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    "Feels bad when you play well all tournament then 45 mins of bad cricket puts you out" : Virat Kohli

    Kohli post-match:

    "The first half, we were very, very good. With the ball, in the field, we were spot on. We got what we needed at that point"

    "We thought we had restricted New Zealand to a chaseable score on any surface but the way they come out with the ball in the first half-an-hour was what made the difference"

    "We knew we had a good day yesterday and were proud of it. Had a good time in the morning today as well and we had momentum with us"

    "Credit to the New Zealand bowlers, they were really good with the new ball and hit the right areas. I think it was the skill level on display (from NZ bowlers) was there for all to see"

    "I think Jadeja had a really good couple of games and it's his performance today that's are a huge positive for his skill-set. MS had a good partnership with him, and again a game of small margins, run out by a small margin."

    "Always feels bad when you play well all tournament and then 45 minutes of bad cricket puts you out"

    "New Zealand deserve it, they put us under more pressure. At times, I think our shot-selection could have been better. Otherwise, we played a really good brand of cricket. Really proud of the way we competed throughout the tournament. As I said, come the knockouts, it's anyone's game and New Zealand showed more composure. They were braver than us and deserve to win. Thanks to all the fans, thanks for coming out in huge numbers"

    Q. Commiserations, Virat. You came under a world-class spell of fast bowling today?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Yes, I think the game pretty much changed in those first 40 minutes when we were batting and, as I said in the post-match, New Zealand deserve a lot of credit because they put up a great display how to bowl with the new ball and they had perfect line and lengths and forced us to sort of make errors, if any, or bowl good deliveries to us so the pressure created was immense in those first 40, 45 minutes.

    And when you lose 3-6 it is very difficult to come back into the game. Still, our effort was commendable but, yeah, that first spell made all the difference.

    Q. Virat, I wanted to know, one bad day was, could have happened with any team and top order played out of 10 matches they played well and even the England match that India lost. Do you think that there was one day that you should have expected the middle order to put their hands up? You and Rohit and KL have done the job for seven or eight matches? Are you disappointed?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Look, you obviously feel bad for the result and everyone goes out there to win the game for the team and if it doesn't happen, you feel, like, you could have done things differently or look at things in hindsight.

    But, yeah, that is why these games are called knockouts because if the opposition plays better, you are out of the tournament. So we have to accept that.

    I think we are sad but we are not, you know, devastated because the kind of cricket that we played in this tournament. We know where we stood as a team and today we were not good enough and that is the nature of this tournament. A bad day in the knockout stage you are out of the tournament.

    So, I don't think that I would like to break things down immediately, but in time we'll have to sit down and analyse where we went wrong and the things we could have done right in this game particularly.

    Q. Virat, at the halfway stage, 240 runs to get, what was the feeling in the camp? Could the shot selection have been better in the top order maybe?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Yeah, Rohit got a really good ball. I thought my ball was decent. Yeah, a couple of shot selections, yes, could have been better, which I already mentioned. Chasing 240, we were very comfortable. We were confident that we can get the score. The start is always important.

    And yes, look, as I said, New Zealand, the way they bowled, they did not provide any opportunities for us, for the first seven or eight overs we didn't get a ball to drive. So that shows the kind of control they bowled with and they put the fielders in the right positions and that was a perfect spell of fast bowling with the new ball, which put us under a lot of pressure.

    We are not shying away from accepting that we didn't stand up to the challenge and we were not good enough under pressure and we have to accept that and accept the failure as it shows on the scoreboard.

    Q. Virat, the initial setback was there, but after that Hardik and Rishabh looked like they were settling down. Are you heartbroken with the shot that Rishabh played at that point in time?
    VIRAT KOHLI: He is an instinctive player and did well to overcome that situation and stringing a partnership with Hardik, I think the way they played after the loss of three wickets, four wickets rather, was quite commendable and in hindsight he's still young, so I made many errors when I was young in my career and he will learn, he will look back and think yes, he could have chosen a different option in that situation and he realises that already.

    So all these guys have a lot of pride and passion to play for their country and they are the ones who feel the most disappointed when a mistake happens. On the outside it looks like it was an error but the person who makes it, trust me, they are the ones who suffer the most with it.

    I'm sure he will reflect on it and he will come out stronger. The talent is there for everyone to see and the character is there, but, as I said, yes, a few shots, not just Rishabh but that happens in sport. You make errors, you make decisions which are not right at that time and you have to accept it.

