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    "We need to get to the point where India will ask us to play them" : PCB MD Wasim Khan

    Playing India : "Its a massive challenge and I dont think we will have a solution soon"

    "We need to have some pride also when it comes to playing with India, we need to get to point when they will ask us to play them"

    "Life goes on and its sad that we are not playing India but we need to carry on and move forward"
    So this is new way to creating headlines.Mr.Khan just do it , no need to give statements which have no purpose other than gaining media attention.

    PCB needs BCCI not the other way around.It won't be changing anytime soon.What is difference between you and other headline mongers.

    India never stopped Pakistan or PCB from doing anything.This notion of BCCI running towards PCB if Pakistan becomes a top three team is wrong.
    India is not playing Pakistan for reasons which are know to everyone.

    Good luck looking inwards and best of luck in making Pakistan top three team.
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    Things are falling in place for pakistan cricket. Men with vision are in charge. Matter of time before it gets large.

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    How ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Things are falling in place for pakistan cricket. Men with vision are in charge. Matter of time before it gets large.
    What will happen then???

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    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    So this is new way to creating headlines.Mr.Khan just do it , no need to give statements which have no purpose other than gaining media attention.

    PCB needs BCCI not the other way around.It won't be changing anytime soon.What is difference between you and other headline mongers.

    India never stopped Pakistan or PCB from doing anything.This notion of BCCI running towards PCB if Pakistan becomes a top three team is wrong.
    India is not playing Pakistan for reasons which are know to everyone.

    Good luck looking inwards and best of luck in making Pakistan top three team.
    India not playing Pakistan seems more of electoral politics and not much else. But that’s subject matter for a different forum. For now Pakistan is better off work on its own stuff, because they will get hammered by India whatever format they play

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    India will not play Pak even if they are no. 1 in all formats.

    Only way it could happen is if there is a change in govt and that govt wants to improve relationship with Pak.

    Otherwise no chance at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    India will not play Pak even if they are no. 1 in all formats.

    Only way it could happen is if there is a change in govt and that govt wants to improve relationship with Pak.

    Otherwise no chance at all.
    dude, there was no playing when the other govt was in power so i doubt any govt in india will allow games bet ind and pak unless certain issues get sorted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    What?
    exactly

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    Thats the spirit. Why Indians here are so bothered ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Thats the spirit. Why Indians here are so bothered ?
    We are not bothered, we are just amused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon751 View Post
    exactly
    No, the OP had an awful headline for the thread which is now fixed by the mods. Think Mr Wasim was asked a question, and he answered it in the best way he could. Dont understand indians fussing over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    We are not bothered, we are just amused.
    What is amusing ? Is talking about India a blasphemy ? Is it always about making headlines ? He can say whatever he sees fit. Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    India not playing Pakistan seems more of electoral politics and not much else. But that’s subject matter for a different forum. For now Pakistan is better off work on its own stuff, because they will get hammered by India whatever format they play
    Just like in the CT final?

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    The Indians need to remember that we are ahead in wins in both Tests and Odis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Just like in the CT final?
    I prefer Pakistan’s chances in one-off events rather than a full series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    I prefer Pakistan’s chances in one-off events rather than a full series
    Maybe, but PK are not as bad as we make out and Ind besides Kohli have a vulnerable batting lineup.

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    Can the PCB realistically maximize revenues without playing against India in a home series? I am pretty sure that the amount of money the PCB makes from hosting India in one series alone is far greater than what it can make from hosting all the other countries combined.

    The rest of the world is able to encash on hosting India but the PCB has not hosted India in any form since 2008 and it has naturally hit the PCB coffers hard.

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    When it comes to money, BCCI is very logical regarding it.

    Everyone knows that a Pakistan vs India series is profitable, no matter who is stronger.

    THe games are sold out and there is high tv viewership for it aswell. Infact, in the past hosting rights for television were signed on the basis of how many India Pakistan series will be played.
    Thus, i do not believe that BCCI is this dumb regarding not playing Pakistan.

