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    New Zealand got Test status in 1930 and won its first ever Test series after 39 years

    New Zealand recently made history of winning Away Test Series against Pakistan after 49 years.

    But the real statistic is rather shocking. New zealand acquired Test Status in 1930. They had to wait 39 years to win its first ever Test Series and ironically it was against Pakistan in Pakistan in 1969.

    Before that Kiwiz had never won a SINGLE Test Series either home or away against any nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    New Zealand recently made history of winning Away Test Series against Pakistan after 49 years.

    But the real statistic is rather shocking. New zealand acquired Test Status in 1930. They had to wait 39 years to win its first ever Test Series and ironically it was against Pakistan in Pakistan in 1969.

    Before that Kiwiz had never won a SINGLE Test Series either home or away against any nation.
    One word: Rugby


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    One word: Rugby
    One sentence

    Simply not good enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    One sentence

    Simply not good enough
    They are actually very good considering that they are more of a Rugby obsessed nation than Pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    They are actually very good considering that they are more of a Rugby obsessed nation than Pakistan.
    Spot on

    NZ with their small population are arguable the greatest sports nation considering how they always rule the rugby world and since they found Williamson and Boult in the 2010s become a world class cricket side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    One word: Rugby
    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    They are actually very good considering that they are more of a Rugby obsessed nation than Pakistan.
    England is Football obsessed
    Australia is AFL Obsessed Aussie rules footie
    South Africa is Football obsessed

    Indo pak were hockey obsessed till early 1980s.

    Westindies Basket ball obsessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    England is Football obsessed
    Australia is AFL Obsessed Aussie rules footie
    South Africa is Football obsessed

    Indo pak were hockey obsessed till early 1980’s.

    Westindies Basket ball obsessed.
    And all of those countries have populations many multitiudes bigger than NZ so your comparison is invalid.

    NZ's achievements are incredible when you think about it. Many Olympic medals, cricketing success, rugby domination, even football world cups on occasion they qualify for. All with a population a quarter of Mumbai's.


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    No matter whether the 70s or the 21st century team Pakistan always their to help the small guys to break if their shell and take off.

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    Interesting fact. I dont think we should compare these two eras and this should not be the benchmark for other nations. With the amount of cricket being played these days, media coverage and ICC support, nations should not take 39 years to win their first ever series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    And all of those countries have populations many multitiudes bigger than NZ so your comparison is invalid.

    NZ's achievements are incredible when you think about it. Many Olympic medals, cricketing success, rugby domination, even football world cups on occasion they qualify for. All with a population a quarter of Mumbai's.
    Jack of all trades master of none. ( apart from rugby ofcourse).

    Uruguay population is less than Nzl. They have won 2 world cups in football. Football wcup is most difficult to win on planet. Polulation size does not matter at all at all at all.

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    Since we're talking about other sports as well, here's another shocking statistic: Pakistan, with 200 million people, hasn't won an Olympic medal in a quarter of a century, and are ranked 7th (out of 12) in the only sport they're currently competitive in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    And all of those countries have populations many multitiudes bigger than NZ so your comparison is invalid.

    NZ's achievements are incredible when you think about it. Many Olympic medals, cricketing success, rugby domination, even football world cups on occasion they qualify for. All with a population a quarter of Mumbai's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    Jack of all trades master of none. ( apart from rugby ofcourse).

    Uruguay population is less than Nzl. They have won 2 world cups in football. Football wcup is most difficult to win on planet. Polulation size does not matter at all at all at all.
    Pakistan has won 4 Hockey World Cups
    1 Cricket world cup
    ICC champions trophy
    Test mace and t20 world cup

    3 Hockey olympic gold medals and 3 champions trophy

    World champions in squash for 20 years straight.

    And we are a developing country, i will rather praise my own nation rather than signing the songs of other countries. By the way pak only lost 1 home test series from 1969-1995. 26 years and only 1 loss at home and kiwiz didnt even win a single test series from 1930-1969. I am fine with pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    Jack of all trades master of none. ( apart from rugby ofcourse).

    Uruguay population is less than Nzl. They have won 2 world cups in football. Football wcup is most difficult to win on planet. Polulation size does not matter at all at all at all.
    Lol so they are a master of a trade.

    Uruguays WC wins came in the 1930's when the sport was in its infancy and the standard of sport was significantly lower due to the lack of a professional structure.

