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    Wishful thinking again guys, especially after today. Shafiq isn't going anywhere. Better we just lock this thread.

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    He should be replaced by Asad 'The Cape Town' Shafiq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Contrast his innings with that of Shan. Shan basically gave one chance and that ended his innings. Whereas, despite his sparkling shots, Shafiq’s innings looked like it could end anytime
    IF Du Plessis had put a square leg, Asad's fireworks would be over soon. Du Plessis knew Shafiq's bat will find an edge sooner rather than later so he did not sacrifice his slip. Proteas bowlers looked complacent and relaxed thinking they've won the match. There is a good length area where the ball was bouncing way more than normal. Saffer bowlers, Rabada and Olivier were either short or too full which helped us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    Both Asad and Azhar will play 100 tests for Pak. We can say whatever we want but they always manage to save their *****.
    True, that's why he has played the most games consecutively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    Too many times he has failed and then perform in 1 inning when his position in the team is in danger and then go back to not performing. And the cycle keep repeating. Time for selectors to take a principle stand and drop him forever.
    He has saved his place for another year or two with this inning... @Barragan and Sir @Mamoon nailed it perfectly..😂😂😂😂

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    It was a splendid knock as he knew his place was on the line but there was literally no pressure on him in terms of the match situation as when he came in Pakistan were 26 or 27/2 and a million runs behind, so he just threw his bat at everything and luckily he had good fortune and did not get out. A hallmark of a good batsman is the ability to go on and get a big ton if you've had some luck early on in your innings, for Asad it seems like the exact opposite, he hardly ever capitalises to make a big score and instead plays in the same way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaka_Hathrasi View Post
    He has saved his place for another year or two with this inning... @Barragan and Sir @Mamoon nailed it perfectly..��������
    Tbh, many other posters also predicted the same.

    It has become a common theme with him and fans are starting to realise it as well.


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    As Pakistan's senior batsman he should have really gone on and scored some runs. If he and Babar sticked around, they could have posted quite a total for the Saffers. But I still think he needs to be dropped. And to replace him, maybe a batting allrounder.

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    Not only Asad but fakhar and imam also need to be dropped from the test squad and replaced. Ideally, since fakhar didn't open the innings today I expect him to be replaced by rizwan in the next test match.

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    Asad will not only continue.He might even be appointed captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    Asad will not only continue.He might even be appointed captain.
    Any rationale behind this argument?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Any rationale behind this argument?
    His pretty little 88 will ensure that he will not be dropped by the management at any costs.
    And as we have already been thrashed by SA and will most likely lose the third test too there might be backlash from the media and pressure on Sarfaraz so if he resigns from leadership or has to be dropped i have a strong notion Asad Shafiq will be appointed by the management as he is also the vice captain and has 'performed' in this series too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    His pretty little 88 will ensure that he will not be dropped by the management at any costs.
    And as we have already been thrashed by SA and will most likely lose the third test too there might be backlash from the media and pressure on Sarfaraz so if he resigns from leadership or has to be dropped i have a strong notion Asad Shafiq will be appointed by the management as he is also the vice captain and has 'performed' in this series too.
    Out of the two, I would really prefer Sarfraz to stay and I think he should be given some leeway since he's also managing his batting with his keeping and captaincy. Also lest we forget, he did also score a 50 in the first innings at Cape Town, so Shafiq hasn't really done a whole lot better despite being the specialist batsman.

    If someone is to be chopped, I hope it Shafiq or both of them.
    Last edited by shaaik; 6th January 2019 at 23:55.


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    Fawad alam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    Fawad Alam.
    Its now or never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Out of the two, I would really prefer Sarfraz to stay and I think he should be given some leeway since he's also managing his batting with his keeping and captaincy. Also last we forget, he did also score a 50 in the first innings at Cape Town, so Shafiq hasn't really done a whole lot better despite being the speicliast batsman.

