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    Amir by a long shot ...lol next Wasim


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    Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

    Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

    I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

    Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

    I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.
    People who criticize Sehwag but praises Anderson is a hypocrite.

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    Shahid Afridi tops the list by a mile & if u add self indulgence then our very own professor sahib is right up there too along with Ahmed the Don Shehzad & that waste of space called Choata Akmal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Sachin! Yes he was a good batsman but way too overrated to my liking.
    Good pick, keeping in mind you consider Zaheer Abbas the 2nd greatest ODI batsman ever and in the same league as Allan Border and Greg Chappell as a Test batsman.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Good pick, keeping in mind you consider Zaheer Abbas the 2nd greatest ODI batsman ever and in the same league as Allan Border and Greg Chappell as a Test batsman.
    Zaheer was very far ahead in his era, had the best numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Zaheer was very far ahead in his era, had the best numbers.
    Yea, and he certainly is the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time and in the same league as Border and Chappell as a Test batsman


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Yea, and he certainly is the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time and in the same league as Border and Chappell as a Test batsman
    India quartet of spinners will testify it. Ask them how they retired after Zaheer murdered them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    India quartet of spinners will testify it. Ask them how they retired after Zaheer murdered them
    Much like Sehwag ended the career of Saqlain at the mere age of 29.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    India quartet of spinners will testify it. Ask them how they retired after Zaheer murdered them
    BTW, his own captain Imran Khan writes in his autobiography that Zaheer was a selfish player and was a complete choker when the heat was on, someone who scored soft runs all his career.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Much like Sehwag ended the career of Saqlain at the mere age of 29.
    Saqlain was mentally done by then as stated many times. Zaheer though ended careers of probably the greatest bowlers India produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shandarchowka View Post
    Saqlain was mentally done by then as stated many times. Zaheer though ended careers of probably the greatest bowlers India produced.
    Stated many times after his career was over? And mentally done at the age of 29? Sehwag whopped him so bad that too in his own country that he forgot to bowl after that.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Stated many times after his career was over? And mentally done at the age of 29?
    Yes, he was. Saqlain of 1999-00 was much different to Saqlain after 2003.

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    Another one is Chris Lynn

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

    Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

    I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.
    ‘Complete non-factor” is not accurate. Anderson was a big factor in the series England won in Australia. I will admit that his record in NZ and SA surprises, even since he learned to reverse it in 2010. On the Subcontinent you don’t expect English FM swingers to take a lot of wickets - they become stock bowlers supporting the spinners - though there have been exceptions such as Botham in the Jubliee test. Indian balls bounced a bit more in his day and Wankede is near the sea so there would have been a bit of swing.

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    Amir....what a big let down this individual...he can only be compared to the likes of vankatesh Prasad who btw was a lot faster than the glorified medium pacer.

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    You can add Ravindra "Allrounder" Jadeja to the list as well in ODI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    You can add Ravindra "Allrounder" Jadeja to the list as well in ODI.
    Who rates him highly in ODIs?

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    Sabbatical Hasan

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    Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

    Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say ď come on come on VihariĒ behind stumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

    Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say “ come on come on Vihari” behind stumps.
    So far his performance has been good. Kinda reminds me of the old Ashraful don't you think? Ashraful will be this for BD, will be that for BD. In reality, he was a below avg player at best, regardless of how much talent he might have had. What is he upto now days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by light View Post
    So far his performance has been good. Kinda reminds me of the old Ashraful don't you think? Ashraful will be this for BD, will be that for BD. In reality, he was a below avg player at best, regardless of how much talent he might have had. What is he upto now days?
    I think it's demeaning for any player to be compared with a match fixer.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDfanforever View Post
    Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

    Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say ď come on come on VihariĒ behind stumps.
    Let's put it this way. Pant has more hundreds in tests in AUS than every cricketer that BD ever produced in the history of cricket COMBINED.

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    Abdul Qadir. Averaged 26 at home but 47 away !

    Shoaib Malik. For some reason regarded as indispensible yet averages 30@80 against top sides (IND, NZ, ENG, SAF, AUS) since his comeback in 2015.

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    I know Imad Wasim was labelled the next yuvraj singh

    you dont believe me? See below:

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...aj-Singh/page2

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    KL Rahul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Abdul Qadir. Averaged 26 at home but 47 away !

    Shoaib Malik. For some reason regarded as indispensible yet averages 30@80 against top sides (IND, NZ, ENG, SAF, AUS) since his comeback in 2015.
    That's why Warne is considered the best ever spinner in history. Very tough for leg spinners to perform in SENA

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    Most of the overrated players are from India and it's quite logical.
    India runs most of the cricket nowadays, they have the media : tv channels, websites (cricinfo & others). So their cricketers are the most talked about.

    Second logical reason : Who overrates more a player? The fans! Indian players have the bigger fanbase due to the large population.

    Even for non indians it's very hard to not buy the overrating as indian media and fans are very vocal and passionate about their players. Even on PakPassion, where we should normally have lot of good cricket followers and so more or so neutral points of view you can easily see the overrating indians players have.
    Lot of complexed fans who just want to be in the flow of things easily buy this overrating of Indian players/team.

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    England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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    Anderson's average in,

    Aus - 35
    SA - 39
    SL - 46
    Ind - 33
    NZ - 32

    Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
    Last edited by Buffet; 14th January 2019 at 03:11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    I think it's demeaning for any player to be compared with a match fixer.
    Way to take the point I was trying to make out of context mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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    Anderson's average in,

    Aus - 35
    SA - 39
    SL - 46
    Ind - 33
    NZ - 32

    Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
    Anybody who says Anderson is an ATG is out of their mind. Classic grade a home bully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    ‘Complete non-factor” is not accurate. Anderson was a big factor in the series England won in Australia. I will admit that his record in NZ and SA surprises, even since he learned to reverse it in 2010. On the Subcontinent you don’t expect English FM swingers to take a lot of wickets - they become stock bowlers supporting the spinners - though there have been exceptions such as Botham in the Jubliee test. Indian balls bounced a bit more in his day and Wankede is near the sea so there would have been a bit of swing.
    Yes, and Sehwag had his moments in all those countries. Scored centuries to ensure test series drawn against England in 2002 and against the all conquering Australian side in 2003. Of course, unlike you, I am not going to make the laughable argument that India openers/batsmen are not expected to do well in England. Otherwise why be available for selection?

    So regardless of his rare and isolated moments in Australia, Anderson truly was a zero impact player in 5 of the most consequential cricketing nations. Woeful.

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    Currently on PP Shan Masood. A guy who some people have even recommended for captaincy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

    Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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    Anderson's average in,

    Aus - 35
    SA - 39
    SL - 46
    Ind - 33
    NZ - 32

    Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
    @Mamoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    According to Mamoon, Steyn is overrated and just a great bowler because his record in two out of three top batting teams of his era is not good:-

    England:- 31( on same pitches, Jimmy averages 41 when Steyn played)
    Australia:- 28
    india:- 21

    Then, what about Anderson??

    Aus:- 35
    SA:- 39
    Ind:- 33
    NZ:- 32
    SL:- 46

    If you give Steyn a 8 on 10, then Anderson should be given a 6.
    Last edited by Ab Fan; 14th January 2019 at 14:11.

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    Azhar Ali ..... like making him ODI captain in 2015.

    also in Test his performance not good.

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    ABD. He is counted as amongst don viv sachin kohli by lots of indian fans.

    I agree he was great and a freak but that much ....

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    Aaron Finch and U khawaja.Lol at Khawaja will outscore Kohli in Test series


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