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    Umar Akmal can wreak havoc on bowling attacks under these English conditions

    We lack the kind of batsmen who can take apart bowling attacks, especially the pacers.

    The ones who can do that are very rare.

    Umar Akmal
    Sharjeel
    Asif Ali

    Asif will be in the world cup squad, most likely. Not certain.

    But, we badly need one more. Umar Akmal is the perfect choice for these pitches. He's in hot form and just won his team the premier one day domestic tournament.

    Mickey Arthur needs to set aside his ego and pick Umar, who can be our Butler. There's still time. We need to think and act fast.

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    Please. Just stop.

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    First Asif, now Umar. How many China ke Buttlers do we need in our team?

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    It a about 350+ scores this world cup. I agree with you.

    Imam
    Fakhar *
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    Akmal +
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    Shaheen

    Hafeez and Haris should bowl 10 overs. There's no point having 5 genuine bowlers this WC. Everyone will go for runs, specialist or part timer.

    So have strong batting line up who can score 360+ consistently.

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    Definitely.

    If Asif Ali is scoring 50s then Umar Akmal would surely be scoring much more.

    We are dearly missing Umar Akmal & Sharjeel Khan.

    Plus I think Sarfraz knows how to handle Umar Akmal since they played together for Quetta

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    I feel Asif Ali doesnít have the ability to play a long innings he will be found out against quality short pitch bowling. Hafeez once he crosses 50 wins matches. He should bat at Asifís position. Shadab in for imad and Amir for faheem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    Definitely.

    If Asif Ali is scoring 50s then Umar Akmal would surely be scoring much more.

    We are dearly missing Umar Akmal & Sharjeel Khan.

    Plus I think Sarfraz knows how to handle Umar Akmal since they played together for Quetta
    The selectors gave Umar Akmal five games against a depleted Australian bowling attack to make a case for the World Cup. Unfortunately, Umar was not good enough to take this chance. Let's just move on, shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    The selectors gave Umar Akmal five games against a depleted Australian bowling attack to make a case for the World Cup. Unfortunately, Umar was not good enough to take this chance. Let's just move on, shall we?
    The World Cup is in not in the UAE where even the likes of Maxwell, Chris Lynn, Munro and other big hitters have struggled.

    Can we at least come to a conclusion UAE isn't England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    The World Cup is in not in the UAE where even the likes of Maxwell, Chris Lynn, Munro and other big hitters have struggled.

    Can we at least come to a conclusion UAE isn't England?
    Maxwell scored quite a few runs in the series as far as I remember.

    Umar, on the other hand, got out slogging in all five games

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    Umer Akmal is history. People must move on from him. He has had his share of chances and has failed everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Maxwell scored quite a few runs in the series as far as I remember.

    Umar, on the other hand, got out slogging in all five games
    Yes against a depleted Pakistani attack, majority of his runs came against Hasnain, Abbas, Yasir and Junaid.

    Point is the World Cup isn't in the UAE and you need players who can belt the ball.

    Right now we only have Asif Ali and if Asif Ali is scoring 50s then Umar Akmal would be doing even better.

    Slogging is exactly what we need in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    We lack the kind of batsmen who can take apart bowling attacks, especially the pacers.

    The ones who can do that are very rare.

    Umar Akmal
    Sharjeel
    Asif Ali

    Asif will be in the world cup squad, most likely. Not certain.

    But, we badly need one more. Umar Akmal is the perfect choice for these pitches. He's in hot form and just won his team the premier one day domestic tournament.

    Mickey Arthur needs to set aside his ego and pick Umar, who can be our Butler. There's still time. We need to think and act fast.
    A beautiful 40 of 31 balls with 2 sixes and 4 fours. And then got out 'looking good'
    If we wanted players that just looked good after 10 years in International we are just doing more of the last decade

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    I started following this guy on snapchat few days ago and the first impression was that this guy lacks basic intelligence.

    Pak cricket has really fallen to pieces where we produce trash like Akmals.

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    Iíd rather lose every game then have U Akmal in the team.

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    Whats that Einstein quote about doing things over and over again and insanity?