    If someone is to be chopped, I hope it Shafiq or both if them.
    Leading in all the three formats is taking its toll on Sarfaraz now and besides i don't think he has the intellect or skill that winning Tests requires and the less said about Shafiq with his consistently dropping mediocre average the better.

    But unfortunately there is absolutely not one person who comes to mind who might be suitable for leading the test side.It is a huge blunder on PCBs part to not have groomed a youngster for taking over.
    As it is they might drop Sarfaraz and appoint Shafiq in his place or even worse,leave it just the way it is.Unfortunate but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    Leading in all the three formats is taking its toll on Sarfaraz now and besides i don't think he has the intellect or skill that winning Tests requires and the less said about Shafiq with his consistently dropping mediocre average the better.

    But unfortunately there is absolutely not one person who comes to mind who might be suitable for leading the test side.It is a huge blunder on PCBs part to not have groomed a youngster for taking over.
    As it is they might drop Sarfaraz and appoint Shafiq in his place or even worse,leave it just the way it is.Unfortunate but true.
    I don't think Sarfraz possesses any special quality to continue as captain but I don't think it's his captaincy that is costing us all these matches and causing matches and series to be lost. It's the continual failure of the batting to score above 200 that's losing us these tests and Sarfraz's batting is a big part of that, how much the captaincy is detrimenting his batting cannot be known but it's a balancing act. Is it worth sacking Sarfraz and possibly creating an unstable unit heading into the world cup or is it worth keeping him on until the world cup is over?

    Another possibility is to sack him only from the test captaincy but the issue there is whether the mental fracture caused by the move will impact his psyche leading into the WC or even his playing ability. There are so many unknowns here.

    At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Shafiq is given another carrot he doesn't deserve.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    I don't think Sarfraz possesses any special quality to continue as captain but I don't think it's his captaincy that is costing us all these matches and causing matches and series to be lost. It's the continual failure of the batting to score above 200 that's losing us these tests and Sarfraz's batting is a big part of that, how much the captaincy is detrimenting his batting cannot be known but it's a balancing act. Is it worth sacking Sarfraz and possibly creating an unstable unit heading into the world cup or is it worth keeping him on until the world cup is over?

    Another possibility is to sack him only from the test captaincy but the issue there is whether the mental fracture caused by the move will impact his psyche leading into the WC or even his playing ability. There are so many unknowns here.

    At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Shafiq is given another carrot he doesn't deserve.
    Well to be honest Sarfaraz should also be removed as captain of the ODI team. Its not like as we are winning ODIs under his leadership. All he has to show is one Champions trophy, and thats it!

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    Asad has disappointed you all.
    He has hit cute 88 and booked his place for next 2 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    If you were to pick any middle order batsman in Pakistan to replace the Talented One, who would it be?

    Discuss.
    Saud Shakeel, Fawad Alam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    I don't think Sarfraz possesses any special quality to continue as captain but I don't think it's his captaincy that is costing us all these matches and causing matches and series to be lost. It's the continual failure of the batting to score above 200 that's losing us these tests and Sarfraz's batting is a big part of that, how much the captaincy is detrimenting his batting cannot be known but it's a balancing act. Is it worth sacking Sarfraz and possibly creating an unstable unit heading into the world cup or is it worth keeping him on until the world cup is over?

    Another possibility is to sack him only from the test captaincy but the issue there is whether the mental fracture caused by the move will impact his psyche leading into the WC or even his playing ability. There are so many unknowns here.

