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    Was it a wise move to replace Yasir Shah with Shadab Khan for the 3rd Test vs South Africa?

    If the reason was batting then Shadab really need to score 40+ but surely bowling can not be better than Yasir Shah?

    Are we selecting the best XI or is this a knee jerk reaction to Yasir Shah's batting failures? Confused a bit


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    Doomed if they do, Doomed if they dont. People of the bench always seem better.

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    There's nothing that they can do to this XI that will improve the output on the field. The quality simply isn't there.

    Its a brutal fact that they must accept if they are to move forward from here.


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    Yasir didn't any anthing great in the first two test matches so its a wise move. Yasir is useless outside Asia(averages 58 in 10 matches in SENA). He should stick to playing in UAE, Srilanka and Bangladesh

    At least Shadab can bat

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    There's nothing that they can do to this XI that will improve the output on the field. The quality simply isn't there.

    Its a brutal fact that they must accept if they are to move forward from here.
    This


    People are analyzing too much and thinking XYZ replacement would make a difference. Pakistani fans need to accept the truth.

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    Yes.

    A spinner at altitude in South Africa is a specialist batsman anyway, unless you bowl fourth.

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    It's about the combination. We need 4 quicks/5 bowlers without deterioration in the batting. This is the only way to do it.


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    If a spinner had to be played then we are better off with Shadab. Yasir has proven to be utterly useless on bouncy tracks so might as well play someone who can bat.

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    Yasir has been useless this series. I am sure it won't be hard for shadab to take a wicket and score few runs.

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    Shadab is a better batting option simple as that.

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    Wonít make any difference. We are hopelessly mediocre.

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    They should have played both in all honesty.

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    It was the right decision. Rameez Raja on commentary keeps banging on about why Yasir should have played but he's clueless. Yasir Shah has been useless this series, Shadab Khan might prove to be useless too with the ball, but at least he can bat. Either way, as @Mamoon said, it won't make a difference as we are a mediocre side

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    Even if gets some wickets magically in this test he is still a mediocre test bowler i don't know why he is selected in tests in first place pakistan had so many legspinners coming from U-19 like Shahzaib ahmed khan and karamat ali who actually turn the ball along way.

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    How can one still have this question? It is one of the wise moves this team management has made. We will see it's effect once Shady scores those important runs when we bat. Also, he has a mean googly and can dismantle Saffers in the 3rd innings. Ideally we should be playing Yasir just in Asia and Shady everywhere in the world, along with Asia.

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    Already taken as many wickets as Yasir has this series (even that wicket was a free one). Yasir has only himself to blame. Has totally neglected his batting.

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    Just as we speak.. Shady does it in 3rd over what Yasir could not in 2 full matches... get a top order South African wicket. Hope this answers your question Mr @MenInG

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    Has created more problems in 7 overs than Yasir did in 2 whole matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Even if gets some wickets magically in this test he is still a mediocre test bowler i don't know why he is selected in tests in first place pakistan had so many legspinners coming from U-19 like Shahzaib ahmed khan and karamat ali who actually turn the ball along way.
    Cant remember the last time they played a domestic match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Cant remember the last time they played a domestic match.
    shahzaib ahmed played lot of Pakistan A games before hurting his back he was knocking over teams for fun still remember mohammad rizwan laughing behind wicket and telling shahzaib "ek andar ek bahir" means one in and one out he would turn both googly and legspin yards and not fake googly bowled by shadab

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    Leave Hasan Ali for tests in Asia. He was never going to be a success on grassless Australian and SA wickets.

    Should remain with the test squad outside the SC but only as a back up since our bowling options look so bleak.

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    We’ll still get bowled out for 200 so it doesn’t matter who you pick to bowl at this point.

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    Because Yasir was struggling on these wickets and Inzamam has not left many options for Mickey by not selecting a proper middle order bat.


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    I don't think the management is competent enough to understand or even think about pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    I don't think the management is competent enough to understand or even think about pitches.
    Update: Leg-spinner Yasir Shah has been sent to a Johannesburg hospital for a knee scan. Further updates would be provided in due course.


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    Obviously its a wise move, when your real issue is your batting. The selector does'nt pick reserves and the senior failures or the top 5 minus Shan have opportunity to play whole series however they perform.

    Yasir Shah was'nt doing much anyways.
    Pakistan is playing same combination that was in Lords Test where they won last year.

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    Shadab bowled ok created many false shots and like Yasir was not bowled much. He probably will end up scoring same total runs than Fakhar or Rizwan would have scored, with added bonus of having a 5th bowler for variety and resting fast men.

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    Yes it was. When your spinner has been the worst spinner in SENA countries in this decade and adds nothing with the bat, the decision to play Shadab is justified.


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    It's a good decision. Shadab is actually playing as a batsman who can bowl. He will probably score more than some of the batsmen. Yaseer needs to look at his fitness. A good break will ensure he has adequate time to get better. Of he cannot then look for newer alternative

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    India pretty much went through scenario. They had no choice but to sit KL Rahul and M Vijay out. Even the commies thought it was a knee jerk reaction. Somehow ti worked out for them.

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    I think playing Shadab is good, will give Yasir Shah a much needed break, can't have him bowling 30-40-50 overs every innings, plus keeps him on his toes as well that he can be benched any time and also gives Shadab some incentive to work on his game if he wants to be a regular

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    Shadab has plenty of taken with both bat and ball and must be in the side outside of Asia.

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    There is no situation that can please it seems.

    Taking Yasir Shah to your SA based on his performances in the UAE was a mistake waiting to implode.

    Shadab on the other hand in his limited Test career has scored two fifties in England and performed decently with the ball.