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    Does it matter much? With this bowling (& fielding), 6 Umar Akmals might not be enough. I think, enough of tinkering with batting - now, focus should be on bowling.

    Had Hari not shot his feet, PAK could have reached even 375..... that would have made 6 overs & 6 wickets into may be 5 wickets & 3 overs in English reserve bank ....

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    Lol.

    Umar is good for his 30s and 40s.

    The only havoc he would wreak would be to repeatedly get out and walk away with a "pained expression showing how the Gods have not aligned fairly to his cause".


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    We need Imran Nazir, Abdul Razzaq, Azhar Mahmood and Shahid Afridi as well, they all too can be our Buttler this WC

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    Yes

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    He can't. He will score quick fire 20-30 runs and then get out when it matters. Have been seeing this for last 10 years. No more UA please....

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    He has been a gone case for a long time now. Donít understand why some fans fail to see whatís blatantly obvious to everyone. The guy is simply not good enough for international cricket. What good would come out by investing in a failed case?

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    Asif Ali actually played with controlled aggression in these two innings. Somethings which Umar Akmal does not do. Just because we are in England does not mean his mentality will change and he will become a world beater .

    He had 5 matches against Australia and in a series where the likes of Haris , rizwan Abid Ali got centuries he failed to register even a 50. Is rightly not selected.

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    He would score 35 and get out
    Umar is nothing special just a hyped player


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    He repeated the same mistakes in the recently concluded Australia series - taking risks when there was absolutely no need for them.

    Time to move on from Umar Akmal. Lets invest in another lower order batsman.


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    Umar Akmal.will also get owned here just a minnow basher #hindsight bias


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    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    Umar akmal is a TTF of the highest rank. We have enough stupid players who have no game awareness already. Cant see another brainless player coming in again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naveedahmed1 View Post
    I feel Asif Ali doesn’t have the ability to play a long innings he will be found out against quality short pitch bowling. Hafeez once he crosses 50 wins matches. He should bat at Asif’s position. Shadab in for imad and Amir for faheem.
    There will always be a couple of weak links in the playing XI. You can play your best team in a few matches, but some of your first Choice players will miss some matches, due to injury or you simlply want to rest them because the WC is quite long.

    That is also why England are not topping their team, they are testing how it will og if some of the top players are not available (of course they are also trying to finalize the last 15 for WC).


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    And main problem With Umar Akmal on the Field:

    He will look good for 40 odd runs and then play his usual poor shot and show his strange grimace. So just give him the best wicket in the world and the poorest bowlers on Earth, he will still play that rubbish shot...


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    No he can't.

    Like Sarfaraz, he has limited skill, patience, and momentum to only last 30-40 runs. Not the horse for the long race.

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    No , playing conditions don't matter to akmal at all. he will be same amount of idiot on every pitch on earth.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    lol some people never learn. If you haven't noticed batting doesn't seem to be a problem on these pitches (unless your fat and overweight and called Haris Sohail or Imad wasim). Our bowling is the problem. Where have teh plans from the CT17 gone? that was the perfect way to stop these phatta pitch batting lineups??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    The World Cup is in not in the UAE where even the likes of Maxwell, Chris Lynn, Munro and other big hitters have struggled.

    Can we at least come to a conclusion UAE isn't England?
    This is an important distinction that some fail to grasp.
    @Usman Chadda Umar can be excellent on the surfaces we're seeing in Eng. No variable bounce, ball not staying low, coming on to the bat perfectly.

    Ideal conditions for a player like Umar. He showed that numerous times recently in the PSL and domestic List A final played on a good pitch.

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    With the exit of Hafeez and Malik you will definately see Umar Akmal back. The biggest concern right now is the bowling. We need bowlers who can pick up ten wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    With the exit of Hafeez and Malik you will definately see Umar Akmal back. The biggest concern right now is the bowling. We need bowlers who can pick up ten wickets
    All bowling attacks will concede 300 plus runs on these pitches and boundaries. Will struggle.

    Batsmen will win you the cup. The sooner we realize this, the better for our chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    All bowling attacks will concede 300 plus runs on these pitches and boundaries. Will struggle.

