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    Israeli raids, Gaza rocket fire continue as death toll rises

    Militants in the Gaza Strip have fired more than 250 rockets into Israel, the army says, prompting air strikes and tank fire on the Palestinian territory.

    One Israeli was killed by shrapnel, while Israeli fire killed four Palestinians, including a mother and her baby daughter, Gaza officials say.

    However, Israel said the mother and baby were killed by a Palestinian rocket that fell short of its target.

    The flare-up over the weekend followed a truce agreed last month.

    Four Palestinians, including two Hamas militants, were killed on Friday after an attack injured two Israeli soldiers.

    The latest violence marks yet another increase in hostilities despite attempts by Egypt and the United Nations to broker a longer-term ceasefire, says the BBC's Tom Bateman in Jerusalem.

    One of the air strikes has hit the offices of Turkish news agency Anadolu, prompting condemnation from Istanbul.

    What's the latest?
    An Israeli man died early on Sunday in Ashkelon, 10km (six miles) north of Gaza, after being wounded by shrapnel when a rocket hit his house.

    The rocket barrage began at 10:00 (07:00 GMT) on Saturday, and 250 rockets have now been fired into Israel from Gaza, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) say.

    A number of homes in parts of Israel bordering the Gaza Strip have been hit. Many residents rushed to bomb shelters.

    An 80-year-old woman was seriously injured by shrapnel in Kiryat Gat.

    The country's Iron Dome missile defence system shot down dozens of the rockets, the IDF said.

    In response the IDF said it had launched air and artillery strikes against 120 Gaza sites belonging to Hamas, a militant group that controls the Gaza Strip, and against groups including Islamic Jihad. It blamed both for the attacks.

    Palestinian officials say a 22-year-old man was killed. Reuters news agency quotes a small pro-Hamas militant group as saying he was one of their fighters.

    The other deaths included those of a 37-year-old woman and her 14-month-old daughter who were killed in an air strike in the east of the Gaza Strip, according to Palestinian officials.

    Several Gaza residents were wounded.

    However, Israel questioned whether an air strike had killed the mother and baby.

    "According to indications the baby and her mother died as a result of the terrorist activities of Palestinian saboteurs and not as a result of an Israeli strike," tweeted Avichay Adraee, without giving further details.

    Israel's Consul General in New York, Dani Dayan, tweeted that the pair were killed by a Palestinian rocket which fell short.

    Turkey's Foreign Minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, condemned the attacks against civilians as "a crime against humanity".

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also issued a condemnation of the Anadolu strike.

    The Israeli military defended targeting the building in a statement, saying the structure was used by Hamas's West Bank task force and as an office for senior members of the Islamic Jihad.

    What triggered the latest unrest?
    The violence began during weekly Friday protests in Gaza against the tight blockade of the area. Israel says this is needed to stop weapons reaching Gaza.

    A Palestinian gunman shot and wounded two Israeli soldiers at the boundary fence. The IDF blamed Islamic Jihad for the shooting.

    The Israeli air strike in response killed two Hamas militants. Another two Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire at the fence.

    Islamic Jihad said it had launched the rocket attacks on Saturday in response to Friday's violence.

    Its statement also accused Israel of failing to implement last month's ceasefire deal, which was brokered by Egypt.

    Saturday's rocket attacks coincided with Palestinians burying the two militants.

    "The resistance will continue to respond to the crimes by the occupation and it will not allow it to shed the blood of our people," Hamas spokesman Abdel-Latif al-Qanoua said in a statement on Saturday. He made no explicit claim for Hamas firing the rockets.

    About two million Palestinians live in Gaza, which has suffered economically from the Israeli blockade as well as recent foreign aid cuts.

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    What exactly do these people think theyíll achieve by firing such rockets into Israel?

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    Israeli raids, Gaza rocket fire continue as death toll rises

    Israeli warplanes and gunboats continued to target the Gaza Strip on Sunday, as rockets were also fired from Gaza into southern Israel.

    The latest violence comes a day after at least six Palestinians, including a pregnant mother and her one-year-old baby, and one Israeli, were killed in ***-for-tat strikes and rocket attacks.

    Al Jazeera's Harry Fawcett, reporting from the Israeli side of the fence with Gaza, said the escalation is "far from over".

    "This is potentially a dangerous and long, major military escalation," he said. "The Israeli media is quoting senior defence sources as saying they expect this fighting to last some days."

    Israeli media reported Gaza fighters over the past two days fired more than 400 rockets at towns and cities in southern Israel and that Israeli Iron Dome anti-missile system had intercepted more than 250 of them.

    The government media office in Gaza said Israeli warplanes carried out about 150 raids, in addition to artillery shelling targeting 200 civilian landmarks in the Gaza Strip, including residential buildings, mosques, shops and media institutions.

    About 40 Palestinians were wounded in the attacks, according to Gaza's health ministry.

    On Sunday, the Israeli army denied that Falastine Abu Arar, the 37-year-old pregnant mother, and her infant daughter Siba, were killed by Israeli forces, instead blaming a misfiring of a Palestinian rocket.

    Two men, 22-year-old Imad Nseir and 25-year-old Khaled Abu Qaleeq, were also killed by Israeli air raids on Saturday night.

    The Palestinian Islamic Jihad group said the two men killed overnight on Sunday, Mahmoud Issa, 26 and Fawzi Bawadi, 23, were members of its armed wing.

    A 58-year-old Israeli man was killed by a rocket strike on the city of Ashkelon, according to Israeli police.


    'Dangerous escalation'

    The United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Nickolay Mladenov called on all parties to "immediately deescalate and return to the understandings of the past few months".

    "I am deeply concerned by yet another dangerous escalation in Gaza and the tragic loss of life," he said.

    "My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of all those who were killed, and I wish a speedy recovery to the injured."

    The latest flare-up came after four other Palestinians were killed in two separate incidents on Friday.

    Two of them were shot dead during the weekly Great March of Return protests near the Israeli fence east of Gaza, while an air raid targeting a Hamas outpost killed two members of the movement's armed wing.

    The Israeli army said the air raid was in response to a shooting that wounded two of its soldiers near the fence.

    Armed factions in Gaza, who are otherwise known as the Joint Operations Room and include the military wing of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, vowed on Saturday to "extend its response" if the Israeli army continued to target the strip.

    In a statement on Saturday, the Joint Operations Room said: "Our response will be broader and more painful in the event [Israel's] extends in aggression, and we will remain the protective shield of our people and our land."

    Israel and Egypt have maintained a crippling blockade on Gaza since Hamas seized control of the territory in 2007.

    Following heavy fighting in late March, Israel agreed to ease the blockade in exchange for a halt to rocket fire. This included expanding a fishing zone off Gaza's coast, increasing imports into Gaza and allowing the Gulf state of Qatar to deliver aid to the cash-strapped territory.

