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    [VIDEO] "We had Allah with us as well" : Eoin Morgan

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    Q. Four years in the making, can you sum up what this means to you and to English cricket?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    To me and to the team, and everybody who has been involved over the last four years, it means absolutely everything and the planning, the hard work, the dedication, the commitment and the little bit of luck today really did get us over the line.

    It's been an absolutely incredible journey to everybody around the country and around the world who has followed us and supported us, thank you so much. It's been phenomenal.

    Right from the very beginning of the tournament, all the way through, regardless of our performance, people believed because we believed and I'm very thankful for that and everybody is as well.

    Q. What do you think, what do you hope that game will have done for the legacy in terms of English cricket in this country participation?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I certainly hope participation levels go up or continue to rise. I think the nature in which the game was played today was absolutely outstanding.

    I commend the Black Caps and Kane, they have been incredible, a hugely admirable team, spirit, the way they play, the fight they show and the fact they have done it for an extremely long time. We're only newcomers to this and we want to be as consistent as them come the next World Cup, with aspirations like that. But to get over the line reaffirms everything that we have done over the last four years and justifies it as well.

    Q. Do you feel quite emotional?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I did earlier, yes. I did. I still can't quite believe, that is why I'm carrying it around as much as I can. I can't believe we have got over the line. It has been an extraordinary day. You guys watching, like, the most incredible game of cricket with nothing between the sides. So sport sometimes is very, very fine margins. I think it was the finest of margins today and it could have gone either way, but I'm thankful it went ours.

    Q. A word on Ben Stokes. It has been a tough couple of years for him. Was he your hero today? How glad were you to see him come through that?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    To come through it is extraordinary. He's almost superhuman. He is really carried the team and our batting line-up. I know Jos and his partnership was extraordinary, but to bat with the lower order the way he did I thought was incredible.

    The atmosphere, the emotion that was going through the whole game, he managed to deal with that in an extremely experienced manner. And obviously everybody watching at home will hopefully try and be the next Ben Stokes (smiling).

    Q. A final one from me. A tough question, right now. Have you looked beyond this and the next phase of your captaincy or England's...

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I haven't. We will let the dust settle, we'll celebrate as hard as we can. I think it's deserved. And then we will look at things. Four years is a long time away. I think the big question I will have to answer is will I be in the team in four years, will I be good enough? These guys are improving very quickly. Will I be able to keep up with them?

    Q. When you took the field for the super over, you had a team talk and everyone seemed to walk away smiling and laughing. Can you say what was said? And is that what you think this team is about? Even in that incredibly pressurised moment, you are still giggling.

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Yeah, I encouraged them to smile, laugh, enjoy because it was such a ridiculous situation, where there was quite a lot of pressure in that particular moment of the day, never mind the rest of it, and the fact it got to a super over and we had that to defend. It was a matter of trying to put smiles on the guys' faces to release a bit of tension and the guys responded brilliantly to that.

    We have worked extremely hard to get to the final and to play in a 'super over' at the end of an extremely draining day, you know, takes a huge amount out of you, so it was, you know, remain calm, but make sure we enjoy this. Whether we win or lose, we have done incredible things.

    Q. I guess on a similar theme -- you said yesterday you didn't know what you were going to say to the players before you took to the field. What aim did you go for and what were you saying to Jofra in between balls when you kept going up to him?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Yes, this morning went pretty seamless, so it was a matter of reaffirming to trust the process and the fact that we are ready, emphasising that everybody is going to feel different on a day like today. It is uncharted territory for us and I think everybody individually will feel and deal with it within their own way and that is absolutely fine. You don't need to feel one way, you can feel it whatever way you like. And then crack on.

    Q. And Jofra?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Jofra was pretty easy, he's an unbelievably talented player and has an unbelievable array and repertoire of balls to bowl. We were trying to keep it simple and bowl yorkers the whole time until he bowled that short ball, so it was reaffirming what he was trying to do the whole time and that he was doing a great job.

