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    Will Khalistan ever get its independence?

    This is a genuine question is the movement on the rise again or not is their a possibility they will became a nation will our Sikh brothers ever get their own nation I for one will welcome Khalistan with open arms

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    Local Sikhs do not want it as much as people of Occupied Kashmir otherwise you would have Indian army committing rape and murder at a mass scale in Indian Punjab as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Local Sikhs do not want it as much as people of Occupied Kashmir otherwise you would have Indian army committing rape and murder at a mass scale in Indian Punjab as well
    I can be wrong but it seems like it's more Sikhs abroad that are pushing for the movement

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    But the supporters of Khalistan want Lahore as well. So i don't how to think about this.

    "Take Lahore Qalandars instead"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    I can be wrong but it seems like it's more Sikhs abroad that are pushing for the movement
    Yeah mostly the ones in Canada are biggest proponent of it, the movement has essentially died down in India. However, with terrorist Hindu nationalist Modi at the helm anything can happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tahir View Post
    But the supporters of Khalistan want Lahore as well. So i don't how to think about this.

    "Take Lahore Qalandars instead"
    They can't have Lahore but if they get their country they will have our love support and friendship

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    They can't have Lahore but if they get their country they will have our love support and friendship
    Love over Land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    They can't have Lahore but if they get their country they will have our love support and friendship
    The Khalistan Movement has died down a lot so there's no point. Kashmiris want independence however

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tahir View Post
    The Khalistan Movement has died down a lot so there's no point. Kashmiris want independence however
    I was asking cuz I was carious in regards to Kashmir my opinion it should be its own country

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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    i was asking cuz i was carious in regards to kashmir my opinion it should be its own country
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    From what I see, Khalistan (or the voices demanding it) is in exact similar status as voices shouting for Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka. Basically a minority bunch of expatriates who are totally out of touch with ground reality. If any of you bother to take your "I'm anti on everything regarding India/America" lens and compare both situations as apples-apples, you will see the similarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang View Post
    From what I see, Khalistan (or the voices demanding it) is in exact similar status as voices shouting for Tamil Eelam in Sri Lanka. Basically a minority bunch of expatriates who are totally out of touch with ground reality. If any of you bother to take your "I'm anti on everything regarding India/America" lens and compare both situations as apples-apples, you will see the similarity.
    Their was genocide in Sri Lanka Agaisnt the Tamil people I don't think it's a minority that wants jnpendence I would think it's a good amount of people that would want the independence of Tamil Eelam

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    it will start again if modi govt stop the kartarpur corridor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    Their was genocide in Sri Lanka Agaisnt the Tamil people I don't think it's a minority that wants jnpendence I would think it's a good amount of people that would want the independence of Tamil Eelam
    Yup, you are correct. I was alluding to the fact that if anything even Tamil Eelam has a stronger case compared to Khalistan at this point of time.

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    Cant wait for it honestly, Brampton is amazingly well populated by Sikhs and has all the proponents for it, good educated Sikhs and the gangsta ones as well, ideally I would prefer it in UK, as that is where they took out the currency after the everyday drink but looks like.that boat has passed, hopefully Bradford along with Southall can hopefully someday declare independence.

    The first act of Khalistan in book would be bombing of AI flight ,the freedom fighters killed cruel Canadians and Indians for.their struggle in Brampton.

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    Yes it will but they can forget about Lahore that is 100% Muslim now. Khalistan can only be formed where Sikh's are the majority that is in Indian Punjab.


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    Naa. It had died down. I know a couple of sikh homies myself who collected money for the "cause" from a few older sikh gentlemen and had a good time in Vegas for a week.

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    its dead in india it seems

    but its alive and well in North america though. I have a few facebook friends who share sth or the other everyday and by their posts you would think sikhs are under siege in india

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    Lets be honest, Sikhs are a very prosperous community in India and have a huge representation in the Indian Armed Forces.

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    I致e heard the percentage of Sikhs in Indian Punjab gets lower every year due to a mixture of female infanticide, low fertility and immigration outwards. So really the chance of it happening gradually gets lower over time.

