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    Even Rishabh Pant averages more than Joe Root in test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Even Rishabh Pant averages more than Joe Root in test cricket.
    Good to see you acknowledge pant for once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The other three have at least one competent opener going in ahead of them. Root is continually doing repair jobs because his top two are not test class.

    But the England captaincy is a curse, drastically reducing the run output of Vaughan and to a smaller extent everyone since. They should give it to someone else to free Root up to resume hitting centuries.
    That's a fair point. But we've also seen situations when those three have carried their teams almost single-handedly. Less so with Root.

    As for the captaincy question, I don't see any other option. You could make Stokes captain, who is VC at the moment but then he has the risk of going the Botham route when he was handed captaincy and I don't think an out of form Stokes is something England can afford. Bairstow is not a suitable candidate by any stretch and Butler just got back into the test side. None of the other players are established enough to be captain. It has to be Root and I think if he wants to be counted among the best that ever played for England, he has to stand-up and start performing as captain. When you're as talented a player as Root you have to find a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The other three have at least one competent opener going in ahead of them. Root is continually doing repair jobs because his top two are not test class.
    I would disagree with this. Kohli in the last 3 years has not had the openers doing a good job, especially overseas. Last year almost all of big his runs came with India in trouble after losing early wickets.

    Root'a problem isn't that he comes in early, he's actually good at getting on against good bowling and doing a repair job. But he hardly ever takes his team to a position of true strength after seeing off the difficult opening spells. It is a mental issue and I doubt it will ever be solved.

    If you also look at his scores, unlike Smith, kw and kohli, he almost never gets ugly or gritty hundreds. His good scores are almost always without exception free flowing fluent knocks. When the other 3 have scratchy starts or survive dropped catches etc, they take advantage and ensure they don't let that chance go begging. The ability to get these ugly runs is what separates the good from the great and root doesn't have it.

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    Is he still in his 57-and-out routine?


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts_and_cuts_hard View Post
    I would disagree with this. Kohli in the last 3 years has not had the openers doing a good job, especially overseas. Last year almost all of big his runs came with India in trouble after losing early wickets.

    Root'a problem isn't that he comes in early, he's actually good at getting on against good bowling and doing a repair job. But he hardly ever takes his team to a position of true strength after seeing off the difficult opening spells. It is a mental issue and I doubt it will ever be solved.

    If you also look at his scores, unlike Smith, kw and kohli, he almost never gets ugly or gritty hundreds. His good scores are almost always without exception free flowing fluent knocks. When the other 3 have scratchy starts or survive dropped catches etc, they take advantage and ensure they don't let that chance go begging. The ability to get these ugly runs is what separates the good from the great and root doesn't have it.
    These are two separate issues.

    Root knows how to hit centuries instead of fifties - he has done it sixteen times already. If he knew how then, he can remember.

    If he is averaging 49 in tests despite not being able to score when out of form, that is good enough for me.

    Itís the captaincy that is messing him up as it does to most England captains. They have too much to do compared to other countriesí skippers. Just watch as he gets that thousand yard stare poor Strauss had at the end of his tenure.

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    This is why i dont want babar to be captain yet, it will effect his batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    This is why i dont want babar to be captain yet, it will effect his batting.
    He wonít.

    Donít worry Sarfraz will stay as captain till the next WT20.

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    and again... Root is serious depreciating ... he is being sheltered by Bairstow/Roy/Morgan/Stokes/Butler in the LOI format.. fully exposed in the tests.... he is for most def out of the fab 4.... its fab3 for now ...

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    Analysis on TV showing that he's standing further across his stumps than he was in Ashes 2015, making him more susceptible to LBW. Trying to imitate Steve Smith but failing it seems...


    Arsenal all the way!! (and Pakistan, of course!)

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    Declining rapidly. The English captaincy is cursed but h was flawed even before he was captain.

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    Joe root's last 7 series averages:

    35.5
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    29.5
    16.5 (only 1 match)
    24.75 (so far in 2 matches)

    This is very very alarming. He might not even end up averaging 45. He only averages 48.3 now and it is plummeting with every match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rellu_Katta View Post
    and again... Root is serious depreciating ... he is being sheltered by Bairstow/Roy/Morgan/Stokes/Butler in the LOI format.. fully exposed in the tests.... he is for most def out of the fab 4.... its fab3 for now ...
    What as, a man with sixteen test centuries?

    He is batting too high, and should not be captain. Fix that, and the runs will flow off his bat again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    What as, a man with sixteen test centuries?

    He is batting too high, and should not be captain. Fix that, and the runs will flow off his bat again.
    He should bat at 4 or 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    What as, a man with sixteen test centuries?

    He is batting too high, and should not be captain. Fix that, and the runs will flow off his bat again.
    Seems to be English specific excuses. Tell that to the likes of Kane Williamson.


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    Been saying since Day 1; it was a big mistake making him captain.

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    He's a mental midget.


    A skilled hawk conceals its talons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Seems to be English specific excuses. Tell that to the likes of Kane Williamson.
    Tell that to any of the top three batsmen: Kohli, Smith and Williamson. All of their averages went up when they became captain. He does not have the mental makeup of greats.


    A skilled hawk conceals its talons.

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    The worrying sign for england is not only that he is out of form but has developed a deep technical flaw. He has been found out and might need to significantly alter his technique to save his pads from an inswinger. Though signs are not good, but still one cannot rule out the possibility of root making a grand comeback by getting a big hundred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Tell that to any of the top three batsmen: Kohli, Smith and Williamson. All of their averages went up when they became captain. He does not have the mental makeup of greats.
    Not only that, I would say all of them have very poor top order support when batting in overseas conditions. Pujara before the australia series was a failure overseas, Australia and NZ top order are weak as well. Yet it has not prevented those 3 from scoring runs. Root is simply not as good.

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    Joe Root is an elite test batsmen but a level below Smith and Kohli and in same league as Kane Williamson IMO.

    He has match winning hundred in South Africa and Sri Lanka and averages a brilliant 48 in tests. One has to remember he plays more tests than anyone else, so needs to be given a bit leverage. Smith and Kohli are a level superior and while Kane did stole the show in WC'19 but Root hasnt been that far off from KW in either of the formats.


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