    Q. Virat, through the campaign there were discussions in the media about Dhoni's strike rate. As a captain, was it a concern for you that perhaps the lower order could have forced the pace more and could have collected runs faster?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Well, look, it's always, you know, a safer option to look at it from outside and say, "Maybe this could have happened" but I think today he was batting with Jadeja and there was only Bhuvu to follow after so he had to hold one end together in my opinion and because Jadeja was playing so well you needed a solid partnership and to get a 100 partnership from that situation I think it had to be the right balance of one guy holding an end and Jadeja playing the way he did, his knock was outstanding.

    So as I said, when you don't win in hindsight, a lot of things can reflect in different manners but you have to understand how the game panned out and until what stage did the game go. And you would obviously expect New Zealand to fight back at some stage because the target was steep after losing five or six wickets, but the way they batted together, I think it was the perfect tempo for that situation, according to me.

    Q. Virat, can you explain the reasons why MS came so late in the order at No. 7?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Well, he's been given that role after the first few games of being in a situation where he can, if the situation's bad, he can control one end like he did today or if there is a scenario where there are six or seven overs left he can go and strike.

    Q. Virat, regarding the batting in the middle overs, Mitchell Santner gave away only seven runs in six overs and took two wickets, so do you think we could have played him a little more aggressively? Six runs in his first, seven runs in his first six overs.
    VIRAT KOHLI: I wasn't there out in the middle. Again, it is very easy for me to say yes, we could have or no, it was fine. But if I knew the pace of the wicket, what the ball is doing, you looked at the scoreboard, the situation was such. So we'll leave responsibility to the two guys in the middle to make decisions because eventually, as an individual, you play one ball at a time yourself and then you are talking with your partner.

    So from the outside it is very easy for us to analyse whether they should have or shouldn't have, but it should be left up to the individuals and they come up themselves and say "Maybe my decision wasn't right." You have to accept that. That is how you failures teach you and you improve in sport like that. You have to accept errors also, we are not denying any errors.

    Only the guys in that situation, if I was in there and I played in that manner, I would be able to tell you why. So, yeah, as I said, in hindsight, a lot of things can be up for discussion. But you can never really assess from the outside whether it should have been done or not.

    Q. Virat, how are you, as a captain, and as a player, taking this whole yourself, this disappointment? How are you feeling right now?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Of course, very disappointed. We played outstanding cricket as I have mentioned already throughout this tournament and to just go out on the basis of 45 minutes of bad cricket is saddening and it breaks your heart also because you have worked so hard throughout the tournament to build momentum.

    You finish No. 1 in the table and then a spell of bad cricket and then you are out of the tournament completely. But you have to accept it. It's happened to us before and we have all come out better cricketers because of these setbacks, especially at a stage like a World Cup.

    But having said that, I mean, we have qualified to the semis and we have played some really good cricket, so we should be also proud of the way we have played and look at the positives also because there were a lot throughout this tournament, especially Rohit's performance, Jasprit with the ball and Jadeja given the opportunity, so there are many things that we can take back as positives. But yeah not having played that bad cricket and then just, as I said, 40, 45 minutes of bad cricket puts you out. As a sportsman you have to accept it, this is part and parcel of this game.

    Q. Virat, New Zealand are often seen as an understated sort of side. Did they surprise you today? And also what is your -- how do you see them faring in the final against England or Australia?
    VIRAT KOHLI: I wasn't surprised with how New Zealand played, to be honest. If there is a low total, we knew there's probably only one or two sides in world cricket that will put seven fielders in the ring and that was always going to be New Zealand.

    We knew they were going to attack more and not let the game go to the end, they won't take it deep, they will go all out and play the game that way because I have seen them play that way. Today also third man was up in the ring. In the one-day game you had five catching fielders. So they know how to put pressure because they play very consistent cricket and today was an example of that and your second question was who...

    Q. How do you see them faring in the final against England or Australia?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Depends on the day. If conditions are good to bat, then they will have to bat really well. If conditions are bowler-friendly and they put enough runs on the board, they become a dangerous side as you saw in this game. It is anyone's game, knockouts, as you saw today.

    Whoever plays well on the day wins. I won't pick any favourites. The team has to play well to win.

