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    [PICTURES] ICC refuses to change Cricket World Cup bails [Update post #25]

    Apparently 5 times (and counting!) - ball has hit the stumps but the bails have failed to dislodge during this World Cup!

    ICC needs to look at this very seriously.





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    pretty pathetic from the organizers - this happens at a crucial time and all hell will break loose.


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    Makes a mockery of the great game . Obviously these bails are not fit for purpose but not sure if the ICC can change them now .

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    Boohoo? Hafeez was bowled in the CT 2017 as well and the bails never moved.

    You need to hit the wickets with impact to get a wicket.

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    Bails must be on a cycle of steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    Boohoo? Hafeez was bowled in the CT 2017 as well and the bails never moved.

    You need to hit the wickets with impact to get a wicket.
    Bumrahs ball hit the wicket really hard

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    This definitely needs to change.

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    Heard someone say that these bails with blinkers are heavier and thus harder to dislodge.

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    What if they used one bail with blinker and one regular?

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    Nothing wrong with it.

    Get rid of two balls and keep one ball to balance it out instead of arguing over petty issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Bumrahs ball hit the wicket really hard
    What they need to do instead is not have the stumps buried in the ground as hard.

    It's such a nice visual seeing the stumps fly.

    If the stumps aren't buried in the ground as firm as they are now they have a higher chance of being uprooted.

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    Happened in World Cup 2015 as well!

    Misbah was batting against Australia and the ball clipped his leg stump, the stump and the bail, both lit up but the bail didn't dislodge!

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    Knowing our luck Kohli will absolutely smash it onto the stumps the bails wouldn't budge

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    The bails are not dislodging because the stumps have been firmly put into the ground.

    There needs to be some sort of movement in the stumps when they are hit for the bails to dislodge.

    The bails are the not heavier than the bails used in windy conditions. If the stumps move on impact (not necessarily uprooted) then the bails will fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Knowing our luck Kohli will absolutely smash it onto the stumps the bails wouldn't budge
    When he was smashing us in Asia cup 2012 his bat slipped from his hands overhead mid stroke to Umar Gul’s delivery and just missed the stumps by a couple inches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegitto1 View Post
    The bails are not dislodging because the stumps have been firmly put into the ground.

    There needs to be some sort of movement in the stumps when they are hit for the bails to dislodge.

    The bails are the not heavier than the bails used in windy conditions. If the stumps move on impact (not necessarily uprooted) then the bails will fall.
    Kohli mentioned in the post match presser that Dhoni checked the stumps after that ball & they were quite loosely thrust into the ground, so clearly it was not the case about the stumps being fixed too firmly. It has to be the LED bails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dildilpak View Post
    Kohli mentioned in the post match presser that Dhoni checked the stumps after that ball & they were quite loosely thrust into the ground, so clearly it was not the case about the stumps being fixed too firmly. It has to be the LED bails.
    Do we know what material are the stumps made out of now? Is it still wood?

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    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...azine-35934658

    Stumps are made out of composite plastic. Again, it may possibly be the case that the new stumps absorb the impact better than wooden stumps perhaps?

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    This is a disgrace, can they not change it mid-tournament to traditional Stumps/Bails so this does not happen anymore?

    What's important? Quality of Cricket or bails lighting up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    It happened in the 2017 CT final too.
    Towards the End of the Pakistan Innings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart View Post
    It happened in the 2017 CT final too.
    Towards the End of the Pakistan Innings.
    Yes happened to Hafeez. That was very late on though, I believe there were only 2-3 overs left so it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but yes, it's not great and shouldn't be happening, would be awful if it were to happen in a big game in this tournament, you don't want years of preparation to go to waste and perhaps be eliminated from cricket's biggest showpiece event that comes around once every four years just because a bail doesn't come off.

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    The bails being used at the Cricket World Cup will not be changed mid-tournament after the ICC insisted their repeated failure to dislodge despite the ball hitting the stumps is a "statistical anomaly".

    A bowler's delivery has struck the stumps five times in the opening 13 completed games of the tournament, only for the electronic bails to remain in place.

    The latest reprieve - for Australia batsman David Warner against India on Sunday - led to both country's captains expressing their disapproval of bowlers not being rewarded for their work.

