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2nd March 2019, 19:14 #1
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[VIDEOS] Has Virat Kohli's decline started?
He has not looked like his imposing self since England series last year. He struggled in Australia tour, struggled in New Zealand. He has not scored an ODI hundred since January. Yes he batted well in the second T-20 but I don't care much about T-20s other than World T-20.
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2nd March 2019, 19:17 #2
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2nd March 2019, 19:20 #3
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2nd March 2019, 19:24 #4
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2nd March 2019, 19:30 #5
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2nd March 2019, 19:32 #6
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He got 44 today considering aussies score it's not bad. He is still getting runs just not centuries I wouldn't call it decline.
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2nd March 2019, 19:35 #7
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2nd March 2019, 19:49 #8
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At this point his greatness is undeniable, would be a bad look on his career if he once again fails in a World Cup
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2nd March 2019, 19:49 #9
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2nd March 2019, 19:51 #10
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I think 44(45) is a decent innings but yea he doesn't seem to be at his peak anymore.
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2nd March 2019, 20:02 #11
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4 more games and IPL to go to find his form. NOt out of form. He is taking lot of break these days. So no rhythm to his game. He will be back on his feet.
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2nd March 2019, 20:06 #12
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2nd March 2019, 20:06 #13
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He is not in form, but not out of form either. Hasn't scored below 40 in last 6 innings. That's world class for 80% of batsmen in ODIs
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2nd March 2019, 20:12 #14
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He is just taking it easy right now, spending time with his wife etc etc. He will be charged up for WC.
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2nd March 2019, 20:13 #15
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It's like he isn't scoring hat-tricks, he just scored one goal so he is out of form. Silly OP...
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2nd March 2019, 20:21 #16
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2nd March 2019, 20:29 #17
Yes.
His fluke purple patch is over. I would call for his retirement if WC wasn't this near.
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2nd March 2019, 20:32 #18
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2nd March 2019, 20:36 #19
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2nd March 2019, 20:57 #20
So he starts scoring a little less than he usually does and that's a decline? It's simply being out of form and form is temporary but class is permanent. Let him perform like this for more series and then decide; even scoring these 40 odd runs he can walk into any team in the world.
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2nd March 2019, 21:03 #21
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Lol no way.
He was timing his shots perfectly.
Just lack of time in the middle is the problem of him not scoring big.
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2nd March 2019, 21:11 #22
When Ricky Ponting was at his peak and scoring runs, centuries every game at no 3, everyone felt he would continue like this till the end of his career but the last 4-5 years saw him average around 39 which was a huge dip in form and standards.
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2nd March 2019, 21:26 #23
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2nd March 2019, 21:52 #24
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2nd March 2019, 21:59 #25
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He averages 134 in ODIs last year with a strike rate of 103 and 6 hundreds (3 fifties) from 14 innings.
His scores this year are 3, 104, 46, 45, 43, 60, 44.
A little subdued by his standards but how is that a decline?
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2nd March 2019, 22:00 #26
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2nd March 2019, 22:05 #27
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lol what a lame thread.
his decline will start when he starts getting a string of low scores.
sometimes indian fans are just too over the top.
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2nd March 2019, 22:22 #28
Maybe he could use a break, some time out of cricket before the tournament. With that being said I don't think he's out of form.
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2nd March 2019, 22:34 #29
I think Kohli scores higher in some ways for Ponting given that Ponting benefited massively from playing in a team full of ATG's, the team was never single handedly dependant on him for scoring runs. Once the ATG's left the Australian team from 2007 onwards, Ponting's form dipped massively because he could not carry the burden of being the main batsman in the team very well.
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2nd March 2019, 23:26 #30
Ponting was 33-34 in 2007, he was not in retirement age but he was not at his peak either. In his prime, he had lightning reflexes and was able to murder 150 kph short-pitched stuff. Once that aspect of his game was effected due to ageing reflexes, he was no longer the dominant batsman that he once was.
