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    South Africa vs Pakistan | 3rd Test | Johannesburg | Jan 11-15, 2019 | Pre-Match Discussion Thread

    1) Shan Masood
    2) Azhar Ali/Imam ul Haq
    3) Asad Shafiq
    4) Babar Azam
    5) Mohd Rizwan
    6) Shadab Khan
    7) Faheem Ashraf
    8) Hassan Ali
    9) Mohd Amir
    10) Mohd Abbas
    11) Shaheen Afridi

    I think this is the best possible combination that can be played and the bowlers will have full license to go full throttle at full pace while Abbas and Ashraf can do the holding job.

    Shadab and Faheem cannot do worse than Fakhar and Sarfaraz with the bat. Play the best possible team from the squad of 15 to win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    1) Shan Masood
    2) Azhar Ali/Imam ul Haq
    3) Asad Shafiq
    4) Babar Azam
    5) Mohd Rizwan
    6) Shadab Khan
    7) Faheem Ashraf
    8) Hassan Ali
    9) Mohd Amir
    10) Mohd Abbas
    11) Shaheen Afridi

    I think this is the best possible combination that can be played and the bowlers will have full license to go full throttle at full pace while Abbas and Ashraf can do the holding job.

    Shadab and Faheem cannot do worse than Fakhar and Sarfaraz with the bat. Play the best possible team from the squad of 15 to win
    They couldn’t do any worse, but the length of the tail worries me.

    Even if it’s that team minus Hasan Ali but plus Sarfraz I’d be okay with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    They couldn’t do any worse, but the length of the tail worries me.

    Even if it’s that team minus Hasan Ali but plus Sarfraz I’d be okay with it.
    5 pacers with Shadab as the spinner will give 4 of them to go 100% in all of their spells. Shadab already has 3 50's and Faheem has a 50 already. We need a full throttle pace attack to maximize our chances, our tail is what it is so can't do much about it. Sarfaraz is an utter waste in the team right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    5 pacers with Shadab as the spinner will give 4 of them to go 100% in all of their spells. Shadab already has 3 50's and Faheem has a 50 already. We need a full throttle pace attack to maximize our chances, our tail is what it is so can't do much about it. Sarfaraz is an utter waste in the team right now
    I actually agree!

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    1. Imam ul-Haq
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Asad Shafiq
    5. Babar Azam
    6. Sarfraz Ahmed*+
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Faheem Ashraf
    9. Mohammad Amir
    10. Hasan Ali
    11. Mohammad Abbas

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    Shan
    Azhar
    Shafiq
    Babar
    Rizwaan
    Sarfraz
    Faheem
    Shadab
    Shaheen
    Abbas
    Amir
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    Batting for me is a no brainer, Imam and Fakher out - Azhar opens and Faheem comes in.

    The bowling is harder to choose. It's definitely gonna be a fast bowlers wicket and Hasan will be the fresh after missing the second Test. The question is should he be played over Shadab or will Shadab's batting be needed more?

    I'm leaning towards Hasan Ali only because I think Sarfraz is a bit harsh on his spinners and uses them too defensively but usually has good sense when rotating his fast bowlers.

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    Shan
    Azhar
    Babar
    Asad
    Fakhar
    Rizwan
    Shadab
    Faheem
    Hasan
    Amir
    Abbas

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    1. Shan Masood
    2. Imam
    3. Azhar
    4. Asad
    5. Babar
    6. Fakhar
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Hasan
    9. Amir
    10. Abbas
    11. Shaheen

    I'd have dropped Asad for Faheem but Asad kept his place off his recent performance. I don't think it hurts giving Fakhar a go at 6 since it's last test, he's likely gone next series anyway and I don't think it's right to bring in Rizwan for 1 match with no practice games, and is likely not going to be inducted in next tour as isn't first choice replacement in middle order. Let's experiment and give Fakhar a whole test, i.e. 2 innings at 6 and see if he can thrive as a middle order bat.

    Hasan in for Yasir simply as I think we take a risk go all out with a pace attack and hope we can bowl out SA cheaply in the 1st innings and get a big lead ourselves so 2nd innings doesn't come much into play.

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    Should go with the following

    Shan Masood (C)
    Ahmad Shahzad
    Asad Shafiq
    Babar Azam
    Fawad Alam
    Umar Akmal (WK)
    Faheem Ashraf
    Shadab Khan
    Anwar Ali
    Mohammad Amir
    Mohammad Asif

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    Imam
    Azhar
    Shan
    Babar
    Shafiq
    Sarfaraz
    Shadab
    Faheem
    Amir
    Hassan
    Shaheen.