    Problem is not BCCI, its Indian Government.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Can the PCB realistically maximize revenues without playing against India in a home series? I am pretty sure that the amount of money the PCB makes from hosting India in one series alone is far greater than what it can make from hosting all the other countries combined.

    The rest of the world is able to encash on hosting India but the PCB has not hosted India in any form since 2008 and it has naturally hit the PCB coffers hard.
    Yes, not playing a series with them has affected us.

    But Pakistan could take advantage of other cricketing markets.

    Pakistan could easily create a rivalry with Afghanistan, but it all depends on the marketing.


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    This guy has clearly been living under a rock. It doesn't matter who plays for Pakistan or what Pakistan achieves, the bigoted Indian government and BCCI officials won't let there be cricket between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Yes, not playing a series with them has affected us.

    But Pakistan could take advantage of other cricketing markets.

    Pakistan could easily create a rivalry with Afghanistan, but it all depends on the marketing.
    This is not the WWE. You don't create rivalries out of thin air. They develop over time when two teams have many classic matches, memorable moments and great competition. It is laughable to suggest that Afghanistan could replace India as Pakistan's chief rival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This guy has clearly been living under a rock. It doesn't matter who plays for Pakistan or what Pakistan achieves, the bigoted Indian government and BCCI officials won't let there be cricket between the two.

    Kab tak India,Indian government,BCCI ka rona rote rahoge?

    Even Afghanistan refused to play with you in 2017

    Now what does this tell you?

    Just accept the truth that your nation is getting isolated internationally and thus you are facing the boycott in different fields which also includes cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This guy has clearly been living under a rock. It doesn't matter who plays for Pakistan or what Pakistan achieves, the bigoted Indian government and BCCI officials won't let there be cricket between the two.
    What is bigoted about Indian govt and BCCI. They don't want to do play wth Pakistan and they have every right to do so, if they stopped PCB from playing anybody or stopped it from doing anything you have reason to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    What is bigoted about Indian govt and BCCI. They don't want to do play wth Pakistan and they have every right to do so, if they stopped PCB from playing anybody or stopped it from doing anything you have reason to complain.
    This is called discrimination. I am not complaining, by the way. I am simply stating a truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyanRyan10 View Post
    Kab tak India,Indian government,BCCI ka rona rote rahoge?

    Even Afghanistan refused to play with you in 2017

    Now what does this tell you?

    Just accept the truth that your nation is getting isolated internationally and thus you are facing the boycott in different fields which also includes cricket
    My "nation" is Canada and I don't see it being isolated. As for Pakistan, I don't see any other cricket board refusing to play against them, do you?

    Even India forgets all their principles when they actually have something to lose by enforcing their "boycott" of Pakistani cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This guy has clearly been living under a rock. It doesn't matter who plays for Pakistan or what Pakistan achieves, the bigoted Indian government and BCCI officials won't let there be cricket between the two.
    We all know including many Indians they have a religous extermist government but I like this new approach from Wasim. He is pretty much saying, we need to stop asking/begging India to play and wait until the day they change their own approach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This is called discrimination. I am not complaining, by the way. I am simply stating a truth.



    My "nation" is Canada and I don't see it being isolated. As for Pakistan, I don't see any other cricket board refusing to play against them, do you?

    Even India forgets all their principles when they actually have something to lose by enforcing their "boycott" of Pakistani cricket.
    That is not discrimination, Australia does not want Bangladesh to tour them and they don't want to tour Pakistan .It is their choice, how can you fault Australia.Bangldesh touring them would have massive financial losses for them.

    This is not some business establishment in one country which opens doors for one type of customers and shuts its doors to other races.

