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9th November 2018, 14:56 #1
"Why do they (India) play us in the ICC tournaments?" : Ehsan Mani
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ehsan Mani wants the ICC to help restore his country's bilateral playing ties with India, saying that it is the world body's responsibility.
"I have already talked about it, though informally, at the ICC level. But now I am in the PCB and I will raise it more effectively that the ICC should ensure the bilateral series among all the countries," Mani told the 'Dawn' newspaper in an interview.
"Look, if there is no bilateral cricket series between India and Pakistan, why do they play us in the ICC tournaments?" he asked.
There has been no full bilateral series between the two countries since 2007 when Pakistan played a Test series in India.
In the winter of 2012-13, Pakistan toured India for a short goodwill series of limited-over matches, but India have refused to engage in a bilateral Test series with Pakistan after the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.
The ICC's dispute resolution committee is to give its verdict on a compensation claim of USD 70 million filed by the PCB against the BCCI.
The PCB has asserted that the BCCI did not honour a Memorandum of Understanding. The Indian Board has maintained that the MoU was not legally binding on it.
"Unfortunately, it has never happened in the history of the ICC that two cricket boards are fighting a case against each other. Had I been at the helm at the time of filing the case, I would have preferred to resolve the matter through negotiation," Mani said.
Mani said the dialogue should have continued between the boards and it would have been good to involve the governments of the two countries for a solution.
"I played a key role in 2004 through dialogue and I also persuaded England to visit Zimbabwe after setting aside the political stance of their government about the situation in Zimbabwe at that time," he said.
The PCB chief said that if Pakistan's compensation claim is rejected by the ICC committee, he would continue to try to talk to India.
"My intention is not to beg for cricket but to talk with anyone on equal terms. We are ready to play and we have to go with each other
"Then we will talk and if we fail we will again raise our voice in the ICC since its constitution has the clauses against government interference, but there has to be discussion over the nature of the interference," he said.
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9th November 2018, 14:58 #2
Because it would cost us dearly. Is it that difficult to understand?
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9th November 2018, 15:01 #3
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9th November 2018, 15:03 #4
After years of having Sethi beg BCCI for a series and show no self-respect at all, it is great to finally have a dignified Chairman who is not bothered about India not playing bilateral cricket with us.
This is what was promised to us the detractors of Sethi, so I would like apologize to all of them.
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9th November 2018, 15:08 #5
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9th November 2018, 15:22 #6
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9th November 2018, 16:00 #7
Then you dont play with us, do *** for tat.
We dont want to lose give you walkover and lose points.
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9th November 2018, 17:17 #8
To bring ICC into line PCB should withdraw from games against India in ICC tournaments until bilateral series are enforced. Time to end profiteering from Pakistan brand in ICC tourneys. You want the most watched cricket match on earth then give us what we want.
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9th November 2018, 17:18 #9
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"Look, if there is no bilateral cricket series between India and Pakistan, why do they play us in the ICC tournaments?" he asked.
The answer is in the question. One is a bilateral and the other is an ICC tournament. It has been BCCI's stance for the longest time that its ok to play ICC tournaments but no to bilaterals. Not sure what is so confusing.
Different chairman, same complaint/crying.
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9th November 2018, 17:21 #10
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9th November 2018, 18:06 #11
The only way in reality it can happen is, Pakistan forfeit the indian matches in ICC tournament.
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9th November 2018, 18:11 #12
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If Pakistan is not happy with this arrangement then they should boycott playing India in ICC events.
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9th November 2018, 23:40 #13
In an ideal world, we should not play vs Pak even in multilateral tournaments but what if there is an Ind-Pak knock out match. Why should we take a stand which does no good to us?
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10th November 2018, 00:58 #14
Of course we know this but Indian fans have been left confused, how much money their soldiers are worth.
Indian fans should speak up and demand their government allows bilateral ties, cricket is what fans should want against all nations. If every nation stopped playing others for political reasons world sport would be a shambles.
Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of Sheep
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10th November 2018, 01:08 #15
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BCCI dont want to give a single penny to PCB. India series is a money maker for all countries and playing bilaterals with Pakistan meaning PCB making money at India's expense. This is something that BCCI dont want. Remember, playing against India is a privilege and not a right. BCCI want to deprive PCB of that privilege as a punishment for Pakistan govt not acting against Mumbai murderers.
This is the only truth...rest all govt clearance, border tension etc. is just hogwash. In ICC events, all board gets equal money from ICC and PCB dont earn anything extra by playing India. So BCCI has no issues there. India will lose points by not playing against Pak in ICC events is a lie as well. If BCCI wants, they can easily keep Ind and Pak in seperate groups by requesting ICC. But they dont care bcoz ICC makes money from that game.
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10th November 2018, 01:57 #16
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10th November 2018, 07:05 #17
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10th November 2018, 07:10 #18
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back wards stone age mentality mixing sports and politics
the world moved on from mixing sports and politics in the 70's
indians have a stone age mentality to this issue.
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10th November 2018, 07:10 #19
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10th November 2018, 07:21 #20
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It's rather simple. We don't want you to make profit from our markets.
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10th November 2018, 07:59 #21
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10th November 2018, 08:00 #22
Both boards are powerless here and I thought Mani was intelligent enough to know this. Indian government is the main obstacle here. Yes one should not mix sports and politics but the Indian government always has and always will do that. Unless Pakistan ends its fixation with Kashmir ( I for one would like Pak governments to focus more on problems at home. fix the economy, focus on human development etc.) and as long as people like Modi are at the helm of affairs in India there is absolutely no prospect of any bilateral series between the two countries in the foreseebable future
Besides BCCI has nothing to lose from not playing against Pakistan. If we only play each other in ICC tournaments then so be it.
Why doesn't PCB get it? Have some dignity and self respect.
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10th November 2018, 11:04 #23
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I thought Mani said he wouldn't beg India for a series.
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10th November 2018, 11:11 #24
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10th November 2018, 11:15 #25
People often say that IPL doesn't allow Pak cricketers in it, yet conveniently forget who is to be blamed for that. Pak players played in the first season of IPL. And due to India not touring Pak in early 2009, the PCB barred it's players from participating in the second season on IPL in a *** for tat basis. What's even more funny is that Pak fans on PP were so happy back then when they got that news.
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10th November 2018, 11:26 #26
Pakistani players were hot property in T20 cricket in 2009. PCB was on its high horse and thought that by barring its players, it will be able to sabotage the IPL.
In their minds, a T20 league could not thrive without Pakistani players.
However, 10 years on, the IPL is now a bigger brand than Pakistan cricket itself, and the absence of our players has not been felt at all.
That is why taking decisions with bad intentions, as well as to sabotage others usually backfire.
PCB shot itself in the foot and deprived it’s players of millions, who have spent the last decade looking at the IPL with envy and have made regular statements of how they wish they could be a part of it.
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10th November 2018, 12:42 #28
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If people think that Indian fans are dying to see Indians play Pakistan in cricket, forget it. Those days are long gone. Right now it is Pakistan fans, and more importantly PCB bigwigs who are dying to play India. PCB is interested in these bilateral matches because of money, not because of any love for the game.
There are some people who ask rhetorically why India plays Pakistan in tournaments. These teams at least play in tournaments. Cricket is not the only sport in the world. There are so many major countries that do not play cricket.
A day may well come when Indians may lose interest in cricket and move on to some other sports if they get better in these sports. I would dearly love to see India becoming one of them in future.Last edited by latecut; 10th November 2018 at 12:44.
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10th November 2018, 12:54 #29
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10th November 2018, 12:57 #30
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Pakistan better boycott Playing India in World Cup... One stone two birds
First PCB can preserve their Dignity and self respect and it will halt their losing streak against India in World Cup...
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10th November 2018, 13:01 #31
This is all legacy stuff - lets try and deal with the situation today and see how it can be improved.
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10th November 2018, 13:41 #32
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And the drama from Pak at that time.... Initially sports ministry cleared then later went back....
