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    Can Cheteshwar Pujara emulate Younis Khan?

    I believe that Pujara is the logical successor of the Younis Khan school of cricket. Similarities being:

    - excellent against spin bowling, probably the best in the world for significant portions of their careers

    - dominant on Asian pitches, against pacers (mostly) and spinners (always) alike

    - not aesthetically pleasing but very gritty, patient, stubborn and determined, hard work and bloody mindedness compensates for lack of talent/flair compared to their peers

    - immense mental fortitude, deliver under pressure and disproportionately high number of clutch knocks

    - limited shotmaking range, sometimes entangled by genuine quicks but a unique survival ability even when they are made to look like novices by rampant bowlers

    - habit of daddy 100s and daddy series especially in SC like conditions

    - not good in white ball cricket

    - very dependable specialist catchers, YK in slips and Pujara in FSL/SP

    - pleasant on field demeanor, non confrontational and respectful towards the game and opponents, carry on with their jobs without indulging in bad blood or controversies

    - not given their due for a long time, had to work hard to change public perception

    I wouldn't have made such a thread in 2017 but Pujara finally seems to have solved his SENA problem. In all 3 of India's overseas victories this year, he has played a major role. YK wasn't at his best outside Asia but definitely better than Pujara who was going through a lean period in SENA after his terrific 2013 SA tour. But having made big strides to correct his record overseas, is the Indian finally back on track to claim an ATG status like the Pakistani legend?

    He is 30, so at least 4-5 more years at international level, may be more now that he has earned the confidence of the team management. He may fall short of YK's runs/100s tally but he should come close. To my mind he is the worthiest successor of Younis in the cricket world.

    What do you guys reckon? As an Indian fan I will be over the moon if he has a career that comes close to that of Younis Khan, not just statistically but also impact-wise.
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    He is compared with Dravid, and his performance in Adelaide were eerily similar to the batting performance of Dravid at the same venue in 2003-04.

    1. Dravid in 2003-04 and Pujara in 2018-19 rescued the team in the first innings when the first four wickets were down for very few runs.

    2. Both Dravid and Pujara top scored for their team in both the innings.

    3. Both were adjusted man of the match.

    4. Both had poor record in Australia till that time.

    5. Both were regarded as sheet anchors and slow batsmen in teams full of attractive stroke makers.

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    For that Pujara has to hit the small number of 34 centuries. What does he have now, 15? How many of them in 4th innings? How many of them in wins?

    Well, dicey.. isn't it? Younis had done it all. The greatest dare I say in Asian conditions, a certified all time great, and a top 10 batter overall. I wish good things for Pujara as he is one of the few likeable blokes in Indian team but he still hasn't achieved half od the great Khan in 75% of his completed career.



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    I have similar hopes from Pujara. Reaching ATG level seems beyond him at the moment, but he can certainly join greats like Younis, Waugh and Laxman.

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    He alreadt has been a Yoni mould batsman.

    India needs hin to turn into a Dravid. Last test was more closer to that role and its a good sign for India. Last thing India needs is Pujara to end up becoming an Indian Yoni.

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    All these comparisons are premature, Pujara has improved but his biggest test is in perth, pace pitch with bounce can he counter it and play well there. This pitch was up pujara's alley, slow pitch not much movement even if not easy to bat on.

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    Younis inspired by Dravid. PUjara is a bit like Dravid. Younis can be a little more flamebuyoant at times. Pujara is an old school batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    For that Pujara has to hit the small number of 34 centuries. What does he have now, 15? How many of them in 4th innings? How many of them in wins?

    Well, dicey.. isn't it? Younis had done it all. The greatest dare I say in Asian conditions, a certified all time great, and a top 10 batter overall. I wish good things for Pujara as he is one of the few likeable blokes in Indian team but he still hasn't achieved half od the great Khan in 75% of his completed career.



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    The bolded part was more hilarious than Pakistan's performance in Australia over the last 2 decades.

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    Younis Khan scores his runs briskly and at a good tempo in Asia and outside of Asia, whereas Pujara only scores at a decent SR when hes's in the SC.

