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    Should day/night ODI's be scrapped?

    Might sound like a silly question but I've never quite understood why day / night cricket is really played.

    If ODI cricket is supposed to be a fair game with innovations like DRS, hawk eye, heavy rollers, DR method, new balls etc, what is the thinking behind giving one team the advantage or disadvantage of playing under lights.

    The only thing i can think of is the financial aspect as more people turn up in the evening to watch the game but should that really be the case as what every cricket fan want to see is a fair game.

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    day/night T20 makes sense

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    Can we also ban the bouncing the ball on wicket, because early morning moisture, weather conditions, can affect the outcome of the game because of the Todd factor.


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    What a ridiculous thread from a highly respected poster.


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    its just the finacial aspect. you pointed out the right thing. I reckon Day Night matches dont really give you fair results.


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    ^ Yes and also back to only one ball whole innings, even that previous change after 34 over should be dropped, only one ball for 50 overs so we can get som reverse swing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post
    What a ridiculous thread from a highly respected poster.
    What is so ridiculous about the thread, please elaborate you not so respected poster

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    in my opinion no



    most teams bat first when they win the toss , but bowling second is hard too because of dew.




    its just elements. adds flavour to the game and more crowd shows up after work


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    Agree. I mean instead of banning it Icc should look to balance it. If u win the toss and bat first half of the match is won right away.
    Question is how can ICC make if fair??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman View Post
    What is so ridiculous about the thread, please elaborate you not so respected poster
    It's just the fact that this suggestion only comes up after Pakistan have been trounced twice chasing under lights. Nobody seemed to have any problem with Day-Night matches before.

    Also, as many people have pointed, the financial aspect is one important part. The second thing is people usually have more spare time in the evening than they do in broad daylight... especially on weekdays. It only makes sense to make the match accessible to as many people as possible.

    It's just one of those things that needs to be accepted, as there are many factors that can alter the playing conditions.

    What's next? ICC should prepare two pitches per match so that the team batting second doesn't have the disadvantage of playing on an already used pitch?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post
    It's just the fact that this suggestion only comes up after Pakistan have been trounced twice chasing under lights. Nobody seemed to have any problem with Day-Night matches before.

    Also, as many people have pointed, the financial aspect is one important part. The second thing is people usually have more spare time in the evening than they do in broad daylight... especially on weekdays. It only makes sense to make the match accessible to as many people as possible.

    It's just one of those things that needs to be accepted, as there are many factors that can alter the playing conditions.

    What's next? ICC should prepare two pitches per match so that the team batting second doesn't have the disadvantage of playing on an already used pitch?
    Does it really matter?? What diffrence does that make??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamee View Post
    Does it really matter?? What diffrence does that make??
    Timing is everything.

    It's like the English crying about Ajmal's action after he ate them whole in the Test series, whereas they had absolutely no problem with it when they were using his services in their county system.

    It just reflects badly on you.


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    Have night T20 matches and day ODIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post
    Timing is everything.

    It's like the English crying about Ajmal's action after he ate them whole in the Test series, whereas they had absolutely no problem with it when they were using his services in their county system.

    It just reflects badly on you.
    Agree but OP has a fair point, You cant discard it just because ''it will reflect bad on us''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post
    It's just the fact that this suggestion only comes up after Pakistan have been trounced twice chasing under lights. Nobody seemed to have any problem with Day-Night matches before.
    You may think that but it's been on my mind for many years but i did feel at least one reactionist will spring up at the time of creating the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post

    What's next? ICC should prepare two pitches per match so that the team batting second doesn't have the disadvantage of playing on an already used pitch?
    That's not a bad idea tbh.

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    or why not doing this. Pakistan should always bat first even if they lose the toss.

    Dude you mentioned it in your OP itself. more people will come in the evening after work hours. Thats the reason for day and night matches. you need to think about commercial aspects as well. not only cricket all the other sports throughout the world work like this. take NFL, NBA,etc., why are they playing during weekends or in the evening after 7 PM.

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    Did any of you complain when Gul got 10 wickets in 2 matches vs England in 2010 ODI's and he was bowling under lights with serious swing and seam and in 1 match, He even picked up 6 wickets to win us the game.

    Batting under lights means it is easier to bat in the first 10-15 overs as there is moisture on the pitch but we had Farhat and Hafeez blocking but they should of attacked as First 10 overs is the easiest time to bat.

