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    'Bomb Under Your Burqa': Report Shows How Tilak Donning, Gun Worshipping Cops Threaten Muslims

    but hey there's Shahrukh Khan.

    New Delhi: If there is one thing that is common across all states where Muslim and police interact is the constant presence of "multi-layered bias" against the community and attempts to display the "heroic charisma of majoritarian view" through display of religious symbols or views, reveals a new report.

    Commonwealth Human Rights Initiative, led by former Chief Information Commissioner Wajahat Habibullah and QUILL, released a 50-page report which points at the several layers of bias the Muslims in India feel at the hands of the police force.

    The key findings of the report range from how police perceive Muslim-concentrated neighbourhoods as "mini Pakistan", constant display of Hindu religious practices and symbols in police stations are perceived with apprehension and discomfort, to attempts at damaging proliferation of local informer networks by the police, splitting the community against itself.

    In total, nearly 197 participants across Ahmedabad, Ranchi, Delhi, Lucknow, Bengaluru, Guwahati, Kozhikode, and Mumbai attended the consultation held for the report. The vast majority of these women and men were Muslims.

    CHRI also conducted one-to-one interviews with a total of 256 retired Muslim police personnel, all men.

    The report notes that police target and victimise Muslims based on their identity, revealing a distinct bias, "resulting in feelings that the community is often criminalised without basis, and kept in cycles of fear, intimidation, and the constant threat of being detained and abused".

    A candid confession of a police officer is also documented where the officer admits that the torture meted out to a Muslim is often much more even though the police know that the person is not the accused.

    Muslim women also expressed their difficulty of bearing the ‘double burden’ of being a Muslim and a woman, according to the report.

    Women distinctly felt their identity as Muslims was a primary reason for both "police indifference and bias towards them."

    They unanimously said that police attitude and behaviour is sharply prejudiced when women access the police wearing identity markers like burqa/hijab.


    "(The policemen) disregard us if they find out that we have come from a Muslim-dominated area, sometimes even threatening us that we will be beaten if we don’t leave. Once, they said, “burqa nikalo, kya bomb leka aaye ho kya? (Take off your veil; have you brought a bomb here?)”, said one of the interviewed Muslim women from Ahmedabad.

    Muslims, according to the report, feel further alienated and insecure while approaching the police for any remedy as the "display of Hindu religious symbols" and "pujas" performed inside the station cement the fact that there is no place for their grievance to be heard.

    A Mumbai-based respondent for the report says that the practice of policemen wearing tilaks have increased in the last two to three years.

    "There are pictures and idols (of Hindu gods) in police vehicles too. Such display of religious symbols make us feel alienated. We now see policemen applying tilaks. These practices of applying tilaks have increased in the last two years," said the respondent.

    Apart from this regular "Shani Pujas", worshipping the arms, etc is a regular affair, across all the police stations, notes the report.

    The report also looks at the aspect of continuous attempts to push the community into ghettos where the incidents of bias and torture are manifold.

    Across almost all the cities the team visited, it noted that the "repeated complaint of the pejorative characterisation of Muslim areas as ‘mini-Pakistan’, lending insight into how the community believes itself to be viewed by the police."

    "It is not limited to being seen as coming from a crime-infested locality, but extends to being viewed as potentially anti-national, separate from the mainstream and feeling that your loyalty is always suspect," states the report.

    “During Ramzan, a Hindu baraat halted before a mosque for a long time, and this turned into a chaotic scuffle. The police had to come in to control the situation. They arrested 78 Muslim youth, but only one Hindu person," said a Muslim resident from Ranchi.

    The Muslims across India also revealed that the police attempt to divide the community by placing informers within the community. A deeper sense of ‘being watched’ by the state, through the "intrusive medium of police informers or ‘mukhbirs’," was repeated across states.

    It also emerged that there is an increased presence of informers cultivated by the police at local levels, and many of them are Muslims themselves. One of the respondents also stated how an informer had "live telecasted" an entire speech from a social gathering in the community to the local SHO.

