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    How do you rate Ben Stokes as an all-rounder across formats?

    Ben Stokes is arguably the best all-rounder in the world and his ability to win his team matches with both ball goes beyond statistics. First look into stats: -

    Tests: -

    Matches: - 47

    Runs: - 2800
    100s: - 6
    Bat avg: - 33.72

    Wkt: - 112
    Bowl avg: - 33.45
    5-fers: - 4

    Do you think he will end up as an test ATG?

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    Statistics average but on his day he can dwarf any other all rounder today.

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    Quality test player but mediocre in LOs. He literally lost England that WT20 on own.

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    One of the best ARs in the world but not the best in either format.

    In tests Ashwin is better and in ODIs Shakib Al Hasan is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    One of the best ARs in the world but not the best in either format.

    In tests Ashwin is better and in ODIs Shakib Al Hasan is better.
    Ashwin is not comparable to him as an all-rounder. Their batting stats may not be very different, but there is a big difference in terms of how they are perceived and the aura that they carry.

    Unlike Stokes, Ashwin is not viewed as a genuine threat with the bat or a game changer, and that is because Stokes’ best with the bat is far and beyond Ashwin’s best.

    Their statistics do not reflect the big gap between their batting ability. If Stokes bats for two sessions, he can take the game away from the opposition. Ashwin does not have that sort of influence. He is just a bowler who is competent with the bat.

    As all-rounders, their is no comparison between the two. Stokes does not have much competition in Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Ashwin is not comparable to him as an all-rounder. Their batting stats may not be very different, but there is a big difference in terms of how they are perceived and the aura that they carry.

    Unlike Stokes, Ashwin is not viewed as a genuine threat with the bat or a game changer, and that is because Stokes’ best with the bat is far and beyond Ashwin’s best.

    Their statistics do not reflect the big gap between their batting ability. If Stokes bats for two sessions, he can take the game away from the opposition. Ashwin does not have that sort of influence. He is just a bowler who is competent with the bat.

    As all-rounders, their is no comparison between the two. Stokes does not have much competition in Tests.
    Agreed Mamoon. But the same thing can be said in reverse when it comes to bowling.

    If we look at primary skills of Ashwin (bowling) and Stokes (batting), then in my opinion Ashwin is a far better bowler than Stokes is as a batsman.

    When it comes to their secondary skills, Stokes (bowling) is mostly a threat at home (and equivalent bowling conditions) and Ashwin (batting) is a threat at home and similar conditions. Stokes isn't considered a genuine threat or game changer with the ball on SC pitches just like Ashwin isn't considered a threat with the bat on SENA pitches.

    That's why I said Ashwin is better overall. Because in terms of their primary skill, Ashwin is ahead.
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    Highly Overrated!!!!

    Bowling average of 37 and Batting average of 32 across T20/ODI/Tests. A poster boy of an allrounder that is neither here nor there. You can't rely on him to win you the match with the ball consistently nor with his batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Agreed Mamoon. But the same thing can be said in reverse when it comes to bowling.

    If we look at primary skills of Ashwin (bowling) and Stokes (batting), then in my opinion Ashwin is a far better bowler than Stokes is as a batsman.

    When it comes to their secondary skills, Stokes (bowling) is mostly a threat at home (and equivalent bowling conditions) and Ashwin (batting) is a threat at home and similar conditions. Stokes isn't considered a genuine threat or game changer with the ball on SC pitches just like Ashwin isn't considered a threat with the bat on SENA pitches.

    That's why I said Ashwin is better overall. Because in terms of their primary skill, Ashwin is ahead.
    It is indeed highly debatable if Stokes is a more valuable cricketer than Ashwin, but the latter is not categorised as an all-rounder. He is a specialist spinner who can bat adequately - he is hardly seen or classified by most observers as an all-rounder.

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    Not bad, but Holder is better.

    I could also see Faheem passing Stokes as an all-round player soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Not bad, but Holder is better.

    I could also see Faheem passing Stokes as an all-round player soon.
    What about Hardik Pandya?


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    He should be locked up, beyond that he is mediocre. His honey moon period is over, purely selected on his blue moon performances

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    His stats reflects his performances too. In the current era he is arguably the best fast bowling AR in Tests.

    Faheem has put some decent batting performces in his short test career and is imo better bowler too. So he could overtake stokes soon. Just needs to focus a bit more on his batting

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    He is inconsistent but he is capable of producing match winning knocks with the bat. With the ball he is a threat but it's his batting which is his stronger suit.

    He's a good all rounder but thought he would have taken his game to the next level by now but hasn't. Let's see if he can turn it around in the next couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Agreed Mamoon. But the same thing can be said in reverse when it comes to bowling.