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    @Junaids @MMHS

    40 runs and FaF postponed it to next day when SA could have chased it on day 3 if they wanted to.
    FaF has just extended the miseries for one day more when opposition is down.

    Don't know why FaF pushed it to 4th day but by postponing this chase to next day, SA might just have won the 3rd test already. Has he done it deliberately ?

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    Masood
    Imam
    Azhar
    Asad
    Azam
    Rizwan
    Saf
    Amir
    Ali
    Abbas
    Afridi

    Reckon that's how you should approach it.

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    In my opinion Shaheen Shah should be rested

    1) Imam Ul Haq
    2) Azhar Ali (Left/Right Combo)
    3) Shan Masood
    4) Asad Shafiq
    5) Babar Azam
    6) M Rizwan
    7) Sarfaraz Ahmed
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) M Amir
    10) Hasan Ali
    11) M Abbas

    This should be the line up in my opinion as Shadab can't do any worse than Yasir Shah at the moment..

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    1) Imam Ul Haq
    2) Shan Masood
    3) Azhar Ali
    4) Asad Shafiq
    5) Babar Azam
    6) M Rizwan
    7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (c) (wk)
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) Hasan Ali
    10) M Amir
    11) M Abbas

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    Out - Asad Shafiq, Fakhar Zaman, Imam ul Haq, Sarfraz Ahmed, Yasir Shah, Azhar Ali

    In - Mohammad Rizwan, Faheem Ashraf, Shadab Khan.

    Playing xi:

    1)Shan Masood (c)
    2)Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    3) Babar Azam
    4) Faheem Ashraf
    5) Shadab Khan
    6)Mohammad Amir
    7)Hasan Ali
    8) Mohammad Abbas
    9) Shaheen Afridi
    10) Due to lack of back up Batsmen and Bowlers, the squad could not be completed.

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    Stats for Wanderers
    Total matches LAST 5
    Matches won batting first 3
    Matches won bowling first 1
    Average 1st Inns scores 338
    Average 2nd Inns scores 222
    Average 3rd Inns scores 254
    Average 4th Inns scores 205
    Highest total recorded 488/10 (136.5 Ov) by RSA vs AUS
    Lowest total recorded 83/10 (33.1 Ov) by RSA vs Eng

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    Don't play a damn specialist spinner.


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    How do you expect the pitch to play & what bowling attack would you like to see from both sides .
    Personally i would like 5 bowling options in both 11's .

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    We need to drop Yasir Shah.Hassan needs to come in.
    Faheem would also be good in place of Imam or Fakhar.He cant do worse than them in terms of batting and his bowling would be a plus.
    Other than that there are lots of passengars but not much to choose from as the 15 players are so limited in terms of abilities and benefits they may provide.And besides the team management will not make any drastic changes as it is.
    Azhar
    Imam
    Shan
    Asad
    Babar
    Sarfaraz(C)
    Faheem
    Amir
    Hassan
    Abbas
    Shaheen.

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    Only two changes required. Yasir's replaced by Hasan Ali and Fakhar replaced by Shadab. Shadab will be able to score the runs Fakhar has contributed so far. Fakhar just needs to sort out his technique for long format and then return to Pakistan test team on next tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Patriot View Post
    We need to drop Yasir Shah.Hassan needs to come in.
    Faheem would also be good in place of Imam or Fakhar.He cant do worse than them in terms of batting and his bowling would be a plus.
    Other than that there are lots of passengars but not much to choose from as the 15 players are so limited in terms of abilities and benefits they may provide.And besides the team management will not make any drastic changes as it is.
    Azhar
    Imam
    Shan
    Asad
    Babar
    Sarfaraz(C)
    Faheem
    Amir
    Hassan
    Abbas
    Shaheen.
    nice 11 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILcricket View Post
    nice 11 .
    5 pacers overkill. Shadab would be better for variety and is more sensible batsman.

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    RSA should go in with

    1. Elgar
    2. Markram
    3. Amla
    4. Zubayr
    5. Faf
    6. Bavuma
    7. QDK
    8. KG
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    Olivier looked tired after those long spells of continuously hitting the deck and Philander rarely looked a threat at his favourite venue. If Olivier is fit and capable of bowling quick, he should play. The other spot can go either to Keshav or Dane Paterson. If Olivier is unfit, both should play. Theunis misses out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    5 pacers overkill. Shadab would be better for variety and is more sensible batsman.
    It would be a tossup between Shadab or Faheem but i'd still back Faheem as Johannesbourg is the only ground apart from Sabrina Park in Jamaica in which fast bowlers have a strike rate of below 50 and is in the top 5 grounds since 2002 where fast bowlers have had the lowest average.