    The report has now urged Parliament to enact torture prevention legislation and also implement the Amendment of the Presidential Orders of 1950 and 1951 to include Dalit Muslims.

    CHRI and QUILL also recommends that Equal Opportunity Commission bill as drafted by the expert group appointed by Ministry of Minority Affairs should be placed before the parliament with no more delay.

    The report also makes a case for more recruitment of Muslims in the police force but notes that according to 2013 figures, "excluding the number of Muslims in the Jammu & Kashmir Police, the total representation of Muslims in police services was a meagre 3.14% of the total police strength in the country."
    https://www.news18.com/news/india/bo...a-1964495.html

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    Indian policeman applying Tilaks and performing pujaa inside Police Stations

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    what's particularly interesting is the following, I thought that Indians didn't care about PK, but nearly EVERYWHERE a recurrent complaint was that Hindu nationalist policemen see "mini Pakistan's" ? @Hitman @Madplayer @Cpt. Rishwat

    Across almost all the cities the team visited, it noted that the "repeated complaint of the pejorative characterisation of Muslim areas as ‘mini-Pakistan’, lending insight into how the community believes itself to be viewed by the police."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafeezrocks View Post
    Indian policeman applying Tilaks and performing pujaa inside Police Stations
    Why are you acting surprised. did you expect the police to be secular? the police is the most communal institution in india. no wonder they are never able to stop riots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    what's particularly interesting is the following, I thought that Indians didn't care about PK, but nearly EVERYWHERE a recurrent complaint was that Hindu nationalist policemen see "mini Pakistan's" ? @Hitman @Madplayer @Cpt. Rishwat
    I see you tagged in Hitman, but he already told us many times that Indian Muslims love their country and are equally loved and cherished by the majority Indians. When police are applying tillaks it is to purify the Muslims and bring them out of the clutches of Pakistan and initiate the journey of ghar wapisi..


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    A report based on 197 respondents and 256 policemen conducted by a NGO.lol.

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    So this ngo wants hindus to stop pujas and leave their religion. Will they ask muslims to stop offering namaz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    A report based on 197 respondents and 256 policemen conducted by a NGO.lol.
    that's how statistics work, you take representative samples, while the NGO is one of the most respectable in this field. Wajahat Habibullah has been chairperson of the National Commission for Minorities, and once he even said his life mission was to transform Kashmiris into patriotic Indians (and that he failed), so you should like him as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So this ngo wants hindus to stop pujas and leave their religion. Will they ask muslims to stop offering namaz?
    showing Hindu signs/symbols in this context is not only about manifesting one's religiosity but about the weaponization of Hinduism in order to specifically alienate Muslims. Read the text completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    what's particularly interesting is the following, I thought that Indians didn't care about PK, but nearly EVERYWHERE a recurrent complaint was that Hindu nationalist policemen see "mini Pakistan's" ? @Hitman @Madplayer @Cpt. Rishwat
    "Inko Pakistan bhejo" is said more frequently by Hindu nationalists than many Indians would like to admit.

    Generally there is a consensus among Hindu nationalists that muslims took a seperate country in 1947 and hence no muslims belonged in India after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    "Inko Pakistan bhejo" is said more frequently by Hindu nationalists than many Indians would like to admit.

    Generally there is a consensus among Hindu nationalists that muslims took a seperate country in 1947 and hence no muslims belonged in India after that.
    This is not true. the indian nationalists say this to even hindus, so it proves they are secular and their only criteria is patriotism, not religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    This is not true. the indian nationalists say this to even hindus, so it proves they are secular and their only criteria is patriotism, not religion.
    What i am saying is that It means they have a problem with Pakistan even though they say they dont care about Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    that's how statistics work, you take representative samples, while the NGO is one of the most respectable in this field. Wajahat Habibullah has been chairperson of the National Commission for Minorities, and once he even said his life mission was to transform Kashmiris into patriotic Indians (and that he failed), so you should like him as well.



    showing Hindu signs/symbols in this context is not only about manifesting one's religiosity but about the weaponization of Hinduism in order to specifically alienate Muslims. Read the text completely.
    India gives freedom of religion. Every indian is free to worship or wear any religious symbol they want.

