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    [VIDEO] ICC clears Liam Plunkett of ball-tampering



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    Must have very strong wrists
    Aj kal everyone is rubbing the ball etc

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    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    Their were 700 runs scored with the ball smacked all around. It’s understandable to see the ball become like that. But why was the ball not changed???

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    How did the umpires not notice the condition of the ball.
    Hard to hit that thing past the 30 yard circle.

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    Let's see if ICC is gonna look the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethan hunt View Post
    How did the umpires not notice the condition of the ball.
    Hard to hit that thing past the 30 yard circle.
    both batsmen on the crease and umpire where dumb.

    Also These stupid umpires give 3 to 4 closed wide in favor of england .
    Last edited by saeed5646; 12th May 2019 at 17:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    Which type of bowl was this

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Which type of bowl was this
    even in local cricket we don.t allow ball with these condition as it do weird thing in the air and can be difficult to connect with middle of bat

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    Good to know, we made them that afraid and desperate that they had to go for unethical tactics.

    Poms made a lot of fun of aussies after that ball tempering incident so are we going to see one year ban on Morgan, Plunkett and Woakes and that too before the WC in their home where they are being considered favourites.

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    Plunkett is clearly using his nails which falls under ball tempering.

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    The video could have been doctored - so all allegations at the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    even in local cricket we don.t allow ball with these condition as it do weird thing in the air and can be difficult to connect with middle of bat
    I meant what’s the name of the bowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The video could have been doctored - so all allegations at the moment.
    The footage is from the 42nd over.

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    Tempering with ball. Clearly. If the video is legit this should invite an investigation.

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    Nothing wrong in what he was doing.

    It's usual stuff, all the bowlers do it, i.e. rub one side to make it shine.

    He's not scratching the ball with his nails, and it's not evident from the poor quality video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Tempering with ball. Clearly. If the video is legit this should invite an investigation.
    Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

    Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

    Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.
    Good work. Now we know how Willey got those yorkers going, I also mentioned in the match thread that I have never seen him bowling such yorkers consistently before and that turned out to be the difference in death bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.
    In what video do you see his nails going into the ball? Post it here.

    The one in this thread is just fine or not clear enough to show his NAILS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    surely not

    thats look like something you find at the bottom of the kit bag


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    In what video do you see his nails going into the ball? Post it here.

    The one in this thread is just fine or not clear enough to show his NAILS.
    Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?
    It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.

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    Most teams tamper with the ball. Australia just got caught out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.
    The ball has been battered from only one side?? Strange indeed.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.
    Yes and balls have been changed in other matches much much before it becomes that rough. So clearly ball started to deteriorate in the last powerplay 40-50 overs and should have been changed then but it was never changed.

    This ball couldnt have gone through that ring through which they pass the ball to check their shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    The ball has been battered from only one side?? Strange indeed.........
    Taking better care of one side of the ball much better than the other is hardly new is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Yes and balls have been changed in other matches much much before it becomes that rough. So clearly ball started to deteriorate in the last powerplay 40-50 overs and should have been changed then but it was never changed.

    This ball couldnt have gone through that ring through which they pass the ball to check their shape.
    It's been rare for balls to be changed in ODIs (other than when they're lost) since we changed to the 2 new balls rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Taking better care of one side of the ball than the other is hardly new is it?
    Taking care of the ball and the ball gettered battered are two different phenomenons. If the ball is battered then it would be uniformly battered and not from just one side as shown in the picture

    Taking care of the ball is to make sure that shiny side is not dampened by the sweat which comes from the palm (that's about it!), it does not take into account the overall shape of the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Taking care of the ball and the ball gettered battered are two different phenomenons. If the ball is battered then it would be uniformly battered and not from just one side as shown in the picture

    Taking care of the ball is to make sure that shiny side is not dampened by the sweat which comes from the palm (that's about it!), it does not take into account the overall shape of the ball.
    There's nothing indicating the ball is misshaped, just some tufts of leather on it. Something that could be held down with saliva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    It's been rare for balls to be changed in ODIs (other than when they're lost) since we changed to the 2 new balls rule.
    But still it doesnt allow umpires to not do their job just because two new balls are being used. Its their job to maintain fair playing conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    There's nothing indicating the ball is misshaped, just some tufts of leather on it. Something that could be held down with saliva.
    Really?
    Looks like the balls been in a cage in GB for the last 5/6 years


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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    There's nothing indicating the ball is misshaped, just some tufts of leather on it. Something that could be held down with saliva.
    For reverse swing you dont need ball to be mishaped, you need it to be roughed up which it clearly was and that creates unfair advantage as you can now get your yorkers going with more effectiveness.