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    Not going to happen, could have been separated in 80s but not going to happen now & in near future.

    Actually india handle the situation very well after that genocide blunder. They used the punjabi nature of Sikhs by overhyping them as they knew that, when hyped Punjabis used to be most devoted peoples. Their media i-e bollywood, TV, drama and etc started to add more pubjabi culture unnecessarily, just to show the sikh community that how much rest of india love them. Unlike Pakistan where the media hardly show the culture & traditions of isolated Baluchistan.

    India also knows that any separation will led to 10 ther separations (same the case in Pakistan too).

    International powers also don't want India to break in many small countries as it is convenient do their business transactions on one window.

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    Khalistan would be a nightmare for Pakistan. Many of the Sikh holy sites are in pakistan. Who's to say they wont demand those as well??

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    Sikhs had their chance but they were too busy killing migrating Muslims. Now they will have to live as minority forever.

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    Why would a community demand for a separate country if they are doing very well under the current state of India?

    I have seen many Sikhs marrying Hindu girls. I wonder how that would workout when they demand for a separate country.

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    There can be no Khalistan unless the rest of India is broken in to pieces.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Why would a community demand for a separate country if they are doing very well under the current state of India?

    I have seen many Sikhs marrying Hindu girls. I wonder how that would workout when they demand for a separate country.
    This was always an expat movement and their money fuelled the movement in India. Those expats are now 70+ with cash in retirement accounts. The young sikhs are westernized and don't care about Khalistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    This was always an expat movement and their money fuelled the movement in India. Those expats are now 70+ with cash in retirement accounts. The young sikhs are westernized and don't care about Khalistan.
    Yep, true this from what I also observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaid_ahmed View Post
    Not going to happen, could have been separated in 80s but not going to happen now & in near future.

    Actually india handle the situation very well after that genocide blunder. They used the punjabi nature of Sikhs by overhyping them as they knew that, when hyped Punjabis used to be most devoted peoples. Their media i-e bollywood, TV, drama and etc started to add more pubjabi culture unnecessarily, just to show the sikh community that how much rest of india love them. Unlike Pakistan where the media hardly show the culture & traditions of isolated Baluchistan.

    India also knows that any separation will led to 10 ther separations (same the case in Pakistan too).

    International powers also don't want India to break in many small countries as it is convenient do their business transactions on one window.
    You know, first I laughed at your post as I thought it was funny. The more I think about it, You seem to make a lot of sense

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    As Pakistani, I don;t want any trouble at our eastern border and won;t support or wish Khalistan movement to be active again, I think its dead and buried now.

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    It is said in Urdu "Sikh karnay kay baad sochta hai kya karna chahiye thaa"

    If sikhs wanted Khalistan, then they should have made this demand to the British in 1947. But no they decided to cast their lot with the treacherous hindus, and were busy slaughtering innocent muslims in 1947.

    They have missed the train now and will never get Khalistan. Right now sikhs are barely around 60% of Punjab's population but i once read on a sikh forum that they are on the way to becoming a minority in Punjab as well in another 2 decades because of outward migration of sikhs, and also hindus and muslims from other states of India moving to Punjab in large numbers
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    The Khalistan movement died down as the resident sikhs of Indian Punjab could not buy into the agenda. As a community sikhs are among the wealthiest and most respected in India.

    You have to give a lot of credit to their overall attitude towards life. It is quite amazing and progressive.

    The 1984 riots remain an incident that hurts sikhs deep in their heart but not enough to demand independence as apart from being a very proud and brave community they are very wise as well. They realize that they have with their hardwork achieved positions of leadership and great power all over India. Instead of giving all that up for a small land, they are fully of enforcing social and political reforms in India and thats what they have been doing.

    Sikhs lead the way. They do not give up and run away.

    Sikhs realize that all of India belongs to them.