    This involves one country and its govt has every right to do what is good for their people and its sports bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The Indians need to remember that we are ahead in wins in both Tests and Odis.
    Exactly, and you should be happy we don't play PCT enough,imagine the Billaterals being in Asia and even biased supporters like Bilal have said India is stronger in Asia..so your record remains intact..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    No, the OP had an awful headline for the thread which is now fixed by the mods. Think Mr Wasim was asked a question, and he answered it in the best way he could. Dont understand indians fussing over it.
    not fussing, laughing

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Exactly, and you should be happy we don't play PCT enough,imagine the Billaterals being in Asia and even biased supporters like Bilal have said India is stronger in Asia..so your record remains intact..
    We nearly whitewashed u in india in 2012 when our team wasn't even that strong.
    U're making up things. If they play in a bilateral series then only then we'll know who will win. U can't just say if they had played india would have won

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Yes, not playing a series with them has affected us.

    But Pakistan could take advantage of other cricketing markets.

    Pakistan could easily create a rivalry with Afghanistan, but it all depends on the marketing.
    its always about the money , am sure there are billions to be made from afg-pak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This is not the WWE. You don't create rivalries out of thin air. They develop over time when two teams have many classic matches, memorable moments and great competition. It is laughable to suggest that Afghanistan could replace India as Pakistan's chief rival.
    its called marketing


    You have no idea regarding the Afghan market in cricket


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Exactly, and you should be happy we don't play PCT enough,imagine the Billaterals being in Asia and even biased supporters like Bilal have said India is stronger in Asia..so your record remains intact..
    Our record will remain intact because throughout our and your history, we are better than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tahir View Post
    We nearly whitewashed u in india in 2012 when our team wasn't even that strong.
    U're making up things. If they play in a bilateral series then only then we'll know who will win. U can't just say if they had played india would have won
    7 years ago bud..we don't bring up stats from similar to CT of 1985..where we beat PCT in final..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Our record will remain intact because throughout our and your history, we are better than you.
    In what ,cricket and how?What makes you think that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In what ,cricket and how?What makes you think that..
    Go look at head to head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Go look at head to head.
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In what ,cricket and how?What makes you think that..
    Do you really need more- go on cricinfo and check the records for Test and Odis. May be its just too painful for you to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?
    Yes. When we played you, we beat you

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?
    Yes in comparison between two teams generally head-to-head is the gold standard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Yes. When we played you, we beat you
    So you are saying Windies,England and South Africa have always been better than Pakistan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes in comparison between two teams generally head-to-head is the gold standard.
    Ok got it, so looks like England,SA and Windies are better than Pakistan also England-SA inspite of not winning a single WC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes in comparison between two teams generally head-to-head is the gold standard.
    No one uses that metric in any sport to compare two teams. You use their overall achievements, not their performances against each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?
    in sports, its always head to head thats taken into account.

    Keeping tally of world cup wins is something that India has started to do. Its really childish.

    Those stats are manipulated on purpose.

    If Pakistan had not defeated India in champions trophy(2009) they would had been using champions trophy win in there stats and call it Pak vs India performance at ICC events.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Ok got it, so looks like England,SA and Windies are better than Pakistan also England-SA inspite of not winning a single WC.
    India's only wins that Pakistan has not matched are the 2nd WC, and series win in AUS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    No one uses that metric in any sport to compare two teams. You use their overall achievements, not their performances against each other.
    ah please go watch more sports, head to head is always the standard. Not overall achievements.

    In NHL this has always been the case, aswell as NFL and NBA


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    Right now I think Pakistan could do well with no 5 match ODI bileterals with India as I think the head to head would take a massive hit, like Pakistan might lose 8/9 out of 10 matches. India is much superior at the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    India's only wins that Pakistan has not matched are the 2nd WC, and series win in AUS.
    Yes, but my point was about head to head not being exact metric to measure strength.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    in sports, its always head to head thats taken into account.

    Keeping tally of world cup wins is something that India has started to do. Its really childish.

    Those stats are manipulated on purpose.

    If Pakistan had not defeated India in champions trophy(2009) they would had been using champions trophy win in there stats and call it Pak vs India performance at ICC events.
    To give you an idea in football records between Brazil vs Netherlands is 4 wins 4 loss 4 tie, are you saying both countries are considered equal in football?


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    Lol reminds of this Indian chap I know at work who went back home for three weeks..when he came back I asked him mazaa aya going back home? He said mazaa kya Sazaa he thee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    But happy are to play Pakistan in tourneys or ACC events or even other sports.