    If there was any ground which would have offered help to the spinners it would have been newlands and if a specialist spinner couldn't do anything here i doubt Shadab will be able to and that too in Jo'berg which doesn't offer much for spinners.In terms of batting he is better than Faheem but not good enough to be added as a specialist batsmen and so i'd still chose Faheem for he is not far behind with a 50 under his belt in the 3 matches he has played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    1) Shan Masood
    2) Azhar Ali/Imam ul Haq
    3) Asad Shafiq
    4) Babar Azam
    5) Mohd Rizwan
    6) Shadab Khan
    7) Faheem Ashraf
    8) Hassan Ali
    9) Mohd Amir
    10) Mohd Abbas
    11) Shaheen Afridi

    I think this is the best possible combination that can be played and the bowlers will have full license to go full throttle at full pace while Abbas and Ashraf can do the holding job.

    Shadab and Faheem cannot do worse than Fakhar and Sarfaraz with the bat. Play the best possible team from the squad of 15 to win
    Hahahah to these unrealistic scenarios. Sarfraz will play next match.

    The way Sarfraz criticised bowlers, Amir looks doubtful and he deserves it. Better for Faheem and Shadab stay away from this loser team. Let the selector nephew and leeches like Shafiq and Azhar stay on. Tour is already over, they can't win this series. A reaction is required by the public against PCB. For that we need a team who could go down under 49 total the last time they toured Jo'burg with Misbah and Younis

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    I would be careful with Shaheen. He is still only 18 and already bowling so many overs.


    "You aren't a failure if you fail, you are a failure if you don't get up to try again" - Imran Khan.

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    This is the line up I would go with


    Shan
    Imam
    Azhar
    Babar
    Asad
    Fakhar
    Rizwan
    Faheem
    Hasan Ali
    Amir
    Abbas

    Protect Shaheen for the ODIs. No point in running him into the ground. Sarfraz deserves to be dropped and it isn't good for his mental state to keep getting thrashed . Have to stick with the same batting line up as we have no other options.

    For captaincy don't real mind who it is. Shan,Azhar,or Asad. Doesn't make a difference. We than will have months to decide who will be the long term captain in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    5 pacers overkill. Shadab would be better for variety and is more sensible batsman.
    not saying 5 pacers . Five bowling options is what i like to see in a Test 11 .

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    Is Faf suspended for 3rd Test over 2nd offence in 12 months ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    I would be careful with Shaheen. He is still only 18 and already bowling so many overs.
    He has an extra two days off now.

    Playing Yasir Shah is now totally discredited, so we know there will be four quicks, and that will give him plenty rest.

    FAF is definitely out, Markram is almost certainly out and Amla is doubtful.

    Why wouldnít you pick your most hostile attack, especially on the bounciest wicket in the world?

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    With Faf & perhaps Markram out , visitors on back of their improved showing with bat have a great chance to grab a win .

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    @Junaids @MMHS

    40 runs and FaF postponed it to next day when SA could have chased it on day 3 if they wanted to.
    FaF has just extended the miseries for one day more when opposition is down.

    Don't know why FaF pushed it to 4th day but by postponing this chase to next day, SA might just have won the 3rd test already. Has he done it deliberately ?
    I think Umpires didnít agree. The game was scheduled to finish at 5:30 (or 4:30), with half an hour extension for slow over rate. PAK was all out at 6:04 (5:04), on the possible last over of the day including half an hour extension. 10 minutes for change of innings means SAF could have started their innings 45 minutes after scheduled finish and they would have needed close to an hour to chase this. Light might be an issue, and definitely broadcast schedule.

    That extension rule is also for max. 30 minutes and only if chances are high that game will be finished in that time. Once Inzamam didnít extend the game when 18-19 was required and he with MoYo were in middle (and & 80% chance of thunderstorm next day), because he didnít know the extension rule. Here donít think is the case - Umpires knew that SAF would have required to come next morning in any case.

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    My playing XI will be

    Azhar
    Shan
    Asad*
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Rizwan+
    Shadab/Fahim
    Amir
    Hassan
    Abbas
    Shaheen

    Before having a look at the Jíburg track canít choose between Shadab or Fahim.