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    No chances of this happening, even Punjab has Sikhs only 50-60% of the ppopulation and going downwards. They'll forever be a minority now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adijazz1706 View Post
    No chances of this happening, even Punjab has Sikhs only 50-60% of the ppopulation and going downwards. They'll forever be a minority now
    From my experiences, most sikhs hardly care about that. They are a very inclusive community. In Punjab also its not that they will bully people if in any part of it they are in overwhelming majority. Sikhs are very supportivr and protective of communities.

    We should all learn from them.

    Also Parasi community is quite phenomenal. They are few but wherever they are in India they are doing great and holding great positions.

    For some reasons its just the hindus and muslims who don't get along. We will have to understand why and correct that.

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    No. Sikhs are very loyal, well off and hold important power positions. All the noise comes from outside. Besides they are largely spread out in the country, and they totally gel with locals.

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    Pro-Khalistan leader's murder in Pak: Harmeet Singh killed by lover痴 relatives

    he mystery over murder of Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF) leader, Harmeet Singh alias Happy has become murkier as intelligence sources now state that Happy was murdered over an alleged illicit affair with a married Muslim woman from Pakistan.

    According to sources, Harmeet Singh was having an affair with a Pakistani woman from some time and did not pay heed to warnings from the family members of his paramour after their relation became an 'open secret'.

    A scuffle had also broken out between the deceased and family members of his lover three weeks prior to the murder. Harmeet was warned against meeting the woman again. However, owing to the reluctance of the two to step back from the alleged affair, the woman's family member attacked him on the night of January 27, when Harpeet was killed.

    "Earlier it was believed that Happy was killed in a gang war over drug money. He might have been killed over an illicit affair. The woman was a close relative of a Pakistani drug lord. He used to visit the family regularly and later developed intimate relations with the woman. Woman's family knew about their affair and had asked him to maintain a distance from the woman" a reliable source told India Today.

    Happy was shot dead on Monday evening outside Dera Chahal Gurudwara on the outskirts of Lahore by unidentified persons. Sources privy to the information said the attackers were the family members of Happy's lover.

    Interestingly, the Lahore Police did not register a formal FIR and discreetly cremated Harmeet Singh on Wednesday evening at Babu Sabu Chowk cremation ground in the presence of a senior police officer. Some local Gurudwara representatives were also present during the cremation.

    Happy's parents including father Avtar Singh and mother Khushbir Kaur-who live in Chheharta area of Amritsar, had demanded for his body to perform the last rites but the Pakistan authorities remained silent.

    Happy had also adopted a pseudo name, 'Bhupinder Singh' to fake his real identity.

    Investigations have also revealed that Happy was close to his ISI bosses and was present with Pakistani officials during the inauguration of the Kartarpur corridor in November 2019.

    Happy alias PHD was wanted in 17 criminal cases including smuggling of drugs,arms, terror funding, and conspiring against India. All these cases were registered in Punjab. His name stood among top 15 most wanted Khalistani terrorists according to a dossier submitted by the Indian authorities to the Pakistan.

    Happy was the mastermind behind the targeted killings of Hindu right wing and RSS leaders including Jagdish Kumar Gagneja, the then Vice President of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh for Punjab in 2016-2017. Interpol had also issued a Red Corner notice against happy in 2018.

    Senior Punjab Police officials said that Happy was also running a terror funding network besides smuggling racket through a Dubai best smuggler Jasmeet Singh Hakeemzada, who has been named as the kingpin of the most significant narcotic trafficking networks in the world by the US department of Treasury.

    He had also hatched a plan to kill jailed Dera Saccha Sauda Chief Gurmeet Ram Rahim in 2008.

    Harmeet Singh alias Happy PHD was one of the most educated Khalistani terrorist who once worked as a Junior Research Fellow in religious studies at Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar in 2008. He was pursuing PhD course from this university and was also getting a stipend of Rs 12000 every month.