    Batsmen will win you the cup. The sooner we realize this, the better for our chances.
    the irony is that the western teams cry about flat phattas when they go to India but when they produce these disgraceful pitches in the uk we hear how england are a superteam!! that pitch was a disgrace of a cricket wicket and so was the last one!! 700 plus runs and not a single bowler looked good..

    we should just get our spinners on these bunsen burners as soon as possible..no point wasting shaheen and co on these flat tracks..or just pack the team with batsmen who can bowl a bit..whats the point destroying your fast bowlers if these are the pitches we are going to get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    the irony is that the western teams cry about flat phattas when they go to India but when they produce these disgraceful pitches in the uk we hear how england are a superteam!! that pitch was a disgrace of a cricket wicket and so was the last one!! 700 plus runs and not a single bowler looked good..

    we should just get our spinners on these bunsen burners as soon as possible..no point wasting shaheen and co on these flat tracks..or just pack the team with batsmen who can bowl a bit..whats the point destroying your fast bowlers if these are the pitches we are going to get?
    If any team cries about flat pitches when going to the subcontinent, I think that's their double standards indeed.

    However, I don't think any team has done that in recent times? Because now, LOI pitches are super flat in Aus and England.

    Fast bowlers are kind of reduced to becoming bowling machines. I still think if you have extraordinary skills, you should be able to do something. Bowling yorkers at the death, how difficult is that?


    We lack good spinners and that's hurting us in the middle overs. After chucking got banned, we haven't produced anyone good enough.

    Regardless

    Other teams have adapted to these batting conditions and they have super strong batting sides, capable of winning the cup.

    We need to adapt too.

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    They all can, but not for a sustainable amount of time. They all lack the concentration required

    Asif Ali should score 75+ scores on these tracks. Harris Sohail casually running himself out when he was all set to bat all day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    This is an important distinction that some fail to grasp.
    @Usman Chadda Umar can be excellent on the surfaces we're seeing in Eng. No variable bounce, ball not staying low, coming on to the bat perfectly.

    Ideal conditions for a player like Umar. He showed that numerous times recently in the PSL and domestic List A final played on a good pitch.
    With all due respect @Hawkeye, when was the last time Umar performed in international cricket in any condition? His dismissals against Australia had less to do with the pitch, and more to do with his non-existent temperament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    With all due respect @Hawkeye, when was the last time Umar performed in international cricket in any condition? His dismissals against Australia had less to do with the pitch, and more to do with his non-existent temperament.
    Let go of the history, which is a bit complicated and not very straight forward.

    In recent past, he has done amazing. Ignore the UAE series, no batsman can enjoy playing in the UAE.

    We can agree to disagree. ;)

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    Umar Akmal should have made the squad ahead of Shoaib Malik. He should have been given the gloves (or Rizwan).

    No matter how much we can detest Umar Akmal for his antics, no one can deny he's at least 2 levels above Sarfraz with the bat.


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    Forget akmal we should bring imran Nazir back
    He definitely has the quality to ram those fullish wides with his skills


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    ODI stats of the Pakistan batsmen at #6 since 2015 World Cup - against main teams.

    His worst performance was better than other regular batsmen at #6.

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    There was absolutely no reason not to take Umar in this English tour. Like Amir, may not be in 15 men squad, but they should have taken him for this series for sure, and he is the back-up WK as well.

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    Akmal mafia back at it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    There was absolutely no reason not to take Umar in this English tour. Like Amir, may not be in 15 men squad, but they should have taken him for this series for sure, and he is the back-up WK as well.
    Unfortunately ..... personal likes and dislikes have ruined a lot of careers! Umar Akmal is not the only one!

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    Akmal would make a pretty 30 before getting down on one knee holing out to deep midwicket, giving his trademark anguished toothy grin before heading off to an Akon concert.

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    I like UA, he keeps PP interesting.

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    He would have made the team on merit after Pakistan Cup performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Unfortunately ..... personal likes and dislikes have ruined a lot of careers! Umar Akmal is not the only one!
    Worst part is when these personal likes and dislikes have come from the players from the 90's.