    But Israel scaled back the fishing zone this week in response to rocket fire and shut the border crossings entirely on Saturday after barrages from the enclave.

    Israel is due to celebrate its independence day this month, and will also host the Eurovision song contest in Tel Aviv.

    This marks a "politically sensitive time in Israel", Harry Fawcett said, adding that there has been speculation both within and outside of Gaza that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have timed the launching of rockets to express their frustrations over Israel failing to uphold its end of agreements.

    "Other reported terms within that framework including increasing the amount of Qatari funding coming into Gaza has not happened," he said.

    "Various reported understandings about easing economic restrictions, creating jobs, looking to improving electricity flow in Gaza– there’s been nothing on those lines."

    About two million Palestinians live in Gaza, whose economy has suffered years of blockade as well as recent foreign aid cuts. Unemployment stands at 52 percent, according to the World Bank, and poverty is rampant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    What exactly do these people think theyíll achieve by firing such rockets into Israel?
    Nothing other than inviting misery for their own people. Such sad news about the mother and her child.

    RIP!


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    If only india stop buying Irani oil and stop investing in Iran, thn maybe israelis wont face 250 rockets every other month.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    What exactly do these people think they’ll achieve by firing such rockets into Israel?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Nothing other than inviting misery for their own people. Such sad news about the mother and her child.

    RIP!
    I know you guys support Indian occuption of Kashmir so your posts are not surprise blaming the victims.

    What would you do if you were born in Gaza and grew up seeing your family, friends being killed. People suffering with mental health problems with little potential for living a good life?


    Back on topic, Israelis will bomb regardless, they are evil brutal killers.


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    Gaza conflict: Reports of ceasefire after days of violence

    There has been a lull in hostilities in the Gaza Strip amid reports of a ceasefire mediated by Egypt.

    At least four Israelis and 23 Palestinians were killed in clashes over two days of worsening violence - the most intense in recent years.

    Unconfirmed reports from a Hamas TV station say a ceasefire was agreed between the two sides, but there has so far been no word from Israel.

    Parts of the international community, including the UN, had called for calm.

    The Israeli army said on Sunday that more than 600 rockets had been fired into Israeli territory since Saturday, while it hit 320 targets in response.

    Reports on Sunday night suggested the UN, Qatar and Egypt were trying to broker a ceasefire. By early Monday morning, Palestinian officials were saying an agreement had been reached, with the ceasefire due to begin at 04:30 local time (01:30 GMT).

    Sources from Hamas and an Egyptian official also told news agency AFP that a ceasefire had been agreed.

    On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had ordered the military to "continue its massive strikes on terror elements" in Gaza.

    Israel has said its air defence has intercepted more than 150 rockets so far. Mr Netanyahu says the country's forces around the strip would be "stepped up with tank, artillery and infantry forces".

    Israel also closed all schools within 40km (25 miles) of the Gaza strip and opened some shelters to the public.

    What do we know about casualties?
    Four people have so far died from the violence in Israel:

    A 58-year-old man died from injuries in a rocket strike on a house in Ashkelon on Saturday night
    A worker died in Ashkelon on Sunday when a rocket hit a factory
    Another man, 67, was killed when his car was apparently struck by an anti-tank missile
    A fourth person, who was in his early 20s, was killed in the southern city of Ashdod
    The Gaza Health Ministry says 23 Palestinians have died across the weekend. Most of the deaths came on Sunday. The Islamic Jihad group said seven of the dead were its members.

    Civilians, including a 12-year-old boy and two pregnant women were also among those reportedly killed.

    Israel has contested the account of the death of one woman and her 14-month-old niece on Saturday. They blamed their deaths on a Palestinian rocket that fell short of its target.

    On Sunday, the Israeli military admitted a targeted assassination of a Hamas commander named Hamed Hamdan al-Khodari - sharing a video of the apparent moment they hit his car.

    The sites Israel says has destroyed include a multi-storey building in Gaza City, which it said included Hamas intelligence offices.

    Turkey said its state news agency Anadolu had an office there. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu called Israeli strikes on civilians "a crime against humanity".

    On Sunday night, Hamas leader Ismail Haniya said in a statement that "returning to a state of calm is possible" if Israel committed to a "complete ceasefire".

    How did the latest violence develop?
    It began on Friday, during protests in Gaza against the blockade of the area - which Israel says is needed to stop weapons reaching militants.

    A Palestinian gunman shot and wounded two Israeli soldiers at the boundary fence. Israel retaliated with an air strike that killed two militants.

    The rocket barrage from Gaza began on Saturday morning. Israel's Iron Dome missile defence system shot down dozens of the rockets, but a number of homes in Israeli towns and villages were hit.

    How does the flare-up in violence compare?
    It has been one of the biggest surges in violence since the conflict of July and August 2014.

    In that year, Israel launched a ground offensive on Gaza following the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli teenagers.

    The conflict resulted in the death of 67 Israeli soldiers. Hamas and its allies launched more than 4,500 rocket strikes that killed six civilians in Israel.

    On the Palestinian side, 2,251 people, including 1,462 civilians, were killed in the seven-week conflict, according to the UN.

    Since then, Palestinian militants have continued to carry out sporadic strikes on Israel.

    In a previous wave this year, in March, several rockets were fired into southern Israel, triggering raids on Gaza by the Israeli air force. No fatalities were reported on either side.

    In early April a ceasefire was brokered by Egypt, but Hamas and allied militant groups later accused Israel of violating its terms.

    What has the reaction been?
    Nickolay Mladenov, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, has condemned the recent violence and said the UN is working with both sides to calm the violence.

    In a statement, UN Chief Antonio Guterres has condemned "in the strongest terms" rockets being launched into Israel.

    "He urges all parties to exercise maximum restraint, immediately de-escalate and return to the understandings of the past few months," the statement added.

    Speaking on Fox News on Sunday, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Israelis have "every right to defend themselves" from rocket attacks.

    "I hope we can return to the ceasefire that had been in place for weeks and had been holding significantly before this," he added.

    The European Union on Sunday called for rocket fire to "stop immediately".

    Iran's foreign minister, condemned what he labelled as Israel's "savage" attacks on Gaza, while also hitting out at "unlimited American support" of Israel.

    Save the Children has said it has had to suspend all but essential programs in the Gaza strip.