    He got Amla out today which set SA back probably 50-75 runs considering he was well on his way to a half-century.

    If Shadab can score 20-30 runs and contribute with no wickets in the second innings, he will have justified his selection.

    Yasir has been appalling with the bat and lackluster with the ball for two years now.

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    Can't believe this is even a question. Yasir should just take up residency in the UAE, he is hopeless anywhere else and despite the confidence placed in him by management (and fans for some reason), he nearly always disappoints abroad.

    I still remember the mauling he received in Australia and fans blaming it on the field placings he was given (as if bowling long hops, full tosses every over was a result of field placings). On top of that he seems a lazy cricketer that just takes his place for granted, demonstrated best by his 'batting' and ever expanding waistline.

    He has not only had no impact in the two games he's played, I'd argue he's had a detrimental one at that not picking up wickets, giving away lots of runs, giving the other bowlers more of a work load in the process, and being a walking wicket every time he came out to bat.

    Quite honestly any batsman who can roll his arm over, let alone Shadab, would be an improvement over him at this point.

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    Yes, don't play Yasir overseas again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Update: Leg-spinner Yasir Shah has been sent to a Johannesburg hospital for a knee scan. Further updates would be provided in due course.
    What is going on? Why is everyone suddenly getting injured?

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    Shadab can contribute with the bat as he showed in England. In these conditions, Yasir is useless. So the decision makes sense really even if Yasir was fit.

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    Yasir Shah:
    1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 123.00
    Strike rate 196.00
    Economy 3.76

    Shadab Khan
    4 wickets in 1 Test at an average of 20.00
    Strike rate 32.2
    Economy 3.72

    Shadab Khan is literally six times as good as Yasir Shah outside Asia.

    And for the record:
    Yasir Shah in England: 19 wickets @40.73
    (Shadab Khan in England and Ireland: 7 wickets @34.43)

    Yasir Shah in Australia: 8 wickets @84.00

    Yasir Shah in New Zealand: 0 wickets for 61.

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    Yes, he's done a lot more in just one match than Yasir did in two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Yes, he's done a lot more in just one match than Yasir did in two.
    Agreed. Was the right decision.



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    Shouldíve left him home in first place & Shadab for that matter.

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    It's not a straight decision between Yasir and shadab. Why can't people see that. It's about what playing shadab allows u to do and that is play faheem and still have 3 quicks.
    The plus side is that shadab at 6 (or 7) is just as likely as a batter to get a score. I said that before this game and he pretty much proved it


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    No. I think Yasir would have troubled the batsmen more on that wicket. He can take wickets in quick succession when the conditions suit his bowling. Some of you guys seem to have forgotten the 8-41 very quickly. The first two tests were played on tracks that didnít aid spin bowling. IIRC, seeing the pitch for the third test KP called the decision to drop Yasir a Ďblunderí.

    And Shadab didnít contribute with the bat in the first innings, when his team absolutely needed him to score some runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    No. I think Yasir would have troubled the batsmen more on that wicket. He can take wickets in quick succession when the conditions suit his bowling. Some of you guys seem to have forgotten the 8-41 very quickly. The first two tests were played on tracks that didnít aid spin bowling. IIRC, seeing the pitch for the third test KP called the decision to drop Yasir a Ďblunderí.

    And Shadab didnít contribute with the bat in the first innings, when his team absolutely needed him to score some runs.
    Sarfraz seriously underbowled Shadab, especially considering it was a supportive pitch. It's less a case of Shadab failing to capitalise on the conditions and more a case of Sarfraz's foolish captaincy giving South Africa greater freedom to amass a big second innings total with ease.

    South Africa had slipped to 93/5 when Shadab dismissed Bavuma in only his third over with an impressive leg spinner. However, after his first spell, Sarfraz refused to bring him back on until the game was well and truly out of reach. Shadab wasn't bowled at all for 36 overs after his initial 6-over spell, and when he was brought on for his second spell, South Africa were 264/7! Of course, he continued to make good use of the turning pitch, but it was too little too late, and Sarfraz potentially missed a trick, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Sarfraz seriously underbowled Shadab, especially considering it was a supportive pitch. It's less a case of Shadab failing to capitalise on the conditions and more a case of Sarfraz's foolish captaincy giving South Africa greater freedom to amass a big second innings total with ease.

    South Africa had slipped to 93/5 when Shadab dismissed Bavuma in only his third over with an impressive leg spinner. However, after his first spell, Sarfraz refused to bring him back on until the game was well and truly out of reach. Shadab wasn't bowled at all for 36 overs after his initial 6-over spell, and when he was brought on for his second spell, South Africa were 264/7! Of course, he continued to make good use of the turning pitch, but it was too little too late, and Sarfraz potentially missed a trick, in my opinion.
    Very well spotted. I also found it weird to not see him bowl after he had picked up a wicket and pitch was assisting him as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Sarfraz seriously underbowled Shadab, especially considering it was a supportive pitch. It's less a case of Shadab failing to capitalise on the conditions and more a case of Sarfraz's foolish captaincy giving South Africa greater freedom to amass a big second innings total with ease.

    South Africa had slipped to 93/5 when Shadab dismissed Bavuma in only his third over with an impressive leg spinner. However, after his first spell, Sarfraz refused to bring him back on until the game was well and truly out of reach. Shadab wasn't bowled at all for 36 overs after his initial 6-over spell, and when he was brought on for his second spell, South Africa were 264/7! Of course, he continued to make good use of the turning pitch, but it was too little too late, and Sarfraz potentially missed a trick, in my opinion.
    Exactly. Shadab done as good as possible, who knows what would have happened if he bowled more


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