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    Nah man its kinda the beauty of cricket.
    It is very reliant on the surroundings you are playing in and is therefore one of the most technical and strategic game arround.
    Teams have to be prepared to win under any and all conditions.
    If the ball is seaming or bouncing more under lights then players have to learn to adapt to that. They are professionals its what they should be able to do.
    Sometimes if you got play in countries like the UK the ball is seaming and bouncing from the first over so you gotta be prepared for that and plan for that.
    The only thing I have a problem with in day/nights game is dew. You dont play cricket in the rain so why play with a wet ball. However thats just part and parcel of it.

    Plus at the end of the day every sport needs fans to come in and watch the game otherwise the sport will suffer. D/N game is giving yourself the best chance to have fans come in since no one has the time in a weekday to take days off work/uni/school and go sit at the cricket all day.

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    Maybe cut down the number of floodlit matches but no there will always be factors that give advantage to either home teams, or teams bowling under lights, or bowling in the day, etc etc. It's part of the intrigue of the game

    Don't forget Pakistan came close to chasing 250 yesterday, it was not impossible by any means

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    Day match gives more advantage to the team bowling first especially in places like England or South Africa. Its hard to maintain same pitch condition for 100 overs. this is how the game is, just accept the reality. yes sometimes its unfair if the match is decided based on toss.

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    Day night cricket will not diminish. In fact it will grow. It was originally devised by Packer and now all nations - including England have the facilities to provide day / night cricket. In hot countries in particular it means that the season can be expanded.

    In terms of Pakistan I think they are badly affected by the introduction of 2 balls, as our batters can't play the seaming ball, and our seamers can't reverse.

    In fact the better question is whether there should be day / night tests? However that may require innovation to a pink ball, which as a traditionist I would not be in favour of.


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    Quote Originally Posted by madaboutcricket View Post
    Day match gives more advantage to the team bowling first especially in places like England or South Africa. Its hard to maintain same pitch condition for 100 overs. this is how the game is, just accept the reality. yes sometimes its unfair if the match is decided based on toss.
    yup thats the point. If day/night games are scrapped, what do you do for overcast games in England? If you win the toss on a overcast day in England you can restrict the opposition to the decent total and suddenly the sun comes out and the second team chases the target easily as there is no help for bowlers. What would you do again unfair on the team batting first, so cancel games when the conditions are overcast?

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    Day night games often give one side the advantage. Sometimes the chasing side with dew factor and sometimes the side batting first on a dry/slow pitch. But one day cricket is all about variety. Although I agree no. of floodlit games should be reduced.

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    There is the commercial aspect that will keep day/night matches going. With people having less time for weekday cricket these days, the evening is a chance to increase revenue. Some of the day/night games I have been to have had an increase of supporters after 5pm.

    There is also the magical factor. Lords has only recently floodlights and I went to the Pakistan V England day/night ODI in 2010 and the floodlights made Lords look amazing. It just had a unique sort of atmosphere that can't be replicated during the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman View Post
    You may think that but it's been on my mind for many years but i did feel at least one reactionist will spring up at the time of creating the thread.



    That's not a bad idea tbh.
    What is this? Gulli Danda?

    I mean come on, it's these type of things that make this game of cricket such a beautiful game.

    And no Day/Night games should not be scrapped, partly due to financial reasons and partly due to people having more time to in the evening to watch the match. Plus it's always fun to watch a day-night match.

    Plus I don't think it gives a team tooo much of an advantage if they are bowling under lights. A good team should be able to chase regardless...

    And if you are too keen on 'being fair' then maybe all the series should be held at neutral venues (that way one team doesn't have home advantage) and also maybe we should stop play, if the conditions were sunny and suddenly got overcast, because it gives advantage to one team over the other...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi_Joker View Post
    What a ridiculous thread from a highly respected poster.
    Coming from Joker ( and that even from desi) sound more funny.

    Thread's point is valid but presented in a wrong way.

    The only way to make this game more fair and take the toss, light, early moisture, ..factors out of the equation and make the game more balanced, split the 50 overs into 25 overs and each team bat twice and eliminate the T20 cricket.

    This will solve all the problems and issues and game will have only two versions, Test and Two (25) over game.


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    I smell sour grapes.

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    ODI`s should be scrapped for the good of cricket..

    same old slog first 15 overs then tuk tuk for next 20 and then slogs again for next 15....

    Should Have MORE Test Cricket & T20s should be Future.

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    Good and fair point made by OP.