    Another day, another troll, another ignore list entree.
    Yes, I'm very happy that the government is being flexible and not causing damage to the Indian cricket team - limiting its policy to BILATERAL cricket. And not insisting on its way or the highway when it comes to Indian sports. Some may find it hypocritical, I find the flexibility to be smart, and am supportive of not cutting off one's own nose to spite your face.

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    And why would India do that? There is no need to.

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    India is happy making loads of money and others making loads of money of it and even happier to see the pcb struggling financially and earning a pittance in comparison playing against others.

    PCB needs to find a unique bill gates or Steve jobs type idea to start making serious money without the BCCI

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    Can't see happening this in near futur.
    But we should not loose hope and keep focusing on our cricket.
    Things will not be the same

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    "We need to get to the point where India will ask us to play them". So what does that mean exactly?

    1)Pak should be a top team in all formats and India should feel compelled to play against them to prove their worth? Nope. Doesn't matter one bit to BCCI or GOI if Pakistan is no.1 in all formats.

    2) PCB gets financially very strong and India is forced to seek some of the spoils? Economies of scale means PCB can never be financially as strong as BCCI. Moreover, BCCI's biggest revenue is from IPL and not the ICC's distribution. IPL wasn't impacted by lack of Pakistani players. The loss of revenue to BCCI due to lack of home.series with Pak is a collateral damage and doesn't impact as much to India with multiple revenue streams compared to Pak. This is GOI and thereby BCCI trying to hurt Pakistan financially.

    3) Pak gains more influence within world cricket and will influence other teams to either boycott BCCI or IPL and thereby forcing BCCI's hand. This isn't feasible due to the financial might of BCCI and the soft power of India.

    4) GOP puts pressure on GOI through Western world for talks and peace which may or may not work. Some sort of political solution where cricket is the means of diplomacy is a distant solution.

    I might have missed other angles but looks a long shot unless GOI doesn't deliberately want to hurt Pak financially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    "We need to get to the point where India will ask us to play them". So what does that mean exactly?

    1)Pak should be a top team in all formats and India should feel compelled to play against them to prove their worth? Nope. Doesn't matter one bit to BCCI or GOI if Pakistan is no.1 in all formats.

    2) PCB gets financially very strong and India is forced to seek some of the spoils? Economies of scale means PCB can never be financially as strong as BCCI. Moreover, BCCI's biggest revenue is from IPL and not the ICC's distribution. IPL wasn't impacted by lack of Pakistani players. The loss of revenue to BCCI due to lack of home.series with Pak is a collateral damage and doesn't impact as much to India with multiple revenue streams compared to Pak. This is GOI and thereby BCCI trying to hurt Pakistan financially.

    3) Pak gains more influence within world cricket and will influence other teams to either boycott BCCI or IPL and thereby forcing BCCI's hand. This isn't feasible due to the financial might of BCCI and the soft power of India.

    4) GOP puts pressure on GOI through Western world for talks and peace which may or may not work. Some sort of political solution where cricket is the means of diplomacy is a distant solution.

    I might have missed other angles but looks a long shot unless GOI doesn't deliberately want to hurt Pak financially.
    May have to agree with all your other points but for point one i think what has really hurt Pakistan the most is the abscence of elite world class players. We have just not had any player with the style, flamboyance and world class status of the players of the 90's.

    If Pakistan had 5-6 major world class match winners who establish a world wide fan fare and following with their personalities and following, the Indian Cricket team and its players will come under media and expert pressure to test themselves on how they would fare against these Pakistani players.

    Sadly atm Pakistan just does not have those players while India has plenty which speaking in Boxing terms makes India the A side and Pakistan the D side and normally the D side has to beg the A side for everything and the A side will be happy making money fighting others and does not really need the D side.

    If the present Pakistan team had a peak Wasim, Waqar, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, Imran Khan and co, i can bet my bottom dollar the entire world and the whole of India would like to see how the best Indian players would fare against them.

