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    [PICTURES] Virat Kohli & his team wearing army caps during 3rd ODI vs Australia - OTT or acceptable?

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    And we had Moin Ali banned for



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    Stupid stuff as usual from the Indian cricketers. Keep politics and sports separate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    And we had Moin Ali banned for

    Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

    (1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

    Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

    (2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

    It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

    (1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

    Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

    (2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

    It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.
    Lol Palestine is not a religious cause. Shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Stick to getting sadistic pleasure each time Pakistan loses

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    Quote Originally Posted by asadee View Post
    Lol Palestine is not a religious cause. Shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Stick to getting sadistic pleasure each time Pakistan loses
    It is a religious cause. No point in kidding yourself.

    Calling it a "humanitarian" cause means nothing. If that is so, why doesn't Moeen or other Muslims show solidarity for the oppression against non-Muslims?

    This bogus humanitarian card means nothing. Unfortunately for most people, humanity starts and ends based on their religious orientation, and that is why most Muslims do not give two hoots about non-Muslim oppression, and most non-Muslims do not give two hoots about Muslim oppression.

    There are very, very few genuine humanitarians in this world who do not exhibit any bias and are completely impartial in terms of showing their solidarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is a religious cause. No point in kidding yourself.

    Calling it a "humanitarian" cause means nothing. If that is so, why doesn't Moeen or other Muslims show solidarity for the oppression against non-Muslims?

    This bogus humanitarian card means nothing. Unfortunately for most people, humanity starts and ends based on their religious orientation, and that is why most Muslims do not give two hoots about non-Muslim oppression, and most non-Muslims do not give two hoots about Muslim oppression.

    There are very, very few genuine humanitarians in this world who do not exhibit any bias and are completely impartial in terms of showing their solidarity.
    Can you point a non-muslim humaintarian cause of this magnitude currently anywhere in the world? The three major humanitarian causes currently are Yemen, Palestine and Kashmir (all muslims). As a muslim, it is our duty to side with the oppressed regardless of the religion or race or nationality. I am pretty sure guys like Amla, Moeen etc are going to be supportive if there was any other issue of this magnitude.

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    Next, indian fans will start waving an israeli flags at cricket matches, mark my words, it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman View Post
    Next, indian fans will start waving an israeli flags at cricket matches, mark my words, it will happen.
    Possibly.

    Here are Celtic football fans from Scotland waving the Palestine flags in a game that had nothing really to do with Israel or Palestine. They did that since they have a long history of showing solidarity to the Palestinians and even went on to raise £100k for a Palestinian charity after this:



    If some Indian fans feel that what the Israel gov is doing is right and they want to show their support for that then that is their choice.

    On the other hand if they want to wave the Israel flag at a game when they are playing against Muslims, simply because the Palestine matter is important to Muslims and they want to show aggression towards Muslims.......well look who's running their country. It's hardly surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

    (1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

    Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

    (2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

    It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.
    Lol at point number 2. Supporting Palestine is a humane cause , it doesn't necessarily have to do anything with religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmanraheel View Post
    Lol at point number 2. Supporting Palestine is a humane cause , it doesn't necessarily have to do anything with religion.
    It shouldn't, but that is how it is. There is a reason why the majority of the Muslims who are vocal about the human rights violations in Palestine and J&K are usually silent when non-Muslims are violated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It shouldn't, but that is how it is. There is a reason why the majority of the Muslims who are vocal about the human rights violations in Palestine and J&K are usually silent when non-Muslims are violated.
    You obviously haven't lived in North America. Many many people of all backgrounds religions support the Palestine cause

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Two key differences that we cannot ignore:

    (1) Moeen was expressing his support for the people of Palestine out of his own will. Since he was the only English player to do so, it was clear that the ECB did not endorse or promote it.

    Here, all the Indian players are wearing these caps. Hence, it is a BCCI decision - the Indian players were not acting out of their own accord.

    (2) Moeen was supporting a religious cause. He is not Palestinian and does not have Palestinian lineage. His only connection with the people of Palestine is Islam. Here, the Indian players are supporting their country. It hardly different to the Remembrance poppy that no seems to have a problem with.

    It is futile to juxtapose the two gestures. The Indian players have done nothing wrong and I don't see why we should have a problem with it.
    Religious cause? Palestine is not a religious cause, its an apartheid of the people who belong there who have lost their identity, their home and their social status to people who have taken over what was rightfully theres. Its anything but a religious cause. Children that are being murdered in Gaza, people don't support them out of any religious reason, but because the heinous crimes committed there have no voice and no represenation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    And we had Moin Ali banned for

    That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.
    No it wasn't, the match referree reprimanded him for wearing clothing that related to political activities.

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    Unacceptable. Kohli is playing to the gallery for some cheap self promotion and he should be banned as Moeen Ali was... this is a test of the ICCís resolve and if they can stand up to India!

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    Indian team is paying homage to Indian army with the approval of Indian cricket board and we have people here discussing if it is correct.

