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    Pakistan tour of South Africa - Marks out of 10 for the Pakistani players

    Fakhar Zaman 1/10 Failed Badly
    Imam Ul Haq 5/10 Got some starts but not enough runs
    Shan Masood 8/10 Highest Scorer for Pakistan, Solid scores.
    Azhar Ali 1/10 Should Retire
    Babar Azam 8/10 Classy and Dominant
    Asad Shafiq 5/10 Selfish runs as always
    Sarfraz Ahmed 3/10 Poor batting and Captaincy
    Shadab Khan 7/10 Good All round performance
    Faheem Ashraf 7/10 Good bowling, needs to work on batting
    Mohammad Amir 8/10 Highest Wicket Taker for Pak and 3rd Overall, Best Economy rate.
    Mohammad Abbas 4/10 Looked badly out of rhythm
    Hasan Ali 5/10 Leaked runs and was good for occasional spell,batted well
    Shaheen Afridi 7/10 Exciting Talent, needs to work on pace and accuracy
    Yasir Shah 1/10 Horrible outside Asia

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    Shan and Babar don't deserve 8, they averaged mid 30s, with no centuries (and not even close, 60 odd and 70 odd highest score respectively). So yeah I think a 6 suffices. Don't think two half centuries (as even Asad did) warrants an 8.

    Imam probably gets a 4, he was worse than Asad honestly even though he had the harder job.

    Amir was our best player by a country mile, and I think the only one deserving of 8.

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    Fakhar - 0/10 poor batting + catch drop
    Imam - 3/10 got lucky to even get past 30
    Shan - 6/10 good comeback
    Azhar - 0/10 no comment
    Babar - 8/10 showed seniors how2play
    Shafiq - 0/10 no impact throughout tour
    Sarfraz - 2/10 poor batting + captaincy
    Shadab - 5/10 should’ve played all 3
    Faheem - 4/10 embarrassing w/bat
    Amir - 5/10 failed to pick up early wickets
    Abbas - 2/10 not fully fit
    Hasan - 3/10 batting > bowling
    Shaheen - 6/10 bowled too full at times
    Yasir - 0/10 poor bowling, gives up with bat.

    Inzi - 0/10 poor selections, azhar, shafiq, imam and sarfraz should’ve stayed home.

    Mickey - 0/10 keeps praising Shafiq for scoring in a lost cause - that alone gives him a big fat 0

    Flower - 0/10 how we gon have a Zimbabwean as a batting coach? Get Jayewardene in or MoYo.

    Mahmood - 0/10 ideal bowling coach for limited overs, bring Asif in as Test bowling coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    Fakhar Zaman 1/10 Failed Badly
    Imam Ul Haq 5/10 Got some starts but not enough runs
    Shan Masood 8/10 Highest Scorer for Pakistan, Solid scores.
    Azhar Ali 1/10 Should Retire
    Babar Azam 8/10 Classy and Dominant
    Asad Shafiq 5/10 Selfish runs as always
    Sarfraz Ahmed 3/10 Poor batting and Captaincy
    Shadab Khan 7/10 Good All round performance
    Faheem Ashraf 7/10 Good bowling, needs to work on batting
    Mohammad Amir 8/10 Highest Wicket Taker for Pak and 3rd Overall, Best Economy rate.
    Mohammad Abbas 4/10 Looked badly out of rhythm
    Hasan Ali 5/10 Leaked runs and was good for occasional spell,batted well
    Shaheen Afridi 7/10 Exciting Talent, needs to work on pace and accuracy
    Yasir Shah 1/10 Horrible outside Asia
    looking at your marks it feels like Pakistan win the series

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    Fakhar ..0
    Imam...4.5
    Shan...5.5
    Azhar...0 (most pathetic performance)
    Shafiq...5.5
    Babar...6( a little bit selfish)
    Sirfraz ...4.5(As a player) 2 (as a captain)
    Shadab...6
    Amir...7 ( best player on show)
    Faheem...5
    Hasan ...3
    Abbas...3
    Shaheen....5

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    No player deserves 8, after a 3-0, with 6 days holiday out of 15. This is my rating

