

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    Some are calling Boult 2nd best after Wasim... I mean seriously?? I love Boult he is a great bowler but 2nd best after wasim seriously???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Is Boult a better all-rounder bowler than Starc? I would say so.
    No question about it.

    Starc is a bit overrated. Though decent on pitches with excellent bounce.

    Not that good elsewhere.

    Boult is swinging the ball where no other fast bowler has managed to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    New Zealand need to back him up. Southee is not the bowler he once was, and the Milne hasn’t really developed.

    Not sure why Henry doesn’t get regular games. He always looks impressive but never gets a consistent run.
    Southee is a senior player and Henry isn't seen as a good third bowling option. Milne and Lockie are preferred for the role because of their pace which brings something different to the attack.


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    I would be happy as long as we make 140. At least that would be more than half of the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yeah Boult deliberately and by design had a child right during the time of the T20 series so that he wouldn't have to play


    #experts
    I didn't know, I assumed he was rested so he could play the ODIs and Tests.


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    Hope Imam gets a big score here, even if we lose. Will do a lot for his confidence after coming back from injury. Malik would also do well hitting a 50 here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Boult was playing in the T20 series, things could have ended very differently for Pakistan.

    Reason why we're no.1. is because we always play with our best side against understrength teams in those meaningless T20I bilaterals. Truth is we are a poor team in all formats because the batting is simply sub standard.

    Australia team was without Warner, Smith, Starc and Cummins. NZ's team was without among 2 of their best players in Boult and Guptill. These 2 sides would thrash us in a WT20 tournament.

    About time we learn we're just a medicore team with a very mediocre batting line up.
    But but PP expert @babajee told us Boult is rubbish . Where you at champ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Some are calling Boult 2nd best after Wasim... I mean seriously?? I love Boult he is a great bowler but 2nd best after wasim seriously???
    okay, name another left arm fast bowler who's better than boult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    He scored back to back half centuries in NZ against NZ.
    Fakhar scored match winning knocks in CT


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    I am told by posters to support Sarfraz. Our captain is hiding at 6. Why not come out and lead from the front ?

    Why should we back a captain who doesn't lead from the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Do you think Pakistan is using whatever resources they have in the form of available players to the optimal level in ODIs?

    I think more than the talent and player pool its the strategy, mindset and selection which needs to be sorted out in the ODI format.
    Let me put it this way. There is no playing XI/combination in the country that can beat the top teams in ODIs unless the said teams have off-days.

    We can do better with the selection, but the truth is that the quality is not there. Look at Haris - he is hyped up and he indeed should be in the XI, but the fact is that he is never going to score a 130* in this situation to take the team home.

    He might have down slightly better and that would have made our fans happy, but the end result is the same. There is no genuine world class/elite player in the country today. Not a single one, especially in the shorter formats.

    Same is true for T20Is as well. This drama of being the number one in the world will end soon - it is only a matter of playing a series (not a one-off game) against the likes of England and India, who are clearly superior.

    In fact, New Zealand could have won the series had they played Boult. His new ball spell could have been decisive, but then again, only minnows play their A list players all the time in T20Is.
    Last edited by Mamoon; 7th November 2018 at 21:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Boult was playing in the T20 series, things could have ended very differently for Pakistan.

    Reason why we're no.1. is because we always play with our best side against understrength teams in those meaningless T20I bilaterals. Truth is we are a poor team in all formats because the batting is simply sub standard.

    Australia team was without Warner, Smith, Starc and Cummins. NZ's team was without among 2 of their best players in Boult and Guptill. These 2 sides would thrash us in a WT20 tournament.

    About time we learn we're just a medicore team with a very mediocre batting line up.
    Starc, Smith and Cummins aren't good in T20s. We were missing Amir, the world's best T20 bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Some are calling Boult 2nd best after Wasim... I mean seriously?? I love Boult he is a great bowler but 2nd best after wasim seriously???
    Who's better? Zaheer Khan? Ashish Nehra?


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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Boult was playing in the T20 series, things could have ended very differently for Pakistan.

    Reason why we're no.1. is because we always play with our best side against understrength teams in those meaningless T20I bilaterals. Truth is we are a poor team in all formats because the batting is simply sub standard.

    Australia team was without Warner, Smith, Starc and Cummins. NZ's team was without among 2 of their best players in Boult and Guptill. These 2 sides would thrash us in a WT20 tournament.

    About time we learn we're just a medicore team with a very mediocre batting line up.
    Enough of the nagging... We beat the teams in T20 fair and square noone asked not to play their top teams.. Could have, should have... can be put to rest now. We beat them hands down now

    We struggle in ODIs that's a reality too

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    Kiwis got at least 25 more than critical number, therefore they are going all-out for wickets. This is one area I don't like in PAK's ODI team - never try to put pressure on new batsman and allows a partnership to build, which sometime works while defending total, but batting first most teams will put a partnership & take the game out of reach in last few overs.

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    Malik 14(15)
    Imam 6(16)



    Guess which one is hailed by PP'ers as the best thing since sliced bread


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Hope Imam gets a big score here, even if we lose. Will do a lot for his confidence after coming back from injury. Malik would also do well hitting a 50 here.
    Imam plays for confidence always


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    We got this. In fact if Pakistan doesn't win this I won't post in the Cricket forum till 2020 T20 WC.