Kohli is more of a technician than Ponting and a superior all-round batsman. He will be very good till his late 30's like Tendulkar. This thread is very premature - people need to wait for 4-5 years before they start talking about his decline. He turned 30 only a few months ago. These are his peak years.
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2nd March 2019, 23:30 #31
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such is his quality and standard that a decent performance makes it seem like he is out of form.
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2nd March 2019, 23:37 #32
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Lol awful thread. 1 or 2 bad series doesn't mean a decline.
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2nd March 2019, 23:54 #33
He averaged 40+ in Australia and got a ton in the ODIs there. Got a good 40 here too. That's not out of form.
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2nd March 2019, 23:59 #34
He is done. Should retire for any hope of India in WC 19.
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3rd March 2019, 01:34 #35
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3rd March 2019, 01:37 #36
People expect a 100 from him every game.
That's how good a batsman VK is
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3rd March 2019, 01:49 #37
I wish Pakistani batsmen "declined" like this.
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3rd March 2019, 02:20 #38
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3rd March 2019, 02:37 #39
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3rd March 2019, 02:48 #40
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3rd March 2019, 02:50 #41
has set a very high standard , I think it will be tough for him to maintain that.
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3rd March 2019, 02:51 #42
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People are expecting him to score a hundred every game. What one needs to realize is India has been winning without their top 3 firing. The much maligned Dhoni and Indian middle order is stepping up. These are good signs for India.
I don't think this is start of his decline. But I think he has a chink in his armor. It's leg spin bowling. He got out to Adil Rashid a few times and now to Zampa.
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3rd March 2019, 03:01 #43
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3rd March 2019, 03:03 #44
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The best of Kohli is still to come. He is just having a lean period. Even I have that sometimes
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3rd March 2019, 03:08 #45
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3rd March 2019, 03:50 #46
But you have to take into account the volume of cricket Kohli is playing, I was watching a recent interview of his where he mentioned that he is now having problems coping with the demands of playing all format, all year around inspite of his super fitness regime. These factors can make people age much faster than usual
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3rd March 2019, 03:50 #47
The top three not scoring all the runs has given the middle order a chance. For India to do well they need a strong middle order and Jadhav is performing.
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3rd March 2019, 04:29 #48
Declining? He’s 30 years old currently. In the modern game I’d say he is in the peak phases of his career.
Wait till the World cup, he will be one of the stand out players.
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3rd March 2019, 06:43 #49
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3rd March 2019, 08:20 #50
Top 3 are not scoring bulk runs which is good and what all of us wanted till a series back ... Relax he is not out of form
Good to see dhoni n kedar step up
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3rd March 2019, 08:45 #51
Yep its now Babar's time.
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3rd March 2019, 08:57 #52
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3rd March 2019, 09:03 #53
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3rd March 2019, 09:13 #54
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If Babar had scored 104, 46, 45 ,43, 60, 44 in his last 6 odi innings that too in Australia and New Zealand, he'd have been labelled as some world beater here on PP. And here Kohli is getting criticized for getting those scores .
Speaks a lot of the gulf in class and quality.
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3rd March 2019, 10:50 #55
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Just give him to us so we can end Shezzy's career once and for all!
On the other hand, dude, his workload has been all wonky for the past 5 months. He's missed twelve matches in the last 5-6 months I think. He has been trying to manage his workload and therefore has sacrificed a lot of Int. matches over the course of the past few months but is planning on playing all IPL and at the same time telling Ind team to not get "bad habits" (pointless point, imo). His lack of proper ODI game time has been troubling him and this is something Ind management has greatly overlooked with WC coming, but on the whole he's fine, and even if it was a fluke purple patch, was a damn long one...
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3rd March 2019, 11:06 #56
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3rd March 2019, 11:07 #57
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India has been peaking early. They will collapse in the world cup.
Virat Kohli isn't peaking in Jamodis. It's the beginning of his decline.
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3rd March 2019, 16:14 #58
He was never a class player, just had a golden run for some 10 years and it may just continue for another 6-7 years. After that you might see how bad he actually is. Overrated.