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    I was in UK a month ago and the taxi driver was a sikh. We started discussing about the curfew in Kashmir and he said that India will never agree to let Kashmiris decide their own fate, otherwise whole of India will become ォtukdhe tukdheサ. So basically it is Kashmir which is holding India together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    I was in UK a month ago and the taxi driver was a sikh. We started discussing about the curfew in Kashmir and he said that India will never agree to let Kashmiris decide their own fate, otherwise whole of India will become ォtukdhe tukdheサ. So basically it is Kashmir which is holding India together.
    Even if kashmir gets independence India will loss only 15% of whole JK(including ladakh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornbill View Post
    Even if kashmir gets independence India will loss only 15% of whole JK(including ladakh)
    But it will trigger similar movements in other places where people may feel aggrieved with the central government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    I was in UK a month ago and the taxi driver was a sikh. We started discussing about the curfew in Kashmir and he said that India will never agree to let Kashmiris decide their own fate, otherwise whole of India will become ォtukdhe tukdheサ. So basically it is Kashmir which is holding India together.
    It is india which needs azadi from kashmir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    It is india which needs azadi from kashmir.
    Please take whole of India, for free, just leave Kashmir alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nextover666666 View Post
    I can be wrong but it seems like it's more Sikhs abroad that are pushing for the movement
    I have been watching some of the India-NZ games and the U19 games. Sikhs in the crowd always cheer for India enthusiastically. Also, I looked at some Benson and Hedges WC games from 1985 (the height of the Khalistan movement), and there too Sikhs in Australia were cheering for India.

    I don't think anti-India feeling is widespread in expat Sikhs. I know for certain it is not common in Sikhs in India, I have a whole bunch of very close Sikh friends from my Delhi days.

    So the answer to your question is no, the Sikhs will never break away from India to form Khalistan.

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    India is ripe for carving thanks to RSS/Hinutva/Modi

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    Neither Khalistan nor J&K will gain independence. We have lived in delusion for 73 years and it is time to for us finally wake up and leave Khalistan and Kashmir to fend for themselves.

    After 73 years of failure, it is time to reassess our foreign policy. Kartarpur is our meek attempt to boost the Khalistan movement but like all our attempts in the last 73 years to liberate Kashmir, it will fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I have been watching some of the India-NZ games and the U19 games. Sikhs in the crowd always cheer for India enthusiastically. Also, I looked at some Benson and Hedges WC games from 1985 (the height of the Khalistan movement), and there too Sikhs in Australia were cheering for India.

    I don't think anti-India feeling is widespread in expat Sikhs. I know for certain it is not common in Sikhs in India, I have a whole bunch of very close Sikh friends from my Delhi days.

    So the answer to your question is no, the Sikhs will never break away from India to form Khalistan.
    You need to meet Sikhs from Canada and California. They think Khalistan is imminent lol

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    Insha'allah

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric_man View Post
    But it will trigger similar movements in other places where people may feel aggrieved with the central government.
    Indians are too much interdependent despite being very diverse so people will think twice before taking any drastic step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    You need to meet Sikhs from Canada and California. They think Khalistan is imminent lol
    Possibly because those guys migrated decades ago, at the peak of the Khalistan movement.

    One of my closest friends from grad school is an Indian Sikh. Recollect a discussion with him on the Khalistanis - he had said that the younger generation seems to be well integrated with India. The older generation who lived through militancy had some reservations but they too had given up completely on the idea of Khalistan with many in plush government jobs. Seemed to think that the Sikhs in Canada were stuck in a time warp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Possibly because those guys migrated decades ago, at the peak of the Khalistan movement.

    One of my closest friends from grad school is an Indian Sikh. Recollect a discussion with him on the Khalistanis - he had said that the younger generation seems to be well integrated with India. The older generation who lived through militancy had some reservations but they too had given up completely on the idea of Khalistan with many in plush government jobs. Seemed to think that the Sikhs in Canada were stuck in a time warp.
    I know plenty of young sikhs late teens and early 20s that are pro-Khaalistan, even the ones that aren't pro-separatism still identify as Punjabi over Indian and usually try to distinguish themselves from other indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    I know plenty of young sikhs late teens and early 20s that are pro-Khaalistan, even the ones that aren't pro-separatism still identify as Punjabi over Indian and usually try to distinguish themselves from other indians.
    Indian Sikhs or the American/Canadian ones?