    At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Shafiq is given another carrot he doesn't deserve.
    The batting is an issue but when has Pakistan's batting ever been good.there have always been collapses with one or two players here and there stabilising the innings,we as a cricketing nation have rarely ever been known for our batting its always the bowling.Although it has now regressed beyond the norm but Sarfaraz's captaincy is to blame.He never gives confidence to the players,rather is seen losing his temper demanding perfection on every ball.His field placements are not the best and he never puts pressure on new batsmen by adding more slips or being attacking.If a wicket is down the field settings release the pressure by allowing singles etc.Sometimes his bowling changes also baffle me.While in limited overs it might not affect a lot but in Tests it is as visible as the sun in the sky.Where you have to improvise and take the 10 wickets its not helpful and if our bowlers have an off day the opposition ends up scoring mammoth totals.If our bowlers were not skilled enough we would be losing the limited matches we are winning here and there.

    His selection has also proven to be atrocious and for people who say he does not have much of a say in the selection that is even more alarming.It means he is a weak puppet which is not good either.So I do believe that if we win matches it is mostly due to indiviual performances and heroics and not his innovative decisions as a captain.

    As for sacking sarfaraz before the world cup might actually be a blessing for all we know,i mean he himself was appointed a few months before the Champions trophy and we ended up winning it.But then again like you said its an unknown future ahead.There are ifs and buts and we can not be sure what will be the correct move.
    It baffles me how we have not groomed even ONE player to take over.Babar is supposedly our vice captain in odis but for me he is not fit for leadership.All i can say is I am glad i am not a part of the PCB management.A huge headache is looming over them in terms of selection and leadership and we will have to experiment as we have no other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Well to be honest Sarfaraz should also be removed as captain of the ODI team. Its not like as we are winning ODIs under his leadership. All he has to show is one Champions trophy, and thats it!
    Quite frankly speaking, I think it's too late to remove Sarfraz as the ODI captain now as we're around 6 months from the world cup and appointing a new captain in such a time frame cannot lead to success if the team is not settled.


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    He is irreplaceable now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    The batting is an issue but when has Pakistan's batting ever been good.there have always been collapses with one or two players here and there stabilising the innings,we as a cricketing nation have rarely ever been known for our batting its always the bowling.Although it has now regressed beyond the norm but Sarfaraz's captaincy is to blame.He never gives confidence to the players,rather is seen losing his temper demanding perfection on every ball.His field placements are not the best and he never puts pressure on new batsmen by adding more slips or being attacking.If a wicket is down the field settings release the pressure by allowing singles etc.Sometimes his bowling changes also baffle me.While in limited overs it might not affect a lot but in Tests it is as visible as the sun in the sky.Where you have to improvise and take the 10 wickets its not helpful and if our bowlers have an off day the opposition ends up scoring mammoth totals.If our bowlers were not skilled enough we would be losing the limited matches we are winning here and there.

    His selection has also proven to be atrocious and for people who say he does not have much of a say in the selection that is even more alarming.It means he is a weak puppet which is not good either.So I do believe that if we win matches it is mostly due to indiviual performances and heroics and not his innovative decisions as a captain.

    As for sacking sarfaraz before the world cup might actually be a blessing for all we know,i mean he himself was appointed a few months before the Champions trophy and we ended up winning it.But then again like you said its an unknown future ahead.There are ifs and buts and we can not be sure what will be the correct move.
    It baffles me how we have not groomed even ONE player to take over.Babar is supposedly our vice captain in odis but for me he is not fit for leadership.All i can say is I am glad i am not a part of the PCB management.A huge headache is looming over them in terms of selection and leadership and we will have to experiment as we have no other option.
    Yes, the batting has always been the weaker suit, but even so, Pakistan have been quite a good batting outfit in Asia throughout history - they really have not lost a significant amount of series in Asia, particularly at home and that's because the bowling has been great and the batting has stood up when its needed. Now, both have regressed undoubtedly but even if you consider either form based on their respective strengths, it's the batting for me that has declined more or the one that has led to losing matches. With the bowling, you still have Abbas, Amir and SSA as pacers who aren't great but will pose problems for any batting line-up if they have runs to defend and Yasir for Asian conditions. With the batting, it's now common knowledge that if you put Pakistan under a little of bit pressure in the latter part of a test, they will fold and hand you the match. This has happened sporadically across our history, but in the past 4-5 years, these collapses in the latter part of a test have become consistent and have created an existential problem for the team.