    Q. Jadeja has this wonderfully cute celebration, probably looking at Sanjay Manjrekar, how were you reacting and the team and when did he go out, he seemed to be in tremendous mood, the way he ran down and hit a six, did he say something before he went out to bat? There was a point, the last three overs were left 30 or something, you were sitting on the balcony, and you seemed, were you confident at that time, so Jadeja, the celebration and the last three overs?
    VIRAT KOHLI: I don't think we, any of us had to say anything to Jadeja after what happened over the last one week. He was quite ready to just get on to the park, to be honest (smiling). And you saw the passion with which he played and we have seen it in Test cricket a few times, he's played knock under tremendous pressure and he's got three triple hundreds in first class cricket if I'm not wrong, so the talent has obviously always been there.

    And in my watching Jadeja for ten years, me playing with him as well, this is probably his top quality, like best knock according to me because the kind of pressure, the stage we are at, almost out of the game and then he produces that. So he was very motivated.

    Yes, at that stage, we all felt like in the changing room the game can be closed out, it can be done, but then again he played so well and then a mistake can happen at any stage -- I don't think it was even a mistake, it was lack of execution which in one-day cricket you have to take a risk here and there.

    I'm really happy for him because he's been a very understated cricketer but a top quality cricketer for India in the field, with the ball, with the bat, priceless, so he's had a great game today.

    Q. Virat, 45 minutes of bad play ended the No. 1 team's campaign. So the knockouts, you think there should be like play-offs, one and two and three and four?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Who knows in future. Maybe. If topping the table means anything. I think these things can come into consideration, looking at the magnitude of this tournament. That is a really valid point. You never know when that is going to be implemented.

    But I think that's the challenge and different kind of fun of these games as well that you have to be precise. It doesn't matter what you have done before that. It's a fresh day, fresh start, and if you are not good enough, you go home. So you have to accept that, as I said. It's a different challenge for all the teams to turn up on that day and be absolutely at the top of their game and whoever does that they get the result, as you saw today.

    Q. Virat, I think it was after the Pant wicket you went to share something, can you reveal what you said exactly? The other thing was, you seemed to be angry at your dismissal. In the knockouts that you have played, the points will come up that you have not scored. How disappointing has it been for you, not just this, but not having scored in the knockout matches?
    VIRAT KOHLI: Yeah, it's very disappointing, not turning up when the team wanted me. Obviously, it feels bad. Everyone gets disappointed when they get out so it was a natural reaction. I was discussing what happened and what's the plan going forward from that situation and what kind of information needs to be sent out there in the middle, so we can assess where the game needs to go. So, yeah, these were the events that happened exactly and the points will always come up, I'm ready for that.

    Q. What was the plan?
    VIRAT KOHLI: The plan was to -- we were targeting till what over should we have X scored, so we could analyse where we stand after that and how many overs are left from bowlers and those kind of things, so we have a better idea what to say to the guys out in the middle.

    When you are having a partnership, I think after a stage you still need a fresh sort of feedback from the dressing room to tell them this is where we need to head in the next 10 or 12 overs and then that eases off the pressure a bit in my opinion, so that was the discussion.


    Last edited by MenInG; 11th July 2019 at 01:37.


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    Aint that the truth...

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    Outplayed in the games that matter & not even really able to get close. Kiwi's stomped them so not much more he could say.

    I think he sounds pretty gracious & sensible there. He's not analysed it yet so & he's not throwing players or anyone under the bus. Classy response in a tough position.

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    Congrats NZ.

    Great to see Kohli put in his place for backing has beens for so long now. He
    fully deserves every humiliation that comes his way.

    But why did we fans, deserve this?

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    And that was exactly what de Villiers said during 2015 WC semi final post match presentation.

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    Kohli is always gracious in defeat. Was the same when they got battered in the CT final.

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    When you play has beens like Dhoni for so many games, you deserve to lose.

    When you play never beens like Jadhav, Rahul, DK in a tourney as premier as WC is, you deserve being utterly humiliated.

    When you don't even play Mayank and Shaw even in a single game, you deserve whatever garbage comes your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    And that was exactly what de Villiers said during 2015 WC semi final post match presentation.
    Hopefully the Final doesn't end the same way as 2015..


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    And that was exactly what de Villiers said during 2015 WC semi final post match presentation.
    Well, they are not best buddies for nothing, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Outplayed in the games that matter & not even really able to get close. Kiwi's stomped them so not much more he could say.