    This condition of the ball was not normal, its an international match happening not a gully cricket match and umpires should have intervened much before it got to that condition and should have investigated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    surely not

    thats look like something you find at the bottom of the kit bag
    I didn't play cricket other than at recreational league level and you wouldn't find a ball like that in the bottom of my kit bag. Aren't the umpires meant to cut off bits of leather flapping around when they come away from the ball?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I didn't play cricket other than at recreational league level and you wouldn't find a ball like that in the bottom of my kit bag. Aren't the umpires meant to cut off bits of leather flapping around when they come away from the ball?

    yes they are, but the context I was talking about was that really old ball that you find where the seam is ruptured and bits hanging off, like something that was left in a puddle and chewed on by the park dog, thats what it reminds me of


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    That's pathetic really.


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    @Saj this picture is from the final ball of the innings.

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    Clearly tampering.... had a Pakistani bowler done it he would have been banned by now and the whole Pakistani nation held responsible for it. I guess the rules are different depending on the color of your skin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?
    It's from the last over, I think some of the pieces sticking out should have been cut maybe.

    Looks like wear and tear, rather than someone pulling it apart with nails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    It's from the last over, I think some of the pieces sticking out should have been cut maybe.

    Looks like wear and tear, rather than someone pulling it apart with nails.
    Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.


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    None other than our captain was at the crease , why didnt he protest about the condition of the ball?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.
    Not sure if I should even reply to that level of IQ posts.

    How do you control what side will smash the bat and hit the concrete? It can't be "even"!

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    If you guys have played with white ball cricket it's totally normal for white ball to chip like that but from only one side is super fishy

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    Clearly there's some tampering going on. One must remember that the likes of Plunkett and Woakes are under pressure to perform or they'd lose their spots to archer and wood. Anyway I don't expect anything to happen. There was footage of the English bowlers tampering on SA tour in 2009/10 and also in CT '13 but guess what? Nothing happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Not sure if I should even reply to that level of IQ posts.

    How do you control what side will smash the bat and hit the concrete? It can't be "even"!





    You cannot control which side of the ball gets smashed and hence the wear and tear is "even".... because over a long enough period both sides of the ball experience roughly same level of wear and tear, and not like the ball above where one side seems like brand new and other has craters. Sort of like if you toss a coin 10 times you might get 7 heads and 3 tails but if you toss a coin 100 times then heads vs tails will be very close to 50:50. In any case I didn't expect you to get it considering the level of knowledge displayed by you on this forum. For some people ignorance is truly bliss.


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    If that is the condition of ball in the 42nd over then why didnt umpires change the ball....the ball also got a lot of hammering in the england innings but that didn't look like that....what were umpires doing...

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    That explains why Willey became unplayable in the death overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    None other than our captain was at the crease , why didnt he protest about the condition of the ball?
    He's a meek character. Didn't even show signs of distress over marginal wideballs going English way

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    Icc says no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

    Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.
    Well done.

    So it means that clearly the ball has been tempered with.

    1) plunkett is seen violently hamdling the ball with his fingers. Whether he used nails is not clear.

    2) Condition of one side of the ball looks considerably worse than the other side. Hence it means that either against all probability, one side of the ball hit the pitch and bat about 80% of the time to induce such wear and tear or that simply one side of the ball has been tempered with.

    3) They removed Rashid after 42nd over to bring on pacers. They started getting slight reverse after that.

    Hmmm. Fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post

    Surprise surprise, English players after all they cant cheat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    @Saj this picture is from the final ball of the innings.
    42nd over.

    It's from the video clip.



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    Ball tampering or not; that ball should have been changed.

    Pathetic umpiring and pathetic kaptaan of ours as well for not noticing.

