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    Does New Zealand have a better chance of winning the 2019 World Cup than England or India?

    Nz looks like a very balanced team. Team has Guptill, Munro, Taylor, Williamson in batting. Good bowlers in Boult, Southee, Henry, Santner and a brilliant fielding unit as always.
    Also they always punch above their weight in WCs, 5 time semi finalists and last WC runners up. What are their chances in 2019WC?

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    Don't think so.

    Top 3 are England, India and Pakistan. Then Australia followed by NZ and SA.

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    Btw Munro averages 25 in ODIs.

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    They heavily depend on boult to strike with new ball.

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    Nope, we're a weaker version of India.

    They're better than us in every area - their top 3 kills ours, their middle order while weak is still better than ours, their lower order and bowlers are better than ours.

    We rely on taking wickets early with the new ball, if we don't, then teams can easily build a platform, our bowlers simply lack penetration in the middle overs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed216 View Post
    They heavily depend on boult to strike with new ball.
    Yes, if he doesn't strike with the new ball, the only way we get wickets is from the batsmen's errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Don't think so.

    Top 3 are England, India and Pakistan. Then Australia followed by NZ and SA.
    I've been saying this for months but people thought I was being pessimistic. We did nothing to win that first game and if Pakistan actually showed up, they probably would have won the series 2-0. We have way too many holes and are going to get smashed in the WC. No anti jinxing or whatever, this team is really weak. Bangladesh and WI are fully capable of beating them in a series, you just need to watch them play to realize this team is not going to factor in much next year. You may as well skip to the SFs now.
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    If they reach the semis, then they have the same chances as any other team.

    Right now, I see ENG, IND & SA as the 3 teams who should definitely be in the semis. If Australia can come out of the doldrums then I expect them to take the fourth slot otherwise it'll be a battle between NZ & PAK for that slot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    If they reach the semis, then they have the same chances as any other team.

    Right now, I see ENG, IND & SA as the 3 teams who should definitely be in the semis. If Australia can come out of the doldrums then I expect them to take the fourth slot otherwise it'll be a battle between NZ & PAK for that slot.
    SA above Pakistan and Aus?

    Australia are a champion team who rises for the WC, with Smith and Warner back they'll be lethal. They don't crumble under pressure like most.

    I'd back Pakistan to beat SA when it matters, I don't think SA have a strong team like they usually do for ICC events this time around either.


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    How come Indian middle order better than Nz?
    Taylor, Williamson, Corey Anderson, Neesham vs Kohli, Rayudu, Jadhav, grandpa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    SA above Pakistan and Aus?

    Australia are a champion team who rises for the WC, with Smith and Warner back they'll be lethal. They don't crumble under pressure like most.

    I'd back Pakistan to beat SA when it matters, I don't think SA have a strong team like they usually do for ICC events this time around either.
    Have you seen what Boult and Furguson are doing to the Pak batsmen on these benign UAE pitches?

    How do you reckon they will handle Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on English pitches that have pace and bounce?

    SA arguably have the best pace bowling lineup for the WC and in de Kock, Amla and Faf, they have 3 batsmen who are better than any batsman in the Pakistani lineup. And in the field, they have always been 10/10.

    SA may choke like they tend to do. But on paper I don't see Pakistani batsmen standing up to this SA bowling attack. A lot of teams may struggle against this bowling attack, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Have you seen what Boult and Furguson are doing to the Pak batsmen on these benign UAE pitches?

    How do you reckon they will handle Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on English pitches that have pace and bounce?

    SA arguably have the best pace bowling lineup for the WC and in de Kock, Amla and Faf, they have 3 batsmen who are better than any batsman in the Pakistani lineup. And in the field, they have always been 10/10.

    SA may choke like they tend to do. But on paper I don't see Pakistani batsmen standing up to this SA bowling attack. A lot of teams may struggle against this bowling attack, actually.
    They'll find it easier to handle the pace and bounce on true surfaces.