    Q. Going back to what you were saying about the legacy from this game. There would have been millions of people watching the game on terrestrial TV this afternoon. Do you hope that that dramatic nature of the game will help reconnect, if you like, a lot of people in the country with the game of cricket?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I hope so. Particularly given the time it finished. Obviously today is a big day of sport with Wimbledon and Silverstone GP going on, but with Sunday evening, people normally settle in for a bit of David Attenborough or some random film that's on, so I hope they were tuned into the cricket (smiling).

    Q. When did you know that the super over would be settled on boundaries scored if it was a tie?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    When we took the field. I asked what would happen because we sat in a meeting pre-tournament and then when it got close to the chase we started refreshing our minds whether it was going to be a super over or not and then communication from Aleem Dar up to the changing room before we batted and then reaffirmed when we went out to field.

    Q. Could there be plans for a victory parade now?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I've got no idea. That's not my choice. I take the bus through London. It doesn't bother me if there is one. Well, I'm just delighted to win.

    Q. When those runs, those overthrows came off Ben Stokes' bat, that might have been the winning moment, the camera panned to your face and there were lots of conflicting emotions, can you explain what you were thinking at that moment?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I wasn't quite sure what had happened to start with because, obviously, he dived and there was dust everywhere and the ball deflected through and all the Black Caps standing around going "What's going on?" So I was trying to figure out, did he hit it, did the keeper hit it? I was trying to stay in the moment. I wasn't celebrating. It is not something you celebrate or cheer, well I don't because that could be us on the other side of it, and there's margins like that today that we spoke about. We spoke about that just chatting in the outfield the finest of margins today of guys ducking balls when they could have scored or different case scenarios, stealing runs where guys should have stopped them. It does emphasise that you need to be on top of your game.

    Q. Can you talk us through how calm or not calm you were in that last half-hour say when the chaos was unfolding and, in particular, as captain, I guess your most important choice in the end was who to send out as batsmen, and to give the last over to in super over, the clarity of those decisions?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Yeah, probably the last ten minutes were worst than the 20 minutes leading in. Getting that tight and losing a game like that is sometimes the worst, but the clarity in the decisions came down to could Ben continue to bat, did he have the energy to do it? And then a matter of taking into account what end they might choose to bowl from, doing a right and left-hand combination, who was best for that.

    Q. Are you content that you might have be up there now with Bobby Moore and Martin Johnson on the Mount Rushmore?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Not at all. There's no Mount Rushmore. Primrose Hill, that's about it.

    Q. You spoke about the finest of margins and the finest of margins and Kane Williamson spoke about the uncontrollables and he was asked about luck, had it played a role. Do you think the luck of an Irishman got England over the line?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    We had Allah with us as well. I spoke to Adil, he said Allah was definitely with us. I said we had the rub of the green (smiling). It actually epitomises our team. Quite diverse backgrounds and cultures and guys grow up in different countries and to actually find humour in the situation we were in at times was pretty cool.

    Q. You describe Ben Stokes' as 'superhuman'. I wonder if you could have a word on his contribution, not just today, but what happened in Calcutta three years ago? I'm guessing that was an inspiration for him. How much does it show his character that stepping up today and doing that after what happened in Calcutta?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Yes, I have said this a number of times about Ben. I think a lot of careers would have been ended after what happened in Calcutta. Ben on numerous occasions has stood up individually and in a unit for us. He leads the way in training, in any team meetings we have, and he's an incredible cricketer. And today he's had a huge day out and obviously we are thankful for that.

    Q. Congratulations. This England side is known for its fearless brand of cricket. You played a reverse sweep and didn't connect, then you went for another reverse sweep and Joe Root did the same. Jason Roy bashing the spinners. Today we saw some scoops from Jos Buttler. Do you think at what moment, what sort of risk did you guys take, if you had to pinpoint one gamble or risk throughout the tournament that turned things around for you guys, would you like to pinpoint them?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    The biggest risk for us throughout the tournament is not playing a positive brand of cricket, that is the biggest risk for us. We did it in one game in particular against Sri Lanka and it cost us the game. So that would be our biggest risk, not sticking, staying true to what we believe works.