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    ICC should take charge as the governing body and take action against individuals

    Like in other sports there should be no room for political statements and affiliations in cricket


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sher Khan View Post
    Stupid stuff as usual from the Indian cricketers. Keep politics and sports separate.
    What's political about this. They aren't blaming anybody with this. They are paying homage and donating their match fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    No it wasn't, the match referree reprimanded him for wearing clothing that related to political activities.
    I know that. But the ECB couldn't care less either way. They didn't protest that decision strongly enough. Anyway Kohli is wearing a military cap but there is no actual statement on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    I know that. But the ECB couldn't care less either way. They didn't protest that decision strongly enough. Anyway Kohli is wearing a military cap but there is no actual statement on it.
    If the ECB "didn't like him wearing that" as you claimed previously they wouldn't have clearn him to worn it when he came to them initially for permission. The ICC started an investigation and rather than telling him to just it off to clear the issue the ECB actually backed him to carry on wearing them until the match referre finally stepped in.

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    Obviously one section have their knickers in a twist. The Indian board and players got together to donate their match fees towards National Defense Fund. They can do whatever they want to until the contract isn't breached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    Obviously one section have their knickers in a twist. The Indian board and players got together to donate their match fees towards National Defense Fund. They can do whatever they want to until the contract isn't breached.
    they can donate their knickers to the Indian Army for all we care but dont bring this on to the Cricket field.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    they can donate their knickers to the Indian Army for all we care but dont bring this on to the Cricket field.
    Eh, India can wear anything they want. It's their homeground, and they're not playing against Pakistan. Not classy but not illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    That was the ECB's fault. It's clear that ECB don't like their players wearing that. BCCI has no problem with our cricketers supporting the Army. Kohli has done nothing wrong here.
    Than we should let every body what they want to do right?i wonder why was hasan ali targeted only for his celebration at his side of border after all it was his choice

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    BCCI up to their usual over the top stuff.

    Who cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    they can donate their knickers to the Indian Army for all we care but dont bring this on to the Cricket field.
    The Bcci can give their players any colour of clothing. Thats not ICC's look out. Players have worn pink clothes to support a cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The Bcci can give their players any colour of clothing. Thats not ICC's look out. Players have worn pink clothes to support a cause.
    Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Than we should let every body what they want to do right?i wonder why was hasan ali targeted only for his celebration at his side of border after all it was his choice
    Who targeted Hasan Ali? ICC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Who targeted Hasan Ali? ICC?
    majority of indian fans

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.
    Supporting your Army is not political. Opposing or accusing somebody is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Not if it's deemed to be supporting a political cause.
    Who deems it? Whats the political cause? Indians supporting Indian Army is not a political cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Who deems it? Whats the political cause? Indians supporting Indian Army is not a political cause.
    I think there is a way to show "By wearing black armband"

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    People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

    Irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

    Irony.
    True that. I think religion and sports shouldnt be mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

    Irony.
    You will feel the irony when the Pak team wears caps supporting Kashmiris cause.

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    On a lighter note...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    On a lighter note...


    The whole of Pakistan is in trolling mode since last two weeks





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    Jo maza India ki haar mein


    Mein inko rolaonga


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
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    Hopefully the ICC bans this.


    Politics trumps intelligence (pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Hopefully the ICC bans this.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why?
    Sports is not to be mixed with politics and such cap and wristband stunts have been banned in the past, if they have been banned then so should these caps. If they wanted to commemorate their army's soldiers than why didn't they do it immediately after the event wearing black armbands? Just looks like a stunt to do it rn.


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    Haha, can't wait for this world cup to start, looking forward to all the little indian shinaagains to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Sports is not to be mixed with politics and such cap and wristband stunts have been banned in the past, if they have been banned then so should these caps. If they wanted to commemorate their army's soldiers than why didn't they do it immediately after the event wearing black armbands? Just looks like a stunt to do it rn.
    There is nothing political about supporting one's army. Players have worn armbands to condole death of political leaders.

    They are not opposing any person or organisation or country.They are supporting their own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    There is nothing political about supporting one's army. Players have worn armbands to condole death of political leaders.

    They are not opposing any person or organisation or country.They are supporting their own country.
    It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.


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    As most of the people in this thread don't want sports to be mixed with anything, I hope they request cricketers to stop doing Sajda and stop starting every sentence with Inshaallah, Mashaallah and Alhamdolillah. Why bring religion in to sports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.
    So is religion. Please ask for a ban on mixing religion in to cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    So is religion. Please ask for a ban on mixing religion in to cricket.
    I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?
    Only in clothing, clothing that is being used to display a message of religious activities can't be worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Only in clothing, clothing that is being used to display a message of religious activities can't be worn.
    I see, so for example a bracelet with the message 'Save Gaza' would be fine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    I see, so for example a bracelet with the message 'Save Gaza' would be fine?
    Not sure, the ICC stated what Moeen was wearing political, the ECB argued it was humanitarian.