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3rd March 2019, 17:29 #59
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3rd March 2019, 18:21 #60
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3rd March 2019, 18:32 #61
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I think carrying the Indian batting line up in South Africa and England has taken a huge toll on him.
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3rd March 2019, 19:16 #62
The World Cup will tell us more. As of now, he's the best batsman in the world, alongside Kane.
Also, no player declines around 30 years of age. They can go through lean periods, sure, but the decline associated with aging generally happens when a player hits his mid-30s.
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3rd March 2019, 20:57 #63
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Most players wish they can score runs Kohli puts up in his "decline".
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3rd March 2019, 20:59 #64
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I did notice that the got slightly more chubbier. In his face cheeks area and lower waist area you could see he's been enjoying some nice meals lately.
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3rd March 2019, 23:53 #65
Do you mean that he's now going to Nagpur after Hyderabad which is at a lower elevation, then yes his decline has started.
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4th March 2019, 14:43 #66
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I am quite okay with his rough patch being scores of 40s, 70s in which he's charging and pulling Cummins for 4s and 6s.
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4th March 2019, 14:47 #67
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4th March 2019, 15:16 #68
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5th March 2019, 15:29 #69
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ODI century number 40
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5th March 2019, 15:29 #70
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I'd lack this lean patch to continue.
40th ODI hundred.
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5th March 2019, 15:30 #71
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Kohli's decline continues
Another poor match lol. scoring only a 100 while pushing his career average above 60
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5th March 2019, 15:35 #72
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Just came to PP to check if this thread was bumped
Good.
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5th March 2019, 15:38 #73
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Theres a reason why a world class batsman like babar azam would say that he idolises Kohli
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5th March 2019, 15:45 #74
Kohli is the greatest batsman of his generation and will end up as the greatest ODI batsman of all time. Bigger match winner than The record chasing Sachin ever was!
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5th March 2019, 15:59 #75
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5th March 2019, 16:06 #76
A flame burns brightest just before it goes out.
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5th March 2019, 16:17 #77
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Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman ever.
Sachin fans need to go away.
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5th March 2019, 17:13 #78
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Kohli in his “decline” is still better than all of our batsmen in peak form.
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5th March 2019, 17:35 #79
I believe there are certain segments of the Indian fanbase that are so invested in Sachin's career that they simply can't accept the possibility that there may ever be a better batsman than him especially so quickly after his retirement, even though they are blessed beyond belief that the heir to his throne still plays for India.
They latch onto every shortcoming, nit-pick minute details and hold Kohli to an even higher standard than their idol because after all "Kohli is blessed with a great support-cast, while Sachin played with Chunnu, Munnu, Pappu and Rasheed." Therefore, Kohli is expected to score a century every time he comes out to bat, and if he does and India lose the game, then the pitchforks will be out for Kohli's captaincy even though statistically everyone knows he will end up as one of the top 3 captains in Indian cricket history once he hangs up his boots, while Sachin as captain..well, less said about that, the better.
It's almost like rival fans value and respect Kohli more, similarly with Dhoni, because we've all experienced first-hand the pain that these two have inflicted on us over the years. They have been so impeccable that the pain has now turned into a begrudging respect and for some pure fandom.
I stayed well clear of this thread but it was great to see level-heads prevailing. If anybody is still doubting whether he's in a decline or not, check this :
Today marked Kohli's 10th century in 25 innings. Let that sink in.
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5th March 2019, 17:44 #80
To add to this rant, people want to see some change at the top so bad that they big up performances of Root and Williamson. Recently, there was an influx of posts which suggested that Root is closing the gap on Kohli - the ODI batsman.
Root has 14 hundreds in his entire ODI career. Williamson has 11. Kohli has 10 in his last 25 innings.
The argument that Kohli plays on flatter decks also doesn't apply here as Root plays on the FLATTEST decks in the world while Williamson plays most of his cricket in bite-sized grounds.
Imagine thinking anyone is closing the gap in ODIs..