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    "For the batters now it has become a mental battle" : Mickey Arthur

    CENTURION: Pakistan’s batsmen are facing a mental battle in South Africa after being dismissed for less than 200 for the third time in a row, their coach Mickey Arthur said on Thursday.

    Pakistan were bowled out for 177 in the opening two sessions of the first day of the second test at Newlands, showing no improvement from the first test in Pretoria when they scored 181 and 190 and lost by six wickets.

    “For the batters now it has become a mental battle. Physically, we’ve prepared them as best we can but we have to try now and get them in the best possible (mental) space to try and go out there and perform,” Arthur told reporters after Thursday’s play where the visitors were subjected to a barrage of hostile pace bowling.

    “Conditions are very different and it is a massive learning curve for many of our players; they are learning their trade out here.

    “We have to keep hammering the lessons home, both in training and in the games,” said the 50-year-old South African-born Arthur, who has previously coached both his home country and Australia.

    “We’ve prepared as best we could but it is one thing preparing and then another going out there and executing.

    “The players will hopefully grow and learn and we’ll put something together in the second innings,” he added.

    Pakistan have a meagre 54-run lead going into Friday’s second day with South Africa set to resume on 123-2.

    “We’ve got to try and control the damage in terms of our bowling,” Arthur said. “I thought we gave away too many runs today. We’ve got to start controlling the run rate a little more and put pressure on them.”

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    Preparation? Azhar, Asad and sarfraz have played in these conditions before yet once again on the whole look clueless. It was clearly obvious how imam struggled in UAE vs new zealand he would also struggle here aswell.

    We failed to pick any back up middle order batsmen which means all the middle order are in comfort zone, no one gets dropped even if they play poorly. Have any batsmen tried to change their game to combat conditions except shan masood? No.

    In uae our batsmen dead bat everything, now we decide to play shot a ball when you have to earn right to score runs.

    While a 3-0 defeat mean players are dropped? No

    Next tests are 7 months away then we will get same failures picked vs SL. Followed by same rubbish selections in Australia where we will need experienced heads or sort of non sense comments like that from captain and coach, selectors etc..

    Is Azhar going to get better? No - hes on his last legs

    Is Asad is going to get better? No - because, hes never dropped, challenged to play again.

    Haris sohails knees probably mean he wont be around for to long.

    After this series pick 3 new middle order players + babar going forward. Are we likely to see instance results? Probsbly not but no point picking same mentally shot players. Time to move forward and invest in longterm building. That wont happen with current captain or cheif selector.

    If team had prepared we wouldnt have played hafeez in 5 tests snd would have tried out a few middle order batsmen before this tour.

    We are are poor side but our preparation, planning and using best resources we have is a joke.

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    One practice match before the first Test.

    Picking players for the Test squad who are ODI and T20I specialists.

    No psychologist with the squad.

    The list can go on.



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    It's better to try very young batters and then groom them on job its the only way forward and has always been for pak cricket.

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    Imam has potential. The opposition bowlers just don't give him chance to display it. Once he gets lucky and confidence grows he is good

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    Could Umar Akmal have done worse than the likes of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    One practice match before the first Test.

    Picking players for the Test squad who are ODI and T20I specialists.

    No psychologist with the squad.

    The list can go on.
    The lessons that are being learned about Imam and Fakhar Zaman against the new ball on bouncy wickets should have been learned in 3 side matches before the Test.

    I don't understand:

    1. Why Pakistan's response to doing WELL when they arrive early in England and PRACTICE IN LOCAL CONDITIONS is to keep arriving in Australia and South Africa at the last minute.

    2. Which idiot decided to play the ODI and T20 series in the UAE against New Zealand BEFORE The Test matches? If they had done it the other way round, almost everyone in this team could have been in South Africa three weeks earlier.

    3. Why does Inzamam think that the same players are suited to UAE Tests and series on bouncy tracks overseas? The Horses for Courses approach would have seen Umar Akmal bat at Number 6 in South Africa where he would quite probably do really well.

    4. Why is Moral Dogma allowed to lead to the exclusion of perfectly viable players. On another thread I dismantled the "evidence" which convicted Sharjeel Khan.

    But anyone who watched the Pink Ball QEA Final two years ago knows that Salman Butt is far more suited to scoring runs in these conditions than Fakhar Zaman or Imam-ul-Haq.

    And we all know that if you intend to play a bowler bowling at 125K, you are going to get more out of Mohammad Asif than a half-fit Mohammad Abbas.

    You could actually assemble a Horses for Courses team and squad that could have done well in South Africa even without the injured Haris Sohail and Mohammad Abbas and mentally-shot Sarfraz Ahmed.

