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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    India would beat us away, I think we'd beat or draw with them at home. This Aus team is pathetic, me calling them out as such has triggered Indian fans.
    No way they’ll draw with you in NZ. Handling rampaging southee and boult is too much of an ask. Winning in India is difficult with the doctored pitches but with Kane you never know! He can pull it off if 2 more batsmen support him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Wrong. There was no Steve Smith.
    Steve Smith wasn't the player he is today back then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Quite the opposite, they'd have wrecked you 2-0. Probably one win with an innings to spare.
    Stop talking rubbish and come out of your fantasy world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    No way they’ll draw with you in NZ. Handling rampaging southee and boult is too much of an ask. Winning in India is difficult with the doctored pitches but with Kane you never know! He can pull it off if 2 more batsmen support him.
    Our pitches flatten up and we'd struggle to take wickets, their bowling is also really good. So it would be 1-1 or 1-0 either way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It would be the equivalent of boasting about defeating India without Kohli and Pujara.
    If NZ defeat us in India in a single game let alone a series, it would be a monumental achievement. Doesn't matter that Kohli and Pujara were or were not in the team.

    NZ have won a grand total of 2 tests in India - 1968 and 1988 - who cares about Kohli and Pujara? Test match wins take great effort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ali2220 View Post
    Stop talking rubbish and come out of your fantasy world.
    LMAO, shuuure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Our pitches flatten up and we'd struggle to take wickets, their bowling is also really good. So it would be 1-1 or 1-0 either way.
    NZ pitches have dubious history being unplayable on day one and perfect road on day 5. Toss determines lot of the matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    First of all go learn the definition of a troll. Second, there was nothing wrong with what I or Buffet said. Although, IND have bowled well, Aus batting has been pathetic throughout the series. This current bunch of Aus even got blank 5-0 in Eng even though it was ODI. When was the last time you see Aus getting dominated by Eng especially in ODI? They also got destroyed in UAE even though NZ won there. Without their front line batsman they are quite weak.
    You conveniently ignored that the same Australian team that lost in ODIs actually won the test series against England in Australia. Now that's amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    LMAO, shuuure.
    Should have known that you are on drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    At least it was against a close to full strength Aussie team, not a depleted one missing two of their most important players.

    It would be the equivalent of boasting about defeating India without Kohli and Pujara.
    Oh please stop it.
    The same marshes and khwajas were batting like bradman against eng in ashes. But u have no answer for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    No way they’ll draw with you in NZ. Handling rampaging southee and boult is too much of an ask. Winning in India is difficult with the doctored pitches but with Kane you never know! He can pull it off if 2 more batsmen support him.
    The only doctored pitches between India and NZ occurred in NZ in 2002, when you couldn't differentiate the pitch from the outfield. NZ themselves were bundled for 99 or something in those games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    No way they’ll draw with you in NZ. Handling rampaging southee and boult is too much of an ask. Winning in India is difficult with the doctored pitches but with Kane you never know! He can pull it off if 2 more batsmen support him.
    You are what everybody calls an ignoratti. Green mambas are ok but spin tracks are doctored? Watch a game once in a while and read some news papers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    If NZ defeat us in India in a single game let alone a series, it would be a monumental achievement. Doesn't matter that Kohli and Pujara were or were not in the team.

    NZ have won a grand total of 2 tests in India - 1968 and 1988 - who cares about Kohli and Pujara? Test match wins take great effort.
    Either way, it's not the same as you've defeated a depleted side and those players would have been influential.

    In the first game, you can say the same thing. If either Smith or Warner had played, Aus probably would have won. The difference between the sides was minimal and its difficult to think even one of them wouldn't have made the difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    At least it was against a close to full strength Aussie team, not a depleted one missing two of their most important players.

    It would be the equivalent of boasting about defeating India without Kohli and Pujara.
    Sorry. Almost victories/Moral victories don’t count in competitive sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Oh please stop it.
    The same marshes and khwajas were batting like bradman against eng in ashes. But u have no answer for that.
    To be fair to Aman’s point, you can say all those batsmen fed off the confidence from Smith and Warner being in the team. Without those two, they’re unable to bat like how they did in Ashes. Having great batsmen by your side truly lifts you. I hope you understand this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    The only doctored pitches between India and NZ occurred in NZ in 2002, when you couldn't differentiate the pitch from the outfield. NZ themselves were bundled for 99 or something in those games.
    He is the same Slim guy who said he will leave the forum if Pakistan doesn’t win the Asia cup. No point replying to him.

