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14th January 2019, 21:43 #1
Pakistan tour of South Africa - Marks out of 10 for the Pakistani players
Fakhar Zaman 1/10 Failed Badly
Imam Ul Haq 5/10 Got some starts but not enough runs
Shan Masood 8/10 Highest Scorer for Pakistan, Solid scores.
Azhar Ali 1/10 Should Retire
Babar Azam 8/10 Classy and Dominant
Asad Shafiq 5/10 Selfish runs as always
Sarfraz Ahmed 3/10 Poor batting and Captaincy
Shadab Khan 7/10 Good All round performance
Faheem Ashraf 7/10 Good bowling, needs to work on batting
Mohammad Amir 8/10 Highest Wicket Taker for Pak and 3rd Overall, Best Economy rate.
Mohammad Abbas 4/10 Looked badly out of rhythm
Hasan Ali 5/10 Leaked runs and was good for occasional spell,batted well
Shaheen Afridi 7/10 Exciting Talent, needs to work on pace and accuracy
Yasir Shah 1/10 Horrible outside Asia
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14th January 2019, 21:59 #2
Shan and Babar don't deserve 8, they averaged mid 30s, with no centuries (and not even close, 60 odd and 70 odd highest score respectively). So yeah I think a 6 suffices. Don't think two half centuries (as even Asad did) warrants an 8.
Imam probably gets a 4, he was worse than Asad honestly even though he had the harder job.
Amir was our best player by a country mile, and I think the only one deserving of 8.
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14th January 2019, 22:22 #3
Fakhar - 0/10 poor batting + catch drop
Imam - 3/10 got lucky to even get past 30
Shan - 6/10 good comeback
Azhar - 0/10 no comment
Babar - 8/10 showed seniors how2play
Shafiq - 0/10 no impact throughout tour
Sarfraz - 2/10 poor batting + captaincy
Shadab - 5/10 shouldÂ’ve played all 3
Faheem - 4/10 embarrassing w/bat
Amir - 5/10 failed to pick up early wickets
Abbas - 2/10 not fully fit
Hasan - 3/10 batting > bowling
Shaheen - 6/10 bowled too full at times
Yasir - 0/10 poor bowling, gives up with bat.
Inzi - 0/10 poor selections, azhar, shafiq, imam and sarfraz shouldÂ’ve stayed home.
Mickey - 0/10 keeps praising Shafiq for scoring in a lost cause - that alone gives him a big fat 0
Flower - 0/10 how we gon have a Zimbabwean as a batting coach? Get Jayewardene in or MoYo.
Mahmood - 0/10 ideal bowling coach for limited overs, bring Asif in as Test bowling coach.Last edited by YousafTheBeast; 14th January 2019 at 22:23.
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14th January 2019, 22:46 #4
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14th January 2019, 22:59 #5
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Fakhar ..0
Imam...4.5
Shan...5.5
Azhar...0 (most pathetic performance)
Shafiq...5.5
Babar...6( a little bit selfish)
Sirfraz ...4.5(A’s a player) 2 (as a captain)
Shadab...6
Amir...7 ( best player on show)
Faheem...5
Hasan ...3
Abbas...3
Shaheen....5
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14th January 2019, 23:36 #6
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No player deserves 8, after a 3-0, with 6 days holiday out of 15. This is my rating
Fakhar Zaman 1/10 - didn't deserve points, but he is making a come back from "injury"
Imam Ul Haq 3/10 - whatever did had luck associated with it. A decent catching by SAF would have chopped his 50 & 43 in to single digit. And, for a young players, managed to convince Sarfraz that CS's nephew shouldn't field at risky spots.
Shan Masood 7.5/10 - played brilliantly, better than stats; was unlucky to be out in 1st Test, when looking set for a good innings. For the tallest guy of a vertically challenged squad, Sarfraz decided to make him suffer at short leg, earns 0.5 extra for that.
Azhar Ali (-1)/10 Should be dropped. Nothing in batting, rather stagnated the innings after good start both times and got out exactly wrong time every innings. Managed to bully Sarfraz to post him at 1st slip, at a comfortable distance, and might have cost PAK's slimmest chance of winning one Test. Have to take some point out - zero is too generous after 10 years of cricket.
Babar Azam 7/10 - on batting skills, highest order, Kohli/AB isque from last year. Played some of the best shots of the year, and was screwed by management to be wasted at 6 with tail starting just after him. But, didn't convert starts and cost PAK 2 possible wins - 1st Test and 3rd Test; particularly 3rd Test, when in 1st innings he should have stayed with Shadab & Fahim to take the total as close as possible.
Asad Shafiq 5.5/10 - failed measurably in 1st Test, but played two of the best innings in the series; could have made it really tough for SAF in 2nd Test. Extra half points for catching - best slip fielder in world. On batting & fielding merit should get 6.5, but loses half for celebrating 88 when team was losing and another half for serial failure in 1st innings, when it matters.