    I agree with you on Sarfraz, he's nothing special as a captain - doesn't really have a persona or aura, not really a motivator of his team/man manager, doesn't lead from the front and is most certainly not a tactical genius. If anything, his captaincy has led to regression: in terms of his input as a wicket-keeper and batsman and the overall morale of the team, as they have no one to look up to, to encourage them to stand up and fight.

    Regarding ODI captaincy, I don't really see anyone that is experienced enough and also secure enough in the team to become captain just before such a big assignment. For example, England sacked Cook a year before the 2015 WC and they still sucked at the WC and got knocked out by Bangladesh in the QFs. Rather hope for a upturn in form now IMO as time is very scarce now.


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    Drop Asad ,Bring Fawad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainul View Post
    Drop Asad ,Bring Fawad
    Seems like Fawad is a popular choice to replace Shafiq, but will Inzi oblige?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Yes, the batting has always been the weaker suit, but even so, Pakistan have been quite a good batting outfit in Asia throughout history - they really have not lost a significant amount of series in Asia, particularly at home and that's because the bowling has been great and the batting has stood up when its needed. Now, both have regressed undoubtedly but even if you consider either form based on their respective strengths, it's the batting for me that has declined more or the one that has led to losing matches. With the bowling, you still have Abbas, Amir and SSA as pacers who aren't great but will pose problems for any batting line-up if they have runs to defend and Yasir for Asian conditions. With the batting, it's now common knowledge that if you put Pakistan under a little of bit pressure in the latter part of a test, they will fold and hand you the match. This has happened sporadically across our history, but in the past 4-5 years, these collapses in the latter part of a test have become consistent and have created an existential problem for the team.

    I agree with you on Sarfraz, he's nothing special as a captain - doesn't really have a persona or aura, not really a motivator of his team/man manager, doesn't lead from the front and is most certainly not a tactical genius. If anything, his captaincy has led to regression: in terms of his input as a wicket-keeper and batsman and the overall morale of the team, as they have no one to look up to, to encourage them to stand up and fight.

    Regarding ODI captaincy, I don't really see anyone that is experienced enough and also secure enough in the team to become captain just before such a big assignment. For example, England sacked Cook a year before the 2015 WC and they still sucked at the WC and got knocked out by Bangladesh in the QFs. Rather hope for a upturn in form now IMO as time is very scarce now.
    I highly doubt the PCB will remove Sarfaraz from captaincy.
    Atleast not till the worldcup and when we crash out of it humiliated and there is uproar on the media and all platforms then they would be pressured and might remove him.

    As for tests our next assignment is not till after the worldcup and by then either everything will be forgiven and forgotten or Sarafarz would have been removed as a leader from all forms anyways because of a possible embarassment at the worldcup.
    Right now i don't really foresee any changes atleast not in the LOI captaincy.Which is a shame because i feel if we have the right person on the forefront who gives chances to deserving players,inspires the current players and has his own performances to back him up this team can rise,even though it will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    I highly doubt the PCB will remove Sarfaraz from captaincy.
    Atleast not till the worldcup and when we crash out of it humiliated and there is uproar on the media and all platforms then they would be pressured and might remove him.

    As for tests our next assignment is not till after the worldcup and by then either everything will be forgiven and forgotten or Sarafarz would have been removed as a leader from all forms anyways because of a possible embarassment at the worldcup.
    Right now i don't really foresee any changes atleast not in the LOI captaincy.Which is a shame because i feel if we have the right person on the forefront who gives chances to deserving players,inspires the current players and has his own performances to back him up this team can rise,even though it will take time.
    Yeah, seems like it and I guess we just have to pray and hope that out of the chaos we find a solution.

    Either way, removing deadwood like Shafiq out of the team would definitely help to bolster the side's chances of competing better at home in tests.