    I think he sounds pretty gracious & sensible there. He's not analysed it yet so & he's not throwing players or anyone under the bus. Classy response in a tough position.
    Finish the job against England and let's run back 2015.


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Hoping against hope, but I sincerely hope Indian selection committee sacks him right away.

    But who'll sack that joke of a guy called MSK Prasad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    Hoping against hope, but I sincerely hope Indian selection committee sacks him right away.

    But who'll sack that joke of a guy called MSK Prasad?
    His selections are awful, he backs the wrong players and his tactics are whatever. Back Rohit and let Kohli focus on his batting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Hopefully the Final doesn't end the same way as 2015..
    Once again will be supporting NZ in finals but you guys seem to only win when I don't support you. Heart Breakers!
    Last edited by Ab Fan; 10th July 2019 at 20:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    His selections are awful, he backs the wrong players and his tactics are whatever. Back Rohit and let Kohli focus on his batting.
    On field he is getting better. But his selections are so awful that they mask everything he does right as captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Finish the job against England and let's run back 2015.
    I was very confident Oz had more & bigger weapons in ODI than anyone else at that 2015 WC. You just knew if we played well, we couldn't lose. That is not the case this time around. Even if Oz play well, I can still see the possibility than Eng (or NZ in a final) could beat Oz. So I'll hope the Southern hemisphere can make it our party but I'm not confident this time.

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    I feel sad for Kohli.

    My favorite non-Pakistani player

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    I was very confident Oz had more & bigger weapons in ODI than anyone else at that 2015 WC. You just knew if we played well, we couldn't lose. That is not the case this time around. Even if Oz play well, I can still see the possibility than Eng (or NZ in a final) could beat Oz. So I'll hope the Southern hemisphere can make it our party but I'm not confident this time.
    We haven't played in the WC outside the SF, I just hate the thought of being the team that loses a WC to England... Tomorrow could go either way, but I'll be go for you guys as there's no shame in losing to Aus. If England gets past us both, we'll never hear the end of it for the next decade..


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    If the pitch is flat then NZ has no chance in the finals! Even if the match was continued yesterday itself, the momentum to India would have been different (That doesn't mean they didn't deserve today's win! Well played! But the problem is their bowlers will turn into proper trundlers on flat pitches!)

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    Feeling bad for Kohli, but delighted India are out.

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    Was by far the best game of the tournament, got to feel for Kohli.

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    I am happy cause India are out because of their unsympathetic loud mouth fans on the social media.

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    Basically whatever final we get will be interesting as long as England or NZ win.

    NZ vs Aus II will also be cool to watch.

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    Not 45 minutes but poor selection and poor player management over last couple of years has hurt India

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    Great responses to all of the Qs. The quote in the OP title is pretty spot-on though isn't it? Crazy how just a few minutes can change an entire 7+ hour contest.


    Have the players going forward, just need coaching&professionalism! #1 priority: fielding

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    2019 has been a dismal year for Indian sports. First the Bahrain last minute dubious penalty winner in the AFC cup and now today's result. Definitely a year to forget for the Indians.

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    No need for excuses, beaten fair and square by the Kiwis. The one who wins the tournament will not have any "bad 45 mins".

    Not a bad tournament overall. Finished #1 in group stage. Kept the streak alive.

    Indian top order batting is always suspect in overcast conditions against bowlers like Boult and Henry. The warm up game should have provided sufficient warning.

    Start planning for the next tournament and don't leave at home talent like Shaw for players like Karthik.

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    I think there was a spell when Pant and Pandya were set, they got around 16 runs in 9 overs. I think that cost India big time. Even a little acceleration would have won India the game. But New Zealand bowled well to both players. This then forced the mistake from both players.

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    I see a pattern here.. it’s not 40 minutes of play on the field. It’s bad selection and poor planning. Admit it.

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    feel bad for Kholi. It was his moment to shine and possibly win the WC. Who knows if he will ever get this kind of team again, especially the bowlers India has right now.

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    Is he going to say sorry?

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    The idea of play off between 1 and 2 and then the loser of these two meets the winner of 3 and 4 sounds great. This gives more value to Round robin performers.


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    Played well all tournament?