    Fakhar Zaman 1/10 - didn't deserve points, but he is making a come back from "injury"
    Imam Ul Haq 3/10 - whatever did had luck associated with it. A decent catching by SAF would have chopped his 50 & 43 in to single digit. And, for a young players, managed to convince Sarfraz that CS's nephew shouldn't field at risky spots.
    Shan Masood 7.5/10 - played brilliantly, better than stats; was unlucky to be out in 1st Test, when looking set for a good innings. For the tallest guy of a vertically challenged squad, Sarfraz decided to make him suffer at short leg, earns 0.5 extra for that.
    Azhar Ali (-1)/10 Should be dropped. Nothing in batting, rather stagnated the innings after good start both times and got out exactly wrong time every innings. Managed to bully Sarfraz to post him at 1st slip, at a comfortable distance, and might have cost PAK's slimmest chance of winning one Test. Have to take some point out - zero is too generous after 10 years of cricket.
    Babar Azam 7/10 - on batting skills, highest order, Kohli/AB isque from last year. Played some of the best shots of the year, and was screwed by management to be wasted at 6 with tail starting just after him. But, didn't convert starts and cost PAK 2 possible wins - 1st Test and 3rd Test; particularly 3rd Test, when in 1st innings he should have stayed with Shadab & Fahim to take the total as close as possible.
    Asad Shafiq 5.5/10 - failed measurably in 1st Test, but played two of the best innings in the series; could have made it really tough for SAF in 2nd Test. Extra half points for catching - best slip fielder in world. On batting & fielding merit should get 6.5, but loses half for celebrating 88 when team was losing and another half for serial failure in 1st innings, when it matters.
    Sarfraz Ahmed 2.5/10 - Kept decent - nothing spectacular but didn't mess up regulations, should have stood up against Abbas after his 1st spells, so 3 points out of 4 for that; 2 fifties & 3 ducks - it normalizes, but I give extra half for the 1st 50 coming at 54/5, take that half for the pair in 1st Test - just another 35 in combined innings, it could have been grand. Loses extra half for running mouth after 2nd Test. Expected Captaincy - so no loss, no gain.

    Shadab Khan 6/10 - played only Test, and got the best wicket for his game; batted well, bowled reasonable. 6 is actually very good for this series, would have got 7 had he played one more Test.
    Faheem Ashraf 5/10 - Good bowling, expected batting. Looses one point for that 1st innings shot.
    Mohammad Amir 7.5/10 - my player of the series for PAK. Gave everything, and bowled heart out; but needs to contribute with bat a bit more - another 20-25 from his bat in 1st Test could have made it interesting. Not fit enough to lead Test side, but he should be PAK Captain for WC - managed press conference professionally.
    Mohammad Abbas 5.5/10 - Clearly wasn't fit, so gets extra 0.5 points for the effort; was a bit unlucky as well with drop catches. Gets extra 1 point for that batting effort - put Azhar & Sarfraz in shame. PAK team needs such big heart players.
    Hasan Ali 4.5/10 - expected series with bat & ball. Shouldn't have played at J'burg. But when in rhythm, bowled well.
    Shaheen Afridi 7/10 - only ray of hope from this series. If he needed rest, then PAK should have dropped him at Cape Town which is the slowest & lowest of the 3 venues. His stats would have been better had he played at J'burg. Looses half point for losing pace after 1st spell, which suggests, young-man has taken Test cricket lightly. Had he played & performed in 3rd Test, would have been my MoS for PAK.
    Yasir Shah 0/10 - most insignificant player, as if he didn't existed. Screwed by his batsmen, who didn't give him something to defend and by Captain as well. Horrible batting attitude - needs a double demotion in Central contract. Someone playing 5-6 games in a year can't be so poor with bat & fitness.

    Mickey Arthur 4/10 - found nothing that could suggests that guy has 35 years of experience in SAF condition. Played Yasir at Centurion, then dropped Shaheen at Wonderars, batted Fakhar as opener(but he failed at 6 as well), batted Babar at 5/6 and Azhar at 4. Overall bowling picks were not satisfactory, particularly not using Fahim in 1st Test and playing for gallery was nauseating - there was no need to criticize SAF wickets. But, gets 4 because I do realize what this PAK side is capable of under a Deshi great as Guru Dronacharya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Fakhar - 0/10 poor batting + catch drop
    Imam - 3/10 got lucky to even get past 30
    Shan - 6/10 good comeback
    Azhar - 0/10 no comment
    Babar - 8/10 showed seniors how2play
    Shafiq - 0/10 no impact throughout tour
    Sarfraz - 2/10 poor batting + captaincy
    Shadab - 5/10 should’ve played all 3
    Faheem - 4/10 embarrassing w/bat
    Amir - 5/10 failed to pick up early wickets
    Abbas - 2/10 not fully fit
    Hasan - 3/10 batting > bowling
    Shaheen - 6/10 bowled too full at times
    Yasir - 0/10 poor bowling, gives up with bat.

