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    [VIDEO] "I'm very passionate about Pakistan cricket and Pakistan" : Mickey Arthur



    5 July - Lord's - Pakistan Coach Mickey Arthur post-match press conference

    MICKEY ARTHUR: First of all, it would be remiss of me not to thank the ICC, Steve Elworthy and his team for an unbelievable tournament. I think this tournament has been amazing. I think the quality of cricket played has been exceptional, and the standard and organization has been second to none. So congrats to Steve and his team.

    I'd like to thank our players, our support staff, media, Pakistan cricket board and selection panel for the support that we've got through our World Cup campaign. It hasn't ended as we would have liked to have ended it. It's been a campaign of ifs and buts. I think, if we have a look through our first five games and we have a look through our last five, it's a campaign of two halves, which has been disappointing.

    I think at 24, the average age of 24, we're the youngest team by a long way in this competition, and that is something that we can be proud of, and I think that all goes well for the future of Pakistan cricket.

    We've showcased a lot of our young talent, and I think the likes of Shaheen Afridi, Babar Azam, Imam-ul-Haq, Shadab Khan, the list goes on and on. And some of our experienced players, Sarfaraz, Mohammad Hafeez, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Amir, have been outstanding. The work ethic and the sheer grit and determination they've showed through this tournament, through their training, through their preparation has been a credit to Pakistan cricket.

    A lot of the time, you guys don't see what goes on in the dressing room. You don't see all the time that goes on in the net session. The desire these guys have got to improve and become the best they can be, the passion they have for their country is something that is second to none. Pakistan cricket is in safe hands with these young players. I'm sure they'll go from strength to strength.

    If we look back on the tournament, as I said earlier, it was a tournament of ifs and buts, but I think we've shown it ended very, very strong. Congratulations to the four qualifiers. I think they've played the best cricket throughout this competition, and may the best team win.

    It's nice to sit here and know we've beaten two of those top four teams during our campaign, which shows we are not a mile off in terms of where we are as a cricket team. Just for me to end off with, again, just saying thanks to you guys and thanks to the support.

    I must say that I'd just like to credit the captain, Sarfaraz. After what he was exposed to after the Indian game was atrocious as a Pakistan cricket captain, as any captain of any cricket team, and the way he held his composure, the way he led from the front, the way his work ethic never, ever changed, the more determined he got through the tournament, I think he's been an inspiration to that dressing room, and I think Sarfaraz deserves a lot of credit for this as well.


    Q. Mickey, you had the experience of working with the South African team and with the Australian cricket team, and your contract is going to be expired after this World Cup, and you have showed your attention that you want to continue with Pakistan cricket. How do you compare coaching these three teams? Which was a good one for you?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    They've all been different in so many ways. I think the South African one was I was a very young coach and we were a very young cricket team, and we all grew together. The Australian team was good for certain periods of it, but it wasn't that long.

    The Pakistan one has certainly been a very, very fulfilling one for me. I have enjoyed every moment of the last three years. To see these guys improve, to see them get better, to see the passion, to see the support that we have around the world has been very, very satisfying, and it's been an unbelievable experience coaching these guys.

    I'm very, very passionate about these boys in the dressing room. I'm very passionate about cricket, and I'm very passionate about Pakistan. I just want to see Pakistan get to where they need to be. I would love to see cricket come back to Pakistan because I think the population, the people need it. The people would love it. The colour, the emotion would be second to none. I love every minute, and I have loved every minute of coaching this Pakistan cricket team.

    Q. Mickey, Pakistan had a mixed start in the opening four games. They picked up the momentum the last four games. What do you think the few main causes of Pakistan's not reaching the last four stage? We have improved over the last four matches. What are your thoughts?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    I think, if we go back, it's ifs and buts. If we go back, the West Indies game, the first game of the tournament, when you lose like we lost, it's almost impossible to get back on net run rate, and we saw that. So that was disappointing.

    We then picked up momentum. We beat England. And just as we got some momentum early in the competition, because we had played some good cricket before the start of the World Cup -- I think the nerves got us in the West Indies game, young team. We froze in that game. We then came back, dusted ourselves off, and beat England, then we got rained out against Sri Lanka, and we didn't play a game for nine days. We didn't train other than indoors, and we lost momentum again going into what was two very tough fixtures, Australia and India.