    The team came in with such arrogance and yet they just barely handled Afghanistan and then couldn't chase England in their most means ngfuk game till that point. In fact they looked like lost little kids out there.

    The batting really needs to be looked into and the whole team needs to stop acting like superstars.

    When will Dhoni be kicked out? Why is panda around? Why is 35 yo jadeja still best choice for lower order hitting? Why were the spinners so overrated? And should bthere be a new captain.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Basically whatever final we get will be interesting as long as England or NZ win.

    NZ vs Aus II will also be cool to watch.
    England vs New Zealand will be good for the #narrative.

    Student vs Teacher. Hosts facing the side that gave them the ODI wakeup call on that humiliating day in Wellington in 2015.

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    45 mins of error on the field.

    4 years of error off the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post

    The batting really needs to be looked into and the whole team needs to stop acting like superstars.
    That's the key part. Especially the "superstar" thingy. But I guess it's somewhat unfair to blame the players for that. Easy money they see...they grab it without any second thought. Understandably so! (Umesh ji in that mutual funds ad...lol!)

    Celebration irrespective of mediocrity is a reality all South Asian sports fans have to cope with. Because there are no alternate avenues other than cricket to channel your passion for sports.

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    Won ag only 1 big team i-e AUS and wanted to be champion.

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    Nothing wrong with wanting to be the champ, champ! And they beat Pak fair and square. I assume you consider Pakistan deserves that much respect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BhayanakMaut View Post
    That's the key part. Especially the "superstar" thingy. But I guess it's somewhat unfair to blame the players for that. Easy money they see...they grab it without any second thought. Understandably so! (Umesh ji in that mutual funds ad...lol!)

    Celebration irrespective of mediocrity is a reality all South Asian sports fans have to cope with. Because there are no alternate avenues other than cricket to channel your passion for sports.
    There are plenty of alternate avenues if you are ready to get out of your room. I grew up playing Football, Volleyball, Kabaddi and even Kho-Kho in India. And regularly follow Indian football and volleyball. Now there are leagues in most of the sports in India and you can lend your support by following them.
    Regarding superstars, Indian cricketers are way mild compared to what folks do in NFL, NBA or even in club football. Come on man, this is sports, not church choir.


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    They missed shekhar Dhawan
    Very big calming influence on these galacticos


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    There are plenty of alternate avenues if you are ready to get out of your room. I grew up playing Football, Volleyball, Kabaddi and even Kho-Kho in India. And regularly follow Indian football and volleyball. Now there are leagues in most of the sports in India and you can lend your support by following them.
    Regarding superstars, Indian cricketers are way mild compared to what folks do in NFL, NBA or even in club football. Come on man, this is sports, not church choir.
    Context! That's what you have to focus on. You are probably the best kho-kho player in the neighborhood. But that wasn't my point. My point was that cricket's reputation as the pretty much the only (supposedly) semi-global sport with a mass following outside the subcontinent, the greater proportion of the population including young kids tend to gravitate towards it.

    There's no sports-culture on a national scale anywhere in the region. You or I being the passionate kho-kho fan doesn't change that

    Personally, I grew up playing cricket but wasn't good enough to make it beyond a point. But I am sure nobody cares about that

    And yes, lots of folks around here including me follow at least a second sport religously other than cricket. That doesn't refute what I said in my original post.

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    Cricket can be a cruel game.

    India were the best team until those 45 mins

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    After Sharma and Kohli were dismissed it was always going to be an uphill struggle. Said so before that when you have such a good tournament a decisive loss is always on the cards. Make no mistake I am delighted that India are out!! They can't win it either Howwzzzzaaaaattttt!


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    That is the harsh realities of sport. New Zealand are into the final with 3 losses and India are out of the World Cup with two. As the number 2 team in the world, they did deserve some luck but it didn't happen for them. They need to move on quickly and focus on 2023 - not winning the World Cup in India, especially when it will most probably be the last World Cup for this generation would be very heartbreaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    That is the harsh realities of sport. New Zealand are into the final with 3 losses and India are out of the World Cup with two. As the number 2 team in the world, they did deserve some luck but it didn't happen for them. They need to move on quickly and focus on 2023 - not winning the World Cup in India, especially when it will most probably be the last World Cup for this generation would be very heartbreaking.
    NZ in the semi-finals was a harsh reality of sports in the first instance. So these things happen

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    There was also a 45 minute period where you did not try to win against England.