    A little known NGO doing a report on basis of 197 people has little value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    What i am saying is that It means they have a problem with Pakistan even though they say they dont care about Pakistan.
    that is hardly an exposé. the indian posters here don't leave any doubt.

    so you agree the indian nationalists are secular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India gives freedom of religion. Every indian is free to worship or wear any religious symbol they want.

    A little known NGO doing a report on basis of 197 people has little value.
    again it's not about freedom of religion at all but the use and misuse of the dominant faith (Hinduism)'s symbolic in order to target a minority religion (Islam) and its members.

    I'm telling you all of this again because apparently you didn't read the article.

    Also the "little known NGO" is widely known while the man behind it had held important positions in India itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India gives freedom of religion. Every indian is free to worship or wear any religious symbol they want.

    A little known NGO doing a report on basis of 197 people has little value.
    This is like Pakistan, there every non-Muslim is free to worship and wear any religious symbol they want, and in fact buy and eat pork should they wish to, despite the claims in the other thread. This is great, isn't it progress that both India and your neighbours aren't so far apart after all?


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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    again it's not about freedom of religion at all but the use and misuse of the dominant faith (Hinduism)'s symbolic in order to target a minority religion (Islam) and its members.

    I'm telling you all of this again because apparently you didn't read the article.

    Also the "little known NGO" is widely known while the man behind it had held important positions in India itself.
    just read the article, it only exposes the hinduphobia of the respondents, who feel threatened by hindu symbols.

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    I find that extremist Hindus are too good in making lame excuses for all the crimes that they commit against the humanity.

    BJP and RSS Hindus actually present themselves as the victims. And Muslims are normally the bogeyman. They want to take revenge of Mughal Era and Ghaznavi Era.

    And it is not only the Police which has been infected with this Hindu Extremism, but CBI is also working full time for BJP and RSS.

    Even the Indian Judiciary is also feeling the heat of this Hindu extremism.

    Indian Supreme Court is showing some resistance, but extremist Hindus have already taken seats in the lower courts as judges.

    Indian Army is still largely a secular organisation (Top Officers). I don't know about the lower ranking officers and Jawans though.

    Media Houses are fully backing BJP as if Modi have bought them all, except for few like NDTV. There are many writers though, who are resisting against this Hindu extremism.

    Bollywood is still showing resistance against right wing policies and still shows left wing leanings. And for that, Hindu extremists abuse Bollywood a lot.


    Extremism is bad. Either it is a Hindu extremist, or Muslim extremist, or Christian extremist, or Buddhist extremist, all of them are the same. All of them are a shame for the humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    just read the article, it only exposes the hinduphobia of the respondents, who feel threatened by hindu symbols.
    Exactly this is a prime example of how Hindu Extremists make lame excuses for their crimes against the Humanity.

    And also an example how these Hindu Extremists pose themselves to be the victims. Here this person is not criticizing the extremist fanatic attitude of police, but posing the police as innocent and telling us that Propaganda has been done against this innocent Police while people are suffering from Hinduphobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmi View Post
    Exactly this is a prime example of how Hindu Extremists make lame excuses for their crimes against the Humanity.

    And also an example how these Hindu Extremists pose themselves to be the victims. Here this person is not criticizing the extremist fanatic attitude of police, but posing the police as innocent and telling us that Propaganda has been done against this innocent Police while people are suffering from Hinduphobia.
    It is your prejudice which is making you to hurl words to discredit someone. just read the article. the respondents feel threatened by hindu symbolisms, that is textbook hinduphobia. i don't care if you think otherwise, truth remains truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    just read the article, it only exposes the hinduphobia of the respondents, who feel threatened by hindu symbols.
    Hindu symbols are everywhere in India, beginning with its flag, they have nothing to fear of Hinduphobia in a Hindu dominated society unless they're insecure, here the problem is the addition to the Hindu symbolic of a toxic form of Hindu nationalism democratically shared by a large contingent of the security forces - as per the report - in the increasingly radicalized society, and mobilized to alienate Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    It is your prejudice which is making you to hurl words to discredit someone. just read the article. the respondents feel threatened by hindu symbolisms, that is textbook hinduphobia. i don't care if you think otherwise, truth remains truth.
    Yes, please keep on playing your game of blaming others and posing yourself as victim. You cannot keep on making world a fool longer.