    You're deluded if you think population plays no role, quit while you're ahead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    And all of those countries have populations many multitiudes bigger than NZ so your comparison is invalid.

    NZ's achievements are incredible when you think about it. Many Olympic medals, cricketing success, rugby domination, even football world cups on occasion they qualify for. All with a population a quarter of Mumbai's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    Jack of all trades master of none. ( apart from rugby ofcourse).

    Uruguay population is less than Nzl. They have won 2 world cups in football. Football wcup is most difficult to win on planet. Polulation size does not matter at all at all at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Lol so they are a master of a trade.

    Uruguays WC wins came in the 1930's when the sport was in its infancy and the standard of sport was significantly lower due to the lack of a professional structure.

    You're deluded if you think population plays no role, quit while you're ahead.
    Uruguay won its 2nd world cup in 1950 in Brazils epic Maracana in front of 199500 people. In history of sport that is the highest ever attended match and by the way uruguay were 20/1 to win the final ( dark horse) they also played in 1970 and 2010 semi finals. Your facts are not that correct.

    As for new zealand they are genuine chokers.
    Even in rugby they choked in 1999/2003/2007. They lost to france in 1999 epic semi final upset. And in cricket they have lost 6 semi finals lol in world cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Lol so they are a master of a trade.

    Uruguays WC wins came in the 1930's when the sport was in its infancy and the standard of sport was significantly lower due to the lack of a professional structure.

    You're deluded if you think population plays no role, quit while you're ahead.
    Population does play a role but so does the economic and social situation of the county. Its pointless to compare two different countries in sports.

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    The obvious population debate aside it is rugby that hits our cricket talent pool big time.

    Most talented young kids in NZ play rugby in winter and cricket in summer. Rugby has always been a more lucrative pathway untill recently. There is also the massive draw of the cultural icon that is the all black jersey.

    I went to perhaps the most successful cricket school in NZ in recent times. Of our top cricket side in my year only 1 went on to play regular first class cricket (and tests) and 4 or 5 went on to play professional rugby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    The obvious population debate aside it is rugby that hits our cricket talent pool big time.

    Most talented young kids in NZ play rugby in winter and cricket in summer. Rugby has always been a more lucrative pathway untill recently. There is also the massive draw of the cultural icon that is the all black jersey.

    I went to perhaps the most successful cricket school in NZ in recent times. Of our top cricket side in my year only 1 went on to play regular first class cricket (and tests) and 4 or 5 went on to play professional rugby.
    Kudos to the NZ cricket team for being so remarkable despite facing a severe shortage of talent.

    Kane Williamson is a great leader of men!

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    That was a different era, cricket has changed drastically since 1990s. No new team would take 40 years to win their first ever series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Kudos to the NZ cricket team for being so remarkable despite facing a severe shortage of talent.

    Kane Williamson is a great leader of men!
    Yeah we are really blessed currently to have great depth in our seam attack and two of our best ever batsman playing together. I do worry about when Ross retires though we dont have an abundance of batting talent waiting in the wings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Population does play a role but so does the economic and social situation of the county. Its pointless to compare two different countries in sports.
    I agree slightly.

    In some ways being a poorer underdeveloped economy is significantly beneficial to a cricketing landscape, even if its not for the country overall. Lemme explain.

    ICC funding which makes up the majority of income for the majority of cricket boards, is paid in US Dollars. Being a very poor economy can mean the difference between affording a fully professional domestic setup and not being able to afford it.

    Look at Ireland and Afghanistan. They receive the exact same funding from the ICC and the latter has a significantly larger cricketing fanbase but the finances are still the same. Afghanistan, with their funding, in a country where the GDP per capita is 600 dollars per year, can afford to have 200 domestic professional cricketers, people who's sole job is to play and train cricket. This naturally will lead to talented cricketers being churned out, whish explains Afghanistans continuing improvements.