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    High class fast bowling by Indians. After Kapil we had Zak who was good at setting up batsmen. Zak was mostly fast medium pacer. But these guys are fast, accurate and good at setting up batsmen. India never had two bowlers at the same time in the side who are good at that. Shami and Bhumrah are doing so good with intelligent bowling. Kohli despite being average with captaincy, but he brings the best out of INdian fast bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ali2220 View Post
    Should have known that you are on drugs.
    Yes, one needs to be on drugs to predict a crappy 7th ranked team that got rolled by Enzed wouldn't spinelessly crumble if Australia were to field their full strength team in UAE.

    Enjoy your smoke filled room

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Sorry. Almost victories/Moral victories don’t count in competitive sports.
    A strong performance in a rare series way.... hard to see them not winning matches or even a series with frequent series there. Heck, didn't Pakistan draw a series against Aus in England?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    To be fair to Aman’s point, you can say all those batsmen fed off the confidence from Smith and Warner being in the team. Without those two, they’re unable to bat like how they did in Ashes. Having great batsmen by your side truly lifts you. I hope you understand this.
    Confidence from the cheats?? Lol 😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Either way, it's not the same as you've defeated a depleted side and those players would have been influential.

    In the first game, you can say the same thing. If either Smith or Warner had played, Aus probably would have won. The difference between the sides was minimal and its difficult to think even one of them wouldn't have made the difference.
    When a team loses against a depleted side, there should be complaints. Why are people complaining when India is actually winning? They are here to play the 11 that represent Australia and win. And they are on their way to a 2-1 lead here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Unless i'm wrong Pakistan has lost every single test in Australia in the last 20 years. Even Bangladesh would have managed to draw a couple of matches in 2 decades.
    As per Aman,

    Moral victories >>> real victories
    If only runs >>> real runs

    Runs scored by Marshes, Khwaja and Paine in their last home series doesn't count.

    Let's throw him a bone. Supporting NZ and Pakistan in Australia for his entire life has been about clutching at straws.
    Last edited by Sin Nombre; 28th December 2018 at 08:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    In the first game, you can say the same thing. If either Smith or Warner had played, Aus probably would have won. The difference between the sides was minimal and its difficult to think even one of them wouldn't have made the difference.
    I've already mentioned - no way we would have had a chance in that 3rd innings in particular if the ball was inexplicably doing things.

    Smith, Warner and Bancroft are out. But so is the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    You are what everybody calls an ignoratti. Green mambas are ok but spin tracks are doctored? Watch a game once in a while and read some news papers.
    The pitches in NZ ease out as match progresses. The better team prevails at the end of 5 days as can be seen in the match progressing right now. Spin pitches keep getting worse with more wear and tear. There’s no comparison my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    To be fair to Aman’s point, you can say all those batsmen fed off the confidence from Smith and Warner being in the team. Without those two, they’re unable to bat like how they did in Ashes. Having great batsmen by your side truly lifts you. I hope you understand this.
    That's the point they're not getting, when you take out two world class batsmen, the responsibility and the pressure falls on the others to score. The others haven't been able to take the responsibility and have crumbled under it. If anything it shows how important these two were to Australia. If they had gotten life bans, Australia would be screwed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    The pitches in NZ ease out as match progresses. The better team prevails at the end of 5 days as can be seen in the match progressing right now. Spin pitches keep getting worse with more wear and tear. There’s no comparison my friend.
    So both represent different types of challenge. Why do you like things to get easier but not tougher for the batsmen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    When a team loses against a depleted side, there should be complaints. Why are people complaining when India is actually winning? They are here to play the 11 that represent Australia and win. And they are on their way to a 2-1 lead here.
    I was criticizing this Australian batting line up, an Indian took it personally and made it into a India vs NZ thing.

    Am I supposed to pretend this Aussie team is good when they're 100 odd for 7 on this wicket and all I'm hearing from Australians is how bad this Aussie batting line up is?..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    The pitches in NZ ease out as match progresses. The better team prevails at the end of 5 days as can be seen in the match progressing right now. Spin pitches keep getting worse with more wear and tear. There’s no comparison my friend.
    The pitches are good to bat on for three days and slowly crumble in the last two days. India won games chasing in India recently. That's called test cricket. There are different conditions and challenges across the world and one needs to compete against all teams in all conditions. That's why it's called "test" cricket friend.