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    Not playing Pakistan give an illusion of being tough against Pakistan to the impressionist Indians.

    It has nothing to do with cricket and nothing will change even if Pakistan were to become # 1 team in all format.

    As long as radicalized extremists ruling India they will keep utilizing soft target to appear tough because that is what they are limited to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    "We need to get to the point where India will ask us to play them". So what does that mean exactly?

    1)Pak should be a top team in all formats and India should feel compelled to play against them to prove their worth? Nope. Doesn't matter one bit to BCCI or GOI if Pakistan is no.1 in all formats.

    2) PCB gets financially very strong and India is forced to seek some of the spoils? Economies of scale means PCB can never be financially as strong as BCCI. Moreover, BCCI's biggest revenue is from IPL and not the ICC's distribution. IPL wasn't impacted by lack of Pakistani players. The loss of revenue to BCCI due to lack of home.series with Pak is a collateral damage and doesn't impact as much to India with multiple revenue streams compared to Pak. This is GOI and thereby BCCI trying to hurt Pakistan financially.

    3) Pak gains more influence within world cricket and will influence other teams to either boycott BCCI or IPL and thereby forcing BCCI's hand. This isn't feasible due to the financial might of BCCI and the soft power of India.

    4) GOP puts pressure on GOI through Western world for talks and peace which may or may not work. Some sort of political solution where cricket is the means of diplomacy is a distant solution.

    I might have missed other angles but looks a long shot unless GOI doesn't deliberately want to hurt Pak financially.
    India’s humongous population and viewership cannot be beaten by pak any time sooner. We have enough of our own population who can fill our stadiums and can beat online viewership records so no problem for BCCI. Indians love watching cricket and one flame buoyant star like kohli is enough to raise interest in teens and children. India can self sustain herself even if every country refuses to play with her. So it will be long time before India will ask PCB for any favors.

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    Why do we want to play with a country we have beaten so often? I mean we've won like 20 more ODIs, like seriously bro. Not to mention the discrimination. Time to focus on what's important. There are better and right ways to make profit.

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    Pakistan being a much stronger team talent wise can easily beat India on their day. I'm just glad we are not playing them atm.
    Imagine Amir bowling 120Ks bouncers at Kohli/Rohit *shudders*


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    What is so shocking in this statement? He is saying fix your system first, get yourself to the top of the Test ladder, then of course India will want to play Pakistan. Right now, we will be a waste of their time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prisha View Post
    India’s humongous population and viewership cannot be beaten by pak any time sooner. We have enough of our own population who can fill our stadiums and can beat online viewership records so no problem for BCCI. Indians love watching cricket and one flame buoyant star like kohli is enough to raise interest in teens and children. India can self sustain herself even if every country refuses to play with her. So it will be long time before India will ask PCB for any favors.
    So India can self sustain itself through playing domestic matches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanRyan10 View Post
    Kab tak India,Indian government,BCCI ka rona rote rahoge?

    Even Afghanistan refused to play with you in 2017

    Now what does this tell you?

    Just accept the truth that your nation is getting isolated internationally and thus you are facing the boycott in different fields which also includes cricket
    Look like you are living under rock or may be so called unbiased indian media did not show the pakistan cricket progress .First of all if you want to know the value of current afghan government then look at the USA talks with taliban.Usa did not bother to invite them which is supposedly biggest decision for afghanistan future.

    If a minnow team like afghanistan with zero achievement in cricket did not come to pakistan due to political reason it don,t effect a little we have hosted a World 11 tour to pakistan which have 3 current international captain+world champion in westindies and sl which is far more good than a ehsan faramosh.
    Now abd is also coming to pakistan which is huge for revival of cricket.too much isolation in cricket for us.

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    The damage has been done at the board level by Nazam Sethi so nothing will work be it the change in Govt. or the performance of the PAK team. BCCI wont play them any soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?
    When you choose to filter these to your liking all other things matter.

    If the discussion is between IND V PAK then you would look at the Head to Head but because there is no win in it for some posters they apply filters to make their point look better.