    Jeremy Stoner, their Middle East Regional Director, said the group were "deeply alarmed" by rapidly rising casualties on both sides, and called for de-escalation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48171804

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    What exactly do these people think they’ll achieve by firing such rockets into Israel?
    Hamas could have achieved independence if Hamas wasn't such an idiotic group. Their target always seems to be civilians. They measure their success by killing civilians. They know if Israel responds its raining dead bodies but they don't care about their own people. Israel has very little work to do from the PR side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realromeo View Post
    Hamas could have achieved independence if Hamas wasn't such an idiotic group. Their target always seems to be civilians. They measure their success by killing civilians. They know if Israel responds its raining dead bodies but they don't care about their own people. Israel has very little work to do from the PR side.
    Easy to say that Hamas could have achieved independence, but the reality is they never would.

    Terrorism is a sign of weakness, the Palestinians don't have the capability to hit the Israeli army so they hit civilians instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Easy to say that Hamas could have achieved independence, but the reality is they never would.

    Terrorism is a sign of weakness, the Palestinians don't have the capability to hit the Israeli army so they hit civilians instead.
    You know why maoists are strategically clever ? They emphasised on education. Hamas does it the other way around. They give religious more importance than education. Intentionally targeting civilians is just stupid and like shooting your own foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realromeo View Post
    You know why maoists are strategically clever ? They emphasised on education. Hamas does it the other way around. They give religious more importance than education. Intentionally targeting civilians is just stupid and like shooting your own foot.
    Yes I agree with you, it is pointless and stupid. I am just pointing out that even if they weren't bombing civilians, they still wouldn't have independence. Israelis want that land for themselves, that is why they build more settlements so they can house more Jewish immigrants from all around the world.


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    Palestine is no match for Israel militarily or diplomatically so better that they behave themselves otherwise for every one Israeli killed dozens of Palestinians will lose their lives. Even most Arab countries let alone Muslim countries don't care about them. You will never see Palestine support Pakistan or our stance on Kashmir. For that reason I stopped caring about the Arab world years back. Fight your own battles!


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    Its about time Jews and Muslims combine to form a single nation and live together. Firing rockets at Isreal means inviting air raids from Israel and more Palestinian deaths.

    Quran itself tells Jews to go and take Jerusalem.

    https://quran.com/5/20-21

    5:20
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    And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.

    5:21
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    O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

    If the above is true, Muslims should welcome Jews to Israel as Allah himself asked Jews to go and occupy the Holy Land AKA Jerusalem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I know you guys support Indian occuption of Kashmir so your posts are not surprise blaming the victims.

    What would you do if you were born in Gaza and grew up seeing your family, friends being killed. People suffering with mental health problems with little potential for living a good life?


    Back on topic, Israelis will bomb regardless, they are evil brutal killers.
    Firing crappy rockets into Israel has contributed to the deaths of countless Gazans through the years. Hamas know exactly what they are doing and know full well how Israel will react - they are just treating their own people as cannon fodder. Youíre right Hamas are mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realromeo View Post
    You know why maoists are strategically clever ? They emphasised on education. Hamas does it the other way around. They give religious more importance than education. Intentionally targeting civilians is just stupid and like shooting your own foot.
    Hamas have killed more Palestinians than Israel. They shoot suspects in the street like dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Hamas have killed more Palestinians than Israel. They shoot suspects in the street like dogs.
    Stop lying. There is no one more evil then the Israelis. Ofcourse, an Australian won't understand as the native Australians were treated the same as the Palestinians. And I don't support Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    Stop lying. There is no one more evil then the Israelis. Ofcourse, an Australian won't understand as the native Australians were treated the same as the Palestinians. And I don't support Hamas.
    Educate yourself.

    Hamas has turned its anger over Israel's assassination of three military commanders against alleged collaborators in Gaza, killing 21 people in a little over 24 hours and warning that the "same punishment will be imposed soon on others".https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-infomers-gaza
    Hamas has killed 18 Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel, a day after Israel killed three of the group's top military commanders in an airstrike on a house in southern Gaza Strip, witnesses and a Hamas website said.

    A Gaza security official said the first batch involved 11 people who were killed early on Friday at the Gaza City police headquarters.

    Six more were killed later in the day in a public execution in a central Gaza square, according to a Hamas website and witnesses cited by Reuters news agency.

    Three suspected collaborators were also killed on Thursday.

    The victims, their heads covered and hands tied, were shot dead by masked gunmen dressed in black in front of a crowd of worshippers outside a mosque after prayers, witnesses and al-Majd, a pro-Hamas website, said.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...624490268.html
    Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel in a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a large mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.Hamas' military wing claimed responsibility.https://www.haaretz.com/hamas-public...ects-1.5199275
    At least 30 people were killed as Hamas routed Fatah in the Gaza Strip capturing most major security compounds from Abbas’s forces throughout the coastal territory.

    After the battles, Hamas men hunted down their foes, blowing up their houses and taking over buildings used by Fatah-run civilian organizations, witnesses saidhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-reprisals/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL1474926320070614

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    Stop lying. There is no one more evil then the Israelis. Ofcourse, an Australian won't understand as the native Australians were treated the same as the Palestinians. And I don't support Hamas.
    Next door in Syria the government there have killed more people in a handful of years than the Israelis have in their entire existence.

    Not too far away in Yemen we now have the worse humanitarian crisis for 100 years thanks to the actions of the Saudi and UAE air-forces.

    Moving eastwards to Xingjian we have concentrations camps holding countless Muslims in what is largest mass incarceration since the Holocaust.

    But sure 'no one more evil then the Israelis'.

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    Loads of whataboutism going on here. If you support Israeli occupation of Palestine and their land grab for Jewish settlers, just say so. Why bring Syria or any other country into it?

    Hamas themselves might be useless and terrorists, still doesn't mean Israel is justified in what they have done. They evicted Palestinians from their homes and took them for themselves. That has always been the real issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Loads of whataboutism going on here. If you support Israeli occupation of Palestine and their land grab for Jewish settlers, just say so. Why bring Syria or any other country into it?

    Hamas themselves might be useless and terrorists, still doesn't mean Israel is justified in what they have done. They evicted Palestinians from their homes and took them for themselves. That has always been the real issue.
    Muslims should also welcome Jews to take the Holy land as Allah ordered Jews to take the land and not be losers.

    It will be a win-win for both Jews and Palestinians as both will be following Allah's orders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Muslims should also welcome Jews to take the Holy land as Allah ordered Jews to take the land and not be losers.

    It will be a win-win for both Jews and Palestinians as both will be following Allah's orders.
    Jews have always lived on the holy land, there is no issue with them living there, only problem arises when they evict Muslims from their homes and start living there themselves after arriving from USA, Russia, Poland, UK etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Jews have always lived on the holy land, there is no issue with them living there, only problem arises when they evict Muslims from their homes and start living there themselves after arriving from USA, Russia, Poland, UK etc.
    They are evicting because God told them to take it by force. Since this is 2019, both parties should come to an agreement and form a combined nation.