    Q. Congratulations on your victory. You mentioned many twists and turns that could have defined it. In the finish, it was essentially tied twice. If you put yourself in Kane Williamson's shoes, do you think the boundary rule is a fair way to decide a World Cup Final?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    If you could give me an alternative, I'd be able to, like compare the both. But I can't think of an alternative at the moment. The rules are obviously set out a long time ago and we have no control over them. So...

    Q. There is a nice story involving George Cohen and Ben Cohen. George played for England's men in the final. Ben in 2003. Where George told Ben there's not many games where your life will change forever. Do you realise that your life has just changed forever? If not, how long might that take to sink in?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I'm not sure it has. I hope it hasn't changed that much. I enjoy my life. I lead quite a quiet one, so I hope it hasn't changed too much. I would love it to change for everybody else who wants it to change, but I enjoy my life (smiling).

    Q. Is it possible to feel empathy for the losers at this moment?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    Absolutely. Definitely. I think they've been incredible throughout the tournament. I said it before the game in the press conference. They've been actually through a better tournament than we have.

    The fact a trophy is sitting here is, you know -- like I mentioned, we got the rub of the green today. New Zealand throughout the group stages were absolutely outstanding, very consistent and in the semifinal were very ruthless in playing against India, India are an extremely strong team. And I think the most admirable thing is the way they played their cricket, to consistently perform and compete against the very best on different stages throughout the year, they are the best, and they do it in a fashion that you'd have no qualms in turning around to your kid and saying, "Please idolise these guys, they are very admirable." They are.

    Q. I know your head is very much in this moment. It's a big summer for English cricket, There's an Ashes series coming up. The guys who play both formats, how much can today spur them on and give them so much more confidence going into that Test series as well?

    EOIN MORGAN:
    I think it will give them a lot of confidence. I think it gives them a bit of leeway to get some time off as well which is quite nice (smiling). I think everybody needs it.

    This tournament has taken a lot out of us as a team, both mentally and physically. And I think energy levels will drop quite quickly unless the guys are looked after and I think I'm pretty sure they are going to be looked after.


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    Q. You spoke about the finest of margins and the finest of margins and Kane Williamson spoke about the uncontrollables and he was asked about luck, had it played a role. Do you think the luck of an Irishman got England over the line?

    EOIN MORGAN: We had Allah with us as well. I spoke to Adil, he said Allah was definitely with us. I said we had the rub of the green (smiling). It actually epitomises our team. Quite diverse backgrounds and cultures and guys grow up in different countries and to actually find humour in the situation we were in at times was pretty cool.
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    England gets a lot of hate for having players from all over the world in the playing xi's, but dig a little deeper and it says a lot for the meritocracy of the team that it doesn't matter where you are from, if you perform well you have the same chances as everyone else.

    apart from jofra, nearly all the foreign born contingent have been raised in the uk, and as an Britpak who has spent some time in another country, its nice to see.

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    Had the roles been reversed, Morgan would've been moaning for days about how the rules are unfair and NZ just got lucky. Actually it would've been the whole English media. Kiwis are real classy guys, Kane didn't say a single bad word about it.


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    If the ICC were competent, you wouldn't be world champions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    If the ICC were competent, you wouldn't be world champions.
    Feel for ya, bro.


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    England had a helping hand from the Almighty today because they deserved to win the World Cup more than any team. This is a reward for their hard work and persistence, and for not changing their brand of cricket when armchair experts were mocking them.

    Thank you Almighty for your blessings, and thank you England for revolutionising ODI cricket. This is your moment and you deserve it. Don't worry about the people who are crying. It is their tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    England had a helping hand from the Almighty today because they deserved to win the World Cup more than any team. This is a reward for their hard work and persistence, and for not changing their brand of cricket when armchair experts were mocking them.

    Thank you Almighty for your blessings, and thank you England for revolutionising ODI cricket. This is your moment and you deserve it. Don't worry about the people who are crying. It is their tradition.
    if they won fair and square we would have appreciated but not by rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    England had a helping hand from the Almighty today because they deserved to win the World Cup more than any team. This is a reward for their hard work and persistence, and for not changing their brand of cricket when armchair experts were mocking them.