    In a poor economy, this guaranteed regular ICC funding makes the sport an attractive job prospect. Not so in Ireland. Ireland, outside of the top 15 who make the senior side and a handful of youngsters trying to break into that 15, have zero fully professional domestic cricketers. Zero, NZ from what I can see, although their funding is vastly bigger than Ireland or Afghanistan, suffer from a similar problem Ireland does, its a wealthy country which makes it expensive, which makes the funding disappear quicker which makes the sport as a livelihood less attractive which makes it struggle to attract people to dedicate to it as a job. I'd guess most NZ domestic cricketers are either a) young guys in college looking to break the national setup b) guys on the fringe of the national setup receiving a solid wage c) the majority, guys who are and wont be good enough internationally, but are solid FC cricketers, who are on either semi pro on summer cricketing contracts or on around an average national wage. Admittedly, Im clueless re this for NZ, maybe @Space Cat can help.

    To put it simply, a poor economic situation means a cricket club can offer a guy in Afghanistan 1000 dollars a year and he'd probably be fairly well off and happy. In Ireland thatd be a weekly salary, for a professional sportsperson a pretty crappy one compared to the rugby guys who can earn upwards of half a million if they reach an elite level, plus sponsorship.

    In short I think Ireland and NZ have it doubly bad, the smaller population makes it harder for quality to emerge. On the plus side the lower player pool means players who are of quality receive greater coaching and emphasis than they would elsewhere. But, the wealth of these countries means that they are, on a cricketing perspective purely, significantly poorer than the subcontinental brethren as they have to pay hugely higher living costs for their domestic cricketers.

    I'm not referring to international players here, obviously all international cricketers globally earn a decent packet, but rather the domestic guys without whom no cricketing system really functions. You need your hard grafters domestically to be there to keep standards up and the pipeline running, if you cant pay them enough, they wont stick around, and thats where being economically wealthy is actually a hindrance from a sporting growth perspective IMO.

    Plus as Space Cat pointed out, many many a talented young pacer or batsmen here, like in NZ, is taken by rugby or other sports due to the significantly higher popularity of the sport and much greater financial power they boast.


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    Can anyone here tell me what the average Ranji cricketer in India would earn in dollars out of curiosity? Or in Pakistan? Not national players, guys who are just domestic level.


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    NZ has only 5 million people, and they are competitive in almost every sports, amazing country as well.

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    Was this post made to justify pathetic test status of Bangladesh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Can anyone here tell me what the average Ranji cricketer in India would earn in dollars out of curiosity? Or in Pakistan? Not national players, guys who are just domestic level.
    Per day match fees for FC and List A domestic cricket is INR 35K ($500). For T20s, it is INR 17.5K($250). A Ranji team plays average 10 FC matches, 7-8 List A and T20s each in a season. So a regular player earns roughly INR 1.5 mil ($22k) in addition to the prize money.

    Some state associations have annual contracts and also share sponsorship fees with players. Put together that will come to around INR 2 mil ( $30k).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    They are actually very good considering that they are more of a Rugby obsessed nation than Pakistan.
    4.5 million population... greatest team in rugby... does pretty well in almost all other sports.. what else should any one expect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Per day match fees for FC and List A domestic cricket is INR 35K ($500). For T20s, it is INR 17.5K($250). A Ranji team plays average 10 FC matches, 7-8 List A and T20s each in a season. So a regular player earns roughly INR 1.5 mil ($22k) in addition to the prize money.

    Some state associations have annual contracts and also share sponsorship fees with players. Put together that will come to around INR 2 mil ( $30k).
    Thanks for the info, and it pretty much proves my point. India, the wealthiest of all cricket nations from a funding perspective, and the top domestic guys earn about 30k dollars. To put it into perspective my graduate contract starting next year converted to dollars is pretty much bang on 30k. And thats probably a decent salary in India (?) whereas here it'd be below the average salary of anyone in a professional field.

    Obviously whole host of other factors at play but I think my point is verified, due to funding being in US Dollars being an economically poor country is a huge strength in terms of producing quality cricketers. The money goes a long way further.


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    We did lot better. We won our first series just after 5 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    We did lot better. We won our first series just after 5 years
    You were also part of India(original) and Pakistan (47-71). So all our failures and successes in that time are yours too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    You were also part of India(original) and Pakistan (47-71). So all our failures and successes in that time are yours too.
    So we won long before 2005,that's good

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    Quote Originally Posted by todfod 11 View Post
    4.5 million population... greatest team in rugby... does pretty well in almost all other sports.. what else should any one expect.
    Lol 5 million New Zealanders have won more Olympics gold medals than 1.7 billion people from all the sub continent countries combined.