    Had we gone England -- I'm not saying by any means we would have beaten Sri Lanka, but we were right there. We were getting on really well. It was almost as if we had to start again, and we hit two of the semifinals teams in Australia and India. And then obviously second half of the tournament, I think, has been superb, and I think we've showcased our talent and played some very, very good cricket.

    Q. Mickey, five wins of eight matches that you played, but you were edged out. Do you think there needs to be consideration over that you should consider head to head as well?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    As I said to you, it's exactly right. I would certainly have liked them to consider head to head because then tonight we'd be in the semifinal. I do think it needs a look. I certainly do. I think amount of wins head to head, and then if there's three teams all together, then I think net run rate can sort it out.

    Because what it does and what it's done to us is that one very poor game and you really battle to recover again.

    Q. Mickey, you must have worked hard on the fielding and fitness of the players, but there's always a question mark. Why?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    Yeah, there is always a question mark, and it's something that we work incredibly hard at. We really do. We'll just keep knocking, knocking the door down in terms of working on that because we've seen an improvement. Our catching this tournament needs to improve. We know that. I thought our ground fielding and throwing improved through the tournament. I thought some of our ground fielding and the intent we showed through our ground fielding was what was very, very good. At this level, you can't drop catches, though, and, again, that's something we work on.

    As I said, our fielding coach Grant Bradburn works day in and day out. He works tirelessly with these guys. Again, it's just a matter of us to keep working, working, working because, when we get working, we condition the guys. When they're nice and fit, we'll be -- our fielding certainly will go to another level, and we've shown that it has stepped up. We need to step it up again.

    Q. Mickey, what was the plan today? Was it in your mind that Pakistan could score 400-plus and then get Bangladesh out? Was that in the minds?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a discussion. We did discuss it. But I think that was something that we could only assess once -- we did something right. We won the toss, which was a good start. That kept us alive. And then the first 10 overs were going to be quite crucial. You can't just walk in there and go, I think we're going to get 400. Getting 400 is a platform. You need to get a good base, and you need to move.

    The message we got from Fakhar when he came back in the change room was it was slow. Balls going into the wicket were quite tough. We realized that getting -- the average score, I think, is 270 over the tournament. I mean, getting 400 was a bit of a pipe dream. And then we realized we just wanted to win and we wanted to win well.

    I mean, the dressing room at the moment is a very, very disappointed dressing room. There's not high fives, and there's no congratulations going on because we haven't qualified. But the guys can leave this tournament with their heads held very, very high. They've worked unbelievably hard, and they've played some very, very fine cricket. You watch a highlight package of the World Cup, there's going to be a lot of Pakistani players on it.

    Q. You knocked out two of the final fours, and even then you are going back home. What sort of disappointed you and your team is? And the second question is what are the take-aways for you from this World Cup?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    First of all, it is disappointing, and I think it just goes back to the first game, the West Indies game. If we looked at the Australian game, we had an opportunity to win that. 145-2 chasing 307, we had an opportunity. We didn't take that opportunity. Those are the two games that, if I -- when I go to bed tonight and lie back and think on the campaign, those are the two nightmares I'm going to have.

    The good, pleasant dreams I'm going to have are of Babar Azam. His batting through this tournament has been superb. Imam-ul-Haq gets better and better and better. Shadab Khan is going to get better and better. Shaheen Afridi, coming back, is getting better and better. I'm so passionate about these young boys. These young boys are the future. These young boys need time.

    I heard Shoaib Malik mention it in his press conference, and I did understand a bit of Urdu. These young boys, we give them time, these young boys are going to be very, very, very good. What they do need is they need your guys' support. They really do.

    When we have a poor performance, our performances are going to be up and down. They're young cricketers. When they have a poor performance, they read everything you guys say. Sometimes I tell them not to because it kills them. They read everything. They need your guys' support. In order for Pakistan to improve, we're all in it together, guys. We need to improve together. And if we do that, the guys get support, these guys will go from strength to strength.

    Q. Mickey, although Pakistan have finished at number 5, the game versus West Indies, the game versus Afghanistan, we didn't play well. Even back home in Pakistan, the people who love cricket, who follow cricket, they are criticizing Pakistan team's performance. They think it's not a good show. It's a bad show. It's a flop show. What do you think?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    Sounds like glass half empty.

    Q. Let me complete. The captain is responsible? The coach is responsible? Who is responsible that we didn't qualify in final four and we didn't play well versus West Indies, Afghanistan, Australia?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    Afghanistan, if I forget, we got two points, didn't we? I think we managed to win that game. Hang on. That's glass half full, glass half empty. That's exactly what I was saying earlier about our media.