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    Beautiful test match is going on with high class bowling . All i see is people trying to discredit their least favorite team's achievement Boult and Southee are a handful against SL. Awesome bowling. People gotta appreciate good stuff guys.

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    Last 3 wickets need to waste 30 overs. Tiring Indian bowlers will help to draw this game and also in the net game.


    "If this happens I will swim across the Charles River! In winter!" -- OZGOD on NZ batting 6 sessions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I was critcizing this Australian batting line up, an Indian took it personally. Am I supposed to pretend they're good when they're 100 odd for 7 on this wicket?
    Are you watching the game? Look at the way Australians bowled and the Indians bowled. The commies mentioned a bunch of times already that Australians bowled way too short on this pitch. They didn't move the ball. Indian bowlers are much more skilled and are reversing the ball here. Look at the way they setup the batsmen and see how Bumrah bowled all day. This same Australian team just won the previous test and ran India very close in the first test. They are playing at home. The same Marshes, handscombs, khawajas who scored tons in Sheffield shield and in UAE are getting out to brilliant bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    So both represent different types of challenge. Why do you like things to get easier but not tougher for the batsmen?
    I’m saying the green pitches still provide good contest between bat and ball whereas the spin pitches are like a lottery for whoever wins the toss.

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    Don't know how much of a difference Smith or Warner would have made in this test. But Australian bowling is still world class and the way India batted against them on a pretty fast and bouncy pitch is really commendable.

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    what a performance by India.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Yes, one needs to be on drugs to predict a crappy 7th ranked team that got rolled by Enzed wouldn't spinelessly crumble if Australia were to field their full strength team in UAE.

    Enjoy your smoke filled room
    Aus have played with full strength in past and got hammered by Pak, had they played their full strength this time around they would have met same result.NZ is far stronger side than Aus , even before that start of NZ series many people had predicted that it will be a close series.
    You should *** "A" after "M" next to your name, it will perfectly define you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Am I supposed to pretend this Aussie team is good when they're 100 odd for 7 on this wicket and all I'm hearing from Australians is how bad this Aussie batting line up is?..
    India have faced better Australian teams down under before, but winning a series regardless of them being at full strength or not is a terrific achievement. Australia would feel the same way if they came to India and there was say, no Kohli.

    But of course, carry on about how Pakistan's performances in Australia have been 'awesome' and the only games they have lost is because of a 'dodgy pitch'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...of-aus-2016-17

    Pakistan came close to a famous win almost chasing down 480, then there was the dodgy Sydney Test which they should have won.
    Last edited by Varun; 28th December 2018 at 08:59.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Are you watching the game? Look at the way Australians bowled and the Indians bowled. The commies mentioned a bunch of times already that Australians bowled way too short on this pitch. They didn't move the ball. Indian bowlers are much more skilled and are reversing the ball here. Look at the way they setup the batsmen and see how Bumrah bowled all day. This same Australian team just won the previous test and ran India very close in the first test. They are playing at home. The same Marshes, handscombs, khawajas who scored tons in Sheffield shield and in UAE are getting out to brilliant bowling.
    India have bowled with much better plans, but this is so atypical of what you usually see from the Aussies. They really should have done much better, this isn't a 145/7 pitch. For a lot of this series their batsmen have failed to step up and the bowlers have had to do it all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    I’m saying the green pitches still provide good contest between bat and ball whereas the spin pitches are like a lottery for whoever wins the toss.
    Like End won all tosses in their last Ind series?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I was criticizing this Australian batting line up, an Indian took it personally and made it into a India vs NZ thing.

    Am I supposed to pretend this Aussie team is good when they're 100 odd for 7 on this wicket and all I'm hearing from Australians is how bad this Aussie batting line up is?..
    In home ground Aussies are generally good. Not a single wicket was due to "variable bounce". All wickets were set up . From Finch to Cummins. IT was perfect execution, field placing. Perfect mix of short ball, full ball. I bet you did not see even a single ball in this match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    He is the same Slim guy who said he will leave the forum if Pakistan doesn’t win the Asia cup. No point replying to him.

