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    "India likely to win an India vs England World Cup 2019 final" : Faf du Plessis

    When asked during the post match conference after South Africa won today's ODI with Australia, South Africa captain Faf du Plessis replied that he expects India and England to win their respective semi final matches.

    As for the winner of the Final, he replied that India has a better chance to win since in his opinion Australia and India perform well in big match situations.

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    Let's hope for India's sake, the English will win. Don't see Indians winning against Aussies in the final.

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    Also, the final is 2 days after the Aus vs Eng game. Adv India as they will have some time to recover. Eng needs to win against AUS though. Not because Eng will choke in the final but it's very tough to beat the Aussie spirit in a final

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    I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup semi-final damn u west indies

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Let's hope for India's sake, the English will win. Don't see Indians winning against Aussies in the final.
    And before that happens, let's also hope for India's sake that India wins against NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haripotter View Post
    I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup semi-final damn u west indies
    While we are at it, I shall go a step further...I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup FINAL. Imagine that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbronze View Post
    While we are at it, I shall go a step further...I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup FINAL. Imagine that!
    No need to imagine. I saw the trailer 2 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haripotter View Post
    I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup semi-final damn u west indies
    That's what I was thinking. Aus vs Eng, Ind vs Pak. TRP bonanza

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbronze View Post
    While we are at it, I shall go a step further...I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup FINAL. Imagine that!
    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    No need to imagine. I saw the trailer 2 years ago
    Sara ka sara maza kirkira kar diya (you just poured cold water all over my fantasy). LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haripotter View Post
    I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup semi-final damn u west indies
    You must be kidding.

    We would've got smashed


    "When You Have Eliminated The Impossible, Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be The Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    No need to imagine. I saw the trailer 2 years ago
    champions trophy apni jaga, world cup apni jaga.

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    I honestly can't distinguish between Indian, Australia and England. Each team has the resources and skill to win it. I'm sorry for the NZ fans but I honestly can't see them beating India.


    "When You Have Eliminated The Impossible, Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be The Truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Also, the final is 2 days after the Aus vs Eng game. Adv India as they will have some time to recover.

    Aus is carrying two injured players atm. They got recovery time as well ;)
    Last edited by Stark; 7th July 2019 at 02:42.

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    It would be 50-50 and will purely come down to which team has a better day. Two best teams in the world who equally deserve to be world champions, and they deserve it more than any other team.

    It is quite remarkable that in every ODI championship in England in this decade, these two teams have almost ended up playing in the final.

    They played each other in the 2013 Champions Trophy Final and would have met again in 2017 as well, if it wasnít for the sluggish Cardiff pitch. Now it appears that they will cross paths again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It would be 50-50 and will purely come down to which team has a better day. Two best teams in the world who equally deserve to be world champions, and they deserve it more than any other team.

    It is quite remarkable that in every ODI championship in England in this decade, these two teams have almost ended up playing in the final.

    They played each other in the 2013 Champions Trophy Final and would have met again in 2017 as well, if it wasnít for the sluggish Cardiff pitch. Now it appears that they will cross paths again.
    Pakistan outplayed England.

    Why are you blaming the pitch...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    Pakistan outplayed England.

    Why are you blaming the pitch...?
    They did outplay England but the slow pitch suited our style of play. We beat South Africa on a similar track and reversed the ball. Had England batted first on a flat pitch, it would have been curtains for us, similar to the opening match vs India.

    In the final, Kohli made a critical error by opting to bowl on a flat pitch. Anything above 250 and our batting would have self-combusted. It was a tournament of destiny for Pakistan. Everything went in our favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    Pakistan outplayed England.

    Why are you blaming the pitch...?
    He does that all the time. Nevertheless, he has got a point on how both England and India deserve to be called the two best teams of ODI cricket. Complete domination from them in the last few years.

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    An India v England final is on and whichever team bats first will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They did outplay England but the slow pitch suited our style of play. We beat South Africa on a similar track and reversed the ball. Had England batted first on a flat pitch, it would have been curtains for us, similar to the opening match vs India.

    In the final, Kohli made a critical error by opting to bowl on a flat pitch. Anything above 250 and our batting would have self-combusted. It was a tournament of destiny for Pakistan. Everything went in our favor.
    Yeap fair enough.

