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    Shadab is a talented bowler but his control of length is really poor for an international bowler.
    He has a high ceiling if he can somehow start hitting a good length consistently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Shadab would not make it into the XI of any other team in this tournament bar maybe WI.

    Can't bat (has a SR of 68 batting at 8) and can't hold up an end. He has very poor control for a frontline spinner, going at 7 RPO today on a slow Lord's pitch.

    He is only in the team for his theatrics at backward point.
    Yet his stats are better then 70% spinner in this tourney he needs to improve but he is not one of the main concerns

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    He needs to play a regular season of first class cricket
    Immense potential but still lacks consistency

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    Wasim Khan can use his influence and get Babar imam Shaheen and shadab some county stints we have next 3 moths off it could aid their development

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    Must work on hard spun leg break pitching on middle and off stump. He needs to also look to get his back foot parallel to the popping crease to give him the rotation of the hips.

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    Spinners in the World Cup:



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    In a world cup filled with fast bowlers, Shadab did pretty good. Stick with him. Yes he needs to work on his line and length for sure. But otherwise he's been decent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Spinners in the World Cup:

    This WC has been a nightmare for spinners

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    Compared to what Pakistan used to have (Saqlain, Ajmal, Abdur Rehman etc.), Shadab is a bit ineffective. Pakistan hasn't had a threatening ODI spinner since Ajmal retired.


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    9 wickets in 6 innings show he wasn't at his best.

    He wasn't 100% right and obviously lacked fitness.



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    Averages 43 at an economy of 5.77 in ODIs this year.

    When will the torture end ?

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    Whenever shadab and imad are playing it feels like we are playing with only 3 bowlers
    But misbah always had good spinner in his team don't think It's gonna Continue

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    A specialist spinner with Saeed Ajmal level batting will be far more handy than the show-off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Averages 43 at an economy of 5.77 in ODIs this year.

    When will the torture end ?
    A spell out of the team won't be the worse thing that can happen to him. He lacks control under pressure but in the 2nd match he got hit, but didn't bowl rubbish, lengths were too full when he tosses up and slows It down. I was also encouraged by the his leg spinner spinning which hasn't all always been the case.

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    Seems a bit distracted.

    Another who needs reminding that he is not an automatic pick in any format.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Seems a bit distracted.

    Another who needs reminding that he is not an automatic pick in any format.
    Maybe thinking of his birthday today!



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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Maybe thinking of his birthday today!

    All he needs is a girlfriend who will look at him the same way Umar Akmal is looking at the spoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Seems a bit distracted.

    Another who needs reminding that he is not an automatic pick in any format.
    He has been found out, has always been a very limited bowler, feasting on minnows with just googly will only get you this far. A pretty good batting prospect though.

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    When you bring someone from PSL straight into national side, after a while you will realize there is more show and less substance to that player. Shadab is a prime example of that. Pakistan cricket as usual is suffering at the hands of poor planning, media pressure and favoritism by the PCB.

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    I still believe he should be persisted with. As a backup, I think Ibtisam Sheikh must be in the radar, as he can bat too. Ibtisam Sheikh has got some potential.

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    Sarfaraz Ahmed speaking to the media:

    "Shadab is fine but he is going through a bad patch right now, he needs your support and he is a bowler who in the past has put in good performances for Pakistan"


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    Batsmen have worked him out and he is simply lobbing up pies these days.

    He was never any special and only did well against minnows.

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    Hearing some stories about his poor attitude these days and how he and a couple of other players are 'heading in the wrong direction'.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Hearing some stories about his poor attitude these days and how he and a couple of other players are 'heading in the wrong direction'.
    Is it the ‘YoYo’-squad which is heading in the wrong direction?

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    4 overs for 38 runs and 1 wicket.

    also he had one run out.

    still got smashed wicket came when sl batsmen were trying to score quick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The humiliation continues. An utterly pathetic bowler.
    honestly i thought he would get better, but there is no hunger or drive to get better.

    infact he has regressed. its evident that the practice that babar does is no where to be seen in other young players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir-fraz View Post
    honestly i thought he would get better, but there is no hunger or drive to get better.

    infact he has regressed. its evident that the practice that babar does is no where to be seen in other young players.
    He was always a nothing bowler except his googly which fooled a lot of weak batsmen initially. However, his googly got found out around 2018 because it is probably easy to pick if you study his action. That novelty factor wore off and he has been awful since.