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    I can not say, through the videos on show right now, if there was any ball tampering but something we can all see is the ball was in a terrible condition. With Pakistan's captain out there for the last 5 overs, he really should have taken the lead and pushed for one of those balls to be changed.

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    Well done for ICC for reacting in record time!

    Amazing reflexes to pull-off a blinder!


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    Even if he was, the ICC wouldn't dare to take action just before the world cup.

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    Can't tell from that video. Anyone have an HD copy? That ball should have been changed though.

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    I am more concerned by the umpiring with regards to the wides in the last 5 overs. Willey put some balls there that in any normal situation would have been called wides. That was a pathetic display of umpiring.

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    At lower levels of cricket, umpires are real harsh on wides.. bowlers don’t get any respite. On the line is a wide.

    I believe international laws are different. On the line is NOT a wide. And marginal calls belong to the umpire. To me none of the balls I saw looked like wides. Maybe a few shorter ones that were not given could be wides but the lateral line calls were all fine and I saw the entire match...

    Remember, if the ball goes wide of the line after passing the batsman, it’s not a wide. Our batsmen were pretty poor to anticipate this tactic. I would have targeted cover/ extra cover when willey was bowling. It seemed our guys were hell bent on playing ridiculous leg side scoops or hoicks to wide full balls on 9th stump. You could also try switch hit or reverse sweep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    42nd over.

    It's from the video clip.
    The video clip is edited. You'll notice it's Plunkett holding he ball and Woakes bowling it. It's the final ball of the innings.
    Last edited by HitWicket; 13th May 2019 at 00:12.

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    Pakistan didn't see anything wrong with the ball as they were happy seeing Sarfraz not even being able to hit the ball outside the 30 yard circle.

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    Record-quick response from the ICC........Tabdeeli.



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    Pakistan got screwed here

    ICC should have reversed the decision of the match

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    When it comes to White England players, no “compromise” from ICC

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    End of the matter.

    We should move on to better things, conspiracy theories won't yield anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    The video clip is edited. You'll notice it's Plunkett holding he ball and Woakes bowling it. It's the final ball of the innings.
    Nobody claimed that it was plunket bowling in the clip. Everybody is saying that plunkett was handling the ball in 42nd over and then clip of woakes bowling is from final over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.
    Evenly? Lol. Good joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifaqat View Post
    Pakistan got screwed here

    ICC should have reversed the decision of the match
    I hope you’re kiding
    The icc have their hands full as it is


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    Can I just add, I'm 100% sure I saw the same ball [?], or similar condition at-least, when Hasan Ali bowled at Buttler.


    "When You Have Eliminated The Impossible, Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be The Truth!

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    ICC is bias and a sell out to the big 3, Pakistani fans should not let this drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 786pk View Post
    ICC is bias and a sell out to the big 3, Pakistani fans should not let this drop.
    Zero chance of that.

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    Ah yes.

    The famous conspiracy theory when we lose.

    On to the next match.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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    Bro, our players close their eyes while batting, so they will not see the condition of the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Can I just add, I'm 100% sure I saw the same ball [?], or similar condition at-least, when Hasan Ali bowled at Buttler.
    You're not the only one. I felt same too when I watched that leg side six by Buttler. I was wondering how such a ball can be used
    Last edited by BreadPakoda; 13th May 2019 at 12:16.

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    Liam Plunkett will be feeling lucky that he plays for England.

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    So now we are going to blame the condition of the ball for our loss.
    Lol, we all know Sarfraz and Faheem late order hitting already

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    have a look at the vids from the royal one day cup in the UK, the ball condition is consistent with the latter overs of the game i.e. this is the normal condition for the ball at that stage of the game, therefore ICC won't act, regarding plunkett he is just "cleaning" the ball, this excuse has been used by england many times before until it is proven beyond doubt icc will never suspect or label england as tamperers.

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    Not saying the change of ball would've resulted in a Pak win. But this is a typical Pakistani behaviour. No match awareness at all. Even a 10 year old kid who plays gully cricket will ask for a new ball. More than anything, Pakistan lacks basic match awareness which is why we lose from winning positions.
    Last edited by saeedhk; 13th May 2019 at 15:19.


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    Can someone pinpoint me the exact moment in the video...

    Which over and which ball was it?

    I'll take a clearer video and upload it to establish the truth.


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