    Let's give these guys a little compliment, rather than looking at the negative. We're all responsible. I sit here responsible for it. The captain is responsible. We're all responsible for the fact we didn't get to the semifinal, but let's have a look at some of the good things the guys have done. Let's try to stay positive on this. It's always negative.

    Q. Coach, hopefully, you will be the next coach of the Pakistan cricket team. If it does not happen, what will be the message from you to the Pakistan cricket team, the management? And, of course, to the nation?

    MICKEY ARTHUR:
    Look, there's going to be a review now, and we'll see how that goes. My message, again, is let's stay positive. We've got some very, very young cricketers who are going to be champion players. Let's back them. Let's support them because they're going to be very, very good.

    Again, take our message to the supporters. The supporters in England have been amazing. The support we've got here is unbelievable. I think, I know, and my message to the players tonight is they've made a lot of people very, very proud.









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    Is he going then?

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    One side of me wants him to stay.

    The other says no he shouldn’t.

    But after all he is the coach who has improved our fitness and has got the best out of Babar and Shaheen.

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    Mickey has fallen short tactically and in terms of selection and backing of certain players too.

    Commend him for trying to instil a culture of good fitness and hope that is still taken seriously whether he stays or not.

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    For the sake of Pakistan cricket, he needs to stay.

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    Wouldnt mind him staying. The core is there he built the team. We won 5 games out of 8 in the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    One side of me wants him to stay.

    The other says no he shouldn’t.

    But after all he is the coach who has improved our fitness and has got the best out of Babar and Shaheen.
    He couldn't understand how asian team plays.

    Not playing 2 spinners in tests against SL and when we played in UAE is just mind boggling. Not only once he did that game after game. there is a reason he was booted from his last 2 stunts. I am sorry but he didn't do any good to pak cricket. We keep getting whopped by teams above Zimbabwe and keeps singing the same song of being passionate and work hard on fitness.. Time to move on and find a better coach

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    Part of me wants mickey arthur to stay and I hope he will stay but we seriously need a good batting and bowling coach.

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    Change the coach, won't change anything. Fans think changing coach is a magical fix.

    I think let him continue. The young core is there. Just please, finally get rid of the rotten seniors. And no comebacks for like of Kamran or whatever senior is flavour of the month.


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    Just leave and don't let the door hit you on your way out.


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    Hope he stays but also lets see what the options are. Overall this is a good team that deserved to be in the semis. So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    However there were also mistakes made. Firstly discarding and bringing back Wahab shows that their plans went up in smoke, secondly the management weren't strong enough to stand upto Hafeez & Malik - Haris should have batted at 4 throughout the tournament, and lastly why was Hasnain picked.....to make the tea obviously.
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    Absolutely agree about the Sarf part. Too bad he couldn't perform. But the way he led after he took all the abuse is praiseworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amoeba View Post
    Hope he stays but also lets see what the options. Overall this is a good that deserved to be in the semis. So let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

    However there were also mistakes made. Firstly discarding and bringing back Wahab shows that their plans went up in smoke, the management weren't strong enough to stand upto Hafeez & Malik - Haris should have batted at 4 throughout the tournament, and why was Hasnain picked.....to make the tea obviously.
    Haris was the scapegoat after the WI game. They thought they need experience to guide to safe totals. Then he was brought back as Malik was atrocious. Don't think it was a selection mistake but lack of trust

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    I'm not a fan of Sarfraz as a captain. Plainly follows the ball that would embarrass the captain of u-10s at prep school.

    However he is a decent man, our best keeper ever and certainly our best keeper batsman ever, and leads the team well ......albeit isn't a tactician.

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    Agreed. However history shows that he is ahead of Hafeez and Shoaib as a batsman. Our top 4 had looked solid in the run up and would win us games. The bowling was the worry and to a degree still is. Has no clue how to bowl first.

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    Mickey is Definitely guilty for Selecting Players like Asif Ali and not knowing, Who his Best Players are? Like Shaheen Shah Afridi, Haris Sohail
    And why did he not play Shahdab Against Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir View Post
    Change the coach, won't change anything. Fans think changing coach is a magical fix.

    I think let him continue. The young core is there. Just please, finally get rid of the rotten seniors. And no comebacks for like of Kamran or whatever senior is flavour of the month.
    You dont need magic but just sense of cricket.