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    Batting of Nzl is weak atm. In the current series. Guptill is not in the squad. Munro I would say is a hit or miss show, Williamson isn't scoring runs, Taylor is almost near the end of his career. New Zealand bowling although is brilliant! Specialy pacers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    They'll find it easier to handle the pace and bounce on true surfaces.
    Fakhar and Babar will. But Malik, Hafeez, Imam, Sarfraz? No. They will find it even more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I've been saying this for months but people thought I was being pessimistic. We did nothing to win that first game and if Pakistan actually showed up, they probably would have won the series 2-0. We have way too many holes and are going to get smashed in the WC. No anti jinxing or whatever, this team is really weak. Bangladesh and WI are fully capable of beating them in a series, you just need to watch them play to realize this team is not going to factor in much next year. You may as well skip to the SFs now.
    I agree. A lot depends on Boult with new ball or Guptill at top. But in last 1-1.5 years, Guptill has failed to take his game to another level like Rohit Sharma did. Williamson just doesn't have that gear and he can win you matches where Boult does the damage early on and restrict opposition under 250 but apart from that, he will mostly succumb as well. Taylor is in good form and that is what has been a saviour for you.

    I think if you push beyond capability, you will get to semis but I don't see NZ beating India or Pakistan or even current England in England in semis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Fakhar and Babar will. But Malik, Hafeez, Imam, Sarfraz? No. They will find it even more difficult.
    Seting ducks.

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    it is India and Eng world cup to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARK Rafay View Post
    Batting of Nzl is weak atm. In the current series. Guptill is not in the squad. Munro I would say is a hit or miss show, Williamson isn't scoring runs, Taylor is almost near the end of his career. New Zealand bowling although is brilliant! Specialy pacers.
    I don't get why people say this, I don't think we have a good bowling attack. We can't buy a wicket in the middle overs and rely on their being movement early for Boult and Southee to do well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    I agree. A lot depends on Boult with new ball or Guptill at top. But in last 1-1.5 years, Guptill has failed to take his game to another level like Rohit Sharma did. Williamson just doesn't have that gear and he can win you matches where Boult does the damage early on and restrict opposition under 250 but apart from that, he will mostly succumb as well. Taylor is in good form and that is what has been a saviour for you.

    I think if you push beyond capability, you will get to semis but I don't see NZ beating India or Pakistan or even current England in England in semis.
    Agreed, the only player I back to score runs when it matters is Taylor and he's not getting any younger. Kane is not a match winner, he rarely steps up and needs others around him to contribute to win. Kohli, Warner, AB etc. can win you a match on their own.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KP From India View Post
    How come Indian middle order better than Nz?
    Taylor, Williamson, Corey Anderson, Neesham vs Kohli, Rayudu, Jadhav, grandpa.
    Corey Anderson and Neesham are not international standard batsmen.

    Kohli alone can double, if not triple what our #5, #6, #7 and #8 make combined.
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    why not? potentially a star studded lineup, iff everyone is fit.
    Satner, Anderson and Guptill are missing from current lineup.
    with Matt Henry and Neil Wagner and Adam Milne, They have an excellent backup seam attack.

    Then again, they did lose to bangaldesh in the champions trophy. thats the only reason i can think of new zealand not being considered top favorites to win

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    India
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    Newzealand

    Top three contenders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Have you seen what Boult and Furguson are doing to the Pak batsmen on these benign UAE pitches?

    How do you reckon they will handle Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on English pitches that have pace and bounce?

    SA arguably have the best pace bowling lineup for the WC and in de Kock, Amla and Faf, they have 3 batsmen who are better than any batsman in the Pakistani lineup. And in the field, they have always been 10/10.