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    Another embarrassing decision by Shafiq to ask for a night-watchman after Pakistan were already down by 2 wickets and really needed a calm and confident presence at the crease. Instead, we got a decision of utter cowardice from the golden boy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Another embarrassing decision by Shafiq to ask for a night-watchman after Pakistan were already down by 2 wickets and really needed a calm and confident presence at the crease. Instead, we got a decision of utter cowardice from the golden boy.
    C'mon dude poor attempt to bump your thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    C'mon dude poor attempt to bump your thread
    You must be an Asad fan, don't worry, he'll score some runs when this match's outcome is out of Pakistan's hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    You must be an Asad fan, don't worry, he'll score some runs when this match's outcome is out of Pakistan's hands.
    His job is to score runs and he does it better than most Pakistanis. I support the team and whoever performs. Not individual players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman;10072871[B
    ]His job is to score runs and he does it better than most Pakistanis[/B]. I support the team and whoever performs. Not individual players.
    I don't think there is much evidence for that, whereas there's plenty to remove him from the team.


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    The golden boy won't be removed now, especially with the form Azhar is in.

    In the name of experience, he will remain in the team and the torture will continue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    His job is to score runs and he does it better than most Pakistanis. I support the team and whoever performs. Not individual players.
    Do you want the team to win matches or do you want moral victories?


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    Fawad Alam to replace Asad as player and Sarfraz as captain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Another embarrassing decision by Shafiq to ask for a night-watchman after Pakistan were already down by 2 wickets and really needed a calm and confident presence at the crease. Instead, we got a decision of utter cowardice from the golden boy.
    In that case, it looks like Asad acted in the team's best interests.

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    @Haroon786 See? Massive credit to Asad for not leaving us 3 down at stumps yesterday.

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    Absolutely pathetic by Asad Shafiq today. What a weird way to get out. Nicking behind off a bouncer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    The golden boy won't be removed now, especially with the form Azhar is in.

    In the name of experience, he will remain in the team and the torture will continue.
    There's literally just one fluke innings separating the two in this series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ARK Rafay View Post
    Fawad Alam to replace Asad as player and Sarfraz as captain
    Fawad as captain? Don't really know much about his captaincy credentials, has he led a domestic team before?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    In that case, it looks like Asad acted in the team's best interests.
    Asad acting in the best interest of the team would be retiring immediately from all forms of international cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    @Haroon786 See? Massive credit to Asad for not leaving us 3 down at stumps yesterday.
    Indeed, let's hope we get one more courageous, final decision from Asad after this match. Though it is a fantasy to expect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    Absolutely pathetic by Asad Shafiq today. What a weird way to get out. Nicking behind off a bouncer.
    Indeed, he was scared of fighting it out and copping damaging blows from the SA pace barrage and instead shamelessly didn't care about getting out.


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    I have no problem if a batsman is out to a good ball, but when a batsman is out to a lazy shot like Asad was today, then that is unforgiveable.

    He looks mentally gone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I have no problem if a batsman is out to a good ball, but when a batsman is out to a lazy shot like Asad was today, then that is unforgiveable.

    He looks mentally gone.
    Let's hope that the selectors do the right thing after this series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Let's hope that the selectors do the right thing after this series.
    Let's hope he does the right thing after this test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baigel View Post
    Let's hope he does the right thing after this test
    He's getting played millions for doing a shoddy job and being Pakistani, I don't think he'll bring it on to himself. However, if he does go ahead and make the call, that will be major kudos to him.


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    At this stage, I'd be happy with anyone playing ahead of Asad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blistering Barnacle View Post
    At this stage, I'd be happy with anyone playing ahead of Asad.
    Pretty much stole words from my mouth.

    Anybody but Shafiq!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Pretty much stole words from my mouth.

    Anybody but Shafiq!
    Let's just hope the selectors oblige.


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