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    Fans will keep saying UA "can/Should/will/may be/should have....." break hell on opponent's bowling attack...

    You will never see any where "UA did it for pakistan" LOL yet the UA fan brigade keep coming up... just like whack a mole...

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    What some of you need to understand is players like him don't come around often. Yes we know he has his issues but players like him need to be managed properly, this should be the goal of the team management to make full use of all the players that are available to them.

    I saw a comment by a poster saying they viewed Umar Akmal's snapchat and he didn't seem like an intelligent guy. No one said you need to have an MBA to play cricket, that shouldn't have anything to do with Cricket.

    It's the think tanks fault for not utilizing a player the caliber of Umar Akmal.

    Can't really expect much from our think tank to be honest, they are yet to figure out that spinners are needed in an ODI and Test matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    What some of you need to understand is players like him don't come around often. Yes we know he has his issues but players like him need to be managed properly, this should be the goal of the team management to make full use of all the players that are available to them.

    I saw a comment by a poster saying they viewed Umar Akmal's snapchat and he didn't seem like an intelligent guy. No one said you need to have an MBA to play cricket, that shouldn't have anything to do with Cricket.

    It's the think tanks fault for not utilizing a player the caliber of Umar Akmal.

    Can't really expect much from our think tank to be honest, they are yet to figure out that spinners are needed in an ODI and Test matches.
    No one is saying he needs a damn MBA. But ability to read the game is what makes a player..Junior has been a repeat failure under every management. This is not a management issue rather a player issue.

    Now come back with other lame excuses on why he has never delivered consistently in the last decade and how someone else is to blame for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    What some of you need to understand is players like him don't come around often. Yes we know he has his issues but players like him need to be managed properly, this should be the goal of the team management to make full use of all the players that are available to them.

    I saw a comment by a poster saying they viewed Umar Akmal's snapchat and he didn't seem like an intelligent guy. No one said you need to have an MBA to play cricket, that shouldn't have anything to do with Cricket.

    It's the think tanks fault for not utilizing a player the caliber of Umar Akmal.

    Can't really expect much from our think tank to be honest, they are yet to figure out that spinners are needed in an ODI and Test matches.
    Spot on. Good post this.

    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    No one is saying he needs a damn MBA. But ability to read the game is what makes a player..Junior has been a repeat failure under every management. This is not a management issue rather a player issue.

    Now come back with other lame excuses on why he has never delivered consistently in the last decade and how someone else is to blame for it.
    Please do not live in a fantasy world.

    Even at his worst, Umar Akmal has been doing better than others we had at his position of #6.

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    The only reason anyone is even contemplating Umar Akmal is because they have no confidence in the top/middle order to go for bust in the last 10 overs. We only have five batsmen in this team and three of them are accumulators. Then we expect glorified bowlers to come in and slog in the death overs when the opposition have their best bowlers zooming in wide yorkers.

    Who would you think can score in these situations? I am guessing very few Pakistani batsmen, certainly not Sarfraz or Malik. Hafeez maybe or Akmal if he can rein in his brain farts.


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    Pak has reached 350 plus twice in a row without him? why is this guy needed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Akmal would make a pretty 30 before getting down on one knee holing out to deep midwicket, giving his trademark anguished toothy grin before heading off to an Akon concert.
    HAHAHAHA deep midwicket or lbw on a straight ball from Moin Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    ODI stats of the Pakistan batsmen at #6 since 2015 World Cup - against main teams.

    His worst performance was better than other regular batsmen at #6.

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    All time ODI stats of the Pakistan batsmen at #6 - against main teams.


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    All time ODI stats of ALL batsmen at #6 - against main teams.

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    That's bonkers, didn't realise Umar Akmal is statistically the best #6 of all time in ODIs for Pakistan. I think he should be in the WC squad ahead of Malik either way.