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    Slap for those who were saying Kohli,Dhoni is neutral,mature blah blah.This guy will be all over our team with abuses in World cup clash.
    Time to support our own players.Dont get fooled by fake praises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    It is political because nationalism is a political ideology.
    If nationalism is a political ideology which is not allowed, then why are we teams divided as nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    If nationalism is a political ideology which is not allowed, then why are we teams divided as nations.
    We already have a defined set of parameters, from which the sport is played. I'm not saying that nationalism per se is wrong, but it is a political ideology and currently there seem to be ICC rules against such use of caps and wristbands. If there's any further legislation approved by the ICC which makes wearing army caps appropriate to commemorate military losses than it'll be within the rules, until than I don't think it is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    We already have a defined set of parameters, from which the sport is played. I'm not saying that nationalism per se is wrong, but it is a political ideology and currently there seem to be ICC rules against such use of caps and wristbands. If there's any further legislation approved by the ICC which makes wearing army caps appropriate to commemorate military losses than it'll be within the rules, until than I don't think it is.
    BCCI is doing this within the defined set of parameters.

    BCCI is allowed to provide any clothing to its team. And they have provided their players with an army cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    BCCI is doing this within the defined set of parameters.

    BCCI is allowed to provide any clothing to its team. And they have provided their players with an army cap.
    The protocol is to consult the ICC before this occurs, by Dhoni going to the BCCI for permission doesn't mean anything as the board would obviously allow him since they're increasingly jingoistic in their policy dealing and the rules are enforced by the ICC once the players step onto the field.


    Politics trumps intelligence (pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    The protocol is to consult the ICC before this occurs, by Dhoni going to the BCCI for permission doesn't mean anything as the board would obviously allow him since they're increasingly jingoistic in their policy dealing and the rules are enforced by the ICC once the players step onto the field.
    They also consulted the ICC, which ICC approved.

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    Nothing wrong with this. They are not supporting any political cause rather paying homage (and their match fee) to their martyred soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    I know you referred to using sajda as a celebration, I personally am not a fan of that but are there any rules against religion being used in such instances?
    Are there any rules objecting to paying homage to their army without opposing or accusing anybody??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    Are there any rules objecting to paying homage to their army without opposing or accusing anybody??
    Why do you feel obliged for me to answer your questions and you to not answer mine?


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    Besides they are not acting on their own. It's a directive from BCCI unlike in Moeen Ali case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Besides they are not acting on their own. It's a directive from BCCI unlike in Moeen Ali case.
    It is an initiative by MS Dhoni with the approval of Indian Board and Team.

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    Great gesture by dhoni and team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    People who love stuff like bringing religion in to sport and doing Sajda on the field have an issue Indian team supporting their Army.

    Irony.
    First learn how to differ in opinion , not use nonsensical language .
    P.s Indian cricket team can do whatever they want until ICC objects to.

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    Unnecessary shenanigans on part of India. Not such a big deal honestly, though it would be if the match was against Pakistan. At best it warrants a reprimand for dress code violation from the ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahdi View Post
    Unnecessary shenanigans on part of India. Not such a big deal honestly, though it would be if the match was against Pakistan. At best it warrants a reprimand for dress code violation from the ICC.
    Agreed and since its an ODI, hopefully it's only a one off event.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Why do you feel obliged for me to answer your questions and you to not answer mine?
    You are not obliged to answer to any of my questions. You can choose to answer or not. Who is forcing you to answer

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    Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

    Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAli98 View Post
    Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

    Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!
    could not stop laughing. The rest who cares what they wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AAli98 View Post
    Leave them ind been well & truly himiliated in the last couple of weeks.

    Why stop at army caps... should have supported Abhinandus moustache & bought out tea mugs aswell !!
    I hope Pakistan wears the PAF caps on the India vs Pakistan world cup match. The earnings from the match should go to the 2 army personnel martyred on the LOC last week. Plus we will end up paying homage to our PAF which makes lives of intruders miserable. Suret its a non political gesture.

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    No issue if BCCI allows. Thread closed.

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    Not surprising, as India have been bringing politics into sports for ages now and show no sign of maturing.

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    They are paying tribute to those pilots who lost their lives in fake war provoked by fool politicians and media.

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    it has open the doors for other.

    i won,t mind if our team do something similar for december 16 massacre. Many don,t like our Army .it will ruffle someone's feathers

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    I hope Pakistan wears the PAF caps on the India vs Pakistan world cup match. The earnings from the match should go to the 2 army personnel martyred on the LOC last week. Plus we will end up paying homage to our PAF which makes lives of intruders miserable. Suret its a non political gesture.
    Perfect. That way your national defense fund will getting handsome money and your cricketers will have the contentment of helping their army. I hope they do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_ View Post
    Perfect. That way your national defense fund will getting handsome money and your cricketers will have the contentment of helping their army. I hope they do that.
    But then again we donít stoop that low. We let sport be just sport.

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    The whole side is wearing them, barring Dhoni.


    "When You Have Eliminated The Impossible, Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be The Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    The whole side is wearing them, barring Dhoni.
    Which is quite weird consideration his affiliation with the Indian Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Which is quite weird consideration his affiliation with the Indian Army.
    Mr. Dhoni is one of the gentleman in today's cricket.



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