    And, I am picking one of them because I belive theyíll bat better than Imam. Had Haris been fit, surely I would have played him and 4 pacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I think Umpires didnít agree. The game was scheduled to finish at 5:30 (or 4:30), with half an hour extension for slow over rate. PAK was all out at 6:04 (5:04), on the possible last over of the day including half an hour extension. 10 minutes for change of innings means SAF could have started their innings 45 minutes after scheduled finish and they would have needed close to an hour to chase this. Light might be an issue, and definitely broadcast schedule.

    That extension rule is also for max. 30 minutes and only if chances are high that game will be finished in that time. Once Inzamam didnít extend the game when 18-19 was required and he with MoYo were in middle (and & 80% chance of thunderstorm next day), because he didnít know the extension rule. Here donít think is the case - Umpires knew that SAF would have required to come next morning in any case.
    The extra half-hour (530-6) for a slow over rate had already been taken, and then they went into the second extra half-hour which applies only if a result is possible.

    The tenth wicket pair then scored 24 in 2.4 overs, which made a huge difference.

    The wicket fell at 6.04. There had to be a ten minute change of innings and 6.14 pm resumption.

    Without those 24 runs, the umpires would have allowed South Africa to chase a target of 17 in 16 minutes, which is 3 overs.

    But they werenít going to score 41 runs in 3 overs, so the premise for the extra half hour didnít apply, so they called stumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    My playing XI will be

    Azhar
    Shan
    Asad*
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Rizwan+
    Shadab/Fahim
    Amir
    Hassan
    Abbas
    Shaheen

    Before having a look at the Jíburg track canít choose between Shadab or Fahim.

    And, I am picking one of them because I belive theyíll bat better than Imam. Had Haris been fit, surely I would have played him and 4 pacers.
    Why play Fakhar at The Wanderers? The short ball might literally kill the guy who suffered three head injuries even in the Champions Trophy.

    Why not play Faheem instead? He will score more runs and he will reduce the workload of the other quicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    1) Shan Masood
    2) Azhar Ali/Imam ul Haq
    3) Asad Shafiq
    4) Babar Azam
    5) Mohd Rizwan
    6) Shadab Khan
    7) Faheem Ashraf
    8) Hassan Ali
    9) Mohd Amir
    10) Mohd Abbas
    11) Shaheen Afridi

    I think this is the best possible combination that can be played and the bowlers will have full license to go full throttle at full pace while Abbas and Ashraf can do the holding job.

    Shadab and Faheem cannot do worse than Fakhar and Sarfaraz with the bat. Play the best possible team from the squad of 15 to win
    You don’t need so many bowlers.
    First, you add the captain
    Then it’s a debate about fahim or hassan.
    Shadab abd yasir both should play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    You don’t need so many bowlers.
    First, you add the captain
    Then it’s a debate about fahim or hassan.
    Shadab abd yasir both should play
    2 wrist spinners at the Wanderers. Play 4 quicks man. That place is a nightmare or spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    2 wrist spinners at the Wanderers. Play 4 quicks man. That place is a nightmare or spinners.
    This I agree with. Azhar, Shan, Babar, Shafiq, Rizwan, Skipper, Fahim, Aamir, Abbas, Afridi, Shadab. Of course this is the squad we have otherwise would have preferred Usman Salahuddin instead of Rizwan

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    1)Imam
    2)Shan Masood
    3)Azhar Ali
    4)Asad Shafiq
    5)Babar Azam
    6)Sarfraz Ahmed
    7)Faheem Ashraf
    8)Hassan Ali
    9)M Amir
    10)M Abbas
    11)Shaheen Afridi.


    that's my playing 11. We need to go with an all bowling attack and drop Yasir Shah for Hassan Ali.. Also Hassan can bat..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    You donít need so many bowlers.
    First, you add the captain
    Then itís a debate about fahim or hassan.
    Shadab abd yasir both should play
    Itís The Wanderers.

    Spinners are redundant because at altitude the ball bounces over the stumps unless you bowl so full that it can be driven before it spins.

    You need at least 4 quicks.

    My preference has changed since Sarfraz threw the bowlers under the bus at his press conference. Now it would be:

    1. Azhar Ali (honorary captain in his final Test)
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Asad Shafiq
    4. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    5. Babar Azam
    6. Shadab Khan (as a batsman)
    7. Faheem Ashraf
    8. Mohammad Amir
    9. Hasan Ali
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Mohammad Abbas

    Alternatively, keep Sarfraz as keeper and omit Shadab.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Itís The Wanderers.

    Spinners are redundant because at altitude the ball bounces over the stumps unless you bowl so full that it can be driven before it spins.

    You need at least 4 quicks.