    Serves this team exactly what they deserved.

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    The invincible Aussie side of 2003 & 2007 played a perfect game in the regular group games, league stages, semi final stages and final.

    Handling those pressure games is a sign of greatness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Hopefully the Final doesn't end the same way as 2015..
    Rooting for NZ 100% of the way now! Never felt so good to see NZ batter another team as it did today. However, hoping NZ can finally win a trophy they truly deserve it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QalandarFan View Post
    Rooting for NZ 100% of the way now! Never felt so good to see NZ batter another team as it did today. However, hoping NZ can finally win a trophy they truly deserve it.
    They won one major trophy. 2000 ICC Champions Trophy.


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    India's 2 best batsmen Rohit and Kohli have not turned out to be big match players. Both had pretty good tournament but it all crumbled in the game that mattered most.

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    + 3 hours for poor batting vs england not going for a win... not a champion thing

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    Most cricket games are decided in pivotal moments not lasting more than 30-45mins....idiotic statements.
    Ponting and Waugh were known to create and maintain those pivotal peaks so to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    They won one major trophy. 2000 ICC Champions Trophy.
    I know but nobody really talks or cares about that knockout trophy it was back then. I meant to say World Cups and World T20's. It's about time NZ win one.


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    I don't want to start a new thread on this but why was Kohli mad at Shastri after being dismissed? Seeing Shastri's face later suggested there was a bit of ill felling between the two for some reason. As this is a Kohli related thread I am posting this comment here. Dhoni again did not accelerate when he should have done leaving to much to do in the end. He probably thought he was still playing England when he played so slowly to eliminate Pak


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    Kohli did not deserve to win WC as a captain, who is as clueless as ever. If ever Dhoni was required to hold one end, that was yesterday, and he should have come at 4. Not getting into other selection blunders.

    Shastri did not deserve bit either to win as a coach. He is equally responsible for wrong selections/tactical decisions and blatantly encouraging indisciplined lifestyle.

    Dhoni did not deserve the fairy tale ending. He can continue to smash sixes for CSK and get glorified for IPL that is not at par with international standards.

    Congratulations to Indian fans who are happy with the performance of their team. Enjoy the success.

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    Kohli has a point, why does every tournament have to be a knock out!!
    Why can't there be a league tournament, with the top 9 odi teams(afghans are not required!), where everyone plays each other twice and the team at the top of the table wins the world cup!!!
    This is a much fairer approach, as the truly best team will only win!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    Kohli did not deserve to win WC as a captain, who is as clueless as ever. If ever Dhoni was required to hold one end, that was yesterday, and he should have come at 4. Not getting into other selection blunders.

    Shastri did not deserve bit either to win as a coach. He is equally responsible for wrong selections/tactical decisions and blatantly encouraging indisciplined lifestyle.

    Dhoni did not deserve the fairy tale ending. He can continue to smash sixes for CSK and get glorified for IPL that is not at par with international standards.

    Congratulations to Indian fans who are happy with the performance of their team. Enjoy the success.
    Agree with this.

    None of the abovementioned losers deserve to win this WC. That would've made them feel invincible which they are not.

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    45 minutes? Nonsense.

    We lost because of a full year or two of blunders.

    Over the past few years we committed to a weak team, bad selections, poor strategy and worse tactics. This team had cracks that were obvious to amateur fans a year ago, not the least the terrible middle order and reliance on faded and never there players like Dhoni, Shankar and Karthik.

    Over the past few years we failed to develop players like Shaw and (even, since it was late) Pant.

    These 45 minutes were just waiting to happen for a long time- to think that we lost because of a bad passage of play is not just criminally stupid, it almost sounds like they don't actually want to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Kohli has a point, why does every tournament have to be a knock out!!
    Why can't there be a league tournament, with the top 9 odi teams(afghans are not required!), where everyone plays each other twice and the team at the top of the table wins the world cup!!!
    This is a much fairer approach, as the truly best team will only win!!
    Stupidity! Even IPL is played this way and still there are knockouts and finals! Every human being (or any species for that matter) comes across a knockout/finale stage at some point of their life where they will put to immense pressure and their absolute ability will be tested to the core (The entire flow of your married life will depend on one decision you take to your choose your life partner OR one decision you make to choose your career/field will impact on your entire professional career!) Yes it has to be so decisive, I want (even God wants absolutely) for life to be this way! Otherwise life/game becomes monotonous & predictable (there is no point in leading such life! Its as good as getting buried under soil!)