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    Imam Babar Haris Sarfraz Malik are all incapable of scoring 70-80 runs of 45 balls which is what's needed on these wickets.
    Akmal and Fakhar are two batsman who can possibly Khushdil who's untested at international level.
    To get close to 400 and above more power hitters are needed as 350 is proving below par in English conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Pak has reached 350 plus twice in a row without him? why is this guy needed?
    To try and win games with some extraordinary hitting like England, instead of batting steadily to comfortable defeats.


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    In an ideal world, Sarfraz would be dropped for Umar Akmal, despite being a part-time wicket keeper.

    I would rather have a 20 ball knock of 30 runs from him, rather than 40 ball knock of 30 runs from specialist captain.

    Given that the pitches are so harmless for batting, there will hardly be any nicks behind for the wicket keeper to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Worst part is when these personal likes and dislikes have come from the players from the 90's.

    Not just from players of the 90s…… it has come from everywhere.......

    Players, captains, selectors, PCB Chairmen, fans, media, people who control social and electronic media….. etc.

    First example:
    I have stopped watching "Game On Hai" after I found out that how Dr. Nauman Niaz had a very hateful agenda against some players! But at the same time, some players were his darlings.
    In fact, I replied to one of his comments on his twitter account ... and he banned me!

    I guess, the point is that almost everybody with their vested interests, personal agendas and likes/dislikes.... have destroyed some brilliant careers and fooled the fans into believing that most decisions are being made in the best interest of the team.

    Second example:
    Umar Akmal's career was destroyed in the name of propaganda against his attitude...... but at the same time nobody had ANY issues with the attitudes of Shoaib Akhtar like players who had much worse attitude than Umar Akmal.

    But as they say.... world was never fair, is not fair and will never be fair!

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    You definitely need dynamic players to get you to that magical 400 mark!


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    And main problem With Umar Akmal on the Field:

    He will look good for 40 odd runs and then play his usual poor shot and show his strange grimace. So just give him the best wicket in the world and the poorest bowlers on Earth, he will still play that rubbish shot...
    Also give him 11 rubbish fielders who can drop 10 catches per 50 runs like his brother Kamran

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Not just from players of the 90s…… it has come from everywhere.......

    Players, captains, selectors, PCB Chairmen, fans, media, people who control social and electronic media….. etc.

    First example:
    I have stopped watching "Game On Hai" after I found out that how Dr. Nauman Niaz had a very hateful agenda against some players! But at the same time, some players were his darlings.
    In fact, I replied to one of his comments on his twitter account ... and he banned me!

    I guess, the point is that almost everybody with their vested interests, personal agendas and likes/dislikes.... have destroyed some brilliant careers and fooled the fans into believing that most decisions are being made in the best interest of the team.

    Second example:
    Umar Akmal's career was destroyed in the name of propaganda against his attitude...... but at the same time nobody had ANY issues with the attitudes of Shoaib Akhtar like players who had much worse attitude than Umar Akmal.

    But as they say.... world was never fair, is not fair and will never be fair!
    Akthar has performance to speak, while Akmal had that for his first 2 years and quickly became Afridi version 2.0

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    Fascinations for Akmalistan has to reach an end. Unfortunately doesn’t happen so far.

    Unfit, fatso, brain fades still people need him in the team.. simply crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Second example:
    Umar Akmal's career was destroyed in the name of propaganda against his attitude...... but at the same time nobody had ANY issues with the attitudes of Shoaib Akhtar like players who had much worse attitude than Umar Akmal.

    But as they say.... world was never fair, is not fair and will never be fair!
    Indiscipline in the case of Shoaib Akhtar shouldn't have been tolerated nor should it be with Umar Akmal.

    U Akmal has been involved in disciplinary infractions dating back to his U19 days when Mudassar Nazar threw him out of the Academy. He faked an injury on the 2009 tour of Australia to protest the dropping of his useless brother.

    He was named in Waqar Younis's reports after the 2015 and 2016 World Cups for poor discipline - and I'm no fan of Waqar's coaching tenure.

    He had a bust up with Mickey Arthur in 2017 for failing multiple fitness tests and then went running to the media to cry about it. This year when he was recalled yet again he still broke the team curfew despite being on a FINAL warning.

