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    Time to drop Hasan Ali?

    The inevitable question - needs to be asked based upon his last few performances.

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    No.

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    May as well give him the next game with Junaid injured, needs to turn it around quickly though

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    Send him back to prep for the South Africa tour with Amir.

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    No the bowling coach needs to fill him with confidence and remind him that when he came initially, he attached the top of off stumps more and now he doesn't. It's very simple honestly for any fast bowler, hit the top of the stumps and search for that length and batsman will struggle

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    I think he got lucky Junaid Khan got injured warna he could have even been dropped today! He needs to start performing because you can't be guaranteed a spot in the XI just because of your name

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    You will need him in England... No point judging him on UAE pitches....

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    No.

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    Time to change our bowling coach.

    Every fast bowler is struggling.

    Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Time to change our bowling coach.

    Every fast bowler is struggling.

    Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.
    A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

    First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
    Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

    Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Time to change our bowling coach.

    Every fast bowler is struggling.

    Coach himself wasn't a decent bowler.
    This. The bowling coach needs to held accountable. What is he getting paid for when all our bowlers are struggling. When the bowling coach himself doesn't know the intricacies of fast bowling, how can he help other bowlers?

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    No. He will come good.

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    You could see today after his first wicket his ball was zipping about and did bowl much better. Giving him a rest is the easy way out, he's young and should be played so he can learn and become stronger mentally and physically to the demands of international cricket.

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    No
    He'll become a better bowler when once he overcomes this slump in form.

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    Nope. Sure he’s had a string of poor performances. However he is still a vital cog in the pace battery and is vital for the Asia cup. I recon allow him to play the final ODI against NZ. Then go back and prep for SA and the World Cup like Amir.

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    I don't know why he was giving short balls today and was hit with boundaries and next over he showed batman the way to the pavilion with a length bowl yorker.

    The key should be He should be persisted with his line and lenght and wickets will fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricVet View Post
    A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

    First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
    Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

    Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
    Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

    You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.

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    Yes, lessons need to be learn early. He needs to know to be in team one needs to perform on constant basses noone will be given long rope as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

    You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
    We should look for a bowling coach who has vast experience of both Pakistani cricket and English conditions. It would also be a bonus if they had helped a low ranked international side win a major trophy within the last 1.5 years.

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    He should be “rested” for a few games not dropped


    If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    We should look for a bowling coach who has vast experience of both Pakistani cricket and English conditions. It would also be a bonus if they had helped a low ranked international side win a major trophy within the last 1.5 years.
    Like football coaches you're only as good as your last game and you have to adapt to the current standards. If Amir, Hasan Ali and co continue to struggle a more qualified coach might bring the best out of them. Azhar may have done wonders in the past but is he doing enough for these pacers to hit their potential?

    I don't know if you follow football but Claudio Ranieri led Leicester City to a title against all odds but next season he was a shambles, so the solution was to change managers as he had lost the dressing roomand as a result the team was back in form again. Have you wondered perhaps Azhar has muddled the minds of these bowlers and perhaps they don't agree with his methods?

    Not calling for his head but something will have to change if it continues whether it be dropping players, remove Sarfraz as captain or change in coach(es).
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    2-59, what's the problem? Not at his best but still picking up wickets.


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    Yes, fame has gotten to his head.


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    Yes. Performances are really poor these days. He's not the same bowler he was in the Champions Trophy. Perhaps too much focus on "looking good"!

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    Will probably rip New Zealand apart next game

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Will probably rip New Zealand apart next game
    LOL... Not happening. He has been found out and 'll go downhill have seen many "cocky stars" like him going down the drain. lets wait n watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    LOL... Not happening. He has been found out and 'll go downhill have seen many "cocky stars" like him going down the drain. lets wait n watch
    There was/is nothing to find out about him, just like Fakhar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    There was/is nothing to find out about him, just like Fakhar.
    No disrespect to fakhar but you are saying that fakhar fixed his legside game just because he scored runs? anywho its about Hasan and I still say that fame has got to his head and he is not the same bowler. I hope I am wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    No disrespect to fakhar but you are saying that fakhar fixed his legside game just because he scored runs? anywho its about Hasan and I still say that fame has got to his head and he is not the same bowler. I hope I am wrong...
    No I am saying that just because performances of these players have dipped it does not mean they have been "found out" or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    2-59, what's the problem? Not at his best but still picking up wickets.
    You didn't watch the match did you?