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    @JaDed

    Pakistan boosted their Head to Head record when they had a superior team, however whenever Indian team was superior we did not get to play enough bilaterals to improve our head to head because of cross border terrorism influencing the relationship.

    If someone can do a deep analysis of Indian Vs Pakistan ranking since 1952 and cross reference it to result of India Vs Pakistan matches it will show that most of the times India was the better team they didn't play enough bilaterals.
    @jeetu @Buffet @Napa @cricketjoshila @Tusker can any of you post the statistics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilal3021 View Post
    When you choose to filter these to your liking all other things matter.

    If the discussion is between IND V PAK then you would look at the Head to Head but because there is no win in it for some posters they apply filters to make their point look better.
    Head to head in last 10 years is also worth looking at that which team won more. Had there been matches on a regular basis after 2008 then even this head to head stats would have gone against PAK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    So India can self sustain itself through playing domestic matches?
    Depends really IPL is going good right now, will see how after next 20 years taste of that generation is. If they like franchise T20s more than tests and LOI's then IPL will become like NBA.. All depends on future generation.. It's simple economics currently the demand for "India" matches is as much if not more than IPL matches so we get lot of internationals..

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    On topic I like these comments from Wasim khan.. This is the right mentality to have for anyone to achieve success in life.. Let's see how he changes

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    Everyone who is thumping their chests over Pakistanís superior H2H record:

    The only reason we are still ahead is because since 2007, we have only had one bilateral series, the 2012/2013 one, where we caught India at the right time.

    England beat them in India in Tests and we beat them in ODIs. Their stalwarts were past their prime and they needed to make big changes.

    They did so following the 2-1 loss and went on to win the 2013 Champions Trophy, and have been consistently a top ODI team since.

    2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019. In all these years, India have been comfortably better than us and would have won every bilateral series, and there goes our H2H superiority.

    2004/2005 onwards, India has been on a different level. They have consistently managed a top 3 ranking while we have mostly languished at 5th, 6th or 7th.

    In Tests, they have held the number one ranking for a long time in this millennium while we have only been there for a few weeks, thanks to a washout between India and West Indies.

    Anyone who still thinks that Pakistan is ahead of India as a cricket nation is extremely delusional and blinded by patriotism.

    Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust in all formats. The whole world recognizes that they are a much better team, and no one gives two hoots about the fake H2H superiority because everyone is aware of the fact that it does not represent the respective strengths of the two teams today.

    Besides, the only H2H that matters is the World Cup streak. Their 100% dominance and our subsequent zero wins still stand out. It is nothing but pure embarrassment for us.

    Every Pakistani fan would happily swap places with India. What is better?

    Mediocrity for 15 years with no bright future in sight, getting smashed in every World Cup by India and not being good enough to be ranked in the top 3 in Tests and ODIs

    Or

    Being one of the elite top teams for the best part of this millennium with a very bright future, smashing Pakistan in World Cups and a definite top 3 team for years to come.

    Pakistan has been reduced to a mid-table team while India is one of the big boys now.

    All this talk of Pakistan turning a tide after the Champions Trophy Final win has turned out to be hogwash.

    This so-called new, fearless PSL age Pakistani players have played India 4 times since 2017 and have lost 3. This explains what the Champions Trophy Final was.

    Every Pakistani fan including myself want Pakistan to be better than India, but letís not kid ourselves. We are not better than them, we have not been better than them for 15-16 years and we will not be better than them in the future.

    The gap is too big for us to make ground. They have left Pakistan cricket behind and it is actually a reflection of Indiaís rise as a economic power.

    They have developed modern industries and are far ahead of Pakistan when it comes to education, technology and healthcare. They are also safer than Pakistan which has boosted tourism.

    All of this has rubbed on cricket as well. As a nation, India started to leapfrog Pakistan around the 90s and a decade later, it showed its effect in cricket as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So head to head matters more than WCs, CT, test series wins in Windies,Aus head to head in WCs?
    The reason they have a better head to head because during 80s and 90s we played a lot of matches esp in Sharjah and Pakistan was the better team in those days.