    Bit disrespectful to associate Younis Khan's calibre with Pujara when he is nearly as good as Dravid, now you wouldn't say "Can Pujara emulate Dravid", would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Younis Khan scores his runs briskly and at a good tempo in Asia and outside of Asia, whereas Pujara only scores at a decent SR when hes's in the SC.

    Bit disrespectful to associate Younis Khan's calibre with Pujara when he is nearly as good as Dravid, now you wouldn't say "Can Pujara emulate Dravid", would you?
    Yes Younis Khan falls short of being an ATG but he certainly isn't the mere threshold of the world class tier of batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Yes Younis Khan falls short of being an ATG but he certainly isn't the mere threshold of the world class tier of batsmen.
    you ask the question and answered yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Yes Younis Khan falls short of being an ATG but he certainly isn't the mere threshold of the world class tier of batsmen.
    Very contradictory statements. Are you the same person?

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    Let him score some tons in the 4th inning 10k runs 34 tons a long way away ps Khan was way better @ rotating the strike & much better strike rate too but Pujara is more Azhar Ali mould.


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    Please for God sake, he should not try to emulate YK.

    While YK was good on Asian pitches, he was horrible outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Younis Khan scores his runs briskly and at a good tempo in Asia and outside of Asia, whereas Pujara only scores at a decent SR when hes's in the SC.

    Bit disrespectful to associate Younis Khan's calibre with Pujara when he is nearly as good as Dravid, now you wouldn't say "Can Pujara emulate Dravid", would you?
    Dravid is a different breed because he attained more success overseas than India. Younis and Pujara have most of their runs and 100s in familiar conditions. Had Rahane continued his 2013-15 form may be he could have been compared to Dravid but that wasn't the case. Pujara and YK are closer fits because majority portion of their legacy will be tied to their exploits in Asia.

    As I said in the OP, I wouldn't have made this comparison in 2017. But in England Pujara showed that he can dominate and take control of the match situation in SENA. That is why the question whether he can take this forward and emulate YK before retirement? YK was good in SENA but not outstanding like Sachin, so while it may be difficult certainly not impossible for Pujara to make amends in the right direction. Even YK made amends in SA and Australia only in his final years, can Pujara do something similar?

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    Doesn't have the ability to dominate once set like Younis, but there certainly are some similarities

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    Doesn't have the ability to dominate once set like Younis, but there certainly are some similarities
    Pujara can dominate once set in places like India, Sri Lanka. But on some occasions like Johannesburg 2013, Southampton 2018 he has shown that he can take the fight to the opponents. Even in this Adelaide test he started very slowly, was 19 (105) while team was tottering, but later he picked up and scored another 100+ at almost run a ball while batting with the tail. May be he will develop this aspect of his game in SENA with this newly developed confidence.

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    They are different players to be honest. I will expect Pujara to have more match defining knocks than YK in away conditions by the time he retires. YK didn't have technique to play in certain conditions, but mentally he was tough and able to hang in there.

    YK was more dominating in Asian conditions. Pujara can up and scoring in Asian conditions, but he is more classical mold.

    In short yes, he can emulate, but a long way to go. YK had a long and good career. Longevity is often understated here.


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    How was Younis performance in Aus , against such a bowling attack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    How was Younis performance in Aus , against such a bowling attack?
    YK scored a 175* in 2016. Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon played that match but if you consider conditions+bowling attack it was significantly easier than the one Pujara faced in this test.

    In the 2004-05 series he batted very well IMO. I watched that entire series and the Aussies were truly magnificent. They were at full strength (unlike our tour the previous year) and had both McGrath and Warne featured in all the tests. Pakistanis were brutally crushed but Younis showed great determination, had a huge partnership with MoYo in the Boxing Day test and narrowly missed out on a ton. So I'd say he did well then, he was banned by PCB during the 2010 tour so didn't play that series.

    In England and NZ, YK has done much better while I would give the edge to Pujara in SA. If Puji continues his rich vein of form in Australia over the next month he can surpass YK in that country but he needs to capitalize, his 2014-15 series was a shocker and amends need to be made !!!