    It is ridiculous to ignore proper quality spinners like Gohar for this fielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He was always a nothing bowler except his googly which fooled a lot of weak batsmen initially. However, his googly got found out around 2018 because it is probably easy to pick if you study his action. That novelty factor wore off and he has been awful since.

    It is ridiculous to ignore proper quality spinners like Gohar for this fielder.
    gohar shouldve been in a while ago. hopefully he will get picked this year and we wont have to see this guy. hassan faheem and shadab all three need to go. anyone that has zero improvement in 2 years should be dropped asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir-fraz View Post
    gohar shouldve been in a while ago. hopefully he will get picked this year and we wont have to see this guy. hassan faheem and shadab all three need to go. anyone that has zero improvement in 2 years should be dropped asap
    I don’t want to overrate him but if you put Gohar in the Indian team, he won’t look far off from Jadeja. He is quality.

    Only Pakistan would keep him out for an average all-rounder. It is like benching Kuldeep for Krunal Pandya.

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    Enough of Shadab, get Gohar to replace him in all 3 formats.

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    leggie

    time to look beyond Shadab i believe, Umer Khan comes to mind

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    The problem with Shadab is wrong coaching, they tried to turn him to a orthodox spinner which he never meant to be, his success comes from bowling quick leggies and googlies at around 85ks which actually turns and the batsmen having very little time to react, he was never accurate enough but less reaction time for the batsmen means he will always pick wickets but now he tries to flight the bowl and still got very less control over his length but now the reaction time for batsmen is enough to hit for a boundary and less reaction time means less chances for wickets as well, I think he just need to bowl quicker again and try to be more accurate.

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    Misbah speaking to press:

    "Shadab is working hard but he's under pressure a bit, he's not in form. We are working with him and trying to give him confidence. He was an outstanding bowler but suddenly began to struggle. Let's see what happens going forward"


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    I feel sorry for the kid. He's having a tough patch. He should take a break for a few games. I just don't think we have the right coaching staff. They all seem to be one-dimensional.

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    the break should be longer than a few series... he needs to go back and improve....

    even in last psl (where he was supposedly made the star from) he was not even the most effective in isb united team, let alone in the tournament... he was out-bowled by patel-samit and thts a proper shame for an international selected leggie.

    Zafar Gohar deserves a chance ... his performance in isb few games was rocking... hez been wasted in tht team and not getting picked in international is a shame on Micky and now this pea-brain

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    I was chatting today with a former coach of Shadab's and he interestingly mentioned the Hepatitis issue and the fact that Shadab has not been the same since that illness.

    Had he fully recovered or was he rushed back?
    Last edited by Saj; 8th October 2019 at 02:02.



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    Hope he does get back to his best, I think only he will improve is by playing 4 day cricket.

    I would love to see someone like Mushtaq ahmed or saqi working with him.

    We need too develop him back into a wicket taking option

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    Technical issues with his bowling.

    Look at the way the Sri Lankan spinner got it to spin, yet Shadab was hardly getting any turn.

    The loop, the fizz, the revolutions are just not there.




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    He needs a spin-bowling coach.

    Maybe PCB should hire Saeed Ajmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muhammad saad View Post
    The problem with Shadab is wrong coaching, they tried to turn him to a orthodox spinner which he never meant to be, his success comes from bowling quick leggies and googlies at around 85ks which actually turns and the batsmen having very little time to react, he was never accurate enough but less reaction time for the batsmen means he will always pick wickets but now he tries to flight the bowl and still got very less control over his length but now the reaction time for batsmen is enough to hit for a boundary and less reaction time means less chances for wickets as well, I think he just need to bowl quicker again and try to be more accurate.
    A valid observation. His strength was bowling quick and short. Not by flighting the ball. Also he was bowling quicker two years ago. I was one of those who thought he would get better by flighting and slowing it down. Clearly not his strength though. Needs that pace through the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    A valid observation. His strength was bowling quick and short. Not by flighting the ball. Also he was bowling quicker two years ago. I was one of those who thought he would get better by flighting and slowing it down. Clearly not his strength though. Needs that pace through the air.
    Yeah, he was bit like 30ks slow version of M.Asif using both way movement and shorter reaction time to get wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    He needs a spin-bowling coach.

    Maybe PCB should hire Saeed Ajmal.
    Beyond me why PCB are not making use of Mushtaq Ahmed...