The idea by PCB at that time was not just jeopardizing IPL but the ICC World Cup 2011 as well, as India was the host... Apparently nothing worked for PCB as the saying goes, " Jaisi Karni Waisi Barni ".....
Going forward both the boards and the government's need to talk and figure out a way as India Pak series will be financially great and also will help players improve their game as well... The recent court case and twitter comments from Imran hasn't helped but all is not lost, the best time could be 2020 once elections are over in Indoa.
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10th November 2018, 14:49 #33
Well India isn't the only nation which boycotts other nation in sports
Arabs forced Israel to leave Asian Federations of various sports
Though they play them in World Championships or Olympics
Saudi Arabia/UAE etc boycott Qatar
They have been trying to take away the hosting of 2022 FIFA WC from Qatar
And even formed a new federation named SWAFF to lobby against Qatar at Asian level
It's happening now
Pls be updated
what mentality do they have?
Bilateral series in Cricket are just like friendlies and unless there are good relations between the two nations it wont be played
It's a simple thing but u guys don't understand
And we are well aware of why PCB wants to play us in cricket
It's only for $$$$ nothing else
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10th November 2018, 17:01 #34
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10th November 2018, 17:16 #35
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10th November 2018, 17:29 #37
Getting sick of the Indian fans on this forum who claim that the Indian public could care less about Playing Pakistan. Like what is your proof? The Indian Public would much rather see India v WI and SL repeatedly?
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10th November 2018, 17:35 #38
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10th November 2018, 17:45 #39
No the interest is very clear. India v Pakistan especially in a world cup is a gigantic fixture and ICC bends its rules to have this clash on its schedule. The fixture is made even more special with the streak of Pakistan never beating India in a world cup also. In England, Indian fans are extremely sharp at buying the tickets for this match and 90% of the crowed is still Indian even when the vast majority of tickets purchased by Pakistanis are second hand from Indians.
The match is then sensationalised and hyped up by the media from across both borders, special talk shows and heated debates. Tall claims by the Pakistani experts etc. Mauka Mauka ad campaign, why are the media seriously milking the cash cow if there is no genuine interest in this match by the Indian Public? Let me remind you that the Mauka Mauka campaign is an Indian initiative. Why do the A list celebs of India make a special effort to be visible in the crowed for this match?
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10th November 2018, 17:58 #40
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The interest is bcoz we seldom play, so there is an extra excitement in media and fans when these two teams meet considering the political issues. It does not get hyped up bcoz Pak is some quality cricket team and beating them is a bench mark. Lol
Even in Asia cup, I was so excited for the 1st game (19 sept game). 2nd match on 23rd, I was like Meh.
If Ind and Pak plays regularly, the hype will no where near as its now. It will be just another bilateral game whose viewership is dwarfed by IPL.
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10th November 2018, 18:14 #41
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10th November 2018, 19:33 #42
"The Indian bowling attack is as devastating as the Teletubbies"- Sir Ian Botham
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10th November 2018, 19:36 #43
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10th November 2018, 20:15 #44
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10th November 2018, 20:46 #49
There is only one word to describe this and that is 'hypocrisy'. When it was our turn to host Pakistan post 2008 Mumbai attacks we invited them in 2012 'Aane Do' series but after that we couldn't even play against them in UAE?
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10th November 2018, 20:55 #52
Oh so they dont protest therefore they have zero interest?
Pakistan has lost a lot of its star performers who were very popular on both sides of the border and this for me is a reason why there could be a lack of interest. I can imagine even Pakistanis are not inspired to follow Imad Wasim or Mohammad Hafeez
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10th November 2018, 20:57 #53
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10th November 2018, 20:57 #54
Then there are India A, India B and India C also.
I don't know if it was you or someone else who said this that India can survive without international cricket and is good enough to create three teams full of Indian players. Even if they play against each other whole India will be watching them.