    Inzi - 0/10 poor selections, azhar, shafiq, imam and sarfraz should’ve stayed home.

    Mickey - 0/10 keeps praising Shafiq for scoring in a lost cause - that alone gives him a big fat 0

    Flower - 0/10 how we gon have a Zimbabwean as a batting coach? Get Jayewardene in or MoYo.

    Mahmood - 0/10 ideal bowling coach for limited overs, bring Asif in as Test bowling coach.
    That Zimbabwean averages 42 against Pakistan with 3 hundreds including a double century and was a better batsman than any in Pakistan right now. I would suggest you give some respect to him.

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    Shan- 7(great transformation but need to play long inning as well)
    Babar- 7( temperament issue is there with him)
    Shafiq- 3(sorry but doesnt deserve higher than this)
    Imam- 3(mediocre but not terrible)
    Sarfaraz- 2( terrible)
    Azhar- 1(terrible)
    Fakhar- 1(terrible)

    Amir- 7( the best bowler of series for Pak)
    Shaheen- 6( expected more of him but a good start)
    Abbas- 3( mediocre, perhaps injury didn't help)
    Hasan- 3( mediocre)
    Yasir- 1(terrible)

    This is assuming 1 as lowest point and 10 as highest. Fair enough ranking for the 0-3 humiliation.

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    Not sure why everyone giving Sarfraz ridiculous marks. Wicketkeeping was very good. 2 50s, and captaincy average, with this batting team no one could produce results. Sarfraz was 5 out of 10 for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    That Zimbabwean averages 42 against Pakistan with 3 hundreds including a double century and was a better batsman than any in Pakistan right now. I would suggest you give some respect to him.
    No he wasn't , he scored a few against pakistan but overall was a below average batsman. At best imran farhat level.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Shan and Babar don't deserve 8, they averaged mid 30s, with no centuries (and not even close, 60 odd and 70 odd highest score respectively). So yeah I think a 6 suffices. Don't think two half centuries (as even Asad did) warrants an 8.

    Imam probably gets a 4, he was worse than Asad honestly even though he had the harder job.

    Amir was our best player by a country mile, and I think the only one deserving of 8.
    Agree, except on Amir. I would give him a 7 at best. You gotta get atleast a 5'er to get an 8 or above for me

    12 wickets at avg of 24 is good, but not good enough for an 8

    Even Imam, with an average of 24 - I would give him a 3

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    Asad Shafiq 0/10 [was giving him 5, but his selfish game made me cut that also]
    Babar Azam 2/10
    Azhar 0/10
    Sarfraz 3/10
    Imam 0/10
    Amir 0/10 [his new ball spell was shameful and demoralizing for the team]
    Shan Masood 8/10

    The above players played all 3 matches and made this tour an eyesore for us, rest don't matter

    Hope a new PCB chairman or MD comes in and removes these above-mentioned mafia alongwith the chief selector for our cricket to progress.

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    Fakhar 0/10
    Imam 3/10
    Shan 7/10
    Azhar 1/10
    Babar 7/10
    Shafiq 5/10
    Sarfraz 4/10
    Shadab 7/10
    Faheem 6/10
    Amir 7/10
    Abbas 2/10
    Hasan 5/10
    Yasir 2/10

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    Fakhar 1/10 Not a Test player
    Imam 6/10 Did okay on his first tour
    Shan 7/10 Played well
    Azhar 0/10 Please retire
    Asad 6/10 Inconsistent, but good SR

    Babar 7/10 Got screwed down the order
    Sarfraz 4/10 Terrible captaincy, decent batting
    Shadab 7/10 Great game from him
    Faheem 6/10 Good bowling, poor batting
    Amir 7/10 Could be better with more pace

    Yasir 0/10 ...
    Hasan 5/10 Bang average
    Shaheen 6/10 His first series, nice potential
    Abbas 5/10 Was mediocre, but tried his best

    Mickey 3/10 Was expecting more tbh. Not impressed, but I'm patient
    Inzi 2/10 No middle order player, opener one too many
    Last edited by Rayyman; 15th January 2019 at 04:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    Fakhar - 0/10 poor batting + catch drop
    Imam - 3/10 got lucky to even get past 30
    Shan - 6/10 good comeback
    Azhar - 0/10 no comment
    Babar - 8/10 showed seniors how2play
    Shafiq - 0/10 no impact throughout tour
    Sarfraz - 2/10 poor batting + captaincy
    Shadab - 5/10 should’ve played all 3
    Faheem - 4/10 embarrassing w/bat
    Amir - 5/10 failed to pick up early wickets
    Abbas - 2/10 not fully fit
    Hasan - 3/10 batting > bowling
    Shaheen - 6/10 bowled too full at times
    Yasir - 0/10 poor bowling, gives up with bat.

