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    Steve Waugh vs Jacques Kallis Test batting

    Who is the better test batsman and why?

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    Steve Waugh was a typical Aussie, extremely tough and gritty. Kallis was a typical Saffer much like Amla, if you know what I mean. Not comparing Kallis with Amla though, Kallis was miles better.


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    Steve Waugh , as pure batsman was ahead of Kallis.

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    Jacques Kallis was exceptional player. A vital cog in the team. A better bowler than Waugh and arguably better batsmen as well.

    Waugh batted at 5 most of his career ended up averaging 50, kallis averages 55 though batting mostly at 3 or 4 later on. An argument can be made as former played most of his career in 90s, relatively more tougher era for batting. He was also a better captain and would step more often when mattered.

    Tough call overall. Go with Kallis if you want to solve fifth bowling option or Waugh if you want a great captain but have a solid no. 3 or 4.

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    Kallis is a better batsman and bowler.. Waugh was of course a top notch captain but as a cricketer kallis is better than Waugh

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    Kallis, and it's not even a comparison, say what you want about his limited over performances but as a test batter he was a level above Steve.

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    the thing that stood out about steve waugh was he usually scored big when aus were in trouble, and the fact that his record against england, which aussies pbly care most about is insanely good in the context of that rivalry.

    kallis was a supreme batsmen, but he was the best in his line up. steve waugh was never the best batsmen in the aussie line up, he just invariably scored when aus needed runs.

    of his top 5 scores in three innings he came in at 70/3 went on to score 200, 35/3 went on to score 199 and 90/3 scored 170.

    the innings that sticks most in my mind tho was his 150 odd against pakistan in pindi in 99, cos i watched that, he came in at 30/3 and didnt give pak a single chance.

    his record in world cups is also crazy good. kallis was the better technical crickter, but waugh was the tougher competitor and his record as a captain tips it in waugh's favour in my very subjective opinion.

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    Kallis the better bat to watch but Steve Waugh is miles ahead as a cricketer, so clutch that he didnít need vast amount of talent.

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    As an all-rounder, I will take Jacques Kallis in a heart beat. All-rounders don't grow on trees and Kallis was top notch. This discussion though is in terms of batting alone. Steven Waugh was a brilliant bat for Australia. Whenever Australia were in trouble, it was a given that Waugh will be there to pull them out of the hole. So purely as a batter, Steve Waugh was one notch above. He had the grittiness, the mental toughness, the ability to grind and get his team out of any situation in any format he played in. The 1999 WC was solely Waugh's. The amazing 120 no against SA in the must win game and the 50 odd in the semis when Australia were struggling are gems.

    The innings against West Indies in 1995 in Australia's series win was another brilliant one. West Indies were a tough team to beat then, they hadn't lost a series for a long time. So Waugh for me purely as a batter.

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    Kallis was the better batsmen.

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    Waugh. Always clutch. The most marvellous shot-player in his youth, but more attritional as he matured, like a right-handed AB.

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    Kallis without a doubt

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    Steve Waugh was better against England.

    Against every other country, and overall, Kallis was ahead.

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    Kallis easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Steve Waugh was a typical Aussie, extremely tough and gritty. Kallis was a typical Saffer much like Amla, if you know what I mean. Not comparing Kallis with Amla though, Kallis was miles better.
    I'm not sure what you mean?

    Kallis got a 5-fer in the final of the only ICC throphy we've won. He was the man of the match. In the semi-final, he got 113* at a SR of 113. He was also man of the match.

    Not every Saffa is a "choker".

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    I'm picking Waugh for the same reason why people pick Miandad over YK - clutch player, who did it against better bowlers and more difficult surfaces to bat on.


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    I would rate all of Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara and Younis Khan above Waugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean?

    Kallis got a 5-fer in the final of the only ICC throphy we've won. He was the man of the match. In the semi-final, he got 113* at a SR of 113. He was also man of the match.

    Not every Saffa is a "choker".
    The problem is that you are speaking of Champions Trophy, a tournament which has little to no significance. But most of all, I wasn't speaking of ODI cricket. Steve Waugh was a very mediocre ODI batsman. I was specifically speaking of Tests, although I forgot to mention it. Kallis wasn't some brilliant ODI player either. Despite his average, he scored at a slow rate.

    Both Waugh and Kallis are usually known specifically for their performance in Tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    The problem is that you are speaking of Champions Trophy, a tournament which has little to no significance. But most of all, I wasn't speaking of ODI cricket. Steve Waugh was a very mediocre ODI batsman. I was specifically speaking of Tests, although I forgot to mention it. Kallis wasn't some brilliant ODI player either. Despite his average, he scored at a slow rate.

    Both Waugh and Kallis are usually known specifically for their performance in Tests.
    I see. What do you mean with "typical Saffer" though? I thought you were refering to "choking". His ODI performance in tourmanent finals is an indication of his non-choking.

    I agree in some regards. Many have criticised Kallis for his selfish behaviour and batting only for his average, not the team's requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    I see. What do you mean with "typical Saffer" though? I thought you were refering to "choking". His ODI performance in tourmanent finals is an indication of his non-choking.
    Innings - 17; Runs - 339; Ave - 24.21; SR - 60.10; 100's - 0; 50's - 1


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    Waugh easily , Kallis rarely stepped up was known for scoring soft runs most part of his career . Waugh was exact opposite .


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    Steve Waugh...by a mile. One of the toughest competitors I've seen on a cricket field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Innings - 17; Runs - 339; Ave - 24.21; SR - 60.10; 100's - 0; 50's - 1
    So you did mean "choking". How do you explain his performance in the only ICC trophy we've won?

    I'm not sure what stats you're posting there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    So you did mean "choking". How do you explain his performance in the only ICC trophy we've won?

    I'm not sure what stats you're posting there.
    Those are his stats in tournament finals of ODI cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Those are his stats in tournament finals of ODI cricket.
    Yet, he's won two man of the match awards, in two concurent finals, in the only ICC tournament we've even won. One with the bat and one with the ball. He's clearly not a choker or "typical saffer". Your generalisation quite offensive. Those are his batting stats and not his "ODI performance". Even though this thread is about test batting, you were specifically referring to his character calling him a "typical saffer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Yet, he's won two man of the match awards, in two concurent finals, in the only ICC tournament we've even won. One with the bat and one with the ball. He's clearly not a choker or "typical saffer". Your generalisation quite offensive. Those are his batting stats and not his "ODI performance". Even though this thread is about test batting, you were specifically referring to his character calling him a "typical saffer".
    This was your post -

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    I see. What do you mean with "typical Saffer" though? I thought you were refering to "choking". His ODI performance in tourmanent finals is an indication of his non-choking.

    I agree in some regards. Many have criticised Kallis for his selfish behaviour and batting only for his average, not the team's requirements.
    I posted his overall stats in tournament finals which is downright pathetic. If you want to look for a couple of good knocks among them, go ahead. But people care for overall performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    This was your post -



    I posted his overall stats in tournament finals which is downright pathetic. If you want to look for a couple of good knocks among them, go ahead. But people care for overall performance.
    Those are not his overall stats or "ODI performance" stats. Those are his batting stats, which is irrelevant seeing as how you were referring to his character.


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