    SA may choke like they tend to do. But on paper I don't see Pakistani batsmen standing up to this SA bowling attack. A lot of teams may struggle against this bowling attack, actually.
    SA bowling attack is definitely the best in the world, no doubts about it. However, keep in mind, Pakistan has beaten South Africa quite emphatically in the last two games they have played in ICC tournaments. This was with an ABD at his peak, and one where Steyn was breathing fire and bowling pretty quick. I give Pakistan more chances of beating SA than Aus or NZ in a knockout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    SA bowling attack is definitely the best in the world, no doubts about it. However, keep in mind, Pakistan has beaten South Africa quite emphatically in the last two games they have played in ICC tournaments. This was with an ABD at his peak, and one where Steyn was breathing fire and bowling pretty quick. I give Pakistan more chances of beating SA than Aus or NZ in a knockout.
    Yes that's true. Pakistan beat SA both times. They will hold the psychological advantage.

    But one should also keep in mind that it wasn't SA's bowling that failed them in those matches. Rather it was their batting. SA had bolwed Pak out for 200 odd if I remember correctly in 2015.

    And most importantly, this is the first time SA will play Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi together in a tournament. In 2015, they only had Steyn and in 2017 they only had Rabada. So this SA pace attack is certainly going to be much stronger than they were in those last 2 occasions.

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    England have proven time and time again that their batting is so monstrous their bowlers dont have much work to do. NZ have a better bowling line up but their batting is nowhere near that level.

    If England combine their clear ODI superiority with mental toughness, no one touches them next year throughout the tournament. They are just that good.

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    Ind are relying on top 3 batsman to win the world cup
    Eng are relying on David Willy to win them world cup. NOT going to happen

    Australia all the way

    Jammy hit & miss teams like pak windies might make it to the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAli98 View Post
    Ind are relying on top 3 batsman to win the world cup
    Eng are relying on David Willy to win them world cup. NOT going to happen

    Australia all the way

    Jammy hit & miss teams like pak windies might make it to the final.
    Australia has a major weakness - not a single decent spinner. That's going to really hurt them in the middle overs.

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    No. England and India are favourites. English batting is stronger than India but India's bowling is excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Have you seen what Boult and Furguson are doing to the Pak batsmen on these benign UAE pitches?

    How do you reckon they will handle Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi on English pitches that have pace and bounce?

    SA arguably have the best pace bowling lineup for the WC and in de Kock, Amla and Faf, they have 3 batsmen who are better than any batsman in the Pakistani lineup. And in the field, they have always been 10/10.

    SA may choke like they tend to do. But on paper I don't see Pakistani batsmen standing up to this SA bowling attack. A lot of teams may struggle against this bowling attack, actually.
    Have you seen Pak vs SA CT match? Rabada was hit for quite a lot of runs including 6 from Fakhar to mid on. Now suddenly whats that extra thing in their bowling? Steyn and Ngidi? Morkel was there at that time.

    Wickets are fast in Eng which I guess is what most batsmen prefer in ODIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Yes that's true. Pakistan beat SA both times. They will hold the psychological advantage.

    But one should also keep in mind that it wasn't SA's bowling that failed them in those matches. Rather it was their batting. SA had bolwed Pak out for 200 odd if I remember correctly in 2015.

    And most importantly, this is the first time SA will play Steyn, Rabada and Ngidi together in a tournament. In 2015, they only had Steyn and in 2017 they only had Rabada. So this SA pace attack is certainly going to be much stronger than they were in those last 2 occasions.
    True. Although, there's still time for any one or even two of them to not be available for the World Cup

    Will be a good contest. I give Pakistan more of a chance for competing with top teams in England. It's where they have played quite good cricket recently, but making the semi-finals will be quite difficult with the current squad.

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    England and India are the favourites.

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    India has almost no chance of winning the WC under clueless captain Kohli and that talentless, shameless bootlicking good for nothing Ravi Shastri. Moreover we have become number 1 chokers of cricket in these last few editions of ICC trophies. I expect us to reach the semis easily because of our consistency but Eng, Pak, Aus and NZ are much more likelier to win the World Cup. Then there is the added curse of IPL just before the real cricket, have a nagging suspicion that some of our heavyweights will injure themselves in IPL and mental midget Rahane will spearhead our campaign with Unadkat as bowling leader LOL.