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    Israel is the most humane, self-controlled military force in the history of humanity. Palestinians must understand that by firing rockets they cannot gain an inch of their claimed land. Israel can wipe them out in a single day if it wishes to but it has shown great deal of patience for these ungrateful Palestinians. Again, what can you expect from Palestinians, the same people who worked and earned their living in Kuwait but supported Saddam when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

    Palestinian terrorism has to end in Israel. Let Israelis live peacefully and continue working on improving human life through scientific breakthroughs and inventions. Let the poor innocent Palestinian children have a life which has education, sports, and fun rather than extremism and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    They are evicting because God told them to take it by force. Since this is 2019, both parties should come to an agreement and form a combined nation.
    These are both Abrahamic religions, they aren't going to take advice from an ex-polytheist, you might as well keep your religious advice to yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    These are both Abrahamic religions, they aren't going to take advice from an ex-polytheist, you might as well keep your religious advice to yourself.
    You do not have to be a believer to tell what is written in the book.

    Just showing PP'ers facts. Allah told Jews to take the holy land and its about time they are following what God ordained them to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    You do not have to be a believer to tell what is written in the book.

    Just showing PP'ers facts. Allah told Jews to take the holy land and its about time they are following what God ordained them to do.
    You don't appear to understand the concept of chronology, that is why I am saying better for ex-Hindus to leave Abrahamic texts to those who are more learned. It would be much more beneficial for us PP'ers to hear your own journey of leaving Hindu religion, that is a subject you could probably provide much insight on for us neutral observers. Why don't you start a new thread?


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    You don't appear to understand the concept of chronology, that is why I am saying better for ex-Hindus to leave Abrahamic texts to those who are more learned. It would be much more beneficial for us PP'ers to hear your own journey of leaving Hindu religion, that is a subject you could probably provide much insight on for us neutral observers. Why don't you start a new thread?
    I have already mentioned why I am an ex-Hindu.

    What chronology are you talking about? God's word is eternal. God told them to take the holy land and it does not matter what time it is. Either you an atheist like myself or you are a name sake Muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I have already mentioned why I am an ex-Hindu.

    What chronology are you talking about? God's word is eternal. God told them to take the holy land and it does not matter what time it is. Either you an atheist like myself or you are a name sake Muslim.
    God takes U-turn every 1000 years in Abrahamic religions. He's very cruel and jealous in the old testament then he becomes all-loving and benevolent in the new testament. Then, in Quran he's something else - he completely goes against what he has promised to Bani Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    God takes U-turn every 1000 years in Abrahamic religions. He's very cruel and jealous in the old testament then he becomes all-loving and benevolent in the new testament. Then, in Quran he's something else - he completely goes against what he has promised to Bani Israel.
    Yep Abrahamic religions are very weird, would be nice if we could share some eastern wisdom from Indian sages down the years and bring them into the light, but Hinduism is more of a closed book and it is left to the wonderful Buddha to bring eastern spirituality to the masses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Yep Abrahamic religions are very weird, would be nice if we could share some eastern wisdom from Indian sages down the years and bring them into the light, but Hinduism is more of a closed book and it is left to the wonderful Buddha to bring eastern spirituality to the masses.
    Why are you so obsessed with India and Hindus? At least I was a Muslim in the past so I can feel more confident to talk on Abrahamic faiths.

    Hinduism is a very flexible philosophy. It does not require one to pray 5 times nor does it prohibit people from working during the Sabbath. Neither, does it tell you that the path to the Lord is only through Jesus. There is a reason you will never hear Hindus creating trouble anywhere in the world. Hindus and Buddhist are the most peaceful people in the world who just like to mind their own business rather than poking their noise in other people's business or telling others what is right or wrong. A Hindu may not drink alcohol himself but he will have no problem is anyone else drinks it in his community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Firing crappy rockets into Israel has contributed to the deaths of countless Gazans through the years. Hamas know exactly what they are doing and know full well how Israel will react - they are just treating their own people as cannon fodder. Youíre right Hamas are mentally ill.
    Exactly those rockets dont kill anyone. Its not just Hamas,there are various factions outside of it's control who see no other choice but to fight back in any way they can. Nothing they do will please people like you.

    Again you support the occupation of Kashmir so it's for you to laugh at the those who are oppressed by an evil regime as India is no different but I hope you never suffer the mental problems they are due to the state terrorism they face.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Israel is the most humane, self-controlled military force in the history of humanity. Palestinians must understand that by firing rockets they cannot gain an inch of their claimed land. Israel can wipe them out in a single day if it wishes to but it has shown great deal of patience for these ungrateful Palestinians. Again, what can you expect from Palestinians, the same people who worked and earned their living in Kuwait but supported Saddam when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

    Palestinian terrorism has to end in Israel. Let Israelis live peacefully and continue working on improving human life through scientific breakthroughs and inventions. Let the poor innocent Palestinian children have a life which hasing ucation, sports, and fun rather than extremism and destruction.
    Another gem from you. Ok please put down the crack pipe and explain how this is humane?

    1. Using chemical weapons on civilians?

    2. Shooting dead women, children, elderly and disabled people?

    4. Picking up and imprisoning young girls who are protesting?

    5. Harvesting organs from Palestinian families

    6. Chopping down olive trees so Palestinians have no income.

    7. Building roads on occupied land which Palestinians cant use.

    8. Stealing more land.

    There are more but I want you to sober up and answer these first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Exactly those rockets dont kill anyone. Its not just Hamas,there are various factions outside of it's control who see no other choice but to fight back in any way they can. Nothing they do will please people like you.

    Again you support the occupation of Kashmir so it's for you to laugh at the those who are oppressed by an evil regime as India is no different but I hope you never suffer the mental problems they are due to the state terrorism they face.
    Do you agree with what I posted about God telling Jews to take the Holy Land and not be cowards and lame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Another gem from you. Ok please put down the crack pipe and explain how this is humane?

    1. Using chemical weapons on civilians?

    2. Shooting dead women, children, elderly and disabled people?

    4. Picking up and imprisoning young girls who are protesting?

    5. Harvesting organs from Palestinian families

    6. Chopping down olive trees so Palestinians have no income.

    7. Building roads on occupied land which Palestinians cant use.

    8. Stealing more land.

    There are more but I want you to sober up and answer these first.
    Israel has the right to defend itself from any aggression. When Palestinians fire rockets in Israel or carry out suicide bombing in public buses killing innocent people, what do you expect from Israel? Present a garland in return?

    Before every strike, Israel issues a warning before-hand, none does that. Palestinian's existence is a proof of Israel's kindness otherwise it would be a matter of hours to completely cleanse them. Israel has no desire to kill all the Muslims but the vice versa is not true. Palestinian demand is to cleanse occupied land from all Jews.