    I am pretty sure that a lot of backroom people around the world would play atleast 2 decent spinners (Atleast one left arm orthodox going by the record) in UAE while opposition plays 3.

    There was no excuse of playing 3 pacers in UAE against Srl, playing Bilal as specialist spinner against Aus and NZ when there were clearly better option available.

    These are just to mention few mistakes amongst the countless many which is totally inexcusable for international level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    He couldn't understand how asian team plays.

    Not playing 2 spinners in tests against SL and when we played in UAE is just mind boggling. Not only once he did that game after game. there is a reason he was booted from his last 2 stunts. I am sorry but he didn't do any good to pak cricket. We keep getting whopped by teams above Zimbabwe and keeps singing the same song of being passionate and work hard on fitness.. Time to move on and find a better coach
    I think he deserves a second chance.

    Let him build a team he wants to and not what Inzimam wants.

    You saw the effect of Inzimam being in England and how the team performed after him leaving UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Interesting quote, generally happy with Mickey Arthur's performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    I think he deserves a second chance.

    Let him build a team he wants to and not what Inzimam wants.

    You saw the effect of Inzimam being in England and how the team performed after him leaving UK.
    Mickey is a decent man manager but pretty poor reader and strategist of the game in my opinion. Some of the mistakes he made or allowed others to make at international level were inexcusable.

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    Keep him. We'll go down hill if he's sacked.

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    Needs to go.

    He is one horrible tactician.

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    Mickey needs to stay.


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    I think more than batting or bowling our fielding needs work

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    Mods please add a poll... fans who wants mickey vs who thinks he needs to go...

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    Say whatever you like about Mickey, but he has transformed our ODI team, he responsible for bringing us closer to the modern day pace of the game. There was a time when we couldn't even dream of scoring 300, which we seem to do quite regularly now.

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    I want him to stay. Give him another chance to really build the team he wants for 2023.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaceOverEverything View Post
    Interesting quote, generally happy with Mickey Arthur's performance.
    If the media is negative about Pakistan then they have little understanding of the game.

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    Hope he stays, we won the champions trophy under him simple. The fitness has improved much more and the batting!!

    Hope he stays

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    I think he should go. He couldn’t bring the most important quality to this team. Consistency. I have seen some of his batting drills. Looked a bit silly. Remember commenting about it before that England tour.

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    With the money raking in it is natural to be passionate about booth Pak and Cricket. I would be so as well even if wasn't doing anything. Now he can just sit back until we play again pretending he's working.


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    Thanks for nothing, Arthur. Don't forget to take useless Sarfaraz with you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Mickey is a decent man manager but pretty poor reader and strategist of the game in my opinion. Some of the mistakes he made or allowed others to make at international level were inexcusable.
    Yeah playing three pacers and only one spinner was a very poor decision against Sri Lanka last year.

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    He's not perfect but all in all I think he's been a good coach for us. I think the PCB should back him with a new contract until 2023.

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    Arthur focuses on the positives as Pakistan narrowly miss out on semi-final spot

    Mickey Arthur was determined to accentuate the positive as he reflected on a Pakistan campaign that could have been so different.

    Arthur’s team could still mathematically make the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup semi-finals heading into their final group match with Bangladesh at Lord’s.

    But their mission improbable required smashing plenty of records, piling on the runs and skittling out their rivals in double-quick time.

    Their 94-run victory was a fourth consecutive win with Imam Ul Haq’s 100 and Babar Azam’s 96 setting the scene for Shaheen Afridi, whose six-wicket haul, the best bowling figures of the tournament, ensured he rightly hogged the headlines.

    It was a glimpse of a promising future but for this campaign at least, the fractions have not been kind.

    “It’s been a World Cup of ifs and buts, a tournament of two halves and that’s disappointing,” said Arthur.

    “We’ve ended very strongly and it’s nice to know we’ve beaten two of those semi-finalists (England and New Zealand), which shows we aren’t that far off as a top, top cricket team.

    “The average age of our side is just 24, that’s something to be really proud about and it bodes well for the future of Pakistan cricket.

    “Their work ethic, grit and passion has been a credit them. You don’t see what goes on in this dressing room, I can see their desire and their determination to improve and that means our cricket is in safe hands.

    “Watch the highlights package of this World Cup and they’ll be a lot of Pakistan players on it. The guys can leave with their heads held very high.

    “I’m just so passionate about this team, I want to see Pakistan get back to where they need to be.”