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    If NZ beats Sri Lanka 2-0 as expected, the Kiwis will go to no 2 in the test rankings

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    At the 2016 Olympics NZ got 18 medals (4 gold, 9 silver, 5 bronze)

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    There are so many trash teams today, winning a series shouldn't be a big deal. Things weren't the same in early 1900s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    We did lot better. We won our first series just after 5 years
    Always about the number of matches. From 1930 to 1950, NZ played 20 tests, from 1950-60 29 tests. That’s 30 years, 49 tests perhaps across 3 generations of cricketers.

    BD would have played 49 tests in first 5-6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Always about the number of matches. From 1930 to 1950, NZ played 20 tests, from 1950-60 29 tests. That’s 30 years, 49 tests perhaps across 3 generations of cricketers.

    BD would have played 49 tests in first 5-6 years.
    NZ played 92 test matches before their first series win in 1969/70. That's a huge number of tests in any aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    Pakistan has won 4 Hockey World Cups
    1 Cricket world cup
    ICC champions trophy
    Test mace and t20 world cup

    3 Hockey olympic gold medals and 3 champions trophy

    World champions in squash for 20 years straight.

    And we are a developing country, i will rather praise my own nation rather than signing the songs of other countries. By the way pak only lost 1 home test series from 1969-1995. 26 years and only 1 loss at home and kiwiz didnt even win a single test series from 1930-1969. I am fine with pakistan.
    Haha Pakistan have a population of around 200 million people, & NZ 4.5 million and yet off the top of my head;

    New Zealand:

    3 times Rugby World cup winners
    47 Olympics Gold medals (including big events like the 1500 meters 3 times, Hockey gold (since you claimed it), cycling, rowing kayaking, canoeing, equestrian, triathlon, boxing, athletics, sailing)
    Rugby league World cup winners
    Rugby 7s world cups )too many too remember)
    Netball world cup winners twice
    America Cup winner 3 times (worlds most prestigious sailing event)
    4 time Whitbread round the world yachting (2nd most prestigious)
    Consistently dominate in world rowing champs, world cycling champs, women's and men shot put
    Winners US & British golf opens
    Dominated Triathlon for years
    Mens and Womens world squash champs (since you mentioned it Susan Devoy won the womens for years and our guy beat your legend in 1986)
    4th place world basketball world champs
    World no 1 female golfer
    World boxing titles
    4 Wimbledon Tennis titles
    World bmx champions
    World snowboarding champion
    Unbeaten in the 2010 Soccer world cup and drew with Italy

    And biggest of all, if it's considered a sport, the first man to climb Mount Everest

    You can't seriously be comparing Pakistan sporting prowess with New Zealand's

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    I forgot NZ are 5-6 time world cup softball champs too

    Oh and Motor racer Scott Dixon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    I forgot NZ are 5-6 time world cup softball champs too

    Oh and Motor racer Scott Dixon
    New zealand = 0 cricket world cups
    0 t20 worldcups

    0 hockey world cups.

    In squash pak has been the best.

    And other sports which you mentioned we dont even play it.

    U r good in rugby only ( a recognized intl game).

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    Huh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    New zealand = 0 cricket world cups
    0 t20 worldcups

    0 hockey world cups.

    In squash pak has been the best.

    And other sports which you mentioned we dont even play it.

    U r good in rugby only ( a recognized intl game).
    Sarwar, you must be joking to think that Pakistan is anywhere close to New Zealand in sports! The gap is so wide, it's not even funny! Even in Squash and Hockey (counting both men and women teams), NZL is way ahead of Pakistan or India for that matter! And that's without even taking population difference of two countries into account!

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    Pakistan does play athletics, boxing, golf, rugby, mountain climbing, cycling etc. It's just not good enough to be in top 80 team in any of these sports!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    NZ played 92 test matches before their first series win in 1969/70. That's a huge number of tests in any aspect.
    They did not have the luxury of playing Zimbabwe.

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    NZ aren't cricket obsessed countries and face tiff competition from other sports.

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    New Zealanders are very good natural athletes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    Pakistan has won 4 Hockey World Cups
    1 Cricket world cup
    ICC champions trophy
    Test mace and t20 world cup

    3 Hockey olympic gold medals and 3 champions trophy

    World champions in squash for 20 years straight.