    "We wouldn't change anything mid-event as it would compromise the integrity of the event - the equipment is the same for all 10 teams across all 48 games," the ICC said on Tuesday.

    "The stumps have not changed in the last four years. They have been used in all ICC events since the 2015 Men's Cricket World Cup and in a range of domestic events.

    "This means they've been used in more than 1000 games - this is a statistical anomaly. This issue has always been part of the game, with the accepted concept being that it requires some force to disturb a batsman's 'castle'."

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    The drama hasn't been limited to the Cricket World Cup, with another incident occurring during England women's one-day international against the West Indies on Sunday, as Tammy Beaumont escaped when Afy Fletcher's delivery firmly struck her off stump.

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    Why not just make the grooves a little less deeper so that the bails roll off more easily. Should fix the issue.

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    ICC is casually refusing every request in this World Cup.

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    Yes excellent ,lets also add a brick wall in front of the wicket to "restore the balance between bat and ball".
    Now the bowlers will need a cannon to knock the bails off.


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    The blinkers main purpose is to help with the runouts and the stumps already have these. There's not much need for these bails, you can see the stumps blink from side on a runout so just keep those and replace the bails untill lighter bails are manufactured, which I'm pretty sure is easily achievable.

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    Five times in 13 games since the start of Cricket World Cup 2019 a bowler has hit the stumps only for the electronic 'zing' bails to light up but stay firmly in place.

    The latest incident of the bails not being dislodged came when Australia opener David Warner edged India seamer Jasprit Bumrah on to the leg stump at The Oval and the bails stayed put.

    Sportstar reached out to Zings following widespread buzz around its 'immovable bails'. The company's director, David Ligertwood, backed the product, while stating that they were monitoring the situation.

    "The Zing wicket system has operated in well over a thousand games and this issue has not happened frequently. The recent cluster currently has us stumped," said Ligertwood.

    The zing bails have been in use since 2012, when they were approved by the International Cricket Council (ICC). They were used at the 2015 World Cup and have been regular fixtures in the Indian Premier League (IPL) and Australia's Big Bash League (BBL).

    "Zing is currently monitoring the situation, while reviewing all aspects and at the same time looking into whether there are some practical modifications that can be made in the future to make the bails come off easier," said Ligertwood, co-developer of the Zing wicket system.

    "Competing interests do need to be balanced in this context. For example, the game doesn't want the bails coming off too easily (making it difficult for umpires to place them without holding up play and meaning the wind may blow them off too often). And, for example, they need to not break.

    "This issue is obviously important as the game wants batsmen being dismissed when they should be. But even with this unusual spate of bails not falling it remains definitive and it remains the same for both sides," he added.

    The main materials used to manufacture the bails are polycarbonate casing, battery and electronics inside, and "exactly the same bails are always used. Unlike wooden bails which vary dependent on the density of the specific piece of wood," Ligertwood explained.

    "This issue isn't all about the weight of the bails, as a complicated interdependent range of factors come into play. The bails (various factors), stumps (various factors), stump grooves (depth and shape), pitch conditions (various factors), stump cam (various factors) etc all affect it.

    "Testing shows bail's weight isn't necessarily the most significant factor. So wooden bails sometimes don't come off. For example, in the women's ODI this week in the UK. At times the impact is quite hard and they don't come off," said Ligertwood.

    The ICC has made it clear that it will not review the usage of ‘zing bails’. “These perform exactly as the regular ones and, in fact, are lighter than those used by umpires when it is windy,” a spokesperson had said.

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    This WC has been a total disgrace anyways.

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    It’s the end of the 21st over of England’s first innings at Edgbaston. The Australian quick James Pattinson is finishing his seventh. He’s been rapid, moved the ball through the air, threatened constantly. He bowls the England captain, Joe Root, a combination of all three. Angle in towards the stumps, a hint of swing. Straightening off the seam to beat Root’s shot as he steps across to try to cover the line. A wooden sound, and the umpire gives him out caught behind.

    Root’s review reveals a spike on the waveform sound-tracking graph. But not when the ball passes bat. When it passes off stump. Another angle shows the stump moving sideways and back as the ball passes. The spigot of the bail slides in the groove of the stump but the bail does not fall. Root is bowled, but not out.