    I think Kohli opting to bowl first was the biggest blunder he has ever made.
    Last edited by Mueez; 7th July 2019 at 03:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamM97 View Post
    He does that all the time. Nevertheless, he has got a point on how both England and India deserve to be called the two best teams of ODI cricket. Complete domination from them in the last few years.
    Considering the performances of last two years England and India deserve to be the finalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    An India v England final is on and whichever team bats first will win.
    While indians can still chase,poms can chase nothing

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    In before people say he is only saying this for IPL contract. Not everything is to do with IPL...

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    Good to see him giving a honest answer rather than hiding away from the question. Interesting he didn't Australia. I think this is due to South Africa beating them recently. India beat South Africa in this tournament and the bilateral. Playing against all sets of players makes Fafs opinion a fair opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They did outplay England but the slow pitch suited our style of play.
    Slow pitch where almost 700 runs were scored? There's delusion and then there's delusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    Slow pitch where almost 700 runs were scored? There's delusion and then there's delusion.
    I am talking about the Champions Trophy semi-final.

    Thereís comprehension failure and then thereís comprehension failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I am talking about the Champions Trophy semi-final.

    There’s comprehension failure and then there’s comprehension failure.
    Oh, I thought you were done whining about that. Nvm, carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's what I was thinking. Aus vs Eng, Ind vs Pak. TRP bonanza
    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    champions trophy apni jaga, world cup apni jaga.
    Well you got beat by eng in group stages what maked peeps think ind will win in final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's what I was thinking. Aus vs Eng, Ind vs Pak. TRP bonanza
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyYorker View Post
    While indians can still chase,poms can chase nothing
    India will goto final that is guaranteed, NZ are in awful form, cant see them winning. Just imagine braithwaits shot went for a 6 it would have been pak vs ind semi final. Oh the margins.

    Ind underperformed against eng imho, their population believes in karma and it will come..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    Well you got beat by eng in group stages what maked peeps think ind will win in final.
    EVERYONE has been beaten by someone in the group stages.

    India lost just one match. What makes peeps think India will lose in final?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's what I was thinking. Aus vs Eng, Ind vs Pak. TRP bonanza
    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    EVERYONE has been beaten by someone in the group stages.

    India lost just one match. What makes peeps think India will lose in final?
    Cos you guys believe in karma, it will come to bite you on your backsides..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Let's hope for India's sake, the English will win. Don't see Indians winning against Aussies in the final.
    Why not? They only chased two times in this tournament and lost both. No reason why they canít do that again. They have only two batsmen in form. Their bowlers ainít tough like their predecessors and can break down under pressure. I would back India to beat them if we bat first.

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    I think toss will be single most important factor in final... Australia is hit by injuries, they are down a bit against England, again toss of that semi, bring Australia back...

    Chasing 320/330 plus would be hard for anybody, but scoring that much first time gonna be relatively easy. No matter how you look at toss is vital.

    Even Pakistan had great chance against any of these game with toss. Although Sarfraz and Co ****ed up AUS and India toss big time 🤬🤬🤬

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Why not? They only chased two times in this tournament and lost both. No reason why they can’t do that again. They have only two batsmen in form. Their bowlers ain’t tough like their predecessors and can break down under pressure. I would back India to beat them if we bat first.
    Playing the world cup final at home is huuuge pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haripotter View Post
    I wish it was India vs Pakistan World cup semi-final damn u west indies
    Would have been a great game, but I am glad that I don't have to deal with the stress leading up to it and the not impossible Indian defeat later

    India is a better team, but Pakistan was on a roll, and the Indian batsmen would have to deal with a rejuvenated Shaheen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Why not? They only chased two times in this tournament and lost both. No reason why they can’t do that again. They have only two batsmen in form. Their bowlers ain’t tough like their predecessors and can break down under pressure. I would back India to beat them if we bat first.
    That will make the toss extremely important. In the NZ-India game though, I think India could win even if they lose the toss and bat second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    Cos you guys believe in karma, it will come to bite you on your backsides..
    Nah, karma is still feasting on Pakistan's backside... what the good rain giveth (1992), the good rain taketh away (2019).

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    NZ can seriously fluke the semi finals anes then go on to win the world cup. Guptill and Munro have not fired at all this world cup. They are due one big innings and it could be against India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    India will goto final that is guaranteed, NZ are in awful form, cant see them winning. Just imagine braithwaits shot went for a 6 it would have been pak vs ind semi final. Oh the margins.