    I did not see the same pain when Muslims built a mosque right where the temple of Solomon was. What kind of hypocrisy is that the same mosque is revered but Israel is condemned to take back their land which they as a matter of fact either legally purchased from the Palestinians or gained through a war which was waged upon them by Arab countries. They even offered the land back but Palestinians got greedy and wanted complete elimination of Jews. Egypt and Syria played it wisely and got their lands back.

    Palestinians have none but themselves to blame for their predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Why are you so obsessed with India and Hindus? At least I was a Muslim in the past so I can feel more confident to talk on Abrahamic faiths.

    Hinduism is a very flexible philosophy. It does not require one to pray 5 times nor does it prohibit people from working during the Sabbath. Neither, does it tell you that the path to the Lord is only through Jesus. There is a reason you will never hear Hindus creating trouble anywhere in the world. Hindus and Buddhist are the most peaceful people in the world who just like to mind their own business rather than poking their noise in other people's business or telling others what is right or wrong. A Hindu may not drink alcohol himself but he will have no problem is anyone else drinks it in his community.
    You gave the reason yourself why I am obsessed with Indians and Hindus. Your eulogies to the Hindu faith are the very reason why we should learn more about it rather than witter on about Israel or Abrahamic faiths. As an ex-Muslim who so loves the beauty of Hinduism you should be delighted to share the faith with others who want to learn instead of getting defensive saying "Boo hoo! why do you keep talking about Hindus??!!"

    Beautiful faiths and philosophies are there to be shared, so start spreading some positivity like I do.


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    Peace will only come once Israel eradicates Hamas

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Do you agree with what I posted about God telling Jews to take the Holy Land and not be cowards and lame?
    Jews were sent into exile until the messiah arrives & the temple is built . Neither has happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Israel has the right to defend itself from any aggression. When Palestinians fire rockets in Israel or carry out suicide bombing in public buses killing innocent people, what do you expect from Israel? Present a garland in return?

    Before every strike, Israel issues a warning before-hand, none does that. Palestinian's existence is a proof of Israel's kindness otherwise it would be a matter of hours to completely cleanse them. Israel has no desire to kill all the Muslims but the vice versa is not true. Palestinian demand is to cleanse occupied land from all Jews.

    I did not see the same pain when Muslims built a mosque right where the temple of Solomon was. What kind of hypocrisy is that the same mosque is revered but Israel is condemned to take back their land which they as a matter of fact either legally purchased from the Palestinians or gained through a war which was waged upon them by Arab countries. They even offered the land back but Palestinians got greedy and wanted complete elimination of Jews. Egypt and Syria played it wisely and got their lands back.

    Palestinians have none but themselves to blame for their predicament.
    I gave you a list . We can discuss the reasons but first explain how those policies & actions are humane or the hallmarks of the most humane regime in history ?

    If you donít have the ability to address each point it means you talking out of your backside .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    You gave the reason yourself why I am obsessed with Indians and Hindus. Your eulogies to the Hindu faith are the very reason why we should learn more about it rather than witter on about Israel or Abrahamic faiths. As an ex-Muslim who so loves the beauty of Hinduism you should be delighted to share the faith with others who want to learn instead of getting defensive saying "Boo hoo! why do you keep talking about Hindus??!!"

    Beautiful faiths and philosophies are there to be shared, so start spreading some positivity like I do.
    Polytheism is less evil than Monotheism which has carried out several genocides since its inception. The analogy is a grilled chicken burger. Of course, it is still bad for you but it is less bad than a big Mac.

    I do not love the beauty of Hinduism nor have I ever followed it. There is nothing wrong in appreciating good things in something that you do not agree to. Every religion has some good things and some bad things. For example, in Islam, I like the concept of Zakat. Even, though I do not follow Islam, I have the capability to appreciate good things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Jews were sent into exile until the messiah arrives & the temple is built . Neither has happened.



    I gave you a list . We can discuss the reasons but first explain how those policies & actions are humane or the hallmarks of the most humane regime in history ?

    If you don’t have the ability to address each point it means you talking out of your backside .
    Jews started to build the temple to fasten the arrival of the Messiah.


    Everyone should be happy.

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    Anyone who supports isreael is an absolutely shameful human being

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Jews were sent into exile until the messiah arrives & the temple is built . Neither has happened.



    I gave you a list . We can discuss the reasons but first explain how those policies & actions are humane or the hallmarks of the most humane regime in history ?

    If you donít have the ability to address each point it means you talking out of your backside .
    Israeli military is no saint. During conflicts, some inhumane acts happen. However, one needs to look at the bigger picture. Israel has shown great restraint when it comes to dealing with Palestinian aggression and constant state of war that has been imposed upon them by the Arab countries.

    I will still address your points:

    1. Using chemical weapons on civilians?
    International laws allow use of white phosphorous against non-combatants. It was Hamas and Hezbollah who used illegal human shields which caused civilian causality.

    2. Shooting dead women, children, elderly and disabled people?
    They are already dead, so what's the big deal? It is not like it would hurt them even more? When you are used as human shield, you lose the right to complain about shooting dead or disabled people.

    4. Picking up and imprisoning young girls who are protesting?
    What do you have to say about the Tel Aviv massacre in 2001 which killed 16 Israeli teenagers? So, it is ok for Palestinian kids to spit, slap, and kick at Israeli soldiers? They should be grateful that they were not shot.

    5. Harvesting organs from Palestinian families
    Israel admitted it and the practice ended more than a decade ago. Moreover, only Palestinians were not subjected to this ill practice. They even used bodies of Israeli soldiers.

    6. Chopping down olive trees so Palestinians have no income.
    Israeli army had no role in it. In fact, the soldiers dispersed the settlers who carried out this act.

    7. Building roads on occupied land which Palestinians cant use.
    They own the land now. They can build whatever they want on it.

    8. Stealing more land.
    They bought the land legally or won it war that was started by the Arab countries. Did Pakistan steal AJK?

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    Hamas should end the firing of rockets as the civilians of Gaza keep paying the price whenever Israel retaliates, not to mention Israeli civilians.

    However when you have a land, sea and air blockade of the Gaza Strip and effectively turn a densely populated area into an open air prison then people will inevitably lash out. It's all and well good asking for Gazans to improve their economic system. But when Israel imposes onerous restrictions on so many areas of life how's that possible ?

    Israel imposes many export restrictions on Gazans as well as restrictions on the import of materials necessary for local business, heavily impacting on economic and employment opportunities. Yet when Israel's economic needs demand it, these import restrictions are quietly loosened ! The Oslo Accords promises Gazan fishermen the right to fish 20 nautical miles off the coast but Israel deny them a livelihood by restricting them to 3-6 miles off the coast. Israel has also refused to permit the reopening of Gaza's airport.