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    Indian Sikhs or the American/Canadian ones?
    Both. I know also of many fresh off the boat ones that identify as Punjabi first and still distrust the Indian government.

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    Yeah they are gearing up to fight for Khalistan. This must be a part of propagabda by Hindutva India.
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    Yeah I believe Khalistan will be formed. Mind you then 95% percent of human population would have settled in planet Mars by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    You need to meet Sikhs from Canada and California. They think Khalistan is imminent lol
    Quite possibly, there is a lot of empty land in California and Canada... so quite possibly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by liam26 View Post
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    Yeah they are gearing up to fight for Khalistan. This must be a part of propagabda by Hindutva India.
    Last photo is from WW2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    India is ripe for carving thanks to RSS/Hinutva/Modi
    It probably is, but not by the Sikhs. They seem to me to be fairly confused and tired bunch. I read some hardline Hindutva stuff that the Sikhs were created by the Hindus as their fighting arm, and will be reabsorded into Hinduism.

    Personally I feel even that is fantasy, I think India will eventually just become a brown country loosely based on western values and caste discrimination. If there is secession it will probably be south splitting from north into smaller states.


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    Recently been to Canada. Had the opportunity to visit Brampton. It is Khalistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    It probably is, but not by the Sikhs. They seem to me to be fairly confused and tired bunch. I read some hardline Hindutva stuff that the Sikhs were created by the Hindus as their fighting arm, and will be reabsorded into Hinduism.

    Personally I feel even that is fantasy, I think India will eventually just become a brown country loosely based on western values and caste discrimination. If there is secession it will probably be south splitting from north into smaller states.
    Every Desi living in UK must be confused, they probably think the same about Pakistani Brits.

    I can totally get where you are getting that from..

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    The Centre on Sunday blocked 40 websites linked to pro-Khalistan gourp Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) for ‘a campaign for registering supporters for its cause’.

    “Sikhs For Justice(SFJ), an unlawful organization under the UAPA, 1967, launched a campaign for registering supporters for its cause. On recommendations of MHA, MeitY, has issued orders under sec 69A of the I.T. Act, 2000, for blocking 40 websites of SFJ”, an home ministry order said.

    The Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology (MeitY) is the nodal authority for monitoring the cyber space in India.

    Last year, the home ministry had banned the SFJ for its alleged anti-national activities, according to news agency PTI.

    The SFJ pushed for Sikh Referendum 2020 as part of its separatist agenda. The US-based organisation had declared July 4 as the inaugural day for registration of referendum on Khalistan.

    Earlier this week, the Centre had declared nine Khalistani terrorists, including SFJ’s Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, who has been spearheading a campaign under the banner of “Referendum 2020” for a separate Khalistani state, as ‘individual terrorists’ under recently amended fourth schedule of UAPA (Unlawful Activities Prevention Amendment Act).

    Others designated as individual terrorists under UAPA are Babbar Khalsa International’s UK chief Paramijit Singh, Canada-based head of Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF) Hardeep Singh Nijjar, Germany-based members of Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF) Gurmeet Singh Bagga and Bhupinder Singh Bhinda, and Pakistan-based terrorists – head of BKI Wadhawa Singh, Lakhbir Singh (International Sikh Youth Federation), Ranjeet Singh (Khalistan Zindabad Force) and Paramjit Singh (Khalistan Commando Force).

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    khalistan would be in a very tenuous position as an independent nation, it would be completely dependent on Pakistan and bhutto bibi and aitzaz sold out the sikhs khalistanis once before, so i doubt they would want an independent country totally reliant on a pakisan they dont trust rather then to not have a country and have open access to the indian market.

    furthermore the splitting of himachal and haryana from historic eastern punjab means khalistan, even if it became a reality would fail to serve the purpose of cutting off kashmir from india. so even in that regard there seems little to gain for pakistan.

    theres lots of other minutiae which make khalistan untenable, but its not wroth going into given how far from reality the idea is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    khalistan would be in a very tenuous position as an independent nation, it would be completely dependent on Pakistan and bhutto bibi and aitzaz sold out the sikhs khalistanis once before, so i doubt they would want an independent country totally reliant on a pakisan they dont trust rather then to not have a country and have open access to the indian market.