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    YK missed the 2010 tour to Australia when he was also playing Sheild Cricket.

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    Dont compare pujara with younis khan..younis khans most of the centuries comes in asian condition..he is asian great..but pujara is different level player..by the time he retire he will have more centuries in overseas and retire by ATG

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    On his way, so yes I do agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    YK scored a 175* in 2016. Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon played that match but if you consider conditions+bowling attack it was significantly easier than the one Pujara faced in this test.

    In the 2004-05 series he batted very well IMO. I watched that entire series and the Aussies were truly magnificent. They were at full strength (unlike our tour the previous year) and had both McGrath and Warne featured in all the tests. Pakistanis were brutally crushed but Younis showed great determination, had a huge partnership with MoYo in the Boxing Day test and narrowly missed out on a ton. So I'd say he did well then, he was banned by PCB during the 2010 tour so didn't play that series.

    In England and NZ, YK has done much better while I would give the edge to Pujara in SA. If Puji continues his rich vein of form in Australia over the next month he can surpass YK in that country but he needs to capitalize, his 2014-15 series was a shocker and amends need to be made !!!
    Thanks was not comparing em as a player coz YK is bettern imo.. just wanted to know Younis performance in Aus coz seemed to struggle against raw pace but that could be coz age..

    The problem with Pujara is he won't perform that well now, he usually does well exceedingly in one test and is average in others.. hopefully I'm proven wrong.
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    Dravid was a beast in England, NZ and Carribean island.

    Pujara is a nobody in these three countries.

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    One thing no one can take away from YK:

    Didnít matter where he played, when he got 50, he was almost always (34 out of 33) going to get a 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    One thing no one can take away from YK:

    Didnít matter where he played, when he got 50, he was almost always (34 out of 33) going to get a 100.
    That was indeed a strong fact about Khan. If I am opposition, I will hate if Younis crosses 50 mark because I knew he will most likely go on and get a hundred and he used to do it many times, anywhere in the world. One of the best examples of never throwing your wicket once your eyes are in on the field.

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    His technique is far superior to Younis. You're setting the ceiling really low.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    I have similar hopes from Pujara. Reaching ATG level seems beyond him at the moment, but he can certainly join greats like Younis, Waugh and Laxman.
    If Pujara continues to bat like he did in the first Test, then India will win the series and he would have achieved something very very special.

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    Long way to go.

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    If he can play more knocks like Adelaide outside of Asia, he will surpass YK. He is gun in Asia, he does have issues against pace but he has improved a lot compared to the start of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    If he can play more knocks like Adelaide outside of Asia, he will surpass YK. He is gun in Asia, he does have issues against pace but he has improved a lot compared to the start of his career.
    Tbh, surpassing or equalling YK is next to impossible. YK had 10k+ Runs and scoring 10k+ runs at 52 is no mean feat.

    Che has 5000 runs @ 50 and he is already 30. Even to equal YK, he would need to play another 6-7 years. Che is not that fit like YK to carry playing on till 40.

    Che can become a VVS like player with 8k+ runs if he scores some gun knocks in SENA countries.

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    Emulate how? In terms of totally tally of runs? In terms of being a part of major victories against the big boys away from home?
    The answer changes depending on point of comparison.

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    I really like Pujara. Such a pleasant and humble personality which is rare these says. I do hope he does better than YK. Still a long way to go but he is on track.

    One thing I always loved about YK was that he would bring his hundred or double hundred by a barrage of sixes. Dont know if Pujara has such hitting capabilities againt spin?

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    He will end up as a better test player than Younis and most probably Kohli too.

    As Dravid once said, there isn't anything wrong about Pujara's technique its just he couldn't capitalize on the starts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Tbh, surpassing or equalling YK is next to impossible. YK had 10k+ Runs and scoring 10k+ runs at 52 is no mean feat.

    Che has 5000 runs @ 50 and he is already 30. Even to equal YK, he would need to play another 6-7 years. Che is not that fit like YK to carry playing on till 40.