    I live this guy
    His reactions makes our victories more enjoyable


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    The pitches are good to bat on for three days and slowly crumble in the last two days. India won games chasing in India recently. That's called test cricket. There are different conditions and challenges across the world and one needs to compete against all teams in all conditions. That's why it's called "test" cricket friend.
    Look mate, India did win games batting 2nd against England by those are not spitting cobras that were dishes out to South Africa and Australia. The pitches against England were relatively good and only crumbled on day 5. No one has problems with those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    India have faced better Australian teams down under before, but winning a series regardless of them being at full strength or not is a terrific achievement. Australia would feel the same way if they came to India and there was say, no Kohli.

    But of course, carry on about how Pakistan's performances in Australia have been 'awesome' and the only games they have lost is because of a 'dodgy pitch'.
    That's a far away even now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ali2220 View Post
    Aus have played with full strength in past and got hammered by Pak, had they played their full strength this time around they would have met same result.NZ is far stronger side than Aus , even before that start of NZ series many people had predicted that it will be a close series.
    You should *** "A" after "M" next to your name, it will perfectly define you!
    Aus with Smith and Warner would beat us home and away.

    With both of them out, I'd be disappointed not to beat them. It would be embarrassing as they're Australia's own two world class batsmen, and as we've seen the other support players fail to step up without the safety net of those two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    India have bowled with much better plans, but this is so atypical of what you usually see from the Aussies. They really should have done much better, this isn't a 145/7 pitch. For a lot of this series their batsmen have failed to step up and the bowlers have had to do it all.
    They should have could have based on what? There is relentless pressure from all 4 bowlers here with great tactical field placements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Look mate, India did win games batting 2nd against England by those are not spitting cobras that were dishes out to South Africa and Australia. The pitches against England were relatively good and only crumbled on day 5. No one has problems with those.
    Every pitch in India starting 2010 has been quality. The sole exception was Pune 2017 vs Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Are you watching the game? Look at the way Australians bowled and the Indians bowled. The commies mentioned a bunch of times already that Australians bowled way too short on this pitch. They didn't move the ball. Indian bowlers are much more skilled and are reversing the ball here. Look at the way they setup the batsmen and see how Bumrah bowled all day. This same Australian team just won the previous test and ran India very close in the first test. They are playing at home. The same Marshes, handscombs, khawajas who scored tons in Sheffield shield and in UAE are getting out to brilliant bowling.
    He is definitely not watching lol . They set up each and every batsman clinically. Pitch was not doing any tricks. Infact this pitch is much easier to bat on compared to Perth and Adelaide. Just that India didn't have that decent 4th bowler. Now they have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    what a performance by India.
    Right. Credit should be given where it is due. Played like a true no 1. Excellent performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    That's the point they're not getting, when you take out two world class batsmen, the responsibility and the pressure falls on the others to score. The others haven't been able to take the responsibility and have crumbled under it. If anything it shows how important these two were to Australia. If they had gotten life bans, Australia would be screwed.
    I can guarantee you that india minus kohli and pujara will beat almost every team in india.
    Secondly, yes this aus team is suffering from two major blows but still if we win this series it will be a great achievement. That's bcoz aus won a series in india when:
    1.Sachin wasn't available fir half of the series
    2.harbhajan wasn't available.
    England's greatest ashes victory came in 2005 and the sole reason was absence of MCGrath, but still it takes away nothing from that win.
    But we don't whine about that series loss, hope u understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Like End won all tosses in their last Ind series?
    My reply to rhony should clear it up. I can dig up scorecards across series to present even a better picture to you. Also the England side were severely undercooked against India. Facing them now in India would be a different hallenge for India for sure.

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    I think there is thread for weakest Aus team. We should move this discussion there and leave it for match thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Like End won all tosses in their last Ind series?
    How do England win so many tosses? It is remarkable.

    Won all tosses home as well to India, won all tosses away to SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Aus with Smith and Warner would beat us home and away.

    With both of them out, I'd be disappointed not to beat them. It would be embarrassing as they're Australia's own two world class batsmen, and as we've seen the other support players fail to step up without the safety net of those two.
    Khawaja and Shaun Marsh would pile on the 100s against NZ home or away. They are Southern hemisphere bullies - conditions and bowlers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    My reply to rhony should clear it up. I can dig up scorecards across series to present even a better picture to you. Also the England side were severely undercooked against India. Facing them now in India would be a different hallenge for India for sure.
    Eng will lose easily again. Simple reason is lack of quality spinners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    My reply to rhony should clear it up. I can dig up scorecards across series to present even a better picture to you. Also the England side were severely undercooked against India. Facing them now in India would be a different hallenge for India for sure.
    They will be beaten heavily. Sam Curran won't save them in India, and Cook is retired.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Look mate, India did win games batting 2nd against England by those are not spitting cobras that were dishes out to South Africa and Australia. The pitches against England were relatively good and only crumbled on day 5. No one has problems with those.
    Pitches against England were flat and hardly turned (except a few innings) and this was something English commies who said it.