    And we are a developing country, i will rather praise my own nation rather than signing the songs of other countries. By the way pak only lost 1 home test series from 1969-1995. 26 years and only 1 loss at home and kiwiz didnt even win a single test series from 1930-1969. I am fine with pakistan.
    I am going to go out on a whim here and school you for a bit because sometimes its comments like yours that befuddle the nation into thinking nothing is bad and stagnate genuine progress.

    Firstly, we have been a developing country for the last 70 years and will continue to be a developing country for next 70 years. So lets not fool ourselves and stick out our chests based on the fact that we are a developing country because that clearly doesn't stick when you are a developing country after being independent for a good part of 70 years. China also gained independence 02 years after Pakistan and were a developing country who made giant strides in sports and are not a developing country anymore so our excuse is the flimsiest ever.

    If you want to parrot good things about your country, by all means do, (because we have many good things like incredible tourism potential, incredible history etc.) but taking the foolishness to another level is trying to pretend we are doing well in sports because we are developing is just a moot point when the development has only gone southward since 1947.

    Secondly, all the major achievements you talked about hockey, squash etc., were nearly 25 years ago. We even had something of a tennis thing going on 35 years ago. What has happened over the last 25 years has been an abysmal degradation of sporting capacity due to incompetence and lack of respect of changing trends and times.

    Sports has become an increasingly mechanical aspect and if you are going to be happy about what Pakistan did 25 or 30 years ago, its no wonder no one cares about modern sports and its development and potential.

    Thirdly, talking about cricket and the formats which are generally considered serious is ODI World Cup which we won something like 26 years ago and have no chance of winning since then. The importance of the Champions Trophy you are harping about is SO HIGH that it has been scrapped completely and no one cares about it because even West Indies managed to win it at a time when it had a ridiculous team.

    Leaving aside the 2009 T20 World Cup it has been 09 years since we won anything major.

    Sports in Pakistan is on a downward trend and cricket is just hanging on the barest of threads. To say we are better than NZ in sports is intellectual dishonesty and you are trying to either please yourself or trying to stay patriotic which is a good thing but when it becomes blind and unjust its called "chauvinism" and there is a very narrow line between it.

    I fear for the country which is churning out more misguided lost souls focused in the wrong direction anyways then focusing on sports which are a brilliant source of potential for any country but I'll stop now and let you be the judge of everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    New Zealand recently made history of winning Away Test Series against Pakistan after 49 years.

    But the real statistic is rather shocking. New zealand acquired Test Status in 1930. They had to wait 39 years to win its first ever Test Series and ironically it was against Pakistan in Pakistan in 1969.

    Before that Kiwiz had never won a SINGLE Test Series either home or away against any nation.
    How many test matches did it take for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    I am going to go out on a whim here and school you for a bit because sometimes its comments like yours that befuddle the nation into thinking nothing is bad and stagnate genuine progress.

    Firstly, we have been a developing country for the last 70 years and will continue to be a developing country for next 70 years. So lets not fool ourselves and stick out our chests based on the fact that we are a developing country because that clearly doesn't stick when you are a developing country after being independent for a good part of 70 years. China also gained independence 02 years after Pakistan and were a developing country who made giant strides in sports and are not a developing country anymore so our excuse is the flimsiest ever.

    If you want to parrot good things about your country, by all means do, (because we have many good things like incredible tourism potential, incredible history etc.) but taking the foolishness to another level is trying to pretend we are doing well in sports because we are developing is just a moot point when the development has only gone southward since 1947.

    Secondly, all the major achievements you talked about hockey, squash etc., were nearly 25 years ago. We even had something of a tennis thing going on 35 years ago. What has happened over the last 25 years has been an abysmal degradation of sporting capacity due to incompetence and lack of respect of changing trends and times.

    Sports has become an increasingly mechanical aspect and if you are going to be happy about what Pakistan did 25 or 30 years ago, its no wonder no one cares about modern sports and its development and potential.

    Thirdly, talking about cricket and the formats which are generally considered serious is ODI World Cup which we won something like 26 years ago and have no chance of winning since then. The importance of the Champions Trophy you are harping about is SO HIGH that it has been scrapped completely and no one cares about it because even West Indies managed to win it at a time when it had a ridiculous team.

    Leaving aside the 2009 T20 World Cup it has been 09 years since we won anything major.