Sarfraz Ahmed 2.5/10 - Kept decent - nothing spectacular but didn't mess up regulations, should have stood up against Abbas after his 1st spells, so 3 points out of 4 for that; 2 fifties & 3 ducks - it normalizes, but I give extra half for the 1st 50 coming at 54/5, take that half for the pair in 1st Test - just another 35 in combined innings, it could have been grand. Loses extra half for running mouth after 2nd Test. Expected Captaincy - so no loss, no gain.
Shadab Khan 6/10 - played only Test, and got the best wicket for his game; batted well, bowled reasonable. 6 is actually very good for this series, would have got 7 had he played one more Test.
Faheem Ashraf 5/10 - Good bowling, expected batting. Looses one point for that 1st innings shot.
Mohammad Amir 7.5/10 - my player of the series for PAK. Gave everything, and bowled heart out; but needs to contribute with bat a bit more - another 20-25 from his bat in 1st Test could have made it interesting. Not fit enough to lead Test side, but he should be PAK Captain for WC - managed press conference professionally.
Mohammad Abbas 5.5/10 - Clearly wasn't fit, so gets extra 0.5 points for the effort; was a bit unlucky as well with drop catches. Gets extra 1 point for that batting effort - put Azhar & Sarfraz in shame. PAK team needs such big heart players.
Hasan Ali 4.5/10 - expected series with bat & ball. Shouldn't have played at J'burg. But when in rhythm, bowled well.
Shaheen Afridi 7/10 - only ray of hope from this series. If he needed rest, then PAK should have dropped him at Cape Town which is the slowest & lowest of the 3 venues. His stats would have been better had he played at J'burg. Looses half point for losing pace after 1st spell, which suggests, young-man has taken Test cricket lightly. Had he played & performed in 3rd Test, would have been my MoS for PAK.
Yasir Shah 0/10 - most insignificant player, as if he didn't existed. Screwed by his batsmen, who didn't give him something to defend and by Captain as well. Horrible batting attitude - needs a double demotion in Central contract. Someone playing 5-6 games in a year can't be so poor with bat & fitness.
Mickey Arthur 4/10 - found nothing that could suggests that guy has 35 years of experience in SAF condition. Played Yasir at Centurion, then dropped Shaheen at Wonderars, batted Fakhar as opener(but he failed at 6 as well), batted Babar at 5/6 and Azhar at 4. Overall bowling picks were not satisfactory, particularly not using Fahim in 1st Test and playing for gallery was nauseating - there was no need to criticize SAF wickets. But, gets 4 because I do realize what this PAK side is capable of under a Deshi great as Guru Dronacharya.
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14th January 2019, 23:50 #7
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15th January 2019, 01:37 #8
Shan- 7(great transformation but need to play long inning as well)
Babar- 7( temperament issue is there with him)
Shafiq- 3(sorry but doesnt deserve higher than this)
Imam- 3(mediocre but not terrible)
Sarfaraz- 2( terrible)
Azhar- 1(terrible)
Fakhar- 1(terrible)
Amir- 7( the best bowler of series for Pak)
Shaheen- 6( expected more of him but a good start)
Abbas- 3( mediocre, perhaps injury didn't help)
Hasan- 3( mediocre)
Yasir- 1(terrible)
This is assuming 1 as lowest point and 10 as highest. Fair enough ranking for the 0-3 humiliation.
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15th January 2019, 02:02 #9
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Not sure why everyone giving Sarfraz ridiculous marks. Wicketkeeping was very good. 2 50s, and captaincy average, with this batting team no one could produce results. Sarfraz was 5 out of 10 for me.
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15th January 2019, 02:13 #10
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15th January 2019, 02:23 #11
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15th January 2019, 02:32 #12
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Asad Shafiq 0/10 [was giving him 5, but his selfish game made me cut that also]
Babar Azam 2/10
Azhar 0/10
Sarfraz 3/10
Imam 0/10
Amir 0/10 [his new ball spell was shameful and demoralizing for the team]
Shan Masood 8/10
The above players played all 3 matches and made this tour an eyesore for us, rest don't matter
Hope a new PCB chairman or MD comes in and removes these above-mentioned mafia alongwith the chief selector for our cricket to progress.
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15th January 2019, 03:31 #13
Fakhar 0/10
Imam 3/10
Shan 7/10
Azhar 1/10
Babar 7/10
Shafiq 5/10
Sarfraz 4/10
Shadab 7/10
Faheem 6/10
Amir 7/10
Abbas 2/10
Hasan 5/10
Yasir 2/10
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15th January 2019, 04:04 #14
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Fakhar 1/10 Not a Test player
Imam 6/10 Did okay on his first tour
Shan 7/10 Played well
Azhar 0/10 Please retire
Asad 6/10 Inconsistent, but good SR
Babar 7/10Got screwed down the order
Sarfraz 4/10 Terrible captaincy, decent batting
Shadab 7/10 Great game from him
Faheem 6/10 Good bowling, poor batting
Amir 7/10 Could be better with more pace
Yasir 0/10 ...