    Inzi - 0/10 poor selections, azhar, shafiq, imam and sarfraz should’ve stayed home.

    Mickey - 0/10 keeps praising Shafiq for scoring in a lost cause - that alone gives him a big fat 0

    Flower - 0/10 how we gon have a Zimbabwean as a batting coach? Get Jayewardene in or MoYo.

    Mahmood - 0/10 ideal bowling coach for limited overs, bring Asif in as Test bowling coach.
    Inzi: -10/10, not just 0/10., yes minus 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    That Zimbabwean averages 42 against Pakistan with 3 hundreds including a double century and was a better batsman than any in Pakistan right now. I would suggest you give some respect to him.
    You're giving him too much respect 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    That Zimbabwean averages 42 against Pakistan with 3 hundreds including a double century and was a better batsman than any in Pakistan right now. I would suggest you give some respect to him.
    Also the 200* inflates his average.
    He was a mediocre player with an average under 30.
    Andy Flower would have been A LOT better. What a player Andy Flower was.

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    Fakhar Zaman - 1/10
    Shan Masood - 6/10
    Babar Azam - 6.5/10
    Azhar Ali - 1/10
    Asad Shafiq - 5.5/10
    Mohammad Amir - 6.5/10
    Mohammad Abbas - 4/10
    Yasir Shah - 1/10
    Shaheen Afridi - 6/10
    Hasan Ali - 3/10
    Shadab - 5/10
    Faheem - 4/10
    Imam - 4/10
    Sarfaraz - 4/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    Fakhar Zaman 1/10 Failed Badly
    Imam Ul Haq 5/10 Got some starts but not enough runs
    Shan Masood 8/10 Highest Scorer for Pakistan, Solid scores.
    Azhar Ali 1/10 Should Retire
    Babar Azam 8/10 Classy and Dominant
    Asad Shafiq 5/10 Selfish runs as always
    Sarfraz Ahmed 3/10 Poor batting and Captaincy
    Shadab Khan 7/10 Good All round performance
    Faheem Ashraf 7/10 Good bowling, needs to work on batting
    Mohammad Amir 8/10 Highest Wicket Taker for Pak and 3rd Overall, Best Economy rate.
    Mohammad Abbas 4/10 Looked badly out of rhythm
    Hasan Ali 5/10 Leaked runs and was good for occasional spell,batted well
    Shaheen Afridi 7/10 Exciting Talent, needs to work on pace and accuracy
    Yasir Shah 1/10 Horrible outside Asia
    need to add for shafiq's catches in slips. we might take it for granted now, but there was a time where would regularly by dropping catches in slips. same with sarfaraz and his wicketkeeping

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tahir View Post
    Also the 200* inflates his average.
    He was a mediocre player with an average under 30.
    Andy Flower would have been A LOT better. What a player Andy Flower was.
    You are confusing playing capability with coaching capability.

    As a rough analogy, a good student may not be a good teacher. They require different skill sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    That Zimbabwean averages 42 against Pakistan with 3 hundreds including a double century and was a better batsman than any in Pakistan right now. I would suggest you give some respect to him.
    Shahid Afridi VS India - averages 47 @ 97 with 3 hundreds, 3 fifties and high score of 156, all in 15 innings...should india hire him as a batting coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    You are confusing playing capability with coaching capability.

    As a rough analogy, a good student may not be a good teacher. They require different skill sets.
    What are his coaching capabilities?
    What has he achieved as a batting coach prior to joining Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Shan- 7(great transformation but need to play long inning as well)
    Babar- 7( temperament issue is there with him)
    Shafiq- 3(sorry but doesnt deserve higher than this)
    Imam- 3(mediocre but not terrible)
    Sarfaraz- 2( terrible)
    Azhar- 1(terrible)
    Fakhar- 1(terrible)

    Amir- 7( the best bowler of series for Pak)
    Shaheen- 6( expected more of him but a good start)
    Abbas- 3( mediocre, perhaps injury didn't help)
    Hasan- 3( mediocre)
    Yasir- 1(terrible)

    This is assuming 1 as lowest point and 10 as highest. Fair enough ranking for the 0-3 humiliation.
    How did you manage to give Azhar a 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    How did you manage to give Azhar a 1?
    lol i know the whole series he scored 0.7 runs... and he gets a 1... Azhar must b happy