    Closing the tournament with wins over Bangladesh, Afghanistan, New Zealand and South Africa, coupled with an earlier victory against England, Pakistan may consider themselves unlucky not to make the knockout stages, especially as they also pushed Australia close in a thriller in Taunton.

    And Arthur knows the one thing he’d change.

    “When you lose the first game the way we did against the West Indies, it’s really hard to get your net run rate back and that has ultimately cost us,” he added.

    “I think the nerves got the better of us that day, something that won’t happen again in four years with this team. We froze but I was so proud of how we bounced back and how much we’ve learned.”

    The performances of Iman, Babar and Shaheen - all making their World Cup debuts – rightly underline Arthur’s bullish optimism.

    Iman, 23, scored the youngest World Cup century by a Pakistan player, Babar, 24, scored the most runs for a Pakistan player at the tournament and no-one - not even greats like Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis - boost better bowling figures than 19-year old Shaheen’s 6/35 at the ‘Home of Cricket’.

    “These players are the future but they need time and they need support, but they are going to be champions,” said Arthur.

    “Their performances will be up and down because that happens with young cricketers but I want to stay positive, there is no place for negativity if Pakistan cricket is to achieve its potential.”


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    People who want him to go simply don’t understand how poisonous the trifecta of shared responsibility is between coach captain and chief selector.
    These are good and honorable ppl who I personally more thank the likes moin khan etc that we had before.

    The key issue will always be the board; unless they support and reassure coach and captain regardless of results and what the press says, we will never be able to build a strong team.
    The last two years of Pakistan odi cricket is mediocre cricketers making countless comebacks despite poor averages and no improvement.
    You will see calls from ex cricketers greedy for a pay day criticizing the coach and captain and pcb senselessly. And of course calls for the comebacks of Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad etc.

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    Hope they offer him a new contract

    He was always fighting a rising tide and theres only so mucn that can be done as a coach with the internal politics going on in the team and pcb

    5 wins and 3 losses in the world cup has shown that this team isnt too far behind the top 3 teams in the world with a couple of tweaks in personel and like someone said who wouldve thought theyd be making 300 with so much regularity like they have done over the last 2months

    Hopefully the people in power see that no coach is going to do any better with the poor politocs and poor systems in place that govern pakistan cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    I think he should go. He couldn’t bring the most important quality to this team. Consistency. I have seen some of his batting drills. Looked a bit silly. Remember commenting about it before that England tour.
    Consistency will only come when there's a strong domestic system underpinning the national team so there's healthy competition for places instead of heavy reliance on a few star individuals.

    It's no coincidence I think that the four semi finalists are those with the strongest and most stable domestic systems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    You dont need magic but just sense of cricket.

    I am pretty sure that a lot of backroom people around the world would play atleast 2 decent spinners (Atleast one left arm orthodox going by the record) in UAE while opposition plays 3.

    There was no excuse of playing 3 pacers in UAE against Srl, playing Bilal as specialist spinner against Aus and NZ when there were clearly better option available.

    These are just to mention few mistakes amongst the countless many which is totally inexcusable for international level.
    Let's be honest - the difference between us keeping and losing our unbeaten UAE streak was 27 runs.

    Score 27 more runs in those two costly Abu Dhabi runchases vs SRL and NZL, and we wouldn't even be commenting on Arthur's Test record.

    Sadly even 27 runs was beyond our Captain Fantastic who failed to lead from front with the bat.

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    I think he should stay. We need to back the young talent and the youngsters do get in well with him


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    Passion alone does not get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Consistency will only come when there's a strong domestic system underpinning the national team so there's healthy competition for places instead of heavy reliance on a few star individuals.

    It's no coincidence I think that the four semi finalists are those with the strongest and most stable domestic systems.
    That could be true and might be the reason behind the feeling of entitlement among players which eventually leads to complacency. But a coach’s job is to make sure that doesn’t happen. Attitude of most players is still not good. In his attempt to give them confidence, he literally gives them false identities, which too is not good at all. He himself is someone who plays for the cameras.

    Scene 1: Pakistan is batting. Someone bowls a nothing delivery. Batsman plays a rash shot and gets out.
    Cut.
    Scene 2: Camera is now pointed at the coach as if in anticipation to see a reaction. He shakes his head in anger and runs to the dressing room.

    Repeat.