    Thank you Almighty for your blessings, and thank you England for revolutionising ODI cricket. This is your moment and you deserve it. Don't worry about the people who are crying. It is their tradition.
    On the contrary they did what the armchair experts asked them to do.

    Play according to the situation instead of just bashing it.

    Had Stokes and Buttler just tried to bash their way out of trouble, NZ would have won it easily.

    It was the amalgamation of attacking & cautious cricket that won them this WC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    If the ICC were competent, you wouldn't be world champions.
    Let us know how other Kiwi fans feel about this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    England had a helping hand from the Almighty today because they deserved to win the World Cup more than any team. This is a reward for their hard work and persistence, and for not changing their brand of cricket when armchair experts were mocking them.

    Thank you Almighty for your blessings, and thank you England for revolutionising ODI cricket. This is your moment and you deserve it. Don't worry about the people who are crying. It is their tradition.
    Not changing their brand of cricket? What happened to their gung-ho, all guns blazing attitude while they were crawling to 100-4 off about 27 overs in the chase?

    At least England have introduced another new revolution into world cricket... deflecting a throw from a fielder to the boundary to get extra undeserved runs. Pretty clever, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Let us know how other Kiwi fans feel about this.
    Idk how they feel, but how would you feel about losing a world cup to something arbitrary like boundaries when you've bowled a team out...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Idk how they feel, but how would you feel about losing a world cup to something arbitrary like boundaries when you've bowled a team out...
    Even if they don't base it off boundaries, England would still win because:

    1) They won head-to-head
    2) Finished higher on the table in group play.

    They won fair and square.


    "but but vut about da pundits?!?!?!?!?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero10 View Post
    Not changing their brand of cricket? What happened to their gung-ho, all guns blazing attitude while they were crawling to 100-4 off about 27 overs in the chase?

    At least England have introduced another new revolution into world cricket... deflecting a throw from a fielder to the boundary to get extra undeserved runs. Pretty clever, actually.
    Wasn't intentional and IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE RULEBOOK. You're clearly a casual fan.


    "but but vut about da pundits?!?!?!?!?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Even if they don't base it off boundaries, England would still win because:

    1) They won head-to-head
    2) Finished higher on the table in group play.

    They won fair and square.
    It should have been off wickets not boundaries in hand. Every cricket fan knows it.

    Boundaries is completely random.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Idk how they feel, but how would you feel about losing a world cup to something arbitrary like boundaries when you've bowled a team out...
    I am devastated.

    I meant are they raging against ICC or just accepted as ill-luck or whatever.

    Me & AB Fan were discussing what would have happened if India was at the receiving end. lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I am devastated.

    I meant are they raging against ICC or just accepted as ill-luck or whatever.

    Me & AB Fan were discussing what would have happened if India was at the receiving end. lol.
    It's a mix.

    I'm ****** we lost because of something so stupid as boundaries > wickets. You'd think it would be obvious..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It's a mix.

    I'm ****** we lost because of something so stupid as boundaries > wickets. You'd think it would be obvious..
    ICC is a dummy bhai.

    Nothing is obvious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    ICC is a dummy bhai.

    Nothing is obvious.
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    I won't blame you.

    But don't do it please.

    I think quite a few Indians online feel sadder for this loss than their own SF loss.

    This is just unbelievably crazy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Wasn't intentional and IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE RULEBOOK. You're clearly a casual fan.
    And you’re clearly unable to pick up on sarcasm.

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    Stunning. Now I know the reason England are world champions. Their captain is a fighter AND a thinker. His press talk is amazingly cerebral. Some insights from him are leadership lessons:

    "We have worked extremely hard to get to the final and to play in a 'super over' at the end of an extremely draining day, you know, takes a huge amount out of you, so it was, you know, remain calm, but make sure we enjoy this. Whether we win or lose, we have done incredible things." Shades of Imran Khan. Win or lose, give everything you got but enjoy the moment.

