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    Playing Mohammad Rizwan as a specialist batsman in the ODI team [VIDEO #32]

    His average and SR is astonishing if you remove his previous ODI performances.

    the benefits of having him bat in the top 5:

    Excellent player under pressure.
    Back up WK
    Rotates the strike very well.
    Has a good SR.

    I reckon he should play as a specialist batsman in the PAK side at number 5.

    He should NOT bat below 5 to accomodate Hafeez and Malik.We already wasted him by playing him in that position.

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    Can't agree more.
    The guy is gun fielder and can be a best top order batsman with 40+ ,90
    But question remains.
    Can he will be allowed any where near to the team in which Haris Sohail is finding it difficult to secure his place.
    The fact is our team will only progress
    When hafeez and Malik will retire. It will only happen after world cup

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    I dont really like him but his performance is very very good and should be given a chance.


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    In that case, rather play Sarfraz as specialist Captain (batsman), and keep with Rizwan, because he is a better WK.

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    This is in Pakistan's history they can't play two batsmen together because they both are WK


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    Should be in ODI and test side ahead of safraz, pretty simple really.

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    He is not good enough as a batsman but I would definitely pick him ahead of that useless sarfraz.He should replace him in all formats.

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    Nah not good enough. He is a limited batsman and I don't see anything special in him. Even if he replaces Malik, Hafeez or Imam as a batsman, we will be replacing one accumulator with another.

    Sarfaraz is the captain and is keeping well so he cannot be dropped.
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    Too risky for Sarfraz, Rizwan is already a better keeper and if he scores some runs too in ODI, there won't be any reason for Sarfraz to stay in team, Sarfraz's backers won't take any chances.

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    After Malik and Hafeez retire (6 months basically) he'll be there in the middle order

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    Another Rizwan thread, similar to akmal just give hin the chance for his beloved fans. Once he fails miserably people will come to their senses.

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    No he should directly replace Sarfaraz Ahmad, better keeper, better batsman and one of the fittest player.

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    M Rizwan is a very poor quality batsman. Specially at international level.

    This new line of threads on Riz need to stop.

    Enough! Why do we have so many threads on him? Trust me he's not even another Saad Nasim or Maqsood.


    The only justification for his inclusion can be that we want Sarfraz to know he too is a rubbish batsman and does not deserve to play ODIs or Tests.

    That is true.

    Both rizwan and Sarfraz are at a pretty much equal level in batting.

    Mediocre.

    Never ever play him as a batsman alone!

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    These riz threads needs to stop. Watching him bat at international level is torture. He literally can not play a cricket shot. Fawad is someone who should return before him and he also canít hit a big shot to save his life.

    Riz is domestic level and should stay there. I hope we never see him in a Pakistan jersey again.

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    I had lost faith in him around 2017, but his recent performances have been extremely good. He does merit a recall, but I don't think there is a place for him atm unless Hafeez is made to open and Malik is dropped. Hafeez's bowling adds a lot of control and balance to our bowling attack. His bowling is actually more important than his batting IMO.
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    Mohammad Rizwan's recent scores versus New Zealand A and England Lions in 50 over games:
    105*, 34, 116*, 11*, 98, 141* and 73

    Total of 578 runs
    Average of 192.67



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    The only way Rizwan merits his selection in the team is if he plays as a WK. He is miles better at WK than Sarfraz. At the top level, he looks horribly out of place while batting and cannot hit international bowlers at the death in ODIs. However he has been making the right noises and batting extremely well at A level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    In that case, rather play Sarfraz as specialist Captain (batsman), and keep with Rizwan, because he is a better WK.
    Good idea but Sarfi isn't as good a fielder as Rizwan is.

    Rizwan is probably our best after Shadab

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    Whenever I've seen Rizwan fielding he has looked a more than competent fielder. The time is getting close where this guy should be a part of the Pakistan ODI team.



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    Whatever you think of him, he merits his chance. Even in tests as a pure bat I’d give him a go over Asad


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Good idea but Sarfi isn't as good a fielder as Rizwan is.

    Rizwan is probably our best after Shadab
    If Sarfraz is to be honoured as Captain and carried as a specialist one, better he should play as a specialist (batsman) one, so that he can focus at least on his captaincy. WKeeping is a rowdy job even for the coolest chaps, while this guy plays & leads international cricket like his weekend buddy game between Nazmabad & Clifton Beach!!!

    Rizwan is the best or among top 2-3 fielders in PAK, and Sarfraz is as good an out fielder as Kamran, but if he plays as non WK & hides at short 3rd man or short fine leg, or at slip ala Rantunga, may be some day heíll learn to Captain like Arjuna as well in small patches. He being captain & WK (hence always on focus, at middle of things & infront of camera), isnít healthy for the game or PAK players, particularly younger ones.

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    The elephant in the room is that Rizwan - despite his struggles in the initial part of his career - is an upgrade over Sarfraz in every aspect.

    Fitter, hungrier, better batsman and WK. Not really a question IMO at the moment.