    But I think there's indifferent atmosphere to day/night cricket, plus there is a lot of money to be made from it as many people saunter in after work.

    Too valueable to get rid of IMO.

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    Woah.

    Day/Night cricket started around 25 years ago.


    ...and now, you want it scrapped. I can't find a single thread in Pakpassion archive of scrapping it.


    So basically, your the first person on Pakpassion to ever want this.



    That should tell you exactly how crazy the concept is.


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    Its not day-night odis fault that pakistan can't chase.... (the timing of this thread points to this).

    We indians play the same too. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. But atleast we don't come up with excuses like this.

    This thread is at the same level as when swan said "odi should be removed from cricket".

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    Do we have stats for Win/Loss % for Day night games...

    in many places Batting second is advantage due to Due ...just because it didnt worked here doesnt mean it is totally unfair to team batting second..

    also OP try to remmeber the World Cup final 2011 (played under lights won by team Batting Second)

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    If you go purely by the stats of recent times (last 10 years), batting first or chasing under lights doesn't really have much of impact on the result of a D/N match.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

    The above stats shows you that the number of times sides have won fielding first or batting first is nearly the same, except for in England where D/N games tend to favor the side batting first.

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    ^^ good point, WC final was won chasing under lights both in 1996 n 2011.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    If you go purely by the stats of recent times (last 10 years), batting first or chasing under lights doesn't really have much of impact on the result of a D/N match.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

    The above stats shows you that the number of times sides have won fielding first or batting first is nearly the same, except for in England where D/N games tend to favor the side batting first.
    Quote Originally Posted by AamchiMumbaikar View Post
    ^^ good point, WC final was won chasing under lights both in 1996 n 2011.
    I don't usually side with the Indians, but good points.


    It seems some posters really do live in a bubble. Pakistan losses 2 D/N games, blame the concept.

    Pakistan loves DRS, until it makes one or two decisions against us so they say, get rid of DRS.

    I could go on for ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Its not day-night odis fault that pakistan can't chase.... (the timing of this thread points to this).

    We indians play the same too. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. But atleast we don't come up with excuses like this.

    This thread is at the same level as when swan said "odi should be removed from cricket".
    Your excuses are even worse !

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    It's all about money .....

    But there you see in morning starts there is fog around sometimes and that gives advantage to team bowling first ...... element of luck cannot be eliminated in sports.


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    I think cricket should be scrapped altogether. Even in test cricket more often than not the the team winning the toss have an unfair advantage.

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    no but the pak batsmen just need to be able to play good swing and seam under lights. Will be interesting see how pak spinners fair with a dew soaked ball.

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    No!!!!

    I say away series should be scrapped..its unfair for a team to ask them to play in a place every 2/3 yrs ...where opposition plays everyday....


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    Definitely, after all Pakistan just lost two of them. In a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whippy View Post
    Definitely, after all Pakistan just lost two of them. In a row.
    Drop the sarcasm dude.. Won a couple of games after getting some serious thrashing throughout the tour and you're getting all witty

    On the topic, I wouldn't go that far as saying the day n nighters be scrapped but something could be done to level the playing field.. The team batting second is certainly at a disadvantage.. I wouldn't want to see the game results being influenced by the toss..

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    I honestly hate Day/Night matches

    Day/Night matches are just way too modern for me. At least England gets it and the World Cup this year will only have a few D/N matches. I hate this trend over the last 15 years or so where the majority of the matches are D?N now. Hardly any T20 matches are played in the day. I like seeing the sun and you can see the crowd. Matches in the dark are abysmal and lack charisma.

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    Quite the opposite for me. I love day-night matches.


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    Day n night is the best.. Atmosphere is much better in the evenings.. Day matches harldy gets crowd in specially on weekedays. Sun is a rarity in england and NZ I can feel pain but cricket is majorly played in Asian countries or Australia n s africa


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    Day and Night matches are awesome.

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    Day and night matches are good especially for people who work in offices.

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    Day and night matches not only offer a good atmosphere but also make for good viewing timings, thus being the most popular type of one day match timing.

    I personally love them due to the atmosphere and the thrill of the chase under floodlights!

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    D/N tests are fine by me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    D/N tests are fine by me too.
    same here provided the pitch is grassy as the pink ball s seam totally gives away after 20 overs .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    D/N tests are fine by me too.
    Thats crossing a line that shoudnt be crossed.

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    No. They should stay.

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    Day night matches are the only way to get a decent crowd turnout. Without them, people will be busy with work etc.


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