    Agreed about spitting cobras in 4 tests against Aus and SA but they did nothing even when presented with good tracks in Bangalore (SA), Delhi (SA), Raipur (Aus) and Dharmashala (Aus).

    Point to note: The behavior of Indian tracks varies from series to series. For example, Delhi can be a spitting cobra in one series and a dead dodo in another. Chennai was a rank turner in 2013 and a flat patta in 2016. So when I use the name of some tracks, I have mentioned the opposition.


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    As an Indian fan even i am surprised by their ability to sustain their pace, pitching 6 balls in a row accurately. These are alien things to Indian fans.We are used to seeing Indian bowling losing 10k in each spell and ending up pie chucking when the second ball is due. This is a very very different bowling unit. I have been watching Indian cricket for more than 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Aus with Smith and Warner would beat us home and away.

    With both of them out, I'd be disappointed not to beat them. It would be embarrassing as they're Australia's own two world class batsmen, and as we've seen the other support players fail to step up without the safety net of those two.
    Australia with Warner and Smith would beat all sides at home and all non Asian sides away. Some posters are not grasping the importance of not fielding your two best batsmen. Heck just look at Souh Africa with and without just ab devilliers. It’s ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    They should have could have based on what? There is relentless pressure from all 4 bowlers here with great tactical field placements.
    Based on playing at the international level? Do you expect an international side to be 140/7 on this pitch? Yes they're bad, but to this extent? You expect a couple of them to eventually step up, but they haven't. I was thinking they'd get to ~300, but they've collapsed again leaving the bowlers to bail them out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanRyan10 View Post
    I live this guy
    His reactions makes our victories more enjoyable
    Shandar is a consistent poster, openly optimistic about his team and negative about their main rivals. No attempt at subtle trolling. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    No way they’ll draw with you in NZ. Handling rampaging southee and boult is too much of an ask. Winning in India is difficult with the doctored pitches but with Kane you never know! He can pull it off if 2 more batsmen support him.
    Last time New Zealand toured India - whitewashed 0-3 with Kane in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Look mate, India did win games batting 2nd against England by those are not spitting cobras that were dishes out to South Africa and Australia. The pitches against England were relatively good and only crumbled on day 5. No one has problems with those.
    Australia actually won the game on the spitting cobra pitch. Kohli scores 50 runs in the entire series and didn't even play the last test. Aussies were in the hunt until the third test. I guess you did t actually watch that series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Australia with Warner and Smith would beat all sides at home and all non Asian sides away. Some posters are not grasping the importance of not fielding your two best batsmen. Heck just look at Souh Africa with and without just ab devilliers. It’s ridiculous.
    Take the two best batsmen out of any side and you'd hurt them greatly. Look at what's happened to Pakistan since YK and Misbah retired. NZ without Kane and Taylor would be brutal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Khawaja and Shaun Marsh would pile on the 100s against NZ home or away. They are Southern hemisphere bullies - conditions and bowlers.
    Have you seen Shaun Marsh's recent record? He wouldn't be able to crack double digits in backyard cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    They will be beaten heavily. Sam Curran won't save them in India, and Cook is retired.
    Moeen is a vastly improved bowler now. Underestimate him at your own peril. The axing after Ashes has done him a world of good. He will even pose a challenge to full strength Aussie team in the next Ashes in Australia.

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    NZ with Kane and Taylor got thrashed in their last series against Aus, Ind and SA. Let's not do false equivalences here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Based on playing at the international level? Do you expect an international side to be 140/7 on this pitch? Yes they're bad, but to this extent? You expect a couple of them to eventually step up, but they haven't. I was thinking they'd get to ~300, but they've collapsed again leaving the bowlers to bail them out.
    You expect teams like NZ to bottle up for 180 against Lakmal with Southee of all people to bail them out and that too at home? No. It just happens. When the bowling is good and when there is pressure, batsmen find it difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Take the two best batsmen out of any side and their abilities with using the ball and you'd hurt them greatly. Look at what's happened to Pakistan since YK and Misbah retired. NZ without Kane and Taylor would be brutal.
    Edited for accuracy. If folks have appeared using a time turner from last year they might be confused.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    NZ with Kane and Taylor got thrashed in their last series against Aus, Ind and SA. Let's not do false equivalences here.
    Thrashed? We lost 2-0, drawing one Test and losing the D/N match in controversial fashion, we were ahead up until the Nathan Lyon decision.