    To think Umar's attitude problems is just propaganda against him is frankly being wilfully blind. It's not like he even has the performances to back his case - since the start of 2015 he averages 27 in ODIs. TWENTY SEVEN.

    Only in Pakistan do we waste so much bandwidth discussing such mediocre players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    No one is saying he needs a damn MBA. But ability to read the game is what makes a player..
    Afridi is blamed for having a total inability read the game situation....and yet, ended up playing 500 plus matches for Pakistan.

    There is animal called "playing your natural game". Bob Woolmer is on the record for tell Afridi to play his natural game - regardless of the match situation. Which he and ended up winning close to 50 Man of the match award.

    Now ... just for the argument sake:
    If being able to read the game and play accordingly then nobody was biggest failure than Misbah on ODI when he was the captain because he could score at a decent S/R even if his life depended on it. Keep in mind, this hit a world record 52 ball 100 in test matches!


    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post

    Junior has been a repeat failure under every management. This is not a management issue rather a player issue.
    If you are talking about Umar's attitude.... then it was/is a complete failure of the management. I don't know, if you are a student or work in a professional environment.... but if you do work in a professional environment, then you see will that a manager has to deal with the different personalities..... from very difficult ones to very easy going ones. A good manager handles everybody with his/her managerial skills. Nobody just fires a brilliant worker based on his attitude.... 9 out of 10 times workers are fired based on their skills no because of their attributed!

    Shoaib Akhtar had the worst attitude during his playing days. Somehow captains, coaches and selectors dealt with him.

    But .... unfortunately Umar Akmal is not the first and will not be last player whose career is destroyed based on pathetic management skills.

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    No needed. focus on the bowling

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    There is high probablity he might be seen in a pub night before some important game

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    No one is saying he needs a damn MBA. But ability to read the game is what makes a player..Junior has been a repeat failure under every management. This is not a management issue rather a player issue.

    Now come back with other lame excuses on why he has never delivered consistently in the last decade and how someone else is to blame for it.
    His role is never defined, one game he's batting at 4 and the next at 6.

    The management don't know how to get the most of him.

    The management don't even know spinners exist so yes the blame goes on the management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Indiscipline in the case of Shoaib Akhtar shouldn't have been tolerated nor should it be with Umar Akmal.
    No... Shaoib's attitude was managed by people who knew a little bit man management skilled.

    In Umar's case .... he had to deal with the people who wanted him OUT OF THE TEAM! Those people succeded and team suffered and Malik replaced Umar.
    If I was running the team, I would take cricket skills of Umar with the attitude 10 times over a very humble poorly performing Malik!


    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    U Akmal has been involved in disciplinary infractions dating back to his U19 days when Mudassar Nazar threw him out of the Academy. He faked an injury on the 2009 tour of Australia to protest the dropping of his useless brother.
    He was punished… and you punish for the crime accordingly. You don’t hang somebody for theft!


    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He was named in Waqar Younis's reports after the 2015 and 2016 World Cups for poor discipline - and I'm no fan of Waqar's coaching tenure.
    Poor dicipline is a relative term.
    Mushtaq/Waqar/Wasim were arrested smoking pot on a beach in West Indies. Guess what? They returned to the team.
    Again, you punish/dicipline the player/employee but kicking them out is management failure.

    How do we know Waqar did not have personal vandetta agains Umar Akmal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He had a bust up with Mickey Arthur in 2017 for failing multiple fitness tests and then went running to the media to cry about it. This year when he was recalled yet again he still broke the team curfew despite being on a FINAL warning.
    When one needs to do something, one would find a reason. Our own brilliant selector who dropped Umar from the World Cup sqaud on the basis of fitness…… how fit he was in his playing day?
    What would you say about the fitness of Abid Ali and Harris Sohail?


    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    To think Umar's attitude problems is just propaganda against him is frankly being wilfully blind. It's not like he even has the performances to back his case - since the start of 2015 he averages 27 in ODIs. TWENTY SEVEN.
    27? That is still 10 runs BETTER than Malik’s average under Misbah…… Malik averaged 17.76 in 24 ODIs including minnows under Misbah!!! Yet, he was picked right after Misbah retired…. And still is in the team after many recent failures. Why? It all boils down to personal likes and dislikes … and having vested interests.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    No... Shaoib's attitude was managed by people who knew a little bit man management skilled.