    But it would have looked like this:

    1. Azhar Ali
    2. Shan Masood (who has been a lovely surprise)
    3. Asad Shafiq
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Umar Akmal
    6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Faheem Ashraf
    9. Mohammad Amir
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Mohammad Asif

    Reserves:
    12. Salman Butt
    13. Sharjeel Khan
    14. Usman Salahuddin
    15. Ehsan Adil
    16. Hasan Ali
    17. Hammad Azam
    18. Mohammad Abbas in case he recovered

    I would back my squad and team over the real one, every day of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Could Umar Akmal have done worse than the likes of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq?
    Of course Umar Akmal would have done well at Number 6 against the old ball, as @MMHS and I pointed out a month ago.

    But what a catastrophic decision it was for Pakistan to throw him aside on character grounds. In fact, I feel a new thread coming along.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    One practice match before the first Test.

    Picking players for the Test squad who are ODI and T20I specialists.

    No psychologist with the squad.

    The list can go on.
    I think a psychologist can help Pakistan team a lot. Not sure why they don't take help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    I think a psychologist can help Pakistan team a lot. Not sure why they don't take help.
    We don’t need a psychiatrist. We need stability and players who can perform like Saad, Saud and Rizwan included in place of imam, azhar and asad. We would have done way better than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Of course Umar Akmal would have done well at Number 6 against the old ball, as @MMHS and I pointed out a month ago.

    But what a catastrophic decision it was for Pakistan to throw him aside on character grounds. In fact, I feel a new thread coming along.........
    My question is, despite being a South African and playing FC cricket there for 15 years, then coaching another 15 - WHY Arthur is still opening with the sitting duck Fakhar, who can play (at least try) a similar role from No. 6? I believe Arthur is extremely egoistic personality who has his favorites. Few months back FZ mentioned that he would loved to be coached by Arthur for whole life, and I am sure players like Sarfraz, Imam, Asad, Azhar, Imad, Nawaz, Shan, Babar will say the same.

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    I fear for Mickey Arthur's bearings, the boys have given him an absolute night mare in the last 6 weeks. I am pretty sure once the journey is over, he is going to punish a lot of players especially Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and maybe even Sarfaraz

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    If experienced players are suffering from mental issues then it is time to say goodbye to them.

    Earlier i mentioned it was a mistake to drop azhar from the opening slot to strengthen the middle order when he was scoring centuries abroad. Also mentioned that sarfraz is not thr right choice for test captaincy and i voted for azhar ali to be the test captaincy. Sarfraz is not dhoni, even msd failed as a test captain or in other words he didnt succeed as much as the LOI captaincy


    Now it looks like both decisions are costing them too much, from rank 1 to rank 6 losing a home series with NZL which is totally unacceptable

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    Shan Masood didn't seem to have too many mental issues, or have as many problems adapting to playing outside Asia, despite not having top level experience abroad. I think that suggests that those who failed to cope either have mental issues or poor techniques which are useless in more demanding conditions.


    I for one welcome our new In____ overlords - Kent Brockman

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp812rediff View Post
    Imam has potential. The opposition bowlers just don't give him chance to display it. Once he gets lucky and confidence grows he is good
    How dare they??? those damn position bowlers earning the money they are paid!! Outrage - there must be a rule against this - oh wait.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    My question is, despite being a South African and playing FC cricket there for 15 years, then coaching another 15 - WHY Arthur is still opening with the sitting duck Fakhar, who can play (at least try) a similar role from No. 6? I believe Arthur is extremely egoistic personality who has his favorites. Few months back FZ mentioned that he would loved to be coached by Arthur for whole life, and I am sure players like Sarfraz, Imam, Asad, Azhar, Imad, Nawaz, Shan, Babar will say the same.
    Its because those you've named have bothered to learn how to make his cup of tea and they get his shoes shining just right!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    My question is, despite being a South African and playing FC cricket there for 15 years, then coaching another 15 - WHY Arthur is still opening with the sitting duck Fakhar, who can play (at least try) a similar role from No. 6? I believe Arthur is extremely egoistic personality who has his favorites. Few months back FZ mentioned that he would loved to be coached by Arthur for whole life, and I am sure players like Sarfraz, Imam, Asad, Azhar, Imad, Nawaz, Shan, Babar will say the same.
    The coach is allowed to have his own opinions. He sees something we don’t. I am ok with giving him those leeway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    One practice match before the first Test.

    Picking players for the Test squad who are ODI and T20I specialists.

    No psychologist with the squad.

    The list can go on.
    Saj as a psychiatrist I’ve offered free work for PCB (along with a colleague) for the team in England from May. I have not heard anything.

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    All players are mentally fragile. It's a time wide state of mind.


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