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    Hasan's problem is mental. He is still running in hard and bowling fast and very fit to last longer in this format of the game, but success went in to his head and ever since that he has been struggling. When you focus too much on celebrating a wicket and wearing silly things around your neck, then you are going to fail for sure. Cricket is a cruel game and demands too much of mental attention and does not let you take it easy. You must respect this game, otherwise you will be done and dusted very soon.
    Should be dropped, just so he can come back to earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricVet View Post
    A very thick logic and you do that quite often here.

    First of all, Azhar was a decent bowler and could bowl economically. He was a useful alrounder which
    Was his job. Besides, where is a rquirement for a coach to be a good player himself? As far as I know, most coaches have been below par players in their lives majority of the time in ALL sports.

    Coming back to the subject, It is Hassan's confidence hurting in the worst part of the cricket world. He is trying too many tricks instead of keeping it simpler. I am sure he will regain confidence and will be a much better bowler in SA.
    Woah, slow down. When have we interacted before?

    Anyway, you have every right to have your own opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by goran View Post
    This. The bowling coach needs to held accountable. What is he getting paid for when all our bowlers are struggling. When the bowling coach himself doesn't know the intricacies of fast bowling, how can he help other bowlers?
    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

    You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
    Thank you.

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    Every player goes through a bad phase. Not so long ago Shadab admitted to the media that he fears batsmen have identified his strength - but he's comeback strong.

    Remember Smith in 2010-11 period? He struggled for Australia big time. But they stood by him and gave him the time to settle in. Same method should be applied with Hasan - he's going through a phase. Needs to rest, as he has played ALOT of cricket.

    This is also a reality check that Hasan is not as good as PP'ers make out - and for Hasan that he is a cricket player, not celebrity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    2-59, what's the problem? Not at his best but still picking up wickets.
    Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

    He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

    He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!
    Sodhi has three Test fifties and a very impressive hitting technique. Not a tailender. One of the sixes he hit was on a missed yorker.

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    Well we can either rest him or let him play on till he hits form. Going by Fakhar's scenario I think the team management are going to persist with him till he finds form again. There may be a dozen problems with the current team management but they give a very long run to any youngster which they have identified as a future prospect. Babar hasn't been dropped from Tests, Fakhar was persisted with despite a string of failures and now they are showing a lot of confidence in Hassan to come good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Was poor early on, but once he got a wicket he seemed to find his zip again and was getting the ball to tail.

    He needs to show more intelligence at the death though; he has a lethal yorker but insists on over-using his slower balls. Tail enders should not be hitting him for six!
    NZ's tail is capable of smashing pretty much any bowling lineup. They've done it to pretty much every lineup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Nah thick logic is coming from you. He posts sense.

    You ignored the essence of his statement completely. The fast bowlers are struggling and with the World Cup coming up we need them in form. A change in a more qualified bowling coach might be the solution.
    LOL. Before advocating, add some sense. A coach can only do so much. EVERY player goes thru ups and downs. Who was the bowling coach when he performed so well previously. Use your head instead of being Jazbati kind. You I guess like to blame a teacher for failed students?
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    Spoke with Umar Gul about Hassan Ali and he feels things aren't as bad as some are suggesting. However he feels that Hassan needs to come up with a few new tricks now that teams know what he is about.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Spoke with Umar Gul about Hassan Ali and he feels things aren't as bad as some are suggesting. However he feels that Hassan needs to come up with a few new tricks now that teams know what he is about.
    Batsmen have been able to read his variations. There is no surprise element anymore. He seems to be erring in length a bit too

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    The first thing he needs to do is get rid of that stupid celebration, learn to bowl a good leg cutter or outswinger when the ball is still a bit new.. his incutter is good but he needs to take them away feom right handers as well.. and a few slow ball variations like someone else pointed out..


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    we have enough fast bowlers in reserve to rotate and rest, not necessarily drop. Pakistans problem in the past has been persisting too long with players who aren't performing and giving them a sense of false confidence. Competition for places is a good thing and should be utilized to motivate and pressure players to perform better.


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