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    Every good player go through ups and downs. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.

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    This one innings does not make up for everything else that has happened, and the underlying problems with Joe and his captaincy remain. But fairís fair - it was a very good knock.

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    It was only a matter of time before a player of Joe's class made some some big runs. Root will always be a part of the Fab 4 no matter much people try force to another batsman in.

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    Quality inning from Root. Can he take his team to victory in this match? Bowlers will have to do the job in 2nd inning though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Every good player go through ups and downs. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.
    But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

    England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBeamer View Post
    It was only a matter of time before a player of Joe's class made some some big runs. Root will always be a part of the Fab 4 no matter much people try force to another batsman in.
    Totally agree. He is a high class player who will be back to his prolific best soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

    England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.
    I donít think it affected Strauss that much. He even turned into a serious ODI player at the end of his ODI captaincy. He was a different type of character though.

    Nevertheless, the captaincy has taken its toll on Root. A brave innings today, but you can sense the burden that he is carrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I donít think it affected Strauss that much. He even turned into a serious ODI player at the end of his ODI captaincy. He was a different type of character though.

    Nevertheless, the captaincy has taken its toll on Root. A brave innings today, but you can sense the burden that he is carrying.
    His average stayed about the same but he became patchy, like Gatting as skipper.

    Strausser has an annoying habit of battling to the close on fifty or a hundred and getting out quickly next morning. This robbed him of a higher aggregate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

    England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.
    Root's batting basics are good. Guys like him won't have prolonged slump captaincy or not.

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    Great effort from him to make 226 against NZ, specially considering the pressure he's been under recently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Root's batting basics are good. Guys like him won't have prolonged slump captaincy or not.
    It’s concentration that is the issue, not mechanics. With more runs from the top three, Root will be better able to relax and get into the Zone.

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    I wish Pakistan had some of these batsmen 'in decline'.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I wish Pakistan had some of these batsmen 'in decline'.
    Azhar Ali

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    Missed a golden opportunity today to take the game away from SA with his batting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    No wonder WI is in bad shape. 29 in 49 is slow? lol Anywho has he watched Shai hope who was having strike rate of 55 in the one dayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    A game down? That's the 1st Test Fidel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    No wonder WI is in bad shape. 29 in 49 is slow? lol Anywho has he watched Shai hope who was having strike rate of 55 in the one dayers
    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    A game down? That's the 1st Test Fidel!
    The tweet is from the 2nd Test between England and NZ where Root made a double-ton and the match was drawn.


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    Root out in a crucial point for England...he has normally had a good time in SA but he seems to be struggling with his feet and timing. As stated a long time ago, Root's back issues may trouble his test career and likely shorten it.

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    still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

    is he losing his hand eye coordination?

    I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

    I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

    is he losing his hand eye coordination?

    I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

    I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.
    I think his back is starting to get to him, which slows down his feet and I'm guessing the stiffness makes him uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. .
    A great player by England standards maybe. This is the same nation that anoints the likes of Michaels Atherton and Vaughan "great" too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

    is he losing his hand eye coordination?

    I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

    I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.
    It seems to me that he somehow lost motivation and lacking the hunger. I do not see any glaring issue with his technique, may be someone with more knowledge and experience can analyze better. As per my observation, it is more mental than technical.

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    Averages 48.4 now!


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    He doesn't have that much of obvious weaknesses. Probably not in rythm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    He doesn't have that much of obvious weaknesses. Probably not in rythm.
    What are you on about? His weakness is temperament - being unable to convert and play long innings. the 40s and 50s are danger time for him.


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    He is good for fifties only. Both Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are better batter than him.

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    Never looked like he was going to take England to victory today.

    Looked edgy, uncomfortable and a walking wicket.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    He is good for fifties only. Both Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are better batter than him.
    Cook has scored more match winnings knocks than Root can even dream of imo.

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    Should be relieved of captaincy ASAP - it is weighing down on him.

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    Precisely the reason I donít want Babar to captain test team. Some guys are not suited for captaincy. Let them just bat..

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    Another typical Joe Root series:

    29, 48, 35, 61, 27 and 59 so far.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Batting is not only about averages and hundreds.

    Root has played so many crucial knocks in this series. He has just helped his team win an away series IN SA.

    He is so underrated over here. One of the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Should be relieved of captaincy ASAP - it is weighing down on him.
    Averaghed 53 when not captain and 43 when captain.

    But his captaincy has come on this series.

    And he scored 343 runs at 45 average.

    That's good enough.

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    With the kind of batting depth Root has at his disposal he can play with a lot more freedom.