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10th November 2018, 20:58 #55
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So basicly no that indian goverment has not played pakistan in a bilaterral series for 10 years there must be absoutley zero terrorism inside India as playing pakistan in cricket fuels terrorism according to indian goverment
Your goverment is taking you indians for a ride telling you that by not playing pakistan in billaterial series stops terrorism inside India. But dont have any issues playing Pak in ICC tournaments because terrorists take a day off from doing bad things whenever Pak - India play each other in ICC matches.
laughable as it gets and embrassing for india as to why they link sports and politics togther. I would rather india goverment just come out and say the truth that we dont play pakistan in a bialateral series because we dont want PCB to make money and get richer.
all this terrorism, politics is absolute ** indian goverment says to its people. its only about pakistan cricket not becoming richer and improving thats it. Indians and their goverment need to stop lying to its own people
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10th November 2018, 21:08 #57
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I think people overlooked my post in this thread. Pls read the real reason India don't play Pakistan. Hope it clears all confusion.
BCCI dont want to give a single penny to PCB. India series is a money maker for all countries and playing bilaterals with Pakistan meaning PCB making money at India's expense. This is something that BCCI dont want. Remember, playing against India is a privilege and not a right. BCCI want to deprive PCB of that privilege as a punishment for Pakistan govt not acting against Mumbai murderers.
This is the only truth...rest all govt clearance, border tension etc. is just hogwash. In ICC events, all board gets equal money from ICC and PCB dont earn anything extra by playing India. So BCCI has no issues there. India will lose points by not playing against Pak in ICC events is a lie as well. If BCCI wants, they can easily keep Ind and Pak in seperate groups by requesting ICC. But they dont care bcoz ICC makes money from that game.
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10th November 2018, 21:11 #58
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what Qatar boycott everyone is going to be in Qatar for the world cup even the saudis. stop beleiving in propoganda
And good luck if you indians think you can force pakistan to quit asian federations.
Has terrorism in India stopped now that the indian goverment has stopped any series for the last 10 years ??
And do the terrorists take a day off from doing bad things whenever Pak v india happens in a ICC event ?
Indian goverment takes you indians for fools and expects the world to believe it. Had any one believed indias stance on not playing pak due to politics and accussing Pak of terrorism then other countries would have followed suit in not playing Pak. Sorry but no one buys this indian bogus theory and the world left behind mixing sports and politics in the 70's as its not beenfical and doesnt get any results.
Indian goverment stop lying to your people and say the truth that Playing Pak hasnt got anything to do with Politics or terrorism. you indians dont want to play us because you dont want Pak cricket to get richer and improve its so simple.
stop hiding behing the terrorism card when india itself spreads systemtic terrorism inside pakistan and the neighbourhood. and if any doubt pls ask any of indians neighbours what it thinks of india in the neighbourhood.
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10th November 2018, 21:11 #59
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10th November 2018, 21:53 #60
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10th November 2018, 21:54 #61
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10th November 2018, 21:59 #62
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10th November 2018, 23:30 #64
But @cricketjoshila jee was saying that we don't play as many T20's as Pakistan? We are head to head as far as number of matches are concerned. Infact we will take the lead tomorrow after playing 3rd T20 against West Indies.
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10th November 2018, 23:57 #65
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Not sure what T20 got to do with this thread. Its about India not playing Pak in bilaterals. Even if Pakistan turns out to be Clive Lloyds WI tomorrow, BCCI will still not play bilaterals due to the reasons I stated above. So these cryings, look we are good in T20s, we hv high W/L ratio etc is meaningless here.
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11th November 2018, 00:14 #66
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11th November 2018, 00:18 #67
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11th November 2018, 00:18 #68
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Pakistan is no way better than India as T20 side.
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11th November 2018, 00:23 #69
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On the topic Mr.Mani , PCB is free to boycott its matches against India in all tournaments. India will play Pakistan in a bilateral series when it chooses and feels it is right to play them.
I don't see how you are different from Mr.Sethi , his main agenda while in office was talking about India.
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11th November 2018, 02:02 #74
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Lot of Pakistanis still play against India in bilaterals and IPL
Moeen ALi, Adil Rashid, Usman Khawaja, Imran Tahir
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