    "We were trying to keep it simple and bowl yorkers the whole time until he bowled that short ball, so it was reaffirming what he was trying to do the whole time and that he was doing a great job." Always an encouraging hand when needed.

    "Yes, this morning went pretty seamless, so it was a matter of reaffirming to trust the process and the fact that we are ready, emphasising that everybody is going to feel different on a day like today. It is uncharted territory for us and I think everybody individually will feel and deal with it within their own way and that is absolutely fine. You don't need to feel one way, you can feel it whatever way you like." Leaders who can get the best out of everyone on their teams by helping them be their best selves.

    "I wasn't celebrating. It is not something you celebrate or cheer, well I don't because that could be us on the other side of it, and there's margins like that today that we spoke about." Respect for the game. Most captains would have celebrated Stokes freak four off that dive, but Eoin let it go.

    "The biggest risk for us throughout the tournament is not playing a positive brand of cricket, that is the biggest risk for us. We did it in one game in particular against Sri Lanka and it cost us the game. So that would be our biggest risk, not sticking, staying true to what we believe works." Teams panic and abandon their philosophies when once or twice things don't go their way. But Eoin trusts his preparations. He knows what gets him wins and keeps everyone in the team honest around it.

    I also admire he is all over details - super over rules, left right combinations, size of boundary etc. All good captains would do it but so does he. Probably thinks more.

    Well done Eoin. You won it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    Calm down.
    You lost.
    Stop undermining England's win.
    You didn't even deserve to go to the final tbh.
    You knew the rules beforehand. It's not like they changed the rules just to make you lose.
    Jeez. I thought NZ fans weren't whiners
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    Quote Originally Posted by PakFan764 View Post
    Calm down.
    You lost.
    Stop undermining England's win.
    You didn't even deserve to go to the final tbh.
    Yes, because boundaries over wickets makes perfect sense...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Yes, because boundaries over wickets makes perfect sense...
    It doesn't matter what you think. It's a part of the rule book so you have to accept it whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakFan764 View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think. It's a part of the rule book so you have to accept it whether you like it or not.
    True, but it is actually ridiculous that the ICC adopted masala T20 league rules for this tournament, which ended up affecting the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero10 View Post
    True, but it is actually ridiculous that the ICC adopted masala T20 league rules for this tournament, which ended up affecting the final.
    I remember people complaining about the wickets rule which is why they changed it now people are complaining about this rule too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It should have been off wickets not boundaries in hand. Every cricket fan knows it.

    Boundaries is completely random.
    This is a complete humiliation of england to be given the trophy on silly tie break. Nz were by far the superior team today flukes of nature got england the tie. Laughing stock of the world as most undeserved winners lolololol

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    some little things went against NZ; Boult taking the catch of Stokes but touching the rope to make it a 6 instead; England getting 4 overthrow runs when the throw from NZ fielder deflected inadvertently etc. No cricket fan is Atheist today

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    A win is a win. But it really did seem like England had the backing of every god on their side today. Allah, Jesus, Zues, and Krishna must have invoked their powers or something. Maybe they all like us. Or maybe they wanted to troll the world.

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    Just coz NZ lost does not mean Allah was not with them. Vital errors cost them like that catch from the boundary and the ball hitting Morgan then going for 4. It just wasn't to be for NZ in what was the greatest match of Cricket ever played.


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    Tabarak’Allah feek Morgan Bhai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    Feel for you, brother. That felt like robbery in the daylight.

    Pain is gonna stay for a bit, that’s just how it is.

    I quit watching cricket for a bit after the 2007 t20 final, but this is much much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Feel for you, brother. That felt like robbery in the daylight.

    Pain is gonna stay for a bit, that’s just how it is.

    I quit watching cricket for a bit after the 2007 t20 final, but this is much much worse.
    Honestly, it's going to be tough to get here again and to go down like that is heartbreaking. Shouldn't be taking it out on England, but those rules were something... ICC shud be apologizing to the team and immediately fixing the rules to avoid something like this again. Not that it can get worse...