    My preference has changed since Sarfraz threw the bowlers under the bus at his press conference. Now it would be:

    1. Azhar Ali (honorary captain in his final Test)
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Asad Shafiq
    4. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    5. Babar Azam
    6. Shadab Khan (as a batsman)
    7. Faheem Ashraf
    8. Mohammad Amir
    9. Hasan Ali
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Mohammad Abbas

    Alternatively, keep Sarfraz as keeper and omit Shadab.
    Realistically you wonít lose the captain on this tour.
    You donít need five pacers. It should be
    Shan, Azhar, babar, Shafiq, Rizwan, Skipper, Fahim, Shadab, Aamir, Afridi, Abbas.
    This is the squad we have but I would have preferred Usman Salahuddin in Rinwans slot and deferred captaincy/wicketkeeping issues to post tour.

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    Already very weak SA batting will be weaker in the last test. Good chance for Pakistan to win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Why play Fakhar at The Wanderers? The short ball might literally kill the guy who suffered three head injuries even in the Champions Trophy.

    Why not play Faheem instead? He will score more runs and he will reduce the workload of the other quicks.
    Because the morally corrupt guy hasnít picked any back up middle order, neither had sent a replacement for Haris, who was confirmed to be injured at least on 1st January (my hunch is 23rd of Dec or earlier) and 3rd Test starts on 11th - there was enough time to fly in Saad or Umar, acclamatize and play in the 3rd Test. I donít want Imam to play through this systematic corruption, but heíll play and might score some as well for trolls here to taunt my post later.

    Coming to Fahim & Shadab, I donít think any of them is better bat than FZ, hence one of them has to sit out. At Jíburg, genuine finger spinners struggle - this guy Shadab is not even a genuine leggi with poor control, but playing 5 pacers makes it completely one dimensional attack, considering Shan also bowls medium pace - hence I am not sure between Fahim & Shadab. If itís a typical Jíburg flyer, I donít mind Fahim, but thatís for his bowling - not sure if heíll score more runs but hope so.

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    It's Joburg. They'll get hammered seeing they can't even deal with the pace of bounce of Newlands and Centurion.
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    Imam
    Shani
    Azhar
    Asad
    Babar
    Rizwan
    Sarfi
    Abbas
    Hasan
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    It is a win toss bat first venue i guess . Will Sarfaraz do it ?

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    Azhar
    Shan
    Rizwan
    Babar
    Fakhar
    Faheem
    Sarfraz
    Amir
    Hasan
    Shaheen
    Abbas

    Would've been a great chance to give Saad, Saud or Usman a go. Can't believe no replacement is being sent out.

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    Great chance to win the third test in absence of FAF n Amla.

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    @mmhw where is Haris Sohail replacement?? The guy called Pakistan CS is trolling us again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    @mmhw where is Haris Sohail replacement?? The guy called Pakistan CS is trolling us again.
    You probably tagged me - CS can't risk to send a replacement now, because I think PAK is certain to play 5123 combination at J'burg; if another middle order plays and scores some runs, 8 months later it'll be difficult for Imam.......

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    Mohammad Rizwan and Faheem Ashraf need to be given a chance.

    If they do play and Pak win because of them - wonder what the reaction will be then?


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    I checked just now , some weather on day 1 , 2 & 5 . This needs to be monitored .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Already very weak SA batting will be weaker in the last test. Good chance for Pakistan to win.
    I'm ready for the golden era threads.

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    As per Mickey Arthur, Shadab is fit again to play and could be featuring in the final Test.


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    Will be a moral win if we can last 5 days.

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    I will want to see this team play but I donít think this will happen:

    1) Shan Masood
    2) Fakhar Zaman
    3) Asad Shafiq
    4) Babar Azam
    5) Sarfaraz Ahmad
    6) Shadab Khan
    7) Faheem Ashraf
    8) Hassan Ali
    9) Mohd Amir
    10) Mohd Abbas
    11) Shaheen Afridi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    1. Shan Masood
    2. Imam
    3. Azhar
    4. Asad
    5. Babar
    6. Fakhar
    7. Sarfraz
    8. Hasan
    9. Amir
    10. Abbas
    11. Shaheen

    I'd have dropped Asad for Faheem but Asad kept his place off his recent performance. I don't think it hurts giving Fakhar a go at 6 since it's last test, he's likely gone next series anyway and I don't think it's right to bring in Rizwan for 1 match with no practice games, and is likely not going to be inducted in next tour as isn't first choice replacement in middle order. Let's experiment and give Fakhar a whole test, i.e. 2 innings at 6 and see if he can thrive as a middle order bat.