    If we look at primary skills of Ashwin (bowling) and Stokes (batting), then in my opinion Ashwin is a far better bowler than Stokes is as a batsman.

    When it comes to their secondary skills, Stokes (bowling) is mostly a threat at home (and equivalent bowling conditions) and Ashwin (batting) is a threat at home and similar conditions. Stokes isn't considered a genuine threat or game changer with the ball on SC pitches just like Ashwin isn't considered a threat with the bat on SENA pitches.

    That's why I said Ashwin is better overall. Because in terms of their primary skill, Ashwin is ahead.
    Stokes averages better in Asia than any other continent with the ball. He's an effective old ball bowler who gets some good reverse swing at a decent pace, don't know where you get the impression he's mostly a threat in home (or similar) conditions.

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    He's a match winner all rounder, and heads and heels above players like Ashwin etc, who can make no impact outside Asia either as a bowler or batsman. Has test centuries in Australia, India, SA and England as well as 5fers in Australia, India, England and a 4fer in SA. On those stats alone he's a better performer than many established batsmen and bowlers.

    For me, he's the most important wicket in next year world cup alongside Butler. They are the Yuvraj-Dhoni 2011 kindish partnership in 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Stokes averages better in Asia than any other continent with the ball. He's an effective old ball bowler who gets some good reverse swing at a decent pace, don't know where you get the impression he's mostly a threat in home (or similar) conditions.
    His bowling stats in Asia is completely misleading. In BD he has a bowling avg of 10. Rest of Asia it's 44.

    Of the 8 wickets he got in India in 2016, 5 were of the lower order. I saw him throughout that tour in 2016 and he hardly ever looked threatening.

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    I don't find him someone who can be any sort of inspiration to youngsters or kids. He is a quality test player but an uninspiring cricketer. Prefer Root over him.

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    I would have Ben in my team any time of day regardless of what format. He gives it all.

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    Hands down best all-rounder in the world. Whether with bat or ball, when he gets going he can easily change the tide of the game to his team's favour. In that regard, he's like Freddie.

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    World Cup 2019: Ben Stokes can 'steal the show' for England, feels Andrew Flintoff

    Andrew Flintoff believes Ben Stokes can “steal the show” for England in a home season featuring both the World Cup and the Ashes.

    For the first time since the inaugural men’s World Cup in 1975, England are staging arguably the two biggest events in their calendar — the one-day showpiece and a Test series against arch-rivals Australia — in the same season.

    For a multi-format cricketer such as Stokes, a dynamic pace-bowling allrounder of a similar kind to the now-retired Flintoff, it could be a career-defining summer.

    Stokes, however, has yet to hit the heights he showed before being acquitted of affray by an English court last year following an incident outside a Bristol nightclub in the early hours of the morning.

    Flintoff believes Stokes’ bowling confidence may have been set back by being hit for four successive sixes by West Indies’ Carlos Brathwaite in the last over of the 2016 World Twenty20 final in Kolkata that England had been poised to win.

    But Flintoff said that was partly a consequence of Stokes’ willingness to take responsibility at key stages.

    “With Ben he’s just different,” Flintoff told reporters in London on Tuesday. “As a batter he can bat three, he can bat four –- his bowling’s getting better all the time.”

    “The World T20 probably knocked his confidence a little bit. That can happen, bowling at the death,” added Flintoff at an event to publicise the official song of the World Cup, ‘Stand By‘ by Loryn and Rudimental. “He’s always in the big moments of a game. He seems to be that lad who lifts the team.”

    Former England captain Flintoff’s career also featured its fair share of off-field controversy, with the 41-year-old saying this could take a toll on a player’s form.

    “I think since what happened the year before last, it’s always hard sometimes,” he said. “You’ve just got to find your feet again. You’re playing for the team but you’re also playing a little bit for acceptance as well — for the crowd, for the people coming to watch you.

    “I think he has come through the other side and I think we’re about to see the best of Ben Stokes. Or I hope so, because I genuinely love watching him.”

    Flintoff, a central figure with both bat and ball when England regained the Ashes on home soil in 2005, said the season ahead would be the ideal stage for Stokes to shine.

    “World Cup, Ashes –- it’s all to play for,” he insisted. “As a character and player like Ben, you wouldn’t be surprised if he just steals the show. We can (then) all forget about 2005 and move on with ourselves!”

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...lintoff-841079

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    One of those blokes, like Flintoff before, whose value to the side transcends numbers. He should be more consistent with the bat and has trouble against good spinners, but can take the game away fast if he gets his eye in. He is being handicapped by the terrible top order, having to do repair jobs instead of build on a platform.

    His bowling is aggressive and really helps the other bowlers.

    Far and away the best catcher since Collingwood too.


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