    Sports in Pakistan is on a downward trend and cricket is just hanging on the barest of threads. To say we are better than NZ in sports is intellectual dishonesty and you are trying to either please yourself or trying to stay patriotic which is a good thing but when it becomes blind and unjust its called "chauvinism" and there is a very narrow line between it.

    I fear for the country which is churning out more misguided lost souls focused in the wrong direction anyways then focusing on sports which are a brilliant source of potential for any country but I'll stop now and let you be the judge of everything.
    You wrongly mentioned Pakistan has not won anything major since 2009. Before lecturing people, it is advisable to correct your own findings.

    Test Mace 2016 (first time since 1988).
    ICC Champions Trophy 2017.

    AND By the way World Cup is a world cup be it 26 years ago or be it 126 years ago.
    England still talks about the football world cup they won in 1966. And Aussies still talk about the 1882 Test series away win in England.

    What exactly is your point, anything won 50 or 100 or even 150 years does matter and is mentioned in history books. You can not deny that Pakistan has won 4 hockey world cups and no other country has won 4 so far.

    England or south africa or nzl have not won cricket world cup at all.

    Lecturing is good but needs substance in it. And yes i stick with my assessment New zealand has under achieved in football, cricket and field hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    You wrongly mentioned Pakistan has not won anything major since 2009. Before lecturing people, it is advisable to correct your own findings.

    Test Mace 2016 (first time since 1988).
    ICC Champions Trophy 2017.

    AND By the way World Cup is a world cup be it 26 years ago or be it 126 years ago.
    England still talks about the football world cup they won in 1966. And Aussies still talk about the 1882 Test series away win in England.

    What exactly is your point, anything won 50 or 100 or even 150 years does matter and is mentioned in history books. You can not deny that Pakistan has won 4 hockey world cups and no other country has won 4 so far.

    England or south africa or nzl have not won cricket world cup at all.

    Lecturing is good but needs substance in it. And yes i stick with my assessment New zealand has under achieved in football, cricket and field hockey.
    And no one takes those people seriously.

    What has happened has happened.

    NZ probably has more Olympic medals since its inception than Pakistan which tells the true sporting potential. Why I single out Olympics is that its the only event that has worldwide participation.

    Cricket is played by a handful of countries and so is Rugby even though NZ is attracted by rugby instead more than anything perhaps they have not achieved well in it.

    However, if you want to see true sporting heritage of a country, count the Olympic medals because that tells about the direction of sports in a country.

    When was the last time Pakistan won an Olympic medal? Compare that to NZ and then we can have a logical discussion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    And no one takes those people seriously.

    What has happened has happened.

    NZ probably has more Olympic medals since its inception than Pakistan which tells the true sporting potential. Why I single out Olympics is that its the only event that has worldwide participation.

    Cricket is played by a handful of countries and so is Rugby even though NZ is attracted by rugby instead more than anything perhaps they have not achieved well in it.

    However, if you want to see true sporting heritage of a country, count the Olympic medals because that tells about the direction of sports in a country.

    When was the last time Pakistan won an Olympic medal? Compare that to NZ and then we can have a logical discussion.
    My post and topic of this thread is not about Olympics it is about Cricket. Thankyou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarwar89 View Post
    My post and topic of this thread is not about Olympics it is about Cricket. Thankyou.
    Really?

    So it must have you been your duplicate that boasted about Pakistan's achievements in squash and hockey to argue that Pakistan is a better sporting country than NZ.

    At least if you cant convince others of the argument, be honest to yourself.


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    What a turn of events in a pretty useless thread.

    Kiwis & Aussies produce some of finest sports personalities and teams. Punching above their weight is an understatement.

    On the other hand, large countries like India and Pakistan are nothing short of disasters when it comes to sports.

    Plenty of factors like socio-economic conditions of the masses, sporting culture, infrastructure, corruption, nepotism, inept administrations etc. play a role in the failures but to take anything away from the people like Kiwis who win because of their hardwork and not because bigger countries give them a walkover is plain absurd. Arabs are prime example of lack of sporting culture.

    For India, the good news is that things are changing in a positive direction and results should be here in 10 years or so. For Pak, not so much.

    @Donal Cozzie since the cost of living is much much lower in India, the rule of thumb is that to multiply 4 or 5 to the 30,000 USD mentioned to get a somewhat accurate picture.


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