    If you wish to defend this as necessary for Israel's security needs, what explains the fact students from Gaza cannot travel to the West Bank to study ? Or that foreign researchers cannot visit Gaza ? I'm not defending the undeniably brutal and odious Hamas but by choking economic growth and educational opportunities for young people - cannot Israel defenders see how a generation could become radicalised and lose hope in the political process ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Israeli military is no saint. During conflicts, some inhumane acts happen. However, one needs to look at the bigger picture. Israel has shown great restraint when it comes to dealing with Palestinian aggression and constant state of war that has been imposed upon them by the Arab countries.

    I will still address your points:

    1. Using chemical weapons on civilians?
    International laws allow use of white phosphorous against non-combatants. It was Hamas and Hezbollah who used illegal human shields which caused civilian causality.

    2. Shooting dead women, children, elderly and disabled people?
    They are already dead, so what's the big deal? It is not like it would hurt them even more? When you are used as human shield, you lose the right to complain about shooting dead or disabled people.

    4. Picking up and imprisoning young girls who are protesting?
    What do you have to say about the Tel Aviv massacre in 2001 which killed 16 Israeli teenagers? So, it is ok for Palestinian kids to spit, slap, and kick at Israeli soldiers? They should be grateful that they were not shot.

    5. Harvesting organs from Palestinian families
    Israel admitted it and the practice ended more than a decade ago. Moreover, only Palestinians were not subjected to this ill practice. They even used bodies of Israeli soldiers.

    6. Chopping down olive trees so Palestinians have no income.
    Israeli army had no role in it. In fact, the soldiers dispersed the settlers who carried out this act.

    7. Building roads on occupied land which Palestinians cant use.
    They own the land now. They can build whatever they want on it.

    8. Stealing more land.
    They bought the land legally or won it war that was started by the Arab countries. Did Pakistan steal AJK?
    Well done , your Zionist paymasters must have a had word.

    So from Israel is the most humane army in history to it's not a saint? Typical Zionists when challenged change their tune.

    1. Israel doesnt distinguish between combatants and non-combtants. HRW has a full report on the unlawful use of such weapons by the Zionist entity against Palestinian civilians.

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/2...hosphorus-gaza

    So either you were lying or ignorant, which is it?

    2. To shoot people to deaths, if it helps you. Is it ok for Israel to shoot and kill women and children?

    4. Countless children are including teenage girls are rounded up by Israeli terrorist soldiers, you have no answer.

    5.You failed to condemn the practice and are again lying as Israeli have been arrested this year for the same criminal acts.

    6.No role? Again youre LYING . Here is a one video of many.



    7. Lying again. They dont own the west bank and never will.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...051605433.html

    8. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers. You are lying again, Israel is taking more land which in law doesn't belong to them. How many links would you like?

    It seems you are just about lying through your teeth in every sentence but as an Israeli supporter this is the norm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Polytheism is less evil than Monotheism which has carried out several genocides since its inception. The analogy is a grilled chicken burger. Of course, it is still bad for you but it is less bad than a big Mac.

    I do not love the beauty of Hinduism nor have I ever followed it. There is nothing wrong in appreciating good things in something that you do not agree to. Every religion has some good things and some bad things. For example, in Islam, I like the concept of Zakat. Even, though I do not follow Islam, I have the capability to appreciate good things in it.
    So you can appreciate the beauty of polytheism but when I talk about it you start calling me names. I don't get it. You are an ex-Muslim, troodon is an ex-Hindu, and I am a church bell appreciating Brit. Come let us all explore inter-faith beauty together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    So you can appreciate the beauty of polytheism but when I talk about it you start calling me names. I don't get it. You are an ex-Muslim, troodon is an ex-Hindu, and I am a church bell appreciating Brit. Come let us all explore inter-faith beauty together.
    Before we can get to the interfaith thing, Palestinians should respect the word of Allah and let Jews settle in Israel. There are already a ton of Arabs living in Israel peacefully. So why not Palestinians join their Arab brethren in Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Yes I agree with you, it is pointless and stupid. I am just pointing out that even if they weren't bombing civilians, they still wouldn't have independence. Israelis want that land for themselves, that is why they build more settlements so they can house more Jewish immigrants from all around the world.
    Israelis don't protest on the streets, they have power in the right area and best in the world when it comes to lobbying. Palestinians are powerless and muslim world that claim to support them only do so for a show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Hamas have killed more Palestinians than Israel. They shoot suspects in the street like dogs.
    "they have killed more palestinians than Israel" and linking news of them killing few dozen "traitors" isn't the same.

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    Genuine question, not meant to be provocative. As a preface, I'd say I'm 90-10 Palestine (the only reason that I give Israel some 'points' is because it's probably the only place in ME where you can openly be atheist, gay and not have to fear for your life) if that matters. I'm not sure if this was Israeli propaganda, but didn't Hamas initially have something in their manifesto about wanting Jews to gather in Israel so they wouldn't have to hunt them globally? If true, do you reckon that hindered Palestine, as it made them look like a terrorist state, therefore less likely for other nations to be sympathetic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Well done , your Zionist paymasters must have a had word.

    So from Israel is the most humane army in history to it's not a saint? Typical Zionists when challenged change their tune.

    1. Israel doesnt distinguish between combatants and non-combtants. HRW has a full report on the unlawful use of such weapons by the Zionist entity against Palestinian civilians.

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/03/2...hosphorus-gaza

    So either you were lying or ignorant, which is it?

    2. To shoot people to deaths, if it helps you. Is it ok for Israel to shoot and kill women and children?

    4. Countless children are including teenage girls are rounded up by Israeli terrorist soldiers, you have no answer.

    5.You failed to condemn the practice and are again lying as Israeli have been arrested this year for the same criminal acts.

    6.No role? Again youre LYING . Here is a one video of many.



    7. Lying again. They dont own the west bank and never will.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...051605433.html

    8. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers. You are lying again, Israel is taking more land which in law doesn't belong to them. How many links would you like?

    It seems you are just about lying through your teeth in every sentence but as an Israeli supporter this is the norm.
    As I said it before when you impose a war against a country, use your own as human shields, and kill innocent Israeli citizens, you will see some retaliation from Israel. It is laughable to assume that if someone is a woman or a child then they should not be dealt with even if they are carrying out terrorism and killing innocent people.

    Israel was ready to give the land back but it was Palestinians who said no. They would not settle for anything less than complete elimination of Israel. By the way, it was Muslims again who captured the holy lands initially and built a mosque right where temple of Solomon used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    As I said it before when you impose a war against a country, use your own as human shields, and kill innocent Israeli citizens, you will see some retaliation from Israel. It is laughable to assume that if someone is a woman or a child then they should not be dealt with even if they are carrying out terrorism and killing innocent people.