    Commentators watching this sort of scene fall over one another in disbelief. Goodness gracious, whatever has happened there? Who could have expected such a thing? Except it’s a freak occurrence, just as breaking the hottest summer on record every year is a freak occurrence. This year had the hottest June on record, which also contained a World Cup where five batsmen weren’t out when their stumps were hit.

    South Africa’s Quinton de Kock helped take four runs off England when Adil Rashid bounced the ball from off stump to the boundary. The Sri Lanka captain Dimuth Karunaratne carried his bat after Trent Boult couldn’t get him. The West Indies opener Chris Gayle was given out caught behind after Mitchell Starc clipped off stump. Mohammad Saifuddin of Bangladesh chopped Ben Stokes on to leg stump with a solid clunk. David Warner deflected Jasprit Bumrah back off his boot. None saw their bails disturbed.

    Perhaps this has been happening for ever and it is only with current television coverage that we notice it. But either way, it’s time for the custodians of crickets laws to think it over. It’s time to move past bails as the means of determination.

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    On a stint in the United States in 2016 I was often enough asked to explain cricket. Those who love it like to see it as supremely complicated because it makes us feel smart, but at heart it’s very simple. My 10-second version was that a player armed with a ball tries to hit a target while a player with a club tries to protect it. The latter also tries to hit the ball away to score. Easy.

    But with that simple tension between attacker and defender at cricket’s heart, we still have this situation where the attacker can triumph, beat the defence and not be credited with the result. That makes no sense in the modern professional sport.

    One response would be that we’ve always done things a certain way. Dislodging the bails is the means by which you bowl someone. It’s there in the Laws: “The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground.”

    But bails are there for a reason. Wind back the clock far enough and they didn’t exist, only the vertical stumps. The bails were added to help an umpire know when the stumps were hit. They were centred in the Laws as the only means of divination.

    In the present day we have more than enough technology to know when stumps are hit: waveforms, heat sensors, slow-motion cameras from a dozen angles. If we know the ball has hit, why must bails hold the power?

    That doesn’t mean that bails have to disappear. They can stay for the aesthetic effect of scattering in the air. They form part of the wicket, and a ball hitting them is a dismissal too. But if they existed only to decide whether a dismissal was effected, then they are not integral to the dismissal itself.

    It’s like obeying a pedestrian crossing on a deserted road: the light is there to achieve a purpose, but at times when the purpose becomes redundant then a society should not bow before the authority of the light.

    Fixating on bails doesn’t make sense. Leg before wicket is given based on whether umpires think the ball will hit the stumps, not whether it will hit the stumps hard enough. A DRS projection with the ball trimming by a micron is still out if the umpire has so ruled. Yet a real ball trimming the stumps may not.

    Of course, cricket has its charming idiosyncrasies that people want to protect. England just won a World Cup trophy thanks to one of them. But bowlers work so hard for these moments. It takes hours of toil and split seconds of consummate skill for someone like Pattinson to beat someone like Root. The foundation of the game is the battle of the target, attack and defence. Those who win that battle deserve their reward.

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    Seems that this isnt a World Cup issue!

    yesterday:



    Ravichandran Ashwin’s direct hit in the second session of Day 3 on Friday caused confusion in the middle. In the 62nd over of South Africa’s first innings, Dean Elgar played a cover drive and called non-striker Quinton de Kock for a quick single. Ravichandran Ashwin picked the ball up and had a shy at the stumps.

    The ball hit the stumps but umpire Richard Illingworth thought otherwise. Ashwin appealed for a run out but Illingworth thought that Jadeja’s hand removed the bails. Despite the reluctance, the 56-year-old referred it to the third umpire Nigel Llong.

    The replay showed that the throw had missed Jadeja’s hand but brushed the stumps on its way. As the impact of the throw was not much, the bail took longer than usual to fall off the stumps.

    Elgar’s bat was barely in the crease but the slow fall of the bail meant he made his ground with ease.

    Earlier the South African opener was dropped by Wriddhiman Saha off Jadeja’s bowling when he was on 74.

    The 32-year-old scored his 12th Test ton rescuing South Africa from a top-order collapse. His 115-run partnership with skipper Faf du Plessis for the fifth wicket helped the visitors make a comeback in the first Test.

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