    furthermore the splitting of himachal and haryana from historic eastern punjab means khalistan, even if it became a reality would fail to serve the purpose of cutting off kashmir from india. so even in that regard there seems little to gain for pakistan.

    theres lots of other minutiae which make khalistan untenable, but its not wroth going into given how far from reality the idea is.
    For this crime alone BB deserved to be banished. We could have dealt India a massive blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    For this crime alone BB deserved to be banished. We could have dealt India a massive blow.
    Given Punjab was historically submissive I'm sure it's ready to deal India a blow by being part of greater khalistan :/

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    Yeah.

    But will the Canadian and British governments allow that ?

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    With recent Sikh farmers' oppression going on in India, Khalistan movement is more important than ever.

    They say, never get between a man and his meal.

    With current oppressing laws against already suffering Indian farmer, the RSS powered BJP's government is digging its own grave.

    History is filled with foolish feudals who oppressed their farmers and paid the price with popular rebellions.

    They passed a law against Kashmiri Muslims, sent a million soldiers in the region, cut their internet and, of course, blamed everything on Pakistan.

    What will they do now? Start killing poor farmers? Send soldiers to Haryana's rice fields? Is ISI behind these farmers? Nation wants to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    With recent Sikh farmers' oppression going on in India, Khalistan movement is more important than ever.

    They say, never get between a man and his meal.

    With current oppressing laws against already suffering Indian farmer, the RSS powered BJP's government is digging its own grave.

    History is filled with foolish feudals who oppressed their farmers and paid the price with popular rebellions.

    They passed a law against Kashmiri Muslims, sent a million soldiers in the region, cut their internet and, of course, blamed everything on Pakistan.

    What will they do now? Start killing poor farmers? Send soldiers to Haryana's rice fields? Is ISI behind these farmers? Nation wants to know!
    Whats the issue with farmer bills? Also Haryana ? Have you met any Haryanvi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Whats the issue with farmer bills? Also Haryana ? Have you met any Haryanvi?
    The issue is simple: they're stealing food off farmers' plate.
    Definitely Haryana. And, as a matter of fact, I've met many Haryanvi, a family from Haryana lives in the next building to mine.

    Instead of recognising and trying to solve a real problem... it's sad that you are still questioning its legitimatcy.

    Who would have thought.. Hanuz Dilli Door Ast in plain 2020

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    I would not mind Pakistanis continue to have the wet dreams of independent Khalistan/J&K, and in the process ruining their own country.

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    I wish Khalistan, Kashmir, Balochistan could all get their independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    The issue is simple: they're stealing food off farmers' plate.
    Definitely Haryana. And, as a matter of fact, I've met many Haryanvi, a family from Haryana lives in the next building to mine.

    Instead of recognising and trying to solve a real problem... it's sad that you are still questioning its legitimatcy.

    Who would have thought.. Hanuz Dilli Door Ast in plain 2020
    I知 still confused what is the issue with farm bill?What point in the bill you think they are stealing food?

    I知 not questioning the right to protest , I知 questioning which point you think is the issue.

    Also as i have highlighted in the other thread, this has the demand of Sikhs .. the ability to sell anywhere- I quoted an article from 1981 Ny times already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRIC_FANtastic View Post
    I would not mind Pakistanis continue to have the wet dreams of independent Khalistan/J&K, and in the process ruining their own country.
    I don't know man... Seems like Pakistani media/public opinion/government is silent according to some!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I知 still confused what is the issue with farm bill?What point in the bill you think they are stealing food?

    I知 not questioning the right to protest , I知 questioning which point you think is the issue.

    Also as i have highlighted in the other thread, this has the demand of Sikhs .. the ability to sell anywhere- I quoted an article from 1981 Ny times already.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54233080

    Maybe this article can clear things up a bit.

    What I think doesn't matter. What 1/2 million very motivated and angry farmers who are surrounding Dilli as I write this message think, matters.