Hasan 5/10 Bang average
Shaheen 6/10 His first series, nice potential
Abbas 5/10 Was mediocre, but tried his best
Mickey 3/10 Was expecting more tbh. Not impressed, but I'm patient
Inzi 2/10 No middle order player, opener one too manyLast edited by Rayyman; 15th January 2019 at 04:05.
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15th January 2019, 04:26 #15
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15th January 2019, 06:26 #16
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15th January 2019, 06:29 #17
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15th January 2019, 06:35 #18
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Fakhar Zaman - 1/10
Shan Masood - 6/10
Babar Azam - 6.5/10
Azhar Ali - 1/10
Asad Shafiq - 5.5/10
Mohammad Amir - 6.5/10
Mohammad Abbas - 4/10
Yasir Shah - 1/10
Shaheen Afridi - 6/10
Hasan Ali - 3/10
Shadab - 5/10
Faheem - 4/10
Imam - 4/10
Sarfaraz - 4/10
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15th January 2019, 06:55 #19
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15th January 2019, 07:01 #20
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15th January 2019, 07:17 #21
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15th January 2019, 07:20 #22
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15th January 2019, 07:47 #23
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15th January 2019, 07:52 #24
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15th January 2019, 07:56 #25
Come on, you cannot give 7 and 8 to players without a single century or a 5 wicket haul. These marks are not in comparison with each out but overall performance. If Amir and Bahar get 8 then Oliver and SA bats should get 80
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain
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15th January 2019, 08:00 #26
Do I need to remind people what our test wicket keeping used to loo like under the heady days of the akmal brothers.
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15th January 2019, 08:24 #27
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15th January 2019, 08:35 #28
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Last edited by srh; 15th January 2019 at 08:36.
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15th January 2019, 09:49 #29
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15th January 2019, 20:33 #30
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That's completely wrong way of thinking. It's like saying Ryan Giggs or Geroge Best were no body because Wales or Northern Ireland never made it to WC/Euro in their time.
Players are rated on individual performance and Shan, Amir, Babar, Shaheen did exceptionally well against a much better unit. Their individual performance is an out come of the collective force as well, and they were fighting a lost battle.
Regarding SAF, yes Oliviera will get 9.5 from me, and Rabada at lest 8.5. The difference is not made at individual level - if I consider 6 as acceptable mark, only 4 PAK players reached there and they had to pull lots of baggage - overall PAK's team average is less than 4.5, which in old system is 3rd class. For SAF, apart from De Bruyn & Mahraj (who played a single Test), none of the players will get below 6 - their worst 3 players were Phillander, Bvuma & Elgar; comfortably will walk into PAK XI and their team average point will be over 7.5 which again is like Star Mark in old British system. So, it's a comparison between 3rd class vs Star mark as a team; but individually 4 PAK players pulled a sorry bunch.
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15th January 2019, 21:17 #31
8/10 for Babar Azam with an average of 36 in the series? We are speaking of runs scored by him, not whether he looked good or not.
If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasn’t arrived yet: Viv Richards
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16th January 2019, 17:11 #32
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Fakhar 0
Imam 2
Shan 5
Azhar 0
Asad 2.5
Babar 4
Sarfaraz 2
Amir 6.5
Hasan 4
Shaheen 5
Abbas 2
Yasir 0
Shadab 3
Fahim 2
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16th January 2019, 17:41 #33
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Fakhar-0
Imam-3
Shan-7
Azhar-1
Asad-2
Babar-6
Sarfaraz-3
Amir-5
Hasan-4
Shaheen-6
Abbas-1
Yasir-0
Shadab-4
Fahim-3
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16th January 2019, 18:08 #34
Fakhar-0
Imam-4
Shan-7
Azhar-0
Asad-0
Babar-6
Sarfaraz-3
Amir-6
Hasan-4
Shaheen-5
Abbas-4
Yasir-0
Shadab-6
Fahim-6
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16th January 2019, 18:26 #35
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Fakhar-0
Imam-2
Shan-2
Azhar-0
Asad-3
Babar-4
Sarfaraz-0
Amir-3
Hasan-3
Shaheen-3
Abbas-2
Yasir-0
Shadab-3
Fahim-3
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16th January 2019, 18:32 #36
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Babar showed he was world class, shan showed he may be good and shadab showed he is the best young talent in the game.
Amir Nd Co bowled brilliantly and consistently picked wickets and made it tough.
The problem is the remaining 4 or 5 batsmen were utterly useless.
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17th January 2019, 00:03 #37
Non sense on Babar. Yes, he played breathtaking strokes - and took the attack to the opposition. Demystified Steyn.
But...he didn't score big, even when had the chance, didn't grind it out, didn't farm the strike enough, didn't win a match. He is no Asif Iqbal who'd score 133 for the last wicket.
A very, very good player and future prospect. But no Miandad heart shown yet to deserve an 8.
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17th January 2019, 00:54 #38
No one deserves more than 5.