    When India was beating teams like Eng and WI at their homes and dominating teams in India in late 60s till mid 70s we didnot play Pakistan.

    Similarly when India is beating teams for fun in Asia now a days we dont play Pakistan.

    So head to head has little meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    @JaDed

    Pakistan boosted their Head to Head record when they had a superior team, however whenever Indian team was superior we did not get to play enough bilaterals to improve our head to head because of cross border terrorism influencing the relationship.

    If someone can do a deep analysis of Indian Vs Pakistan ranking since 1952 and cross reference it to result of India Vs Pakistan matches it will show that most of the times India was the better team they didn't play enough bilaterals.
    @jeetu @Buffet @Napa @cricketjoshila @Tusker can any of you post the statistics?
    The Indian team was pretty strong from the mid-60s to the mid-70s, and it was ranked #1 for a 15 months starting April 1973. The top 4 teams during these years were Australia, England, India and West Indies. India had series victories in England and West Indies prior to getting the #1 ranking. Also during these years India and Pakistan played no Tests.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...id=6;type=team
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    So you are saying Windies,England and South Africa have always been better than Pakistan?
    Yes, but we are better than you and that is never going to change

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    The statement from Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) managing director Wasim Khan regarding the need to make India want to play Pakistan on the cricket pitch hasn’t gone down well with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI). The Indian board has once again made it clear that political tension between the two countries need to stop before bilateral ties resume.

    Speaking to Hindustan Times, a senior BCCI official said that it was important to understand that India won’t have any issue playing against Pakistan as soon as hostilities end and the political situation gets better.

    “Once the conditions are right, no one will have any problem in the resumption of cricketing ties but that day seems to be a little far off. PCB chairman Ehsan Mani is liked and is very different from his last two predecessors — Shaharyar Khan and Najam Sethi — who had a chip stitched on their shoulders for whatever reason. But even Mani is constrained by the facts and circumstances. It all boils down to the political relations between the two countries and the end of hostilities,” he cleared.

    Wasim speaking on India-Pakistan ties said: “We keep on asking them to play us but let’s create a situation where they ask us to play. I think we need to do that. It’s sad that we are not playing against them but life continues. We need to move forward and carry on. We can’t wait forever to play India. Our focus is to develop Pakistan cricket and get our team and players a lot of success at the international level.”

    Reacting to that, another BCCI official said that Wasim needed to re-think the position of PCB before talking about bilateral ties.

    “This Wasim Khan chap needs to understand that they should focus on their own stability first. As their own PM put it, there are small men occupying big positions in Pakistan and such statements emanate from such a syndrome,” he smiled.

    The Indian board has time and again said that cricketing relations with the arch-rivals depend on the approval of the Indian government and they have no say in the matter. In fact, the International Cricket Council (ICC) recently dismissed a complaint filed by PCB questioning the BCCI’s refusal to play bilateral series against them between 2015 and 2023 despite signing a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU).

    As per claims by the Pakistan board, then BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel had signed the ‘MoU’ between BCCI and PCB wherein the Indian and Pakistan cricket board had entered into an agreement that the two countries would play six series comprising at least two Tests, five ODIs and two T20Is between December 2015 and December 2023 with four of them being hosted by the PCB. The move never went forward as the BCCI cited lack of approval from the Indian government.

    The PCB had claimed losses of up to USD 70 million after two series weren’t played in November 2014 and December 2015. While the PCB tried to move the ball through talks, the BCCI made it clear that the government had the final say in this matter. PCB then sent a dispute notice to the Indian board in May and to the ICC in November.

    Herbert Smith Freehills along with British lawyer QC Ian Mills fought India’s case while PCB was represented by Khwaja Ahmad Hosain, Advocate Supreme Court of Pakistan, Alexandros Panayides of Clifford Chance, London and Salman Nasser, PCB GM Legal Affairs. The ICC Disputes Panel was made up of three members — Michael Beloff QC, Jan Paulsson and Dr Annabelle Bennett.