    Hasan in for Yasir simply as I think we take a risk go all out with a pace attack and hope we can bowl out SA cheaply in the 1st innings and get a big lead ourselves so 2nd innings doesn't come much into play.
    I'm done with Asad. Performs once a blue moon. Let's move on from Asad, Azhar and Sarfraz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Will be a moral win if we can last 5 days.
    We might as Day 1 and Day 2 are expected to receive rain for most part.

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    Mickey hinting Shadab may play.... LOL... Mickey Bro you have seriously lost your.......(you can fill however you like)

    So Shadab the spinner will get fifer and score a 100. So called Proper Batsmen can't play and the T20 player will win you test... Mickey Salute to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Mickey hinting Shadab may play.... LOL... Mickey Bro you have seriously lost your.......(you can fill however you like)

    So Shadab the spinner will get fifer and score a 100. So called Proper Batsmen can't play and the T20 player will win you test... Mickey Salute to you
    Well said... banking hopes on Shadab is like raising the white flag. Heck he barely makes the ODI side on merit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Well said... banking hopes on Shadab is like raising the white flag. Heck he barely makes the ODI side on merit.
    The leading ODI wicket taker for Pakistan in 2018 barely makes the ODI team on merit. Wow!!!

    He scored three fifties on the Test tour of Ireland and England where most so called genuine batsmen failed, also Yasir's pathetic bowling overseas is of no value. Shadab would have been a far better choice and actually played a crucial part in Winning against Ireland and England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    We might as Day 1 and Day 2 are expected to receive rain for most part.
    YAY! If we can somehow last the remaining 3 days out for a draw, we will only lose 2-0. This will surely be a monumental occasion to only lose 2-0

    I personally believe we need to make 4 changes. Drop Fakhar Zaman, he looks like a tail ender in this series and also drop Yasir Shah. Rest Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Afridi, we need to be very serious with rotating our bowlers, especially with the amount of cricket coming up for our team over the next 6 months or so.

    I would bring in Mohammad Rizwan for Zaman, Shadab Khan for Yasir Shah and Hasan Ali + Faheem Ashraf for Amir + Shaheen. Open with Masood.

    1) Imam-ul-Haq - last chance, needs to do good here or risks being dropped
    2) Shan Masood
    3) Azhar Ali - not had a good series, hopefully he doesn't get out to Olivier again.
    4) Asad Shafiq - not expecting much as he's had his quota of good innings here but can't be dropped.
    5) Babar Azam
    6) Mohammad Rizwan - Let's see how he does
    7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (C) (WK) - potentially his last game as captain, has had 1 good innings this series
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) Faheem Ashraf
    10) Hasan Ali
    11) Mohammad Abbas

    This team is good as you are boosting the batting a lot. This team is a lot more capable of scoring 300 and still capable of taking 20 wickets. You've got a very long tail, Faheem and Shadab are really good for the balance of the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    YAY! If we can somehow last the remaining 3 days out for a draw, we will only lose 2-0. This will surely be a monumental occasion to only lose 2-0

    I personally believe we need to make 4 changes. Drop Fakhar Zaman, he looks like a tail ender in this series and also drop Yasir Shah. Rest Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Afridi, we need to be very serious with rotating our bowlers, especially with the amount of cricket coming up for our team over the next 6 months or so.

    I would bring in Mohammad Rizwan for Zaman, Shadab Khan for Yasir Shah and Hasan Ali + Faheem Ashraf for Amir + Shaheen. Open with Masood.

    1) Imam-ul-Haq - last chance, needs to do good here or risks being dropped
    2) Shan Masood
    3) Azhar Ali - not had a good series, hopefully he doesn't get out to Olivier again.
    4) Asad Shafiq - not expecting much as he's had his quota of good innings here but can't be dropped.
    5) Babar Azam
    6) Mohammad Rizwan - Let's see how he does
    7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (C) (WK) - potentially his last game as captain, has had 1 good innings this series
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) Faheem Ashraf
    10) Hasan Ali
    11) Mohammad Abbas