    How many times have you seen this? That wouldn’t be the case with a good coach. The cameras would obviously be pointed at them but they’re not going to get any dramatic reaction. Maybe a serious face. That’s it. But they’ll try to make sure same mistake is not repeated again, which wasn’t happening under Mickey. There are bigger issues in Pakistan cricket than coaching staff though.

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    If Mickey is going to be replaced then it's Dean Jones otherwise Mickey is fine.

    But Grant Flower Grant Bradburn & Azhar Mahmood needs to go

    Plus we need a power hitting coach plus a good analyst.
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    A very good person. But i think the most he can stay is with 1 year extension. Coaching and management needs a change in voice and ideas after 4-5 years otherwise it gets stagnant and tends to decline.
    Lehmann's tenure started going downhill after 2017, so did Andy Flower's and John Buchanan's.

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    I say give him time till 2021 CT.I still think he has done some good things for us which will bear fruit IA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    Say whatever you like about Mickey, but he has transformed our ODI team, he responsible for bringing us closer to the modern day pace of the game. There was a time when we couldn't even dream of scoring 300, which we seem to do quite regularly now.
    On the money, also let’s not forget what this team was before Mickey took over. Struggling to qualify for the Champions Trophy and on the way to having to play qualifiers to make the World Cup. I think we can comfortably say, he’s made them a top 5 ODI side which looked a pipe dream when he took over.

    Also, giving clearly defined roles to his players and the right roles to be precise. Babar at #3, Fakhar and Imam opening. I know this sounds basic, but previously Babar was batting at 5 or 6 depending on which senior needed to be accomadated. Pretty sure Hafeez would still be opening if it wasn’t for Mickey. And we would still have the likes of Umar Gul and Sohail Tanvir around.

    He’s got rid of dressing room divas like Shehzad and Akmal bros. And instead we have hardworking and ever improving youngsters coming through. Changing that dressing room attitude is probably the best thing he’s done.

    Lastly and most importantly, he’s made Pakistan the best T20 side in the world. They have played some of the best T20 cricket ever in the last two years consistently beating the best teams in the world. It’s been one of the most fun experiences of being a Pakistan fan, watching a team be at the top of its game. This after taking over the 2016 debacle. This team he’s built needs to play the 2020 World Cup and not be torn apart over this performance at the 2019 World Cup just because people had unrealistic expectations.

    This was a really good World Cup performance, overachieving I think and to ignore that because one just fantasized about winning it all is ridiculous.
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    Mickey should stay. Although he definitely needs to let go of his ego, and engage better tactics in Asia.

    Sarfraz and Inzamam need to be relieved. Never make someone as strong/influential as Inzamam a chief selector ever again. The past year has seen an obvious power struggle between Inzi and Mickey/Sarfraz in terms of selection.

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    Tone of a man that's not sure he will be staying.

    I hope he stays. I like Mickey.

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    He should stay.

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    Fans who think Mickey should be shown the door, I ask them one question: Would you take Mohsin over Mickey? (That is the person who is going to get this job now).

    Mickey has definitely been lacking in some areas while he has been good in others. Areas where he can work on are probably the home series selection of 2 spinners which a lot of PPers have mentioned and trying to take our test team to a higher standard.

    I think it is high time that PCB hires consultants for each series. Consultants who can help with strategies and work on very specific pain points. Examples:

    1. Hire Misbah for home series in UAE. The guy set a fantastic template to be followed in test matches. Surely he can help with the strategy there.

    2. Hire someone like Sangakara when touring England (Tests). Great mind, great captain for his country and a good strategist. He can help with the strategy, work on batting with some youngsters plus help Sarfaraz (or whoever is the captain ) with the strategy.

    3. Hire someone like Gilly when touring Australia. Again good with batting, and can help strategise and help the captain or keeper with their glovework technique.


    .. and the list can go on and on. These consultants can be an addition over the full time coaching staff. The team learns and the coaches learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Mickey should stay. Although he definitely needs to let go of his ego, and engage better tactics in Asia.

    Sarfraz and Inzamam need to be relieved. Never make someone as strong/influential as Inzamam a chief selector ever again. The past year has seen an obvious power struggle between Inzi and Mickey/Sarfraz in terms of selection.
    Yes it has been weird and kudos to Mickey/Sarfraz to never even mention this in public. Inzi is a weird character and while he was a fantastic batsman, I do not think he was a very wise thinker. I wish they get someone who can think about the game and not just follow gut feelings (or whatever else feelings Inzi follows)

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    Part of me wants mickey to stay but other doesn't. :/

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    Things aren't gonna change by changing head coach. The cycle is gonna rotate again and again. If the next coach is going to be the old ones again I won't say to replace him.