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Beyond me why PCB are not making use of Mushtaq Ahmed...
    He’s the west Indian spin coach

    Danish kaneria would be a good move, you might scoff but azhurudeen is the head of the hyderabadi board


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    He’s the west Indian spin coach

    Danish kaneria would be a good move, you might scoff but azhurudeen is the head of the hyderabadi board
    Even from before he became WI spin coach, they weren't using him. Plus I'm very sure the PCB can pay him more than WI can and he'd also prefer being in Pakistan, so him being employed already is not the problem.


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    I remember when PP’ers were adamant that Hasan Ali and Shadab Khan were world class talents.

    A good wake up call to humble the fans. Also, a good reality check that we should give a player good 2-3 years to evaluate his consistency in giving MOTM performances which likes if Hasan Ali & Shadab Khan have failed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Even from before he became WI spin coach, they weren't using him. Plus I'm very sure the PCB can pay him more than WI can and he'd also prefer being in Pakistan, so him being employed already is not the problem.
    Mushy wouldn’t be any use
    Yasir shah models himself on Shane warne and shadab khan on Steve Smith


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Beyond me why PCB are not making use of Mushtaq Ahmed...
    Even Saqi would work.

    Heck even Danish Kaneria...

    He needs guidance and needs to be told to bowl like how he used to and to use his googly more often.

    He bowls slower these days compared to when he joined the team.

    He isn’t a traditional leggie.

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    Sadab is an ordinary spinner, much more ordinary than our ones. I believe that Pakistan has much better options than Sadab. He just can't spin the ball, thus leaks many many runs and takes 1 or 2 lucky wickets. Needs to replace him ASAP.

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    Playing so much T20 has destroyed his bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Playing so much T20 has destroyed his bowling.
    If that was right then he should've at least been doing well in T20s right??


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    He was never a good bowler. We need a proper Spinner, we will keep experimenting with this kid and he will not win you games regardless of the format. One game here and there and that's all you will get. Its time to find a proper class spinner and invest in him. Heck SL leggie bowled beautifully in the lights and this guy after playing many games internationally not trying to learn anything.

    Yes go ahead and say he is only 18 or 19... you can keep discussing his bowling after 5 yrs and he will still be the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    If that was right then he should've at least been doing well in T20s right??
    It doesn't work that way.

    These days, T20 is dominated by spinners, but spinners who have mastered the art of spin bowling from First Class cricket - then they are exploiting the vulnerability of batsmen trying to maintain 10+ RR in middle & late overs and batsmen with little foot/wrist work. For Shadab, he has developed nothing for a leggi - no stock ball, poor line, pathetic length, not much turn or drift and he has a knack of bowling absolute rubbish every here & there.

    In T20, sometimes batsmen will lob his long-hops to wards boundary fielders, but that's to maintain stats, not much effect. A Leggi must take wickets in T20 inside first 12 overs (Or 1st spell) so that the wicket matters & pulls down the run-rate. In LOs, couple of wickets in wrong time is worth 25 runs, massive in 20 overs' game - can't recall when Shadb did that last time. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It doesn't work that way.

    These days, T20 is dominated by spinners, but spinners who have mastered the art of spin bowling from First Class cricket - then they are exploiting the vulnerability of batsmen trying to maintain 10+ RR in middle & late overs and batsmen with little foot/wrist work. For Shadab, he has developed nothing for a leggi - no stock ball, poor line, pathetic length, not much turn or drift and he has a knack of bowling absolute rubbish every here & there.

    In T20, sometimes batsmen will lob his long-hops to wards boundary fielders, but that's to maintain stats, not much effect. A Leggi must take wickets in T20 inside first 12 overs (Or 1st spell) so that the wicket matters & pulls down the run-rate. In LOs, couple of wickets in wrong time is worth 25 runs, massive in 20 overs' game - can't recall when Shadb did that last time. .
    I also don't like Shadab's attitude. He is laughing in the middle of a spanking. When Amir did a misfield, both he and Shahad were laughing. They are also happy to let things drift and hope for the wicket.

    This is not a professional outfit at this stage. it is a one big happy family - win or lose.

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    He's bowling to quick, slow it down to 80-85 kph, give the ball some flight.

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    4 over for 32

    Also he dropped a dolly

    Bromance with hassan needs to stop.

    He should be prioritzing cricket not partying.

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    This guy never deserved to be in the Pakistan team.

    He was picked due to a flukey PSL and his fake age.

    I don't want to see him in a green shirt for next 3 years at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I don’t want to overrate him but if you put Gohar in the Indian team, he won’t look far off from Jadeja. He is quality.