    Israel was ready to give the land back but it was Palestinians who said no. They would not settle for anything less than complete elimination of Israel. By the way, it was Muslims again who captured the holy lands initially and built a mosque right where temple of Solomon used to be.
    Try studying history. A peoples land was given away to another people by a third party. Before this the Zionist wiped off villages killing people all over the holy land. It;'s idiotic to suggest the natives started a war agaisnt those who forced themselve upon their land.

    But then again, you justified the terrorist attack on the King David Hotel. You support Zionist terrorists, not much anyone can do to help you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Try studying history. A peoples land was given away to another people by a third party. Before this the Zionist wiped off villages killing people all over the holy land. It;'s idiotic to suggest the natives started a war agaisnt those who forced themselve upon their land.

    But then again, you justified the terrorist attack on the King David Hotel. You support Zionist terrorists, not much anyone can do to help you.
    Did Muslims destroy all the idols in Mecca and banish all pagan Meccans from their homeland? Yes
    Did Muslims banish Jews from Medina? Yes
    Did Muslims invade Jerusalem and built a mosque on a holy site? Yes
    Did Muslims invade India and built a mosque on a holy site? Yes
    Did Muslims bring down World Trade center and planned to build a mosque there? Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Did Muslims destroy all the idols in Mecca and banish all pagan Meccans from their homeland? Yes
    Did Muslims banish Jews from Medina? Yes
    Did Muslims invade Jerusalem and built a mosque on a holy site? Yes
    Did Muslims invade India and built a mosque on a holy site? Yes
    Did Muslims bring down World Trade center and planned to build a mosque there? Yes
    Muslims did 911 so they could build a mosque there Gold.

    This is the King David hotel after it was bombed by Zionists, killing 91 and injuring more. Since you support this do you also support future Zionist terrorism ie if they were to blow up hotels in Dubai, London, Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Muslims did 911 so they could build a mosque there Gold.

    This is the King David hotel after it was bombed by Zionists, killing 91 and injuring more. Since you support this do you also support future Zionist terrorism ie if they were to blow up hotels in Dubai, London, Pakistan?

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    Cleverly ignoring the fact that King David Hotel was used by the British forces so it was a legitimate military target.

    I mentioned 9/11 because Muslims should have respected the sentiment of the people rather than rubbing it on their face by building a mosque right on the spot. Then, they complain about Islamophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Cleverly ignoring the fact that King David Hotel was used by the British forces so it was a legitimate military target.

    I mentioned 9/11 because Muslims should have respected the sentiment of the people rather than rubbing it on their face by building a mosque right on the spot. Then, they complain about Islamophobia.
    How was it legitimate? Please explain? Was it Zionist land which was occupied by British. Even if it was do you think it's legit to bomb and kill 91 people in such a fashion?

    Muslims can build a mosque near ground Zero, why not? Besides its wasnt a mosque but multi faith centre. I know you have weak knowledge but here's a lightbulb moment for you. The World Trade Centre was designed with inspiration from Mecca. It;'s ok Ill educate you for free, anyone who supports terrorism need all the help they can get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How was it legitimate? Please explain? Was it Zionist land which was occupied by British. Even if it was do you think it's legit to bomb and kill 91 people in such a fashion?

    Muslims can build a mosque near ground Zero, why not? Besides its wasnt a mosque but multi faith centre. I know you have weak knowledge but here's a lightbulb moment for you. The World Trade Centre was designed with inspiration from Mecca. It;'s ok Ill educate you for free, anyone who supports terrorism need all the help they can get.
    Why are you replying to him yaar, he is the worst troll on PP there is. His bigotry is pretty much clear in not only this thread but many others.

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    An Israeli air strike has killed a senior commander of the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza.

    Baha Abu al-Ata died along with his wife when a missile hit their home, the group said. Four of their children and a neighbour were reportedly injured.

    Israel's prime minister said Abu al-Ata was a "ticking bomb" who was planning to carry out attacks on the country.

    At least 150 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza since the killing, which PIJ has vowed to avenge.

    Seventeen Israelis have been lightly wounded in rocket attacks across the south, according to the Barzilai Medical Center in the city of Ashkelon.

    Medics said an eight-year-old girl was also in a serious condition after collapsing as her family rushed towards a bomb shelter when an air raid siren sounded in Holon, south of Tel Aviv.

    Around the same time as the attack on Abu al-Ata, two people were killed and 10 injured in an Israeli air strike on the home of another Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader in the Syrian capital, Damascus, Syria's state news agency Sana said.

    Sana cited a military source as saying the PIJ leader, Akram al-Ajouri, was not harmed, but that his son was among the dead. Israel's military did not comment.

    PIJ, which is backed by Iran, has its headquarters in Damascus and is one of the strongest militant groups in Gaza.

    What happened in Gaza?
    An Israeli warplane fired a missile at a residential building in the eastern Shejaiya area of Gaza before dawn on Tuesday, causing an explosion that could be heard from kilometres away. The missile hit the third floor, killing Abu al-Ata and his wife.

    A PIJ statement confirming Abu al-Ata's death said he was its commander in Gaza's northern region and that he was undertaking "a heroic jihadist action".

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Abu al-Ata an "arch-terrorist" and said he was "the main instigator of terrorism from the Gaza Strip".

    "He initiated, planned and carried out many terrorist attacks. He fired hundreds of rockets at communities in the area adjacent to the Gaza Strip, whose suffering we have seen," he told a news conference in Tel Aviv. "He was in the midst of planning additional attacks in the immediate short term. He was a ticking bomb."

    The Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), Lt Gen Aviv Kochavi, said Abu al-Ata had undermined recent efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and the militant group Hamas, which runs Gaza and is considered a rival to PIJ.

    Mr Netanyahu warned there could be a protracted period of tension with militants in Gaza.

    "Israel is not interested in escalation, but will do everything necessary to defend ourselves," he said. "And I say in advance: This could take time. Patience and composure are required."

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    The Terrorist Jewish state has once against unleashed it's evil campaign of killing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The Terrorist Jewish state has once against unleashed it's evil campaign of killing.
    Indirectly they are ruling the world.

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    Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The Palestinian people deserve better.

    On the most part, Israel is a modern state which has contributed to so many advances. However, the current government needs to do better for the Arabs and stop with the atrocities, including land grabbing.

    There are 2 indigenous populations in Israel; the Jews and the Arabs. Both need to be treated equally. But Hardliners on both sides don’t want that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Hamas is a terrorist organisation. The Palestinian people deserve better.

    On the most part, Israel is a modern state which has contributed to so many advances. However, the current government needs to do better for the Arabs and stop with the atrocities, including land grabbing.