    Ind underperformed against eng imho, their population believes in karma and it will come..
    Karma means doing (action), not even-ing it out.

    But that said, I too believe whoever bats first has an advantage to a certain extent that putting up a good score on tiring pitches makes chasing difficult if not impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Would have been a great game, but I am glad that I don't have to deal with the stress leading up to it and the not impossible Indian defeat later

    India is a better team, but Pakistan was on a roll, and the Indian batsmen would have to deal with a rejuvenated Shaheen against a bangladesh in a dead rubber.
    They would have had to contend with Shami. Don't forget India played with 4 bowlers in the match as Bhuvi broke down.
    Last edited by jnaveen1980; 7th July 2019 at 06:55.

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    During 2008 under 19 world cup semifinal, India beat New Zealand by 3 wickets.

    India was led by Kohli.
    New Zealand was led by Williamson.

    Both going to face off each other in 2019 Odi world cup semifinal, again as captains of their respective countries.

    What will happen this time?

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    Karma is not revenge or law of averages! Karma means your action defines what you will get or deserve.

    And all the action during league matches says that India is firm favourite, but then fate and randomness also have role to play. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babbar View Post
    During 2008 under 19 world cup semifinal, India beat New Zealand by 3 wickets.

    India was led by Kohli.
    New Zealand was led by Williamson.

    Both going to face off each other in 2019 Odi world cup semifinal, again as captains of their respective countries.

    What will happen this time?
    Wow! What coincidence. What are the chances of this happening. Sure makes for and interesting IND NZ semifinal.

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    Faf is friends with Kohli. Unlike Aussies he was able to earn that friendship

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    but unlikely to win an Aus vs India Final esp. if Australia bat first after winning the toss

    India were lucky that they batted first against India in the league game

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Playing the world cup final at home is huuuge pressure.
    And what makes you think that pressure only apply to Indians?Australians are human too and they have cracked under pressure already twice in this worldcup. And many more times before this WC which their predecessors never did.
    And unlike Indian fans, our players are professional and play attritional cricket. So I think they can handle it.

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    Let Ind focus on NZ match. The same mindset of underestimating Afg almost cost them. None is weak in WC. Also, rememeber CT 2000. Cairns won Nz the cup which Ind won in press conf. and not in reality. Stay grounded.
    Last edited by ind_win; 7th July 2019 at 08:02.

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    It's fascinating. English press is happy to avoid India in semis. Aussie press is ruing the fact they have to play where Aussies didn't win a single game since 2001. They preferred playing NZ. Indian press is vocal.and happy about playing NZ. NZ press is disappointed and would have preferred Aus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    It's fascinating. English press is happy to avoid India in semis. Aussie press is ruing the fact they have to play where Aussies didn't win a single game since 2001. They preferred playing NZ. Indian press is vocal.and happy about playing NZ. NZ press is disappointed and would have preferred Aus.
    Down under teams are not happy. England and India are happy. I know India can beat England. But between England and nZ , NZ would be an obvious pick even for Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ind_win View Post
    Let Ind focus on NZ match. The same mindset of underestimating Afg almost cost them. None is weak in WC. Also, rememeber CT 2000. Cairns won Nz the cup which Ind won in press conf. and not in reality. Stay grounded.
    Nobody is going to under-estimate them. Now the team composition has to be revisited. That is all. Earlier Kuldeep might have gotten the boot. Now back on.

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    Toss is the key to win in India Vs NZ.

    New Zealand is never gonna chase against Bumrah and Kul-Cha.

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    Disagree with Faf. England is slightly ahead.


    Bangladeshi Guy

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    In a one off scenario best bowling unit clicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    And what makes you think that pressure only apply to Indians?Australians are human too and they have cracked under pressure already twice in this worldcup. And many more times before this WC which their predecessors never did.
    And unlike Indian fans, our players are professional and play attritional cricket. So I think they can handle it.
    I was talking about England. Anyway, Indians and Aussies can handle pressure. But somehow that Aussie spirit come through in knockouts. Let's see

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    Unfortunately the world does not revolve around IPL, even if India would like this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malik786 View Post
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    Crying started!! Instead of this rebuild your team..