    Only Pakistan would keep him out for an average all-rounder. It is like benching Kuldeep for Krunal Pandya.
    Funny how you love overrating Imad Wasim as being the only genuine all-rounder in the Pakistan team. A guy with a batting average of 50 and a bowling average of 62 against the top 5 teams. Sounds more like a batsman to me than all-rounder. Also Imad in the prime of his career.

    Shadab a 21 year old averaging 29 with the bat and 37 with the ball against top 4 sides definitely isnt the best all-rounder but is more of a genuine all-rounder than Imad right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPakistani View Post
    Funny how you love overrating Imad Wasim as being the only genuine all-rounder in the Pakistan team. A guy with a batting average of 50 and a bowling average of 62 against the top 5 teams. Sounds more like a batsman to me than all-rounder. Also Imad in the prime of his career.

    Shadab a 21 year old averaging 29 with the bat and 37 with the ball against top 4 sides definitely isnt the best all-rounder but is more of a genuine all-rounder than Imad right?
    Imad is a batting all-rounder. That's known to most who follow Pakistan cricket.

    But a genuine all-rounder is somebody who can get into to the team on his batting alone and bowling alone.

    Shadab's 29 batting average is bad

    His 37 bowling average is bad.

    He is a bits and pieces player.

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    Drop him NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Imad is a batting all-rounder. That's known to most who follow Pakistan cricket.

    But a genuine all-rounder is somebody who can get into to the team on his batting alone and bowling alone.

    Shadab's 29 batting average is bad

    His 37 bowling average is bad.

    He is a bits and pieces player.
    A GENUINE all-rounder is someone who gets into the team because of their batting and bowling, Imad is in the team because of his batting. Shadab is the closest to a genuine all-rounder we have. 29 batting average is not bad for an all-rounder a bowling average of 37 is pretty high it should be closer to 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    If that was right then he should've at least been doing well in T20s right??
    No.

    He hasn’t developed accuracy, variety, and ways to dismiss set batters. Most of his wickets are due to batters playing poor shots.

    These type of things you learn from bowling leg spin in first class cricket .

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    Misbah-ul-Haq on Shadab:

    "Regarding Shadab, which wrist-spinner do we have? We have had 24 teams playing FC cricket, tell me about one wrist-spinner who we aren't picking? Tell me one name. Tell me about one player who is playing FC cricket. (Someone says Usman Qadir) Is Usman Qadir playing FC cricket? We are also seeing this problem as you are, but when we see a player in front of us then we'll pick him. The problem is that we have to see players from the bottom and we need to groom them. So with 6 teams, we (committee with Rashid Latif, Nadeem Khan) tried to pick any available wrist-spinner and them in teams so that they play and we can have some backup. There's no backup for Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan. The problem is availability, we are working on it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Sarfaraz Ahmed on Shadab:

    "Regarding Shadab, which wrist-spinner do we have? We have had 24 teams playing FC cricket, tell me about one wrist-spinner who we aren't picking? Tell me one name. Tell me about one player who is playing FC cricket. (Someone says Usman Qadir) Is Usman Qadir playing FC cricket? We are also seeing this problem as you are, but when we see a player in front of us then we'll pick him. The problem is that we have to see players from the bottom and we need to groom them. So with 6 teams, we (committee with Rashid Latif, Nadeem Khan) tried to pick any available wrist-spinner and them in teams so that they play and we can have some backup. There's no backup for Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan. The problem is availability, we are working on it"
    Someone tell this idiot that you don’t pick a wrist spinner for the sake of it.

    Also this is T20s so has nothing to do with F.C. cricket.

    Mohammad asghar, Ibtisam sheikh and zafar gohar Or even umer Khan miles better than this self appointed star boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPakistani View Post
    Funny how you love overrating Imad Wasim as being the only genuine all-rounder in the Pakistan team. A guy with a batting average of 50 and a bowling average of 62 against the top 5 teams. Sounds more like a batsman to me than all-rounder. Also Imad in the prime of his career.

    Shadab a 21 year old averaging 29 with the bat and 37 with the ball against top 4 sides definitely isnt the best all-rounder but is more of a genuine all-rounder than Imad right?
    Shadab is not a genuine all-rounder; he is a genuine all-round failure.

    His average of late 20s is not bad but it is absolutely atrocious when you consider that his SR is in the 60s. He simply cannot perform any role with the bat - if he comes to the middle with plenty of overs to spare, he does worse tuk tuk than Misbah; if he comes to the middle late in the innings, he is found wanting when it comes to playing big shots. He is not good enough to bat at any position.