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket...N08guEWAK.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Yes, but we were better than you for a certain period of time and that is never going to change
    Corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Corrected.
    No, over the history of the 2 countries we are better than you, and as we dont play each other very often, that will never change

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    The best possible answer.

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    We need to get to a point where they will call us foolish for making all this statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Bohra View Post
    We need to get to a point where they will call us foolish for making all this statement
    did you watch the presser? of course you didnt.

    What did he say? he said that we should get the Pakistan team into such a position that india would want to play us. Right now they didnt need to play us. get Pakistan into the top echelons and the world will clamour for the series. it will be massive. imagine if we get into the top three and you are still one or two? It would become a massive series. That is what he is saying. make it an offer that cannot be refused. Ab samaj ayi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Everyone who is thumping their chests over Pakistanís superior H2H record:

    The only reason we are still ahead is because since 2007, we have only had one bilateral series, the 2012/2013 one, where we caught India at the right time.

    England beat them in India in Tests and we beat them in ODIs. Their stalwarts were past their prime and they needed to make big changes.

    They did so following the 2-1 loss and went on to win the 2013 Champions Trophy, and have been consistently a top ODI team since.

    2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019. In all these years, India have been comfortably better than us and would have won every bilateral series, and there goes our H2H superiority.

    2004/2005 onwards, India has been on a different level. They have consistently managed a top 3 ranking while we have mostly languished at 5th, 6th or 7th.

    In Tests, they have held the number one ranking for a long time in this millennium while we have only been there for a few weeks, thanks to a washout between India and West Indies.

    Anyone who still thinks that Pakistan is ahead of India as a cricket nation is extremely delusional and blinded by patriotism.

    Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust in all formats. The whole world recognizes that they are a much better team, and no one gives two hoots about the fake H2H superiority because everyone is aware of the fact that it does not represent the respective strengths of the two teams today.

    Besides, the only H2H that matters is the World Cup streak. Their 100% dominance and our subsequent zero wins still stand out. It is nothing but pure embarrassment for us.

    Every Pakistani fan would happily swap places with India. What is better?

    Mediocrity for 15 years with no bright future in sight, getting smashed in every World Cup by India and not being good enough to be ranked in the top 3 in Tests and ODIs

    Or

    Being one of the elite top teams for the best part of this millennium with a very bright future, smashing Pakistan in World Cups and a definite top 3 team for years to come.

    Pakistan has been reduced to a mid-table team while India is one of the big boys now.

    All this talk of Pakistan turning a tide after the Champions Trophy Final win has turned out to be hogwash.

    This so-called new, fearless PSL age Pakistani players have played India 4 times since 2017 and have lost 3. This explains what the Champions Trophy Final was.

    Every Pakistani fan including myself want Pakistan to be better than India, but letís not kid ourselves. We are not better than them, we have not been better than them for 15-16 years and we will not be better than them in the future.

    The gap is too big for us to make ground. They have left Pakistan cricket behind and it is actually a reflection of Indiaís rise as a economic power.

    They have developed modern industries and are far ahead of Pakistan when it comes to education, technology and healthcare. They are also safer than Pakistan which has boosted tourism.

    All of this has rubbed on cricket as well. As a nation, India started to leapfrog Pakistan around the 90s and a decade later, it showed its effect in cricket as well.
    This post of SIR @Mamoon sums up the whole debate itself...Any sensible person will understand it. There is no shame in accepting the reality. India were not good enough against Pak in 90's but now for the last 15 years its just the other way around. The rankings, the performance against the elite teams in their own backyard or at home vindicates it all. Every other cricketing nation wants to play India and broadcasters too are ready to give it their all to get the rights of INDIAN CRICKET. Even the broadcasters of other board's cricket match give them a healthy deal coz it involves series with Indian Cricket team. PCB knows it well as they are getting 60% less amount in contract coz their team isnt playing INDIA. So its a no brainer to know that how valuable INDIAN CRICKET TEAM is. Even PCB knows it but not some delusional fans and blind patriotics. I recommend a full fleged class for them in real on this topic by our own the ony and only and none other than the great SIR @Mamoon.


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