    In Umar's case .... he had to deal with the people who wanted him OUT OF THE TEAM! Those people succeded and team suffered and Malik replaced Umar.
    If I was running the team, I would take cricket skills of Umar with the attitude 10 times over a very humble poorly performing Malik!



    He was punished… and you punish for the crime accordingly. You don’t hang somebody for theft!



    Poor dicipline is a relative term.
    Mushtaq/Waqar/Wasim were arrested smoking pot on a beach in West Indies. Guess what? They returned to the team.
    Again, you punish/dicipline the player/employee but kicking them out is management failure.

    How do we know Waqar did not have personal vandetta agains Umar Akmal?


    When one needs to do something, one would find a reason. Our own brilliant selector who dropped Umar from the World Cup sqaud on the basis of fitness…… how fit he was in his playing day?
    What would you say about the fitness of Abid Ali and Harris Sohail?




    27? That is still 10 runs BETTER than Malik’s average under Misbah…… Malik averaged 17.76 in 24 ODIs including minnows under Misbah!!! Yet, he was picked right after Misbah retired…. And still is in the team after many recent failures. Why? It all boils down to personal likes and dislikes … and having vested interests.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
    all of this predicated on the akmal is better than malik. neither should be there.

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    Man imagine if we had Sharjeel in these conditions.

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    He didn't take his chance in the Australia series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mp812 View Post
    There is high probablity he might be seen in a pub night before some important game
    Nothing wrong in that. Says the guy living in Manitba

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    this is a pointless thread....its like saying wouldnt Afridi wreak havoc, wouldnt Sharjeel Khan wreak havoc, wouldnt Kamran Akaml wreak havoc...why are we talking about a guy who has a 0% chance of making the team at this stage...


    The next time Umar Akmal should be brought up is....when we discuss the team for the 2020 t20 world cup, psl, or like another meme about his latest haircut or wardrobe choices :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    all of this predicated on the akmal is better than malik. neither should be there.


    No. You misunderstood.

    The point was.... how favoritism, nepotism, personal likes & dislikes and hypocrisy works in this world - more specifically for our team .....when it comes to our selectors, team management, cricket fans and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Spot on. Good post this.



    Please do not live in a fantasy world.

    Even at his worst, Umar Akmal has been doing better than others we had at his position of #6.
    Subjective opinion

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    Let's take a look at Umar's performance first.

    Last 5 years:

    1. Averages 27 at 83 SR
    2. Not even a single hundred
    3. Just ONE 50 in the last 5 years
    4. Averages 29 at 79 SR in Australia where pitches are as flat as England
    5. Averaged 27 at 80 SR in the last world cup

    Overall career against Australia, India, South Africa, England, and New Zealand:

    1. Averages 25 at 77 SR
    2. Averages 26 at 74 SR in multi-team tournaments against these teams
    3. Averages 21 at 79 SR in matches won

    Discipline issues aside, Umar does not even make the team on merit with these numbers. Neither is his average acceptable nor is his strike rate world class.

    Both Rizwan and Haris scored 2 centuries each and Abid scored one on debut in the same 5 matches in which Umar failed to score a single 50. The pitches were very flat to bat on which is evident by the high number of 100s scored by batsmen from both teams.

    Umar Akmal was a colossal failure in the previous world cup which was played on flat pitches. Got out on a duck against India, scored 13 vs South Africa, and 20 in the quarter final against Australia.

    Nothing but delusion suggests that Umar will wreak havoc on England's pitches.

    It is laughable to compare him with Shoaib Akhtar who was one of the best bowlers of his time. Akhtar was one of the top 5 fast bowlers of his time, Umar is not even among the top 30 batsmen of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post


    No. You misunderstood.

    The point was.... how favoritism, nepotism, personal likes & dislikes and hypocrisy works in this world - more specifically for our team .....when it comes to our selectors, team management, cricket fans and media.
    sure. there's favoritism.


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