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    Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

    Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

    47/169 - 27.8% Root
    34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
    25/131 - 19.0% Smith
    26/141 - 18.4% kohli

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

    Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

    47/169 - 27.8% Root
    34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
    25/131 - 19.0% Smith
    26/141 - 18.4% kohli
    This comparaison means nothing. It depends on the quantity of cricket you play in each country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    This comparaison means nothing. It depends on the quantity of cricket you play in each country.
    What are you talking man? It doesn't mean nothing. Every player analayzes their mode of dismissal and reduces the mode of the dismissal. Tendulkar did during 2004 tour to Australia by cutting out offside shots entirely as he wsa getting out frequently. Kohli worked on his off stump game to reduce the dismissal around the off stump. It worked in England next time. This is exactly why each team has data analysis. Mode of dismissals. What type of bowlers get you out. Opposition strategy is mainly based on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    What are you talking man? It doesn't mean nothing. Every player analayzes their mode of dismissal and reduces the mode of the dismissal. Tendulkar did during 2004 tour to Australia by cutting out offside shots entirely as he wsa getting out frequently. Kohli worked on his off stump game to reduce the dismissal around the off stump. It worked in England next time. This is exactly why each team has data analysis. Mode of dismissals. What type of bowlers get you out. Opposition strategy is mainly based on this.
    Ok, if you are happy believing you are right, that's fine for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Ok, if you are happy believing you are right, that's fine for me.
    This is not a secret. This is one of the most common knowledge. KL Rahul opens the innings. First over he gets an yorker from Hazlewood in Test match and gets bowled. You think it is a coincidence. Who bowls a yorker first over of a test match? Not because KL Rahul 27 out of 60 innings he is either lbw and bowled? Same way with how India worked Finch over , Guptill over with incoming balls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Averaghed 53 when not captain and 43 when captain.

    But his captaincy has come on this series.

    And he scored 343 runs at 45 average.

    That's good enough.
    And if one adds in his runs against New Zealand, which were mainly comprised of his double hundred, for the last two Test series he has been averaging 55.

    Seems to be starting to turn a corner.

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    he is fine the way he is. I respect root. Great player. better than Williamson and only a shade under kohli and smith.

    right now him vs pujara is close. if it weren't for the australia series, root would be ahead comfortably. Now it's close.

    puji at home is scary good though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

    Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

    47/169 - 27.8% Root
    34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
    25/131 - 19.0% Smith
    26/141 - 18.4% kohli
    So basically Root & Williamson are getting caught behind once every 4 innings. Way too high for this generation's top batsmen. Getting caught behind is a sign of poor technique and sometimes the pitches people play on. Unlike some 'learned' people, I'm sure these 2 would be surely doing everything they could, to get that right.

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    Root is a good batsmen, actually an elite level, but leagues below Kohli and Smith.

    Him and Williamson falls in the same league as some of other elite batters- Cook, Pietersen,G Smith, ABDV, Clarke, Amla etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    So basically Root & Williamson are getting caught behind once every 4 innings. Way too high for this generation's top batsmen. Getting caught behind is a sign of poor technique and sometimes the pitches people play on. Unlike some 'learned' people, I'm sure these 2 would be surely doing everything they could, to get that right.
    Go to shot of Kane williamson is back cutting ball to third man. Sometimes he drags on to the stumps. Smith and Kohli have this habit of walking right across. But Smith makes sure he is not infront of the stumps. But Kohli doesn't mind whether he is infront of the stump when he moves across.

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    pope will overtake him as Eng#1 batsman in 2-3 years - at least in Test matches. From what I have seen in 1-2 outings against India in its last tour, pope is much better in technique and has showed the same in SA tour too.

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    But at least he makes couple of fifties.
    Williamsons form is in worry,after world cup he is struggling
    struggled in Srilanka,
    Even that 100 he made against England,Denly dropped a simple catch.
    Against Australia he looked exhaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    When you aim to win the series 3-1, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    When you aim to win the series 3-1, I guess.
    Edwards' Tweet was during the New Zealand vs England series. 2nd Dec.


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    England skipper Root still in training despite virus

    There may be no training nets for them to attend right now but England captains Joe Root and Heather Knight are still following personalised programmes even though no one knows when they will play cricket again.

    Last week the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) announced a seven-week delay to the start of the 2020 season.

    The County Championship, which comprises four-day first-class matches, was due to start on 12 April.

    And although England's Test series at home to the West Indies is not meant to commence until 4 June this may not begin on time either now with the ECB saying on Tuesday there "is uncertainty surrounding when, or if, the domestic and international summer will start".

    But each of England's centrally contracted men's and women's players have been given an individualised training programme.

    Test skipper Root, recently returned from a tour of Sri Lanka that was abandoned during a warm-up match, said: "While it has been good to get some downtime after our return from Sri Lanka, keeping my fitness up is really important so I can be at the top of my game when we get back on the field.

    "I'm an active person anyway, with my young son keeping me busy, but having a structured plan will help me improve in certain areas," the star batsman added.

    "We'd obviously much rather be playing cricket right now, but this gives us an opportunity to recover from a demanding past 12 months and get our bodies in good shape for when matches resume."

    Meanwhile Knight, who hopes to lead her team against India this season, said: "It's obviously not ideal but it's a great way of trying to stay in shape and keep ticking over.

    "This is a new challenge - we'll all just be doing what we can to maintain our levels and hopefully be as ready as we can when we get back playing, whenever that comes."

    Rob Ahmun, ECB's national lead coach for strength and conditioning, said the board had provided centrally contracted men's and women's players with a 'home training' package, including ropes, resistance bands, medicine ball and a kettle ball.

    "If the season does come about and we know we have, say, a six week build-up to the season we've ensured the players aren't starting for a training base of zero, they're starting from a decent base so they can hit the ground running," he said.

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