    SA is another joke team who won't win a KO match even if they have to face a depleted Afghanistan in a Durban type pitch. For that matter put SA in a women's WC and the jokers will surrender in front of Kaur/Lanning/Perry in a big match, that's how hopeless they are.

    My favourites right now:

    Tier 1: England (hosts and no 1 team), Pakistan (lethal in England), Australia (greatest WC team, will peak as usual). 90% chance that one of these 3 will lift the cup.

    Tier 2: NZ (dark horse, suited to those conditions, underestimate at your own peril) 9% chance

    [daylight]

    Tier 3: India, WI, Bangladesh combined 1% chance

    No chance: SA, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I don't get why people say this, I don't think we have a good bowling attack. We can't buy a wicket in the middle overs and rely on their being movement early for Boult and Southee to do well.
    Because it is. Lockie Ferguson is your man to get wickets in the middle. And I don't understand why Matt Henry is being used as last (fifth bowler) below Boult, Southee, Mline and Ferguson?


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    World cricket standard must be at a all time low, for people to be saying NZ are favourites for a ICC trophy!!

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    Far too many people here are overrating india, yes we are good with probably the best top 3 in world cricket and a bowling lineup varied enough to be competitive on any pitch but you all are discounting the lack of a single brain cell between kohli, his ******* and the 3 stooges also known as our selectors.

    Our captain lacks the brains or luck to make good decisions in tight situations, the ******* is utterly useless and spineless and the selectors lack any forethought or even rudimentary analytical skills given we have seen dhoni and co fail over and over again with no change. As good as we are, we aren't good enough to beat that.

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    Time to revisit this thread.
    I think NZ are a bit overhyped. England still remain firm favorites for me. India and Aus depending on how Smith Warner ease back into the team are top 3.

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    Stupid bump.

    World Cups are about one match on that given day.

    Have people learnt nothing from Champions Trophy final?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Stupid bump.

    World Cups are about one match on that given day.

    Have people learnt nothing from Champions Trophy final?
    Yeah that way WI are as likely to win the world cup as England as both of them can win or lose against any team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Stupid bump.

    World Cups are about one match on that given day.

    Have people learnt nothing from Champions Trophy final?
    Champions trophy more of an aberration than the norm. Past 5 world cups have been won by one of the favorites.

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    I called this

    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Stupid bump.

    World Cups are about one match on that given day.

    Have people learnt nothing from Champions Trophy final?
    Nah, only team who really rise to the occasion is Pakistan.

    We're not that team who can punch above their weight and go all the way. Pakistan can, as shown in the CT.
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    NZ are a strong LO team at home and competitive away from home. But they are not the 3rd favourties for the WC. They have major issues with who will be the all rounder. Munro seems to have been worked out. And in the middle overs they may struggle to get wickets if Sohdi doesn't fire.

    Australia are much stronger at full strength.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I called this

    Nah, only team who really rise to the occasion is Pakistan.

    We're not that team who can punch above their weight and go all the way. Pakistan can, as shown in the CT.
    CT. Just two good days are enough. In WC you need a lot of good days against lot of teams. But for pereira drop Pakistan was going to be knocked out first round. You need to have multiple such days in WC round robin league. Same for all teams. So only strong teams will reach the semis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I called this

    Nah, only team who really rise to the occasion is Pakistan.

    We're not that team who can punch above their weight and go all the way. Pakistan can, as shown in the CT.
    CT is not the World Cup and Pakistan cannot perform consistently in that format

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    World cups never have upsets. The last 5 world cups have been won by the pre tournament faves.

    Similar to football where Greece can fluke a euro but World Cups are all won by strong teams.

    To win a ct you can fluke two wins. For wc not possible as the group stage is very long.

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    If pitches are not total roads then India are the favourites. Else England.


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