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    Can someone post how we setup each and every Aussie batsmen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Based on playing at the international level? Do you expect an international side to be 140/7 on this pitch? Yes they're bad, but to this extent? You expect a couple of them to eventually step up, but they haven't. I was thinking they'd get to ~300, but they've collapsed again leaving the bowlers to bail them out.
    You sound like NZ will thrash the hell out of this Australian line up at the MCG against hits team? You really think on a flat wicket Boult, Wagner, Southee would be this effective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Moeen is a vastly improved bowler now. Underestimate him at your own peril. The axing after Ashes has done him a world of good. He will even pose a challenge to full strength Aussie team in the next Ashes in Australia.
    For England to beat us in India, they will need us to be especially weak. That was the case in 2012, not the case now.

    Special teams win in India - South Africa in 2000, Australia in 2004 and England in 2012 were those sides. This bits and pieces England team will be fortunate to win a single test - and that's across a 5-game series they usually get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Australia actually won the game on the spitting cobra pitch. Kohli scores 50 runs in the entire series and didn't even play the last test. Aussies were in the hunt until the third test. I guess you did t actually watch that series
    Basically you validated 2 points that Aman and I were trying to make.

    1. It’s very difficult to win even at home if your best batsman is not firing. In this case, Australia’s two best are missing. That makes it doubly difficult.
    2. Spitting cobras are won during tosses. Australia under Smith proved the theory at Pune.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Thrashed? We lost 2-0, drawing one Test and losing the D/N match in controversial fashion, we were ahead up until the Nathan Lyon decision.
    Couldn't even draw a test, with the supposed golden generation of your team. There was also McCullum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    It’s very difficult to win even at home if your best batsman is not firing. In this case, Australia’s two best are missing. That makes it doubly difficult.
    India won vs Australia last year in India without Kohli playing the final (decisive) test, and averaging only single figures in the other tests.

    Rahul of all people was the key batsman that series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    You sound like NZ will thrash the hell out of this Australian line up at the MCG against hits team? You really think on a flat wicket Boult, Wagner, Southee would be this effective?
    You don't need to be great against this team, they're down on confidence, missing their two best and are not the same team since the whole culture change.

    The sledging gave them an edge, now they have to watch what they say because of the fear of fan and media backlash.

    Australia use to be intimidating, now it feels you can push them around without them retaliating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Thrashed? We lost 2-0, drawing one Test and losing the D/N match in controversial fashion, we were ahead up until the Nathan Lyon decision.
    Do you realize Indians don't have the experience of bowling with kookaburra lot right? Look at their seam position and compare that with Australian bowlers seam position. You will know why Indians outbowl Aussies in their own turf. India made the mistake of carrying two or three passengers in the first two tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    You don't need to be great against this team, they're down on confidence, missing their two best and are not the same team since the whole culture change.

    The sledging gave them an edge, now they have to watch what they say because of the fear of fan and media backlash.

    Australia use to be intimidating, now it feels you can push them around without them retaliating.
    NZ will win if the pitch is a green mamba like Hobart 2011. Everywhere else, they will lose heavily.

    And Australia producing such tracks is outta the question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Couldn't even draw a test, with the supposed golden generation of your team. There was also McCullum.
    We drew in Perth, we ended up in the stronger position by the end and were the ones pushing for victory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    You don't need to be great against this team, they're down on confidence, missing their two best and are not the same team since the whole culture change.

    The sledging gave them an edge, now they have to watch what they say because of the fear of fan and media backlash.

    Australia use to be intimidating, now it feels you can push them around without them retaliating.
    I very much doubt NZ cando that. They don't have the same ability as Bumrah or Shami. Sure in swinging conditions Boult is a beast. But if there is no swing and pitch is relatively flat they cannot match Indian bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    We drew in Perth, we ended up in the stronger position by the end and were the ones pushing for victory.
    Excluded that test match intentionally - Perth (WACA) was a bonafide concrete slab where the scores were 559,624, 385/2 and 104/2. Nobody was 'pushing' anything.

    Should be erased from the record books ideally.


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