    Che can become a VVS like player with 8k+ runs if he scores some gun knocks in SENA countries.
    India play a lot of tests so I wouldn’t rule it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I really like Pujara. Such a pleasant and humble personality which is rare these says. I do hope he does better than YK. Still a long way to go but he is on track.

    One thing I always loved about YK was that he would bring his hundred or double hundred by a barrage of sixes. Dont know if Pujara has such hitting capabilities againt spin?
    Indeed YK had more flair than what whats made out from the few critics make out on here.

    He was a nervous starter in SENA but once he got going he was relentless. I loved his appetite for big runs.

    A big deal is made out of Misbah's contributions but the reality is he was carried by Younis Khan.

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    India in more modern times (since 70s) are perhaps the greatest batting nation to have graced the sport but again I should point out it is a joke to mention Pujara as if he is of a similar calibre to YK (who wasn't far off ATG status) when he is not.

    This OP has fooled a lot of posters on here, so about time I bury this thread with a notable fact that will raise eyebrows. Check out Pujara's SR in SENA as shown below:

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    A guy who averages 15 and 29 in NZ and England respectively is really comparable to a player of YK's class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    India in more modern times (since 70s) are perhaps the greatest batting nation to have graced the sport but again I should point out it is a joke to mention Pujara as if he is of a similar calibre to YK (who wasn't far off ATG status) when he is not.

    This OP has fooled a lot of posters on here, so about time I bury this thread with a notable fact that will raise eyebrows. Check out Pujara's SR in SENA as shown below:

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    A guy who averages 15 and 29 in NZ and England respectively is really comparable to a player of YK's class?
    He is comparable to his class for sure. He has played gun knocks in Eng, SA and Aus.

    YK had his advantages, but having a gun record outside Asia was not his cup of tea. He averages 39 in 38 tests. YK has 6 tons outside Asia.

    Having said that Pujara has a long way to go before he can be talked along side YK. 10K runs and 5K runs are not same.


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    YK was more pleasing on eye than Pujara. Also had better six hitting ability.

    I think Pujara will remain for a long time 60-65 average player in subcontinent. Challenge is if he can get his SENA average upto 40 level. If he does so, he might finish with 50 average and 25 centuries which will be a great effort

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    He is comparable to his class for sure. He has played gun knocks in Eng, SA and Aus.

    YK had his advantages, but having a gun record outside Asia was not his cup of tea. He averages 39 in 38 tests. YK has 6 tons outside Asia.

    Having said that Pujara has a long way to go before he can be talked along side YK. 10K runs and 5K runs are not same.
    YK's average against a low ranked WI knocks his average down outside the SC but in SENA he averages 50+ in 2 countries and 40+ in NZ. His only blemish in SENA was SA but at least he didn't have a sub 40 SR there.

    Despite having explicitly mentioned and illustrated the different in their SRs, this has been perhaps conveniently ignored. But forget about runs for a minute the difference in SRs and averages across 4 innings, conversions of 50s to hundreds are also factors which you have not taken into account in your analysis.

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    Far from it. Younis is a legend and at the back end of his career performed well abroad in Eng and AUS. He was one of the very best in Asia and had a presence. Pujara just started scoring overseas this year and has a long way to go.

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    Pujara will do well if he can manage to reach 25 hundreds by the time he retires.

    We must remember unlike YK, he plays his home matches on Indian home turners than UAE pattas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Pujara will do well if he can manage to reach 25 hundreds by the time he retires.

    We must remember unlike YK, he plays his home matches on Indian home turners than UAE pattas.
    Where he averages 76 in India because he was an ATG player of spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Where he averages 76 in India because he was an ATG player of spin.
    He didn't played India in 2010s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    YK's average against a low ranked WI knocks his average down outside the SC but in SENA he averages 50+ in 2 countries and 40+ in NZ. His only blemish in SENA was SA but at least he didn't have a sub 40 SR there.