    Does anybody here really think Sarfraz could replicate the form Rizwan has shown over the past few months against any opposition?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Mohammad Rizwan's recent scores versus New Zealand A and England Lions in 50 over games:
    105*, 34, 116*, 11*, 98, 141* and 73

    Total of 578 runs
    Average of 192.67
    And, I am sure SR will also be well over 100 - remarkable for a No. 4 to manage 100+/100+ stats for a No. 4, for such volume of runs. If Sarfraz wasnít Captain, by now even Inzamam would have called Rizwan for deciding 3rd Test!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    And, I am sure SR will also be well over 100 - remarkable for a No. 4 to manage 100+/100+ stats for a No. 4, for such volume of runs. If Sarfraz wasn’t Captain, by now even Inzamam would have called Rizwan for deciding 3rd Test!!!!!
    Rizwan needs to replace Sarfraz asap in ODIs and probably Tests too.

    If not permanent then temporarily to bench him.

    But, do keep in mind that Riz too is a poor quality batsman.

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    Drop Imam open with babar and play Rizwan



    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    His average and SR is astonishing if you remove his previous ODI performances.

    the benefits of having him bat in the top 5:

    Excellent player under pressure.
    Back up WK
    Rotates the strike very well.
    Has a good SR.

    I reckon he should play as a specialist batsman in the PAK side at number 5.

    He should NOT bat below 5 to accomodate Hafeez and Malik.We already wasted him by playing him in that position.
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    He's is in great form. He doesn't need to be in the A team anymore. He needs to be playing international cricket so we can see if he's good enough or not. He should be in the next ODI squad and at least back up for Sarfraz in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Mohammad Rizwan's recent scores versus New Zealand A and England Lions in 50 over games:
    105*, 34, 116*, 11*, 98, 141* and 73

    Total of 578 runs
    Average of 192.67
    Amazing figures, but Sarfraz is still the " first choice" for the reasons only known to couple of people.

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    He has played multiple times as a batsman before. It wouldn't be surprising if this happens again.

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    Rizwan has to get an opportunity to play for Pakistan again. He's getting runs and needs to be given a chance.

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    Rizwan in this match 73 of 49 with 148.98 Strike Rate. He can play shots


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    Nope not good enough as a specialist batsman imo.

    I would rather have someone like Saud Shakeel and give him a long run as a specialist batsman.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    For those doubting rizwan, did you watch the last psl? He was the only shining light for Lahore in batting and even then they were only using him as a finisher when he was the only batsman in form

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastersaan10 View Post
    For those doubting rizwan, did you watch the last psl? He was the only shining light for Lahore in batting and even then they were only using him as a finisher when he was the only batsman in form
    Rizwan did not played for Lahore in last PSL.

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    Does he still have issues against leg spinners? He used to get dismissed against them in a matter of a few balls.

    Also had issues finding gaps during the period he lost his form. But it was mostly issue against leg spin/left arm spin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Nope not good enough as a specialist batsman imo.

    I would rather have someone like Saud Shakeel and give him a long run as a specialist batsman.
    Ignored the fact that he's a perfect replacement for Sarfraz right now.

    Immediate boost to a weak batting lineup and a decent WK. ODIs and Tests problem solved. At least of one position.

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    Captaincy privileges aside, there is no justification for Sarfraz keeping him out of the ODI team.

    A better batsman and keeper, and hardly any captain in the country would produce worse results than Sarfraz against top-flight opposition.

    However, that is fantasy talk. Sarfraz is not going anywhere, so Rizwan will have to find another spot in the team. I think Buttler is one barren series away from getting the chop. Also, with Malik and (probably) Hafeez retiring after the World Cup, Rizwan will almost certainly be among the 2-3 batsmen to get a run in the middle-order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Ignored the fact that he's a perfect replacement for Sarfraz right now.
    Bro thread is about Rizwan being a specialist batsman not a wk-batsman.

    In the wk thread i have already wrote about what i think him as a wk-batsman and who i think should replace (if any) Sarfraz as wk-batsman.

    I am sorry but you have reading problems too or a problem with me specifically ;)


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    A big No...
    Even after Hafeez & Malik retirement....
    He is a certified TTF...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastersaan10 View Post
    For those doubting rizwan, did you watch the last psl? He was the only shining light for Lahore in batting and even then they were only using him as a finisher when he was the only batsman in form
    Rizwan never played for Lahore in PSL and have been poor in PSL throughout. Dont remember any of his decent knocks in Psl.


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    Just watched the video. Rizwan looks in unbelievable touch. Can he find a place as a batsmen? I doubt because that will add pressure on him. Either he plays as a wicketkeeper or he doesnt play.

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    Need to see if he's improved against spin.

    Should be part of the squads though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Rizwan never played for Lahore in PSL.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul View Post


    oops my bad
    forgot to write in the last season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Need to see if he's improved against spin.

    Should be part of the squads though.
    That's the big question. Was as good as a tail-ender against spin the last time he played. Adil Rashid destroyed his reputation to pieces in the 2015 series.