    This team is good as you are boosting the batting a lot. This team is a lot more capable of scoring 300 and still capable of taking 20 wickets. You've got a very long tail, Faheem and Shadab are really good for the balance of the team.
    2 all rounders out of 4 bowlers is risky business and I am not sure they can take 20 wickets when you are taking out the 2 best bowlers for Pakistan in this series. One of Amir and Shaheen has to play instead of Faheem at least but preferably in place of a batsman, so we can have a realistic chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    2 all rounders out of 4 bowlers is risky business and I am not sure they can take 20 wickets when you are taking out the 2 best bowlers for Pakistan in this series. One of Amir and Shaheen has to play instead of Faheem at least but preferably in place of a batsman, so we can have a realistic chance.
    Hmm, Faheem Ashraf is capable of taking a few wickets, he has got out some good players, he's not just there to tie up an end but yes he's not a specialist bowler. I'd take the risk, we don't have much to lose tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    1. Imam ul-Haq
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Asad Shafiq
    5. Babar Azam
    6. Sarfraz Ahmed*+
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Faheem Ashraf
    9. Mohammad Amir
    10. Hasan Ali
    11. Mohammad Abbas
    This should have been the eleven from the start, with Azhar opening to slot Harris


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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Mickey hinting Shadab may play.... LOL... Mickey Bro you have seriously lost your.......(you can fill however you like)

    So Shadab the spinner will get fifer and score a 100. So called Proper Batsmen can't play and the T20 player will win you test... Mickey Salute to you
    Bhaijan it's about combination. Go and look at shadab last 3 test matches. He scored a 50 in each. I give him as much chance as anybody else of avging 30- 35. And allows us to play 5 bowlers, so faheem can play number 8 and not yasir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Mohammad Rizwan and Faheem Ashraf need to be given a chance.

    If they do play and Pak win because of them - wonder what the reaction will be then?
    Rizwan ? Highly unlikely when there is an ODI squad to be announced.
    What they do wrt ODI squad if they play Rizwan here and he end up scoring good runs.

    It has gone out of script already because now they can't overlook Shan for ODIs. If Rizwan plays and performs well, that's a headache for selectors wrt ODI squad.

    Only way I see Rizwan playing in 3rd Test is if selectors announce ODI squad (Riz not picked) by 10 Jan. If that actually happens, I'm finally done with CS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Bhaijan it's about combination. Go and look at shadab last 3 test matches. He scored a 50 in each. I give him as much chance as anybody else of avging 30- 35. And allows us to play 5 bowlers, so faheem can play number 8 and not yasir.
    Ok lets see what he does, hope he does play 3rd test and will see what he does..

    This is SA not UAE or Bangladesh where you play a spinner. You need to have a solid spinner to bank on him sorry but Yasir is only good at home and Shadab is not a big spinner of the ball neither his line is for test matches just because he scored some runs in a couple test matches we can make him a test player... Will see what he does...

    Same way we wanted fakhar to be the test player now the people who asked for fakhar are not found anywhere.

    This is test cricket bits and pieces player will never win you test series ....forget Outside home you 'll struggle at home with these T20/bits pieces player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    YAY! If we can somehow last the remaining 3 days out for a draw, we will only lose 2-0. This will surely be a monumental occasion to only lose 2-0

    I personally believe we need to make 4 changes. Drop Fakhar Zaman, he looks like a tail ender in this series and also drop Yasir Shah. Rest Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Afridi, we need to be very serious with rotating our bowlers, especially with the amount of cricket coming up for our team over the next 6 months or so.

    I would bring in Mohammad Rizwan for Zaman, Shadab Khan for Yasir Shah and Hasan Ali + Faheem Ashraf for Amir + Shaheen. Open with Masood.

    1) Imam-ul-Haq - last chance, needs to do good here or risks being dropped
    2) Shan Masood
    3) Azhar Ali - not had a good series, hopefully he doesn't get out to Olivier again.
    4) Asad Shafiq - not expecting much as he's had his quota of good innings here but can't be dropped.
    5) Babar Azam
    6) Mohammad Rizwan - Let's see how he does
    7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (C) (WK) - potentially his last game as captain, has had 1 good innings this series
    8) Shadab Khan
    9) Faheem Ashraf
    10) Hasan Ali
    11) Mohammad Abbas

    This team is good as you are boosting the batting a lot. This team is a lot more capable of scoring 300 and still capable of taking 20 wickets. You've got a very long tail, Faheem and Shadab are really good for the balance of the team.
    Why can't he be dropped? This is the type of metality that holds us back. The cull should start immediately.

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    This is Johannesburg. The fastest, bounciest wicket of all.

    If Sarfraz has to play - and I think on merit he should be dropped - this would be my team.

    1. Azhar Ali - playing his Final Test.
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Asad Shafiq
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Mohammad Rizwan
    6. Shadab Khan (because there is no other serviceable batsman on a bouncy track)
    7. Sarfraz Ahmed
    8. Faheem Ashraf
    9. Mohammad Amir
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Mohammad Abbas

    Please remember, a 2-1 loss is much less humiliating than a 3-0 loss.