    And I request all the members to please see the following Video.

    We all know that Saffron Brigade of RSS Hindu Fanatics beat and kill the Muslim boys if they try to date a Hindu girl.

    But the following video is unique in a way that it is the Hindu Indian Police which is beating not only the Muslim boy, but they are also beating the poor Hindu girl like an animal for crime of studying together with a Muslim boy of her class.



    There is nothing worse when even the State organisations like Police become themselves the worse religious fanatics.

    And then Indian friends come here and claim Muslims face no discrimination in India. My foot.
    Last edited by Azmi; 8th December 2018 at 17:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    Hindu symbols are everywhere in India, beginning with its flag, they have nothing to fear of Hinduphobia in a Hindu dominated society unless they're insecure, here the problem is the addition to the Hindu symbolic of a toxic form of Hindu nationalism democratically shared by a large contingent of the security forces - as per the report - in the increasingly radicalized society, and mobilized to alienate Muslims.
    shows that you are talking crap as usual. the only symbol on the flag is that of buddhism, which shows how much importance minority religion is treated.

    thanks for sharing the article, didn't know how deep hinduphobia is. imagine people being afraid of cops practicing their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmi View Post
    Yes, please keep on playing your game of blaming others and posing yourself as victim. You cannot keep on making world a fool longer.

    And I request all the members to please see the following Video.

    We all know that Saffron Brigade of RSS Hindu Fanatics beat and kill the Muslim boys if they try to date a Hindu girl.

    There is nothing worse when even the State organisations like Police become themselves the worse religious fanatics.
    Outliers exist everywhere. one video doesn't prove anything. sure there are hindu fanatics, but they are not true hindus. true hindus are never violent. but why are you diverting the topic. stick to the topic, and tell me how it is not hinduphobic to be threatened by a mark on the forehead, which is one of the basic things hindus do. isnt it islamophobia to be afraid of skull cap or beard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Outliers exist everywhere. one video doesn't prove anything. sure there are hindu fanatics, but they are not true hindus. true hindus are never violent. but why are you diverting the topic. stick to the topic, and tell me how it is not hinduphobic to be threatened by a mark on the forehead, which is one of the basic things hindus do. isnt it islamophobia to be afraid of skull cap or beard?
    It is not a one video, but it is a normal attitude of Indian Police under BJP. Look at the role of the Police in the riots.

    I am not calling Indian Police to be an extremist on the bases of their Talak or Puja, but it is on the bases of their overall behaviour, which is not free of prejudice.

    Normal Hindus are indeed not violent, but this could absolutely not be said about the Saffron Brigade.

    And I believe that ideally in a Secular State, the Hindu Talak or Arti or idols of Hindu gods, or Muslim Topi or Muslim beard or Burqa or Hijab should have no place in the government organisations.

    One the other hand, if Pakistani Police is allowed to offer their prayers during their duty, then what is wrong if Hindu Police also starts doing Puja?

    But I am against both.

    China is doing the right thing. Muslim Government Officers are not allowed to fast or do any religious activities during their Duty. But they are free to practice their religion at their homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    shows that you are talking crap as usual. the only symbol on the flag is that of buddhism, which shows how much importance minority religion is treated.

    thanks for sharing the article, didn't know how deep hinduphobia is. imagine people being afraid of cops practicing their religion.
    so these Hindu policemen just practice their Hinduism in peace and all these Muslims who speak of discrimination and militarization of Hindu symbolic against them are basically just all lying ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmi View Post
    It is not a one video, but it is a normal attitude of Indian Police under BJP. Look at the role of the Police in the riots.