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    The one who is much inferior keeper and batsman is not only in the national team but also captaining it. A younger, fitter and much better keeper and batsman waiting for his chance for last 4-5 years. Inzi is a great selector, really.

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    In the ODI side but will he get a chance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    In the ODI side but will he get a chance?
    Hope so, we need that extra bit of dynamism and drive to push the bowlers around in the middle order that Rizwan possesses.


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    Neither he or sarfaz can bat below 5.
    I cant actually wait to see this team lost world cup
    1 Shan
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    4 haris.
    5 Rizwan.
    6 Asif Ali ( should never have been dropped- ridiculous decision)
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    ^post world cup


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    He needs testing out. Unfortunately specialist captain will be carried to the WC, just in case he gets injured at the WC we need a able replacement and back up. Rizwan is a good gloveman. We need to see if his batting is good enough for international cricket.

    Even playing him the T20s will at least give us some indication. We can’t afford for him not to play any games at all. People will tell me he isn’t the answer, that maybe the case but we need to see if he has made the improvements or not. We have carried Sarfraz for 2 years so I don’t have an issue with giving Rizwan a few games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Neither he or Sarfaz can bat below 5.
    I cant actually wait to see this team post world cup
    1 Shan
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    5 Rizwan.
    6 Asif Ali ( should never have been dropped- ridiculous decision)
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    This is actually a decent team, good balance, but I don't think Talat is good enough as an all-rounder. Also, Saad Ali or Saud Shakeel should get a chance as ODI opener before Shan Masood who is quite a bit older.

    Hopefully Rizwan has improved because Sarfraz might not be there post-WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    This is actually a decent team, good balance, but I don't think Talat is good enough as an all-rounder. Also, Saad Ali or Saud Shakeel should get a chance as ODI opener before Shan Masood who is quite a bit older.

    Hopefully Rizwan has improved because Sarfraz might not be there post-WC.
    The good thing is we will hopefully see 1-3 and 7-11 anyway but the engine room if the batting and the hitter at 6 will be Malik sarfaraz hafeez.
    I will be liviid if sarfaraz doesn't bat at 4 or 5 and we see him at 6


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    Don't see him playing for Safaraz. But he might get a chance to play as a specialist batsman. He is competing with Talat for a chance.

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    Have doubts about his batting prowess, but one thing is for sure: Shadab and Rizwan in the same team will mean a Pakistan side that is electric in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    In the ODI side but will he get a chance?
    I think he can get a go as a specialist batsman for sure. I don't think he'll start the series as I'm sure both Hafeez and Malik will be included in the playing XI but I'm sure there could be a chance for him later in the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    The good thing is we will hopefully see 1-3 and 7-11 anyway but the engine room if the batting and the hitter at 6 will be Malik sarfaraz hafeez.
    I will be liviid if sarfaraz doesn't bat at 4 or 5 and we see him at 6
    Rizwan might be good enough for #5, but Sarfraz us better off at #6/7.

    Top 5 in ODIs is more important than power hitting and Sarfraz isn't good enough for even #5. His defensive technique against pace has regressed, is poor against the faster bowlers, and his stats are average-34 with only 2 hundreds. If Pakistan wants to get big scores in ODIs, then they need strokemakers with good techniques, not hacks like Sarfraz.

    Only reason I say Rizwan is better is because his technique is a bit more orthodox, so when he is in poor form it won't be as bad as Sarfraz.

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    I hope this batting has improved because a few years ago I seen Rizwan at the Old Trafford nets and he could not get bat on ball.

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    I don't think they will play him. Mainly because if he starts to get runs and performs well with the bat he will expected to become a member of the ODI line-up which could and probably will threaten Sarfaraz's position in the team.

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    I can see Asif Ali playing ahead of him. Sarfraz will hold Rizwan back as long as he can.

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    Rizwan overseas is a still a big question mark.
    Deserves to be in the squad no doubt but I don't know if they'll play him.

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    Saud Shakeel is more deserving to be on the squad imo. He is literally a younger version of Haris Sohail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aukhan View Post
    I can see Asif Ali playing ahead of him. Sarfraz will hold Rizwan back as long as he can.
    Asif Ali not being in the squad might be a bit of an issue.


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    I don't see him playing.
    He is a specialist traveller who is probably there to keep a little pressure on Sarfaraz but no real threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Rizwan might be good enough for #5, but Sarfraz us better off at #6/7.

    Top 5 in ODIs is more important than power hitting and Sarfraz isn't good enough for even #5. His defensive technique against pace has regressed, is poor against the faster bowlers, and his stats are average-34 with only 2 hundreds. If Pakistan wants to get big scores in ODIs, then they need strokemakers with good techniques, not hacks like Sarfraz.

    Only reason I say Rizwan is better is because his technique is a bit more orthodox, so when he is in poor form it won't be as bad as Sarfraz.
    He is an accumulator who can manouver the ball, especially with his sweep against spin. He can take spinners on in the middle but can not take on quicks at the death. Hence he needs to bat overs 20-40


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