    And Mohammad Amir has 8 wickets in 3 innings at an average of 22, while Shaheen Shah Afridi has 9 wickets in 3 innings at 27. They should be the first two bowlers on the team-sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Why can't he be dropped? This is the type of metality that holds us back. The cull should start immediately.
    You can't drop someone after they score 88. Anyway, there are no other replacements for him in the squad, and he is the third highest run scorer for Pakistan in the series.

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    1. Azhar Ali
    2. Shan Masood
    3. Imam-ul-haq / Asad Shafiq
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Mohammad Rizwan
    6. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c) (wk)
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Faheem Ashraf
    9. Hasan Ali
    10. Mohammad Amir
    11. Mohammad Abbas

    With no batting alternatives for Imam or Asad this is the team I would pick. Not great but I think Azhar has to play as an opener since that's where he seems to preform the best. Shaheen needs his workload managed so he needs to be rested for this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
    Rizwan ? Highly unlikely when there is an ODI squad to be announced.
    What they do wrt ODI squad if they play Rizwan here and he end up scoring good runs.

    It has gone out of script already because now they can't overlook Shan for ODIs. If Rizwan plays and performs well, that's a headache for selectors wrt ODI squad.

    Only way I see Rizwan playing in 3rd Test is if selectors announce ODI squad (Riz not picked) by 10 Jan. If that actually happens, I'm finally done with CS.
    What type of logic is that???? I doubt they'll even be thinking about the ODI squad when picking the XI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Why can't he be dropped? This is the type of metality that holds us back. The cull should start immediately.
    Because since Misbah and Younis retired........

    Azhar Ali, who is about to have his 34th birthday, averages 29.82.
    Asad Shafiq, who is 33, averages 37.59.

    The problem with Misbah and Younis playing on was that there was no succession planning and they exited together and left a big hole.

    One of Azhar and Shafiq has to be excluded a year before the other.

    And clearly you drop the 34 year old averaging 29, not the 33 year old averaging 37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    What type of logic is that???? I doubt they'll even be thinking about the ODI squad when picking the XI
    Will come back to it later. You can bookmark it.
    It's easy to decipher this logic though.

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    Faheem
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    So we have one more test match. Sarfaraz can be rested, bring in Rizwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Ok lets see what he does, hope he does play 3rd test and will see what he does..

    This is SA not UAE or Bangladesh where you play a spinner. You need to have a solid spinner to bank on him sorry but Yasir is only good at home and Shadab is not a big spinner of the ball neither his line is for test matches just because he scored some runs in a couple test matches we can make him a test player... Will see what he does...

    Same way we wanted fakhar to be the test player now the people who asked for fakhar are not found anywhere.

    This is test cricket bits and pieces player will never win you test series ....forget Outside home you 'll struggle at home with these T20/bits pieces player.
    Bhaijan been don't need shadab to bowl 35 overs an innings.
    Just 5-10 in innings one and 25 in last innings pitch dependent. He will bat at 6.
    Bulk of bowling will be done by 3 quicks and faheem
    Look at this scorecard . Faheem and shadab were critical to this and this should have been the template outside Asia. As we are more reliant on our bowling as a team, we just need more options in the batting to be able to get us to a par score

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...-eng-scot-2018

    The other thing about shadab is, he is better at bowling to the tail as well than yasir


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Bhaijan been don't need shadab to bowl 35 overs an innings.
    Just 5-10 in innings one and 25 in last innings pitch dependent. He will bat at 6.
    Bulk of bowling will be done by 3 quicks and faheem
    Look at this scorecard . Faheem and shadab were critical to this and this should have been the template outside Asia. As we are more reliant on our bowling as a team, we just need more options in the batting to be able to get us to a par score

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...-eng-scot-2018

    The other thing about shadab is, he is better at bowling to the tail as well than yasir
    Well spotted. The key to our success in England were the 5 bowlers. Still dont have confidence in Shadab at 6. May be we install Rizwan at 6 and Shadab at 7. We will never be a batting team so might as well play enough bowlers.
    Last edited by gazza619; 8th January 2019 at 05:05.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Well spotted. The key to our success in England were the 5 bowlers. Still dont have confidence in Shadab at 6. May be we install Rizwan at 6 and Shadab at 7. We will never be a batting team so might as well play enough bowlers.
    Not just the bowling , the runs from shadab and faheem were vital too.
    Shadab scored a 50 in the next game 2 and a crucial one Vs Ireland as well.
    The planning for this tour should have been based on the above. We needed to invest in shadab and faheem. They need to play the last game


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