    Despite having explicitly mentioned and illustrated the different in their SRs, this has been perhaps conveniently ignored. But forget about runs for a minute the difference in SRs and averages across 4 innings, conversions of 50s to hundreds are also factors which you have not taken into account in your analysis.
    I have seen entire career of YK. I don't find his batting outside Asia impressive to be honest.

    I don't think right now both are comparable to start with. There is huge difference between 5K and 10K runs. That's the output and YK is far ahead. Skill wise, Pujara has more to offer, but he has to actually do it for many years to be mentioned alongside YK.

    You are reading too much into averages here. I have seen YK bat in various venues. For example, In Aus he averages 50+ and it may seem impressive, but here is entire record in Aus.

    175*
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    He crossed 50, three times in his entire career in Aus despite averaging 50+ How it's going to help if you don't score consistently?

    WI being low rank is hardly a good point to bring. WI at home is pretty good team. Many teams have not won series in WI. If I recall it right then Pakistan won in WI recently. So lowly ranked WI is not so low when playing at home.

    YK is head and shoulder ahead of Pujara for me, but not due to the reasons you are pointing out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    I have seen entire career of YK. I don't find his batting outside Asia impressive to be honest.

    I don't think right now both are comparable to start with. There is huge difference between 5K and 10K runs. That's the output and YK is far ahead. Skill wise, Pujara has more to offer, but he has to actually do it for many years to be mentioned alongside YK.

    You are reading too much into averages here. I have seen YK bat in various venues. For example, In Aus he averages 50+ and it may seem impressive, but here is entire record in Aus.

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    He crossed 50, three times in his entire career in Aus despite averaging 50+ How it's going to help if you don't score consistently?

    WI being low rank is hardly a good point to bring. WI at home is pretty good team. Many teams have not won series in WI. If I recall it right then Pakistan won in WI recently. So lowly ranked WI is not so low when playing at home.

    YK is head and shoulder ahead of Pujara for me, but not due to the reasons you are pointing out.
    No it was you who is reading too much into averages bringing up YK's average outside Asia and I merely said that it dipped under the 40s due to a poor record against a low ranked WI side.

    My main focus was the difference in strike rates outside the SC (particularly in SENA) - something you have failed to address for the second time now.

    Yes he only crossed 50, three times in Australia but lets alos conveniently ignore the fact that he crossed 40+ six times out of his 12 innings and was therefore a consistent performer in the latter half of all innings he played against the Aussies at their backyard (i.e last six innings).

    Failing in WI isn't a big deal as it used to be due to their decline. Clutching at straws here.

    Pujara's runs will never have the same impact and thus match winning ability because he scores his runs so sedately outside the SC. But I guess there's no point in going around in circles since you're more interested in making mute points with his record in WI as opposed to discussing a more fundamental aspect of his batting - low strike rates against the major sides outside Asia i.e. SENA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    He didn't played India in 2010s.
    YK's average in Asia is 56 and averages 50+ in each Asian country except SL (where he averages 45).

    Also he did score a triple hundred against Murali, which tells you he was an ATG player of spin and would have thrived on rank turners as well.

    He deserves a bit more respect for his accomplishments in Asia and against spin bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    No it was you who is reading too much into averages bringing up YK's average outside Asia and I merely said that it dipped under the 40s due to a poor record against a low ranked WI side.

    My main focus was the difference in strike rates outside the SC (particularly in SENA) - something you have failed to address for the second time now.

    Yes he only crossed 50, three times in Australia but lets alos conveniently ignore the fact that he crossed 40+ six times out of his 12 innings and was therefore a consistent performer in the latter half of all innings he played against the Aussies at their backyard (i.e last six innings).

    Failing in WI isn't a big deal as it used to be due to their decline. Clutching at straws here.

    Pujara's runs will never have the same impact and thus match winning ability because he scores his runs so sedately outside the SC. But I guess there's no point in going around in circles since you're more interested in making mute points with his record in WI as opposed to discussing a more fundamental aspect of his batting - low strike rates against the major sides outside Asia i.e. SENA.
    Guess who won India the last test in Adelaide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Guess who won India the last test in Adelaide?
    Put those runs in say a Pakistan batting line up, the result would have been the opposite because other players in the side wouldn't have been able to make those extra 30-40 runs to secure the win.