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    We can still take this match deep. Malik is looking in good nick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If Boult was playing in the T20 series, things could have ended very differently for Pakistan.

    Reason why we're no.1. is because we always play with our best side against understrength teams in those meaningless T20I bilaterals. Truth is we are a poor team in all formats because the batting is simply sub standard.

    Australia team was without Warner, Smith, Starc and Cummins. NZ's team was without among 2 of their best players in Boult and Guptill. These 2 sides would thrash us in a WT20 tournament.

    About time we learn we're just a medicore team with a very mediocre batting line up.
    I guess he played when Pak won T20 series in NZ

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    Shobby is the main obstacle for NZ. He can easily take this away with a match winning knock. Class act!


    'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Malik 14(15)
    Imam 6(16)



    Guess which one is hailed by PP'ers as the best thing since sliced bread
    Situation ko bhi tou dekho.

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    Good pace , 91 mph.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    Situation ko bhi tou dekho.
    Well Malik is the one that came in when the situation was 3 down. Sooooooooo kinda doesn't make sense for Imam to be tuk tuking while the other bat is playing freely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I am told by posters to support Sarfraz. Our captain is hiding at 6. Why not come out and lead from the front ?

    Why should we back a captain who doesn't lead from the front?
    He is the wicket-keeper. Most of them don't bat in the top 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I am told by posters to support Sarfraz. Our captain is hiding at 6. Why not come out and lead from the front ?

    Why should we back a captain who doesn't lead from the front?
    Going by that he should be opening
    Stupid logic


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    Expensive over so far


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    Wow, what a shot by Imam for two.


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    Haris is the only batsman to have scored two fifties against nonminnows in ODIs in 2018 for Pakistan.

    Those two fifties came in two matches vs NZ when our top order was blown away time and again - yet we have benched him. Bravo !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Some are calling Boult 2nd best after Wasim... I mean seriously?? I love Boult he is a great bowler but 2nd best after wasim seriously???
    Why not he has one of the best stats and unlike wasim he is playing in an era where everything is batting friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Is Boult a better all-rounder bowler than Starc? I would say so.
    Defintley is imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Third Man View Post
    okay, name another left arm fast bowler who's better than boult.
    First of all there is a day light between Wasim and other left arm pacers... Chaminda and Zaheer were great.. Yea Boult if continue can take their place... We fans just base our opinion on current games and forget what happened in past.

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    Imam is our best batter at the moment.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Wow, what a shot by Imam for two.
    Bilal bhai thora zayda nahi hogaya


    We get it you support him because of "reasons" but come on


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Nothing is going to happen. We are finished as a cricketing nation - the game has bypassed us.

    We are the new West Indies, and Sri Lanka is heading the same way as well. It is time for our fans to accept and acknowledge our mediocrity. Their hopes are too high for a minnow nation.
    aunty jee please go away. Where were you during the t20 and test series? idhar aa jatay ho bakwaas kurnay!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Malik 14(15)
    Imam 6(16)



    Guess which one is hailed by PP'ers as the best thing since sliced bread
    Which one is the opener and has faced Boult since the start of the innings. Come on, Syed bhai.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Starc when he gets hot is unstoppable. I'd take him in LOIs.
    Apart from that one Test series in SL, Starc hasn't really been as much of a force he's in LOI's. Boult is brilliant in all 3 formats.
    I remember when he debuted back in 2011, his pace used to be around late 120 and early 130s, now he's cranking up to 140ks.

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    Imam is too slow a player should play test cricket only . Puts pressure on other players
    We need a solid player who can rotate strike


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Well Malik is the one that came in when the situation was 3 down. Sooooooooo kinda doesn't make sense for Imam to be tuk tuking while the other bat is playing freely.
    Malik lol..if we have to rely on him for anything we truly are lost!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Haris is the only batsman to have scored two fifties against nonminnows in ODIs in 2018 for Pakistan.

    Those two fifties came in two matches vs NZ when our top order was blown away time and again - yet we have benched him. Bravo !
    You keep bringing up 2018. Fakhar scored two fifties in the first 3 ODIs which were in December. As for Babar, he had his lone poor series in NZ, in Asia Cup he was average and today he was unlucky. These two might be in poor form but they are the two best in Pakistan, not some overyhyped minnow-bashers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I think, 267 is always going to be tough at Abu Dhabi - for every team against Kiwis full squad.
    This is not a full strength Kiwi squad. Guptill, Anderson and Santner are missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Bilal bhai thora zayda nahi hogaya


    We get it you support him because of "reasons" but come on
    No, that was actually a pretty good shot and not something I expect from Imam. There are no "reasons" beyond him being a promising, good batsman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    But but PP expert @babajee told us Boult is rubbish . Where you at champ ?
    Not for the first time he's had to eat his words.

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    Atleast keep ticking the strike over...


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    Out of all, Fakhar's dismissal boils my blood! What is up with this guy? Missing straight deliveries? Getting out on freebies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    This is not a full strength Kiwi squad. Guptill, Anderson and Santner are missing.
    lol.. everytime some player sits out it becomes weak squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    First of all there is a day light between Wasim and other left arm pacers... Chaminda and Zaheer were great.. Yea Boult if continue can take their place... We fans just base our opinion on current games and forget what happened in past.
    Oh bhai, best “since” Wasim is not the same as “as good as Wasim”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Not for the first time he's had to eat his words.
    Faheem is a better bowler though


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