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    If it helps get our hindu rashtra, why not. But till we are not getting our hindu nation, others should wait for their independence from this sickular country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-54233080

    Maybe this article can clear things up a bit.

    What I think doesn't matter. What 1/2 million very motivated and angry farmers who are surrounding Dilli as I write this message think, matters.
    From an Anti-BJP page:

    https://thelogicalindian.com/news/fa...ch-100-cities/

    The Logical Indian Take

    Delay in producing the farmer suicide data and not paying much attention to the farmers crisis during the election campaigning certainly raises a question about the government痴 attitude to address agrarian distress. Farmers have been demanding MSP as per inflation and economic growth for the past five years. The government did increase the MSP in December last year and the central government just before the 2019 Lok Sabha polls came up with the PM Kisan Support Scheme. But experts say that mere increase in MSP is just a partial solution and market reforms can only solve the agrarian crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    From an Anti-BJP page:

    https://thelogicalindian.com/news/fa...ch-100-cities/

    The Logical Indian Take

    Delay in producing the farmer suicide data and not paying much attention to the farmers crisis during the election campaigning certainly raises a question about the government痴 attitude to address agrarian distress. Farmers have been demanding MSP as per inflation and economic growth for the past five years. The government did increase the MSP in December last year and the central government just before the 2019 Lok Sabha polls came up with the PM Kisan Support Scheme. But experts say that mere increase in MSP is just a partial solution and market reforms can only solve the agrarian crisis.
    Brutal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    This is not as much a protest against the farm bills, but protest against fascism which the govt represents. Which is why it has supporters from all sides, even those who demanded these reforms in the past. Look at the bigger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Brutal.
    This tweet is a year old. Explains why the old system wasn't working, except for middlemen and richer farmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Brutal.

    Exactly ! That is why market reforms are needed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    This is not as much a protest against the farm bills, but protest against fascism which the govt represents. Which is why it has supporters from all sides, even those who demanded these reforms in the past. Look at the bigger picture.
    I know the bigger picture, but of all the things BJP has done wrong the one thing which is somewhat in right direction if implemented well is getting most opposed is just awful to say.

    This only means one thing India would always have some sort of socialist- subsidy wanting citizens.

    I guess the core can take forever to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I know the bigger picture, but of all the things BJP has done wrong the one thing which is somewhat in right direction if implemented well is getting most opposed is just awful to say.

    This only means one thing India would always have some sort of socialist- subsidy wanting citizens.

    I guess the core can take forever to change.
    Don't think it will happen even in the next two decades. Everyone wants to have a pie of govt subsidy, even if undeserved. IT companies were given tax rebate to promote them, but even now they extend it citing "business pressure". Air India employees get free travel after retirement, and not just them, but their families. And Air India is a loss making company kept alive by taxpayer money, which is being spent on the free travel of its ex employees and their family. The rot is everywhere. Haramkhori has become our trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Don't think it will happen even in the next two decades. Everyone wants to have a pie of govt subsidy, even if undeserved. IT companies were given tax rebate to promote them, but even now they extend it citing "business pressure". Air India employees get free travel after retirement, and not just them, but their families. And Air India is a loss making company kept alive by taxpayer money, which is being spent on the free travel of its ex employees and their family. The rot is everywhere. Haramkhori has become our trait.
    Didnt know about IT companies, I guess the bias in me tells that atleast they create jobs, Air India there were rumors that their employees wanted to buy?

    https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...-for-air-india

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I know the bigger picture, but of all the things BJP has done wrong the one thing which is somewhat in right direction if implemented well is getting most opposed is just awful to say.

    This only means one thing India would always have some sort of socialist- subsidy wanting citizens.

    I guess the core can take forever to change.
    Also sometime this year or previous year, it was decided that the sanitation workers in chandigarh be given free gps enabled watches, so that their location can be monitored. The workers went on strike saying that the watch causes vomiting and irritation of skin, and demanded it to be removed. The municipalities have 100s of sanitation workers, but the cities are still unclean. The reason is they don't work and started protesting when their work was going to be monitored. Just one of those indian things.

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