    Pujara has the luxury of playing for the best batting line up in the world. Like Azhar Ali he can't win matches on his own as you see with Kohli and Williasmson.

    Case in point Azhar Ali scored a double hundred at the MCG but his team still couldn't manage even a draw. Now put those runs in an Indian outfit with more competent batsmen, featuring the likes of Kohli and Rahane in the batting order, more runs are racked up and ultimately the result changes earning MOTM. See what I did there?
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    Pujara has the luxury of playing for the best batting line up in the world.
    India doesn't have the best batting lineup in world, Eng has. Their lower order is perhaps the best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    YK's average in Asia is 56 and averages 50+ in each Asian country except SL (where he averages 45).

    Also he did score a triple hundred against Murali, which tells you he was an ATG player of spin and would have thrived on rank turners as well.

    He deserves a bit more respect for his accomplishments in Asia and against spin bowling.
    Yes, he is a beast in Asia without any shadow of doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    No it was you who is reading too much into averages bringing up YK's average outside Asia and I merely said that it dipped under the 40s due to a poor record against a low ranked WI side.

    My main focus was the difference in strike rates outside the SC (particularly in SENA) - something you have failed to address for the second time now.

    Yes he only crossed 50, three times in Australia but lets alos conveniently ignore the fact that he crossed 40+ six times out of his 12 innings and was therefore a consistent performer in the latter half of all innings he played against the Aussies at their backyard (i.e last six innings).

    Failing in WI isn't a big deal as it used to be due to their decline. Clutching at straws here.

    Pujara's runs will never have the same impact and thus match winning ability because he scores his runs so sedately outside the SC. But I guess there's no point in going around in circles since you're more interested in making mute points with his record in WI as opposed to discussing a more fundamental aspect of his batting - low strike rates against the major sides outside Asia i.e. SENA.
    We can re-circle this thread by the time Puajra hangs his boot and then calculate how many good knocks he has played in away conditions. Pujara is surely slower than YK, but changing match result knocks is not all about SR. let's wait and see how Pujara ends up.


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    Pujara is good, potentially very good. I posted a long time ago that he is probably India's most crucial batsman in away tours (yes, even above Kohli) and someone brave enough to go out there at no. 3.

    Can he emulate what Younis Khan did? The question is, can ANYONE?

    Khan is one of the true ATG test batsmen, in my opinion the second best no. 3 of all time (I wont talk about players who I can not view) and arguably the top 4th inning bat of all time. He has been part of 2 record breaking chases, been a cut above the rest in England and at times, in his final tour of Australia and basically, done it all.

    Pujara has years, run, centuries and performances stacked up against him to even reach that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    We can re-circle this thread by the time Puajra hangs his boot and then calculate how many good knocks he has played in away conditions. Pujara is surely slower than YK, but changing match result knocks is not all about SR. let's wait and see how Pujara ends up.
    One more match changing knock resulting in 7th win in Aus for Indian team. Let's see if he can play couple of more match changing knocks. I won't rule out that possibility.


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    Pujara's tons lead to India away wins.

    Kohli's tons lead to India away losses.

    This is one of those cases where correlation doesn't mean causation.

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    2 match winning knocks in one month that too in Australia is a phenomenal achievement.

    How many tons younis khan have in SENA countries? 5

    Pujara already have 4.

    2in aus, 1in sa, 1in England

    He is not far away from younis khan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Pujara's tons lead to India away wins.

    Kohli's tons lead to India away losses.

    This is one of those cases where correlation doesn't mean causation.
    Nope, but Pujara is playing gun knocks in away conditions. That's a fact. Win depends on many other things, but he has batted ridiculous amount of time in this test series and series is not over yet. It's very frustrating as opposition to see Pujara all the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Nope, but Pujara is playing gun knocks in away conditions. That's a fact. Win depends on many other things, but he has batted ridiculous amount of time in this test series and series is not over yet. It's very frustrating as opposition to see Pujara all the time.
    Sure if you are arguing about the premise of this thread.