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    Come on, you cannot give 7 and 8 to players without a single century or a 5 wicket haul. These marks are not in comparison with each out but overall performance. If Amir and Bahar get 8 then Oliver and SA bats should get 80


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain

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    Do I need to remind people what our test wicket keeping used to loo like under the heady days of the akmal brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Come on, you cannot give 7 and 8 to players without a single century or a 5 wicket haul. These marks are not in comparison with each out but overall performance. If Amir and Bahar get 8 then Oliver and SA bats should get 80
    there is a reason why our batting is horrible... Indians wont give a 5 to a guy who scores 2-3 hundreds a series... we happily dole out 5s 6s 7s and 8s after a 30 or 40 or a 50....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Come on, you cannot give 7 and 8 to players without a single century or a 5 wicket haul. These marks are not in comparison with each out but overall performance. If Amir and Bahar get 8 then Oliver and SA bats should get 80
    This. No Pakistani player should even get a 5. Shan and Babar would get a 4 among batsmen. Amir would get a 3.5. Thats about it.

    I am surprised that so many Pakistani fans are so delusional No wonder they are content with mediocrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    How did you manage to give Azhar a 1?
    He scored a 36 in one inning. So, gets a 1. Anyways, that's the lowest I went with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Come on, you cannot give 7 and 8 to players without a single century or a 5 wicket haul. These marks are not in comparison with each out but overall performance. If Amir and Bahar get 8 then Oliver and SA bats should get 80
    That's completely wrong way of thinking. It's like saying Ryan Giggs or Geroge Best were no body because Wales or Northern Ireland never made it to WC/Euro in their time.

    Players are rated on individual performance and Shan, Amir, Babar, Shaheen did exceptionally well against a much better unit. Their individual performance is an out come of the collective force as well, and they were fighting a lost battle.

    Regarding SAF, yes Oliviera will get 9.5 from me, and Rabada at lest 8.5. The difference is not made at individual level - if I consider 6 as acceptable mark, only 4 PAK players reached there and they had to pull lots of baggage - overall PAK's team average is less than 4.5, which in old system is 3rd class. For SAF, apart from De Bruyn & Mahraj (who played a single Test), none of the players will get below 6 - their worst 3 players were Phillander, Bvuma & Elgar; comfortably will walk into PAK XI and their team average point will be over 7.5 which again is like Star Mark in old British system. So, it's a comparison between 3rd class vs Star mark as a team; but individually 4 PAK players pulled a sorry bunch.

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    8/10 for Babar Azam with an average of 36 in the series? We are speaking of runs scored by him, not whether he looked good or not.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnt arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Fakhar 0
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    Shan 5
    Azhar 0
    Asad 2.5
    Babar 4
    Sarfaraz 2
    Amir 6.5
    Hasan 4
    Shaheen 5
    Abbas 2
    Yasir 0
    Shadab 3
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    Fakhar-0
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    Shan-7
    Azhar-1
    Asad-2
    Babar-6
    Sarfaraz-3
    Amir-5
    Hasan-4
    Shaheen-6
    Abbas-1
    Yasir-0
    Shadab-4
    Fahim-3

  34. #34
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    Fakhar-0
    Imam-4
    Shan-7
    Azhar-0
    Asad-0
    Babar-6
    Sarfaraz-3
    Amir-6
    Hasan-4
    Shaheen-5
    Abbas-4
    Yasir-0
    Shadab-6
    Fahim-6

  35. #35
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    Fakhar-0
    Imam-2
    Shan-2
    Azhar-0
    Asad-3
    Babar-4
    Sarfaraz-0
    Amir-3
    Hasan-3
    Shaheen-3
    Abbas-2
    Yasir-0
    Shadab-3
    Fahim-3

  36. #36
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    Babar showed he was world class, shan showed he may be good and shadab showed he is the best young talent in the game.

    Amir Nd Co bowled brilliantly and consistently picked wickets and made it tough.

    The problem is the remaining 4 or 5 batsmen were utterly useless.

  37. #37
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    Non sense on Babar. Yes, he played breathtaking strokes - and took the attack to the opposition. Demystified Steyn.

    But...he didn't score big, even when had the chance, didn't grind it out, didn't farm the strike enough, didn't win a match. He is no Asif Iqbal who'd score 133 for the last wicket.

    A very, very good player and future prospect. But no Miandad heart shown yet to deserve an 8.

  38. #38
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    No one deserves more than 5.


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