    What we need the most right now is good people in the side. A good batting and bowling coach. And domestic cricket. Please work on that. More than half of the problem is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBallZombie View Post
    Fans who think Mickey should be shown the door, I ask them one question: Would you take Mohsin over Mickey? (That is the person who is going to get this job now).

    Mickey has definitely been lacking in some areas while he has been good in others. Areas where he can work on are probably the home series selection of 2 spinners which a lot of PPers have mentioned and trying to take our test team to a higher standard.

    I think it is high time that PCB hires consultants for each series. Consultants who can help with strategies and work on very specific pain points. Examples:

    1. Hire Misbah for home series in UAE. The guy set a fantastic template to be followed in test matches. Surely he can help with the strategy there.

    2. Hire someone like Sangakara when touring England (Tests). Great mind, great captain for his country and a good strategist. He can help with the strategy, work on batting with some youngsters plus help Sarfaraz (or whoever is the captain ) with the strategy.

    3. Hire someone like Gilly when touring Australia. Again good with batting, and can help strategise and help the captain or keeper with their glovework technique.


    .. and the list can go on and on. These consultants can be an addition over the full time coaching staff. The team learns and the coaches learn
    100% agree. Mickey can also learn, just like players. He first time coached an asian side. If PCB gets a good consultant for Mickey that'll be good.

    And if Quetta Gladiators hire Viv Richards as mentor can't PCB even just for a small time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    That could be true and might be the reason behind the feeling of entitlement among players which eventually leads to complacency. But a coach’s job is to make sure that doesn’t happen. Attitude of most players is still not good. In his attempt to give them confidence, he literally gives them false identities, which too is not good at all. He himself is someone who plays for the cameras.

    Scene 1: Pakistan is batting. Someone bowls a nothing delivery. Batsman plays a rash shot and gets out.
    Cut.
    Scene 2: Camera is now pointed at the coach as if in anticipation to see a reaction. He shakes his head in anger and runs to the dressing room.

    Repeat.

    How many times have you seen this? That wouldn’t be the case with a good coach. The cameras would obviously be pointed at them but they’re not going to get any dramatic reaction. Maybe a serious face. That’s it. But they’ll try to make sure same mistake is not repeated again, which wasn’t happening under Mickey. There are bigger issues in Pakistan cricket than coaching staff though.
    Not a good example. Our batting has come leaps and bounds under Mickey. We are consistently scoring 300+ now.


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    Only if the replacement is better. I don't know if there are any. Maybe Dean Jones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Not a good example. Our batting has come leaps and bounds under Mickey. We are consistently scoring 300+ now.
    In England.
    I don’t see any out of the ordinary improvement in any of your batsmen, particularly Fakhar Zaman. None of the flaws have been addressed. Pakistan has been underachieving despite having some very decent players. Selection has been poor too. If you’re happy with where you are as a team, fine.

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    Well done Mickey. Didn’t bother about the streak of losses coz he knew he was building a team that hates losing and would go on to challenge even the best at the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Well done Mickey. Didn’t bother about the streak of losses coz he knew he was building a team that hates losing and would go on to challenge even the best at the world cup.
    I think they should start the streak again. Take each series as a chance to discover specific talent. Only 5 players should be permanent in the squad. Babar and Haris should be the only two batters, and Shaheen and Amir the only two pacers. One of Sarfraz or Rizwan can also be permanent.

    Say in series one, you are looking to find dynamic lower order hitters (DLOH), the top 6 of the playing eleven should be: Babar, Haris, DLOH, DLOH, DLOH, WK.

    In series two, if you are searching for openers (OP), the top 6 of the playing eleven should be: OP, OP, OP, Babar, Haris, WK

    In series three, if you are searching for all-rounders (AR), the playing eleven should be: Babar, Haris, WK, AR, AR, AR, AR, AR, AR, Amir, Shaheen

    In series four, if you are searching for pacers (PA), the lower order should be: PA, PA, PA, Amir, Shaheen

    In series five, if you are searching for spinners (SP), the lower order should be: SP, SP, SP, Amir, Shaheen


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    This is just empty talk. If Mickey Arthur really wants an extension, he would make himself available to meet the pcb cricketing committee review panel in person rather than tell him to contact him by email. I think it's a pretty cowardly move, atleast waqar had the courage to face the pcb and the music in person