    Pujara will almost certainly end up as a bigger match winner than Younis Khan. He already is in Asian conditions and probably has matched Younis in SENA match winning performances.

    He just needs to pile up some meaningless runs in easy conditions at home to boost his average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Sure if you are arguing about the premise of this thread.

    Pujara will almost certainly end up as a bigger match winner than Younis Khan. He already is in Asian conditions and probably has matched Younis in SENA match winning performances.

    He just needs to pile up some meaningless runs in easy conditions at home to boost his average.
    YK has been fantastic in Asia. He has 19 tons and averages 58 in 75 tests in Asia.

    But Pujara already has 10 tons in Asia in 31 tests at avg of 68. I don't have any doubt that Pujara will pile up some more runs in Asia. Question will be how many more good knocks outside of Asia. That will
    will define his career.

    Anyway, as I said earlier there is difference between 5K and 10K runs. So Pujara need to do it for a longer time.


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    Pujara has found ways to succeed overseas. That's a good news for India because you would want your no. 3 and no. 4 both to fire at the minimum, even if rest aren't showing up.

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    Cheteshwar Pujara - the only batsman to score 50+ in all of India's four away wins in 2018:

    50 off 179, 1st innings, Johannesburg
    72 off 208, 2nd innings, Trent Bridge
    123 & 71, Adelaide
    106 off 319, MCG

    He is finally justifying his reputation. Hope he can emulate my favorite Pakistani batsman.

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    Indian batsmen are regarded as FTB if they score in Asia. They are required to prove themselves in SENA countries. Here we find Younis Khan is being regarded as great because of his runs scored in Asia. Quite a confusing logic.

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    Long way to so. Will take a lot of hard work and dedication go past Younis Khan's achievements.


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    Three hundreds away from home in this series for Pujara.

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    This is already a superior series in SENA than anything Younis achieved in his career.

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    I think ChePu already has more hundreds outside Asia than YK. Can anyone check?

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    Another test in Aus and another ton by Pujara. Better series than most SC batsmen have played in SENA. This guy single handidly pushing India for a series win here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    I think ChePu already has more hundreds outside Asia than YK. Can anyone check?
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    Strange comparison. HE is more a Dravid. Younis is bit of a gambler. Chepu is not.

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    He is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Equal number of centuries in SENA. YK has obviously played more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Another test in Aus and another ton by Pujara. Better series than most SC batsmen have played in SENA. This guy single handidly pushing India for a series win here.

    Right up there.

    One of the best performances in a SENA tour. Given the second best batsman on the tour has literally half of his runs its been quite special.

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    To go past YK in Asia, Che still needs big daddy hundreds. Lots of them for a few years more. YK was a great on Asian pitches. Right up there with Mahela, Sanga etc.

    Outside Asia, YK should is not the right role model and shouldn't be emulated.
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    Pujara is much better.


    You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan, designed and directed by his red right hand.

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    Younis is a great test player. He averaged 76 in India, 50 in England and 50 in Australia.

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    Incredible player! 3 masterclasses by Pujara in this seires. In fact, 4 as the 70 in the second innings at Adelaide was a vital knock too.

    He is already one of the best players in Asian conditions ever, and now he's producing runs overseas as well.

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    Younis is a great of the game.
    Cheteshwar on his way to becoming a great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pujara has 5, YK has 7 (including one each in Zimbabwe and WI). Both have 5 in SENA countries.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ng;view=series

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    Pujara has been simply outstanding in this Australian series facing a gun Australian bowling unit. All the hard work he has put in, including playing county cricket is paying off.

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    People and their obsession with averages, ughhh.

    Pujara is a match and series winner. Forget Younis, he is even better than Kohli.

    Kohli test centuries in away conditions mostly end in loses while Pujara make sure the opposition are completely down and out and score tough match winning runs. Even at home Pujara was the star in tough series and matches.

    He is the 3rd best test batsman for me right now behind Willy and Smith.


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