    I am not calling Indian Police to be an extremist on the bases of their Talak or Puja, but it is on the bases of their overall behaviour, which is not free of prejudice.

    Normal Hindus are indeed not violent, but this could absolutely not be said about the Saffron Brigade.

    And I believe that ideally in a Secular State, the Hindu Talak or Arti or idols of Hindu gods, or Muslim Topi or Muslim beard or Burqa or Hijab should have no place in the government organisations.

    One the other hand, if Pakistani Police is allowed to offer their prayers during their duty, then what is wrong if Hindu Police also starts doing Puja?

    But I am against both.

    China is doing the right thing. Muslim Government Officers are not allowed to fast or do any religious activities during their Duty. But they are free to practice their religion at their homes.
    oh so you are an atheist extremist unlike enkidu, who is an islamist. but both hate hindu religion and i am the only tolerant person here who doesn't hate any religion, but believes all religions should be allowed to be practiced in public or private, so i am morally superior to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    so these Hindu policemen just practice their Hinduism in peace and all these Muslims who speak of discrimination and militarization of Hindu symbolic against them are basically just all lying ?
    being afraid of hindus wearing a mark on their forehead is hinduphobia. whether you agree or not is not my concern, as your anti hindu bias is well known. nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    oh so you are an atheist extremist unlike enkidu, who is an islamist. but both hate hindu religion and i am the only tolerant person here who doesn't hate any religion, but believes all religions should be allowed to be practiced in public or private, so i am morally superior to you.
    You are morally empty actually if you come up with lame excuses to defend the wrong doings of the fanatic Hindu Police behaviour.

    Practising your religion during duty is not important, but the most important thing is this that they have to serve ALL the humans from all the religions equally.

    But Indian police is not doing their prime job rightly under the BJP rule.

    In which state of your mind would you believe that Police under Yogi is ever going to fairly and justly behave with Muslims?

    The article was showing all these facts in the report. But in order to defend the fanatic Hindu police behaviour, you took only only point, and started blaming all the facts in the report to be hinduphobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    being afraid of hindus wearing a mark on their forehead is hinduphobia.
    It is not about a normal Hindu wearing a Talak, but a police officer wearing Talak and doing Puja of his gods.

    I could only tell you about human nature.

    If a blasphemy case is registered against me in Pakistan, then I would always fear if the investigation officer has a long beard, and who is showing his religious behaviour all over.

    There is always a clash between religion and Secular laws.

    Religion will always demand you to be FIRST Hind/Muslim and then a human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmi View Post

    I could only tell you about human nature.

    If a blasphemy case is registered against me in Pakistan, then I would always fear if the investigation officer has a long beard, and who is showing his religious behaviour all over.
    that says more about you than the officer if you have preconceived premature prejudices. lol at teaching about human nature when you are not aware of your own prejudices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    that says more about you than the officer if you have preconceived premature prejudices. lol at teaching about human nature when you are not aware of your own prejudices.
    No, it is known as "Awareness of Ground Realities".

    We are not talking here about the Western True Secular Societies, where you are taught from the beginning that Humanity comes FIRST than any religion or race.

    But we are talking about the half primitive societies where it has been taught right from the beginning that Religion come First and humanity later.

    You could be worry free if you know that the System really works and able to provide the Justice. Even if the investigating officer has prejudice, still system could negate it's effect.

    But in societies, if the Police officer does not do his duty properly and don't protect you, then the Mob will do injustice to you and kill you at the spot. And if the police officer register a case against you for blasphemy, then you go to jail for 8 to 10 years, just like Asia Bibi.


    And lastly, once again let me mention your intentional mistake, where you are trying your best to defend the wrong doings of the Indian Police by sticking to only one point of this report, and even trying to present the police as victim.

    Let us hope one day you become able to do the Justice, and you raise your voice at the plight of the Muslim at the hands of the Police and extremist Hindus.


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