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    Just trying to save his job. So far he has been proven to be just an ok coach but a poor strategist and motivator. If Pakistan is looking to rebuild the team then Mickey needs to go. He has been with the Pak team for a while now but there has been no tangible progress. The team still stutters and there is no visible consistency in delivering positive results

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    Really should stay, if you step away from the hate and the media coverage, this is one of the few people in our organization that is looking long term and realizes that it takes time to develop a team of world beaters with our system. We will start winning a lot of games, the players we have can beat any team on any given day. With experience they will make that happen more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post






    I see this same words from past 2 to 3 yrs after each series loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    This is just empty talk. If Mickey Arthur really wants an extension, he would make himself available to meet the pcb cricketing committee review panel in person rather than tell him to contact him by email. I think it's a pretty cowardly move, atleast waqar had the courage to face the pcb and the music in person
    There must be something personal, he must've been misguided. As far as wefans know Ehsan Mani has given inzamam the authority who was in the dressing room selectting playing XI and corresponding between Arthur and players rofl.

    What was Pakistan's win/loss record when Waqar Younis was coach?

    Mickey Arthur's performance by far has been way ahead of all so-called Pakistani former stars turned coaches combined.

    Arthur managed a nepotistic biased chief selector, his nephew, PCB's politics and a captain, and came to face the press on behalf of the players in tougher times.

    i really hope Arthur is retained till World T20 andgiven the role as part of selection committee. IOn few months time the damage done by Inzamam will be reversed and you would have a solid #1 to #5 order batsman with a competitive reserve vying to take his place.

    Can never expect this from a Pakistani local selector. They have biases and havethe ability to trade with outsiders in making and breaking players they don't like or want.Their approach to youngsters is even worse they behave condescendingly towards them instead of giving confidence and support.

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    Keep Micky on, best to have some stability now but out test record needs to improve under Micky. I think Grant Flower and Azhar need to be moved on from the coaching staff. Maybe Misbah come in as a batting consultant and see if that brings results in a series or two?

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    Make imad wasim captain in ODIs and T 20 and play him as a batter in Tests..
    Sack Mickey and make Rashid latif as head coach,M.yusuf as batting coach Saqlain as bowling coach and steve Rixon as fielding coach
    Get some fresh legs in ODIs and play only specialists and bits/pieces players be restricted to T 20s

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    Some of the names that are rumored to be considered are truly shocking. Now I'm hoping more than ever that Mickey stays.

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    I think Mickey really likes to coach Pakistan. The enthusiasm shows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Only if the replacement is better. I don't know if there are any. Maybe Dean Jones.
    I don’t think he has any international experience but he seems to get along with the players.

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    Mickey definitely has the hearts for coaching Pakistan. He improved their game remarkably, in fitness, discipline in both batting and bowling and in terms of their professional outlook in general. You guys don't remember how indisciplined, egoistic and notorious previous Pak teams were. Yes, some of the results haven't come your way in this world cup and there were clearly major goof-ups in team selection (blame to be shared with chief selector), NRR awareness, picking the right line and length to bowl etc but even a neutral like me can clearly see that there is a significant improvement in the team and some of the talented players Mickey nurtured and persisted with are coming through..Babar, Shaheen, Haris, Imam etc. Even if he leaves after this WC, he will have left the team in a better shape than what he inherited and he can be proud of that.

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    Mickey wants to continue but it's down to the powers that be.

    If PCB don't ask him to continue then I'm pretty sure he will have a few good offers out there.



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    One thing that defines coach is the ability to improve his players.

    Minus Haris Sohail (but his improvement could be the result of someone else), no single player has improved his game. And anyone who's gone down has stayed down. Amir got clear flaws, he needs fixing. Fakhar got clear missing parts, he needs fixing. Even babar got missing bits. No one seems to be improving. Mickey is a good cheerdude, but not a great coach.

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    He is a lot more invested in Pakistan than past coaches have been.

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    During the match at Lord's, I spoke to quite a few South African fans who wanted him back. Don't be surprised if it happens.

    Personally, as I've said before, I think he needs to be backed until the next World Cup. The team is on the way up and barring one match against the Windies, where we misread the pitch because we had played on it in a bilateral series a few days earlier, we were pretty good in the tournament.

    He's definitely not perfect, but you have to look at him against the alternatives.


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