    Before the world cup, india was favorite and in semi finals stage also India is favorite based on the over all performance. What's wrong on his opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    Cos you guys believe in karma, it will come to bite you on your backsides..
    Good to see you guys using indians philosophy of karma. Whole world now have started using this indian word called karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    They would have had to contend with Shami. Don't forget India played with 4 bowlers in the match as Bhuvi broke down.
    Fair enough, I would also put my money on India in a Indo-Pak encounter. But I would still be pretty apprehensive about the outcome as Pakistan is a very volatile team and individual players are able to occasionally turn in match-winning performances like Fakhar and Amir in the CT final.

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    It's highly unlikely that India is going to win the finals assuming they move past NZ is semis.

    The World Cup is replete with history that the team that faced a challenging semifinals has gone on to win the World. Ever since I started following cricket, I can recall this in almost every World Cup.

    1992 - Pakistan beat a really tough opponent in NZ while England got a walkover against South Africa. Result - Pak thrashed England in finals

    1996 - Sri Lanka beat a tough India in their home ground while Australia moved past a self exploding West Indies. Result - Sri Lanka thrashed Australia in finals

    1999 - Pak went past an un-challenging New Zealand while Australia moved past South Africa in probably the greatest world cup match ever. Result - Australia thrashed Pakistan in finals

    2003 - India faced a timid & weak Kenya whereas, Australia faced a tough Sri Lanka. Result - Australia thrashed India in finals

    2007 - Sri Lanka defeated an un-challenging New Zealand while, Australia beat a much tougher South Africa. Result - Australia thrashed an insipid Sri Lanka in the finals

    2011 - Sri-Lanka goes past clueless New Zealand while, India faced a challenging Pakistan. Result - India thrashed Sri Lanka in the Semis

    2015 - New Zealand beats struggling South Africa while, Australia finally beats an undefeated India. Result - Australia defeats New Zealand.

    Conclusion - Team that faces an easy semifinal walks complacent whereas, the team facing a tough semis is usually battle hardened for the finals. While, Australia & England will be facing a tough opponent in eachother, India will face a New Zealand which is on a downward curve & one that sneaked into semis due to carefully crafted campaign & good amount of luck. Really doubt if India will win the finals.

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    Not going to happen .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ab041937 View Post
    It's highly unlikely that India is going to win the finals assuming they move past NZ is semis.

    The World Cup is replete with history that the team that faced a challenging semifinals has gone on to win the World. Ever since I started following cricket, I can recall this in almost every World Cup.

    1992 - Pakistan beat a really tough opponent in NZ while England got a walkover against South Africa. Result - Pak thrashed England in finals

    1996 - Sri Lanka beat a tough India in their home ground while Australia moved past a self exploding West Indies. Result - Sri Lanka thrashed Australia in finals

    1999 - Pak went past an un-challenging New Zealand while Australia moved past South Africa in probably the greatest world cup match ever. Result - Australia thrashed Pakistan in finals

    2003 - India faced a timid & weak Kenya whereas, Australia faced a tough Sri Lanka. Result - Australia thrashed India in finals

    2007 - Sri Lanka defeated an un-challenging New Zealand while, Australia beat a much tougher South Africa. Result - Australia thrashed an insipid Sri Lanka in the finals

    2011 - Sri-Lanka goes past clueless New Zealand while, India faced a challenging Pakistan. Result - India thrashed Sri Lanka in the Semis

    2015 - New Zealand beats struggling South Africa while, Australia finally beats an undefeated India. Result - Australia defeats New Zealand.

    Conclusion - Team that faces an easy semifinal walks complacent whereas, the team facing a tough semis is usually battle hardened for the finals. While, Australia & England will be facing a tough opponent in eachother, India will face a New Zealand which is on a downward curve & one that sneaked into semis due to carefully crafted campaign & good amount of luck. Really doubt if India will win the finals.
    Happens in all sports. Observed this pattern in football, I am not even a great follower of the game.

    In cricket, yes. But experienced players turn up and give a once in life time performances.

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    A couple of flukes and NZ will have their first World Cup victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZulfi View Post
    but unlikely to win an Aus vs India Final esp. if Australia bat first after winning the toss

    India were lucky that they batted first against India in the league game

    India can't bat against India...
    BTW every team who gets a chance to bat first on these type of pitches
    have been lucky

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    India batting isn't what it used to be without Yuvi down the order but problem for other teams is Rohit and Kohli hardly ever get out cheaply. If NZ can somehow get them out cheaply then game is on.

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    Underrating Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyYorker View Post
    While indians can still chase,poms can chase nothing
    India are not chasing 300+ against England.

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