    There are 2 indigenous populations in Israel; the Jews and the Arabs. Both need to be treated equally. But Hardliners on both sides don’t want that.
    Please explain in detail why you are suggesting both are equally to blame for this conflict


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Please explain in detail why you are suggesting both are equally to blame for this conflict
    I don’t know the specifics of this particular incident, however launching rockets on Israel will not help the situation. Hamas is always doing this and gains nothing except Israel’s retaliation. In fact, they always happen to deliberately time it during Ramadan so that their people suffer even more and so they can claim how bad the Israelis are.

    The Palestinian people needs better leadership, one that is practical in securing their rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    I don’t know the specifics of this particular incident, however launching rockets on Israel will not help the situation. Hamas is always doing this and gains nothing except Israel’s retaliation. In fact, they always happen to deliberately time it during Ramadan so that their people suffer even more and so they can claim how bad the Israelis are.

    The Palestinian people needs better leadership, one that is practical in securing their rights.
    Not just this incident but you suggested both are equally to blame? Or were you referring to this incident only? Either way, please justify both are equally to blame.

    How should the Palestinians respond?


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    How is launching rockets OK? Stop launching the rockets and Israel won’t retaliate.

    You think Hamas are the good guys? Maybe Israel has committed worse atrocities from blockading Gaza to land grabbing to killing, etc. But Hamas are just as bad with what they teach kids, using civilians as shields, etc. There is also a concern that they are corrupt and charity money goes into their pocket. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true because the same claim was made about Arafat.

    I don’t know how to resolve the Israel Palestine situation but they need to get rid of Hamas first.

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    Hamas also wants to kill all Jews as part of its policy. They want to commit mass genocide. That’s another reason why they are evil.

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    You still haven't given any detailed views on why both are EQUAL in blame as your posts suggest.

    If you can , I will be happy to expand but until then there is little point when a person believes an superpower occupying state which has been oppressing people for decades with the strongest military harware known to man and left theft on a huge scale are not any worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Hamas also wants to kill all Jews as part of its policy. They want to commit mass genocide. That’s another reason why they are evil.
    This is just a lie, perhaps you are ignorant so will give you the benefit of the doubt.

    If Hamas are evil, what is Israel?


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    If you are referring to since the formation of Israel, the I don’t have enough knowledge to say which side has been worse, but my initial assessment is to say Israel.

    However, I have been talking about recent issues and my main criticism is with Hamas who are far worse than Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    This is just a lie, perhaps you are ignorant so will give you the benefit of the doubt.

    If Hamas are evil, what is Israel?
    Was this not a part of their charter/covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    If you are referring to since the formation of Israel, the I don’t have enough knowledge to say which side has been worse, but my initial assessment is to say Israel.

    However, I have been talking about recent issues and my main criticism is with Hamas who are far worse than Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Was this not a part of their charter/covenant.
    No offence but you have little to no knowledge on this subject and to suggest Hamas is worse than Israel, would be embarrasing for me to debate with you. My advice learn in depth. No need to respond to this as I wont be responding back unless you can give details why Hamas is worse which you cant as nobody can argue such a foolish argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No offence but you have little to no knowledge on this subject and to suggest Hamas is worse than Israel, would be embarrasing for me to debate with you. My advice learn in depth. No need to respond to this as I wont be responding back unless you can give details why Hamas is worse which you cant as nobody can argue such a foolish argument.
    I would agree with you that on the history of the Arab-Israel conflict, you hold more knowledge as I have not studied it in depth. However, you haven’t exactly convinced me that Hamas is such a great organisation either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    If you are referring to since the formation of Israel, the I don’t have enough knowledge to say which side has been worse, but my initial assessment is to say Israel.

    However, I have been talking about recent issues and my main criticism is with Hamas who are far worse than Israel.
    It's like comparing apples and oranges, oh sorry I meant fireworks and white phosphorus.

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    Israel are the invaders and evil here, they are doing what invaders did ,in 1000 years maybe Arabs of Israel would be like we are glad Israel attacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Israel are the invaders and evil here, they are doing what invaders did ,in 1000 years maybe Arabs of Israel would be like we are glad Israel attacked.
    If they convert to Judaism maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    If they convert to Judaism maybe.
    Or the empire of Zionists who knows..glad you see the irony though

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No offence but you have little to no knowledge on this subject and to suggest Hamas is worse than Israel, would be embarrasing for me to debate with you. My advice learn in depth. No need to respond to this as I wont be responding back unless you can give details why Hamas is worse which you cant as nobody can argue such a foolish argument.
    So you asked me what should happen. As the expert, why don’t you educate me on what you think should happen? Do you want a 2 state solution or a single state solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    So you asked me what should happen. As the expert, why don’t you educate me on what you think should happen? Do you want a 2 state solution or a single state solution.
    Iím sure you see his posts , what do you think he wants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    Indirectly they are ruling the world.
    Israel rule the world? Thatís a remarkable achievement for a nation of less that 9 million. Well done Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    If you are referring to since the formation of Israel, the I don’t have enough knowledge to say which side has been worse, but my initial assessment is to say Israel.

    However, I have been talking about recent issues and my main criticism is with Hamas who are far worse than Israel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    Was this not a part of their charter/covenant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    I would agree with you that on the history of the Arab-Israel conflict, you hold more knowledge as I have not studied it in depth. However, you haven’t exactly convinced me that Hamas is such a great organisation either.
    Hamas would never have existed if Israel allowed Palestinians to have their homeland as per International law. They are merely a product of Israeli policies. I dont agree with all their methods but they have a right to self defence as occupied people. Hamas has many times stated they will accept a two state solution, so this cannot be wanting to kill all Jews.

    Hamas accepts Palestinian state with 1967 borders
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...114309725.html

    A group which is only in existance due to occupational policies and who haven't killed nowhere near as many people cannot be worse, this is commonse sense pal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    So you asked me what should happen. As the expert, why don’t you educate me on what you think should happen? Do you want a 2 state solution or a single state solution.
    Sure, it would be best for all but Israel has built so many illegal settlements in the west bank it will be very difficult to remove those extremist Jews from the occupied lands. So a one state solution where all Jews, Muslims, Christians and others live together, one man, one vote. But Jews believe God is their estate agent and gave them this land in their holy book, which is full of contradictions and false statements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Sure, it would be best for all but Israel has built so many illegal settlements in the west bank it will be very difficult to remove those extremist Jews from the occupied lands. So a one state solution where all Jews, Muslims, Christians and others live together, one man, one vote. But Jews believe God is their estate agent and gave them this land in their holy book, which is full of contradictions and false statements.
    In a recent survey, 43% of Israeli Jews claimed they were secular Jews, about half of which believed in God. Some of them are likely to be Atheist Jews. I think Zionism is the prevailing ideology for them claiming a homeland as opposed to religion.


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