    For topping the table you have Cricket Rankings which you can feel proud of and of course bilaterals where you got to just win maximum matches (even by a margin of ONE which is enough!) you don't have to win the LAST match as such, there is no finale there! (But if you have observed every team will somehow feel proud when they win the last match of bilateral series even if it is a dead rubber!) So it will really not look like a contest/tournament if there is no knockout and finale! If people are sentimental about this (depressed about knockouts!) then they can call for ban of tournaments and only stick to bilaterals & rankings, but I guess these are minority (may by 2 to 5%) I think most people, majority want the excitement of knockouts and want to relish the stage of finale, so this will continue! (Actually NZ & England - two of the teams running for the race of trophy, should actually opt for this knockout/finale format! Because they are already No.3 & No.4 on the table - according to your logic they don't deserve to hold the trophy! Also they don't have any world cup trophy so far! Isn't it good for them now that they have a good chance to win it? Stupid Kohli should actually not complain about this format - because he, Shastri and the management doesn't deserve this trophy even if they topped the table - they have made mess of this team & selection! They can be happy about their past glory - 1983 & 2011)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BhayanakMaut View Post
    That's the key part. Especially the "superstar" thingy. But I guess it's somewhat unfair to blame the players for that. Easy money they see...they grab it without any second thought. Understandably so! (Umesh ji in that mutual funds ad...lol!)

    Celebration irrespective of mediocrity is a reality all South Asian sports fans have to cope with. Because there are no alternate avenues other than cricket to channel your passion for sports.
    I agree, the blame is not entirely on the players but they have to realise that once they are on the playing field, the dollars and the posters do not matter.

    It is also dangerous to build a team based entirely on media potential, because on merit, how does a player like Pandya make it in? He averages 40+ with the ball and certainly can not be considered a genuine all rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Kohli has a point, why does every tournament have to be a knock out!!
    Why can't there be a league tournament, with the top 9 odi teams(afghans are not required!), where everyone plays each other twice and the team at the top of the table wins the world cup!!!
    This is a much fairer approach, as the truly best team will only win!!
    Absolutely not. What about teams playing well under pressure, under difficult conditions in do-or-die situations where all outcomes are possible? That is the most exciting and most important part of cricket which brings the best out of good teams, fighting it out under pressure. A worldcup without that would not be worth watching at all.

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    hard luck guys. it was just not our day yesterday. but india has given there fans more happy moments. it was knock out and nothing went our way but it was not one sided, we took the game till the end. i m personally happy with the fight back showed at the end, we will come strong again in the next ICC tournament and inshaa Allaah we will win.
    don't lose hope and don't get angry, just get ready to cheer for the future games.
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    so he's moaning again. If you were good enough to win the majority of your matches in the elague you should have won your knockout..what happened??

    Why not just let the BCCI include two India teams in there..or maybe three? or actually why not just have a tri series with India A B C and call it the world cup..that way India wins every time..

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    It is Not just 45 mins, Remember the loss to England.

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    He has backed Dhoni to show his 'gratitude' but I really hope he gets sidelined at the first instance of him losing his batting form when the new guys arrive.His behaviour and constant chopping and changing hasn't done him any favours either with his teammates.

    This guy needs to learn that the National team isn't the place to express your gratitude the hard way.
    Also people don't mention him but Bumrah should be considered for captaincy in at least T20's in the future.He has incredible cricketing smarts.

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    Thats true.
    That's why winning a world cup is not easy and things can't be taken for granted
    These 30-45 mins will not give a second chance.

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    Cricket karma is a you know what!

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    Cricket Karma as in Rohit can't win you every game. It's bound to catch on

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    45 mins for 2 players - Sharma and Kohli.

    But that shouldn't have been a surprise. It was the first time they both flopped at the World Cup and it showed how poor the other batsmen were.



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    The teams that came first and second in the league stage have been eliminated and the teams that came third and fourth are in the final!
    What was the point of the league stage!
    I as a pakistani fan, agree with king kohli, icc must introduce a qualifer and eliminator, if they continue with this round robin format, otherwise drop this format and have 4 groups of four, with top 2 qualifying for the quarter final knock out stage!


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