    Imad’s bowling average is high, but he is not a strike spinner. His job is to contain the opposition and he does that job reasonably well. However, his batting is lightyears ahead of Shadab because he is the cleanest lower-order striker in the team and more often than not keeps a cool head. His bowling alone is not great, but if you combine it with his batting, he is definitely a far better all-rounder than anyone in Pakistan at the moment. At least he is able to contribute in one facet unlike Shadab.

    Shadab is a Saad Nasim who got extremely lucky. In fact he is probably the luckiest player in the country because he is not 10% as good as the amount of chances and opportunities he has had. He has been put on a pedestal for nothing. Had life taken a different turn for him, he would be just about breaking into domestic cricket right now because that is what he deserves on cricketing merit. Even at the age of 50, Afridi is still twice the all-rounder.

    He did well in his first PSL season and followed it up with some good performances when Pakistan played West Indies a billion times in 2017, a team that struggles immensely even against poor spinners on turning tracks. Since then, he has been regularly getting exposed and can’t even perform in PSL anymore. He has been rubbish in the last two editions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Misbah-ul-Haq on Shadab:

    "Regarding Shadab, which wrist-spinner do we have? We have had 24 teams playing FC cricket, tell me about one wrist-spinner who we aren't picking? Tell me one name. Tell me about one player who is playing FC cricket. (Someone says Usman Qadir) Is Usman Qadir playing FC cricket? We are also seeing this problem as you are, but when we see a player in front of us then we'll pick him. The problem is that we have to see players from the bottom and we need to groom them. So with 6 teams, we (committee with Rashid Latif, Nadeem Khan) tried to pick any available wrist-spinner and them in teams so that they play and we can have some backup. There's no backup for Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan. The problem is availability, we are working on it"
    Picked as there is nobody else



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    A good wrist-spinner is an asset but a poor wrist-spinner is a liability. Pakistan should stop this drama of investing in rubbish players just because they fit a certain profile on paper. The wasted three years on a nothing cricketer like Faheem Ashraf just because he called himself an all-rounder.

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    His stats of late are terrible. That is not down to bad luck, it's down to some really poor bowling, technical issues and a lack of focus.

    We've seen plenty of 'greats' have a few good matches and then disappear. Hope this lad doesn't head in that same direction.



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    Just tell him to bowl quick and also get some control over his length , He will be fine but I think he should be drop till PSL performances (if he does perform)

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    A bowler who’s yet to figure out the lines he must bowl to right handers.
    A leg spinner should pitch the ball on middle n leg and rip it from there.He pitches it way outside the off stump. Needs to learn from a contemporary like Chahal.

    His decline also has a lot do with Sarfraz impatience behind the wickets who instructs him almost every ball.

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    Misbah speaking to the press today:

    "We have a backup for Shadab and we're working on him. We are all working on his issue with his action and in the last two matches, his bowling was a bit better and there was some nip in his bowling. He is a valuable player for us, he's a livewire in the field and he can bat, and we're working on improving that as well. We brought Usman Qadir so we are also working on someone alongside Shadab"


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    Usama Mir?

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    Shadab Khan 4/26 in 4 overs vs Balochistan today


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Misbah speaking to the press today:

    "We have a backup for Shadab and we're working on him. We are all working on his issue with his action and in the last two matches, his bowling was a bit better and there was some nip in his bowling. He is a valuable player for us, he's a livewire in the field and he can bat, and we're working on improving that as well. We brought Usman Qadir so we are also working on someone alongside Shadab"
    Misbah played well here, I don't think Usman qadir will be in starting 11. Usmans inclusion has put shadab on fire.. 🔥

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny_majoka View Post
    Misbah played well here, I don't think Usman qadir will be in starting 11. Usmans inclusion has put shadab on fire.. ��
    Yes.

    A gentle nudge to Shadab, that he isn't the only leggie in Pakistan.



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    Shadab takes out Haris Sohail and Imran Farhat - 2 big wickets in Nat T20 Final


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Shadab takes out Haris Sohail and Imran Farhat - 2 big wickets in Nat T20 Final
    was it actually good bowling or just poor batting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rellu_Katta View Post
    was it actually good bowling or just poor batting?
    He seems to be bowling better now. He is looping it up a bit more and has stopped bowling that horrible leg side line. He's also bowling less of those long hops.


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