    It wouldn't have been as bad to lose on wickets for england, but boundaries has me fuming... these corrupt idiots cannot do anything right.


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    Great performance by England, I hope the game gets some resonance amongst the young after this epic match

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Yes, because boundaries over wickets makes perfect sense...
    You qualified for the semis on having better NRR. Having more wickets didn't matter then and didn't matter now

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    Quote Originally Posted by faizanj View Post
    You qualified for the semis on having better NRR. Having more wickets didn't matter then and didn't matter now
    Not the same, NRR is a fair measure. Boundaries is arbitrary and makes zero sense.


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    They were destined to win.

    Those 6 runs after hitting the bat is a testament to that.

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    I don't know what beefy was talking about being robbed, but NZ can surely claim they were robbed hard.


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    That's why Indian team has been so successful lately, Allhah , Bhagwan , Jeasus all have been with them. Too bad Shami was drooped against NZL and we all know what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Even if they don't base it off boundaries, England would still win because:

    1) They won head-to-head
    2) Finished higher on the table in group play.

    They won fair and square.
    Fair according to the ridiculous rules!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Not the same, NRR is a fair measure. Boundaries is arbitrary and makes zero sense.
    Winning because of having more wickets makes zero sense as well. The last thing you should be upset about is this rule. The team knew before the super over that they had to win. Only 3 runs from 2 balls were needed. NZ should've got them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    Aman bro, don't quit on this so called "sport"!
    The injustice done to NZ cricket team is so huge, but kane and the boys deserve your support now and in the future.
    People with any integrity, know NZ were the better team, as shane warne said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by faizanj View Post
    Winning because of having more wickets makes zero sense as well. The last thing you should be upset about is this rule. The team knew before the super over that they had to win. Only 3 runs from 2 balls were needed. NZ should've got them.
    Runs and wickets.

    Not runs and boundaries.

    When have you had a game won by boundaries other than the damn WC Final?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Aman bro, don't quit on this so called "sport"!
    The injustice done to NZ cricket team is so huge, but kane and the boys deserve your support now and in the future.
    People with any integrity, know NZ were the better team, as shane warne said!
    Bro it's impossible for a team to be wronged like today.

    You cannot suffer a worse loss, ever.

    If only people could understand the pain NZders feel.

    I just went out and heard old Indian kiwis talking about NZ being robbed and how stupid the boundary rule was. Everyone on the planet knows it.


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    Chin up Aman. Majority of cricket fans know you was badly wronged today and won't forget it. If this happened to Pakistan I would be finished

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Bro it's impossible for a team to be wronged like today.

    You cannot suffer a worse loss, ever.

    If only people could understand the pain NZders feel.

    I just went out and heard old Indian kiwis talking about NZ being robbed and how stupid the boundary rule was. Everyone on the planet knows it.
    Ah man, agony for the NZ fans.

    Heartbreaking stuff.

    KW is a champion. InshaAllah, New Zealand will bounce back from this abyss of emotions...

    Forza!

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    Looks like NZ missed a trick by not having a Muslim player in their squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Yes, because boundaries over wickets makes perfect sense...
    Please. Boundaries is not the most convincing criteria to decide a super over but neither is wickets in hand. What would be better is simply deciding the winner by looking at the league table or the head-to-head record of the two teams and England would have gone through in either of those cases. They would have also gone through even if it was decided on which team did better in the semis, NRR or even number of wins/losses, I believe. I don't want to get into how the Kiwis did not deserve to make the semis because they are a very likable team but your moaning will push me to it.

    England are deserving winners. The rules were known by everybody and New Zealand needed two off the final ball and couldn't hit a boundary. Like your captain said, it simply was not meant to be for New Zealand. Destiny arrives...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Please. Boundaries is not the most convincing criteria to decide a super over but neither is wickets in hand. What would be better is simply deciding the winner by looking at the league table or the head-to-head record of the two teams and England would have gone through in either of those cases. They would have also gone through even if it was decided on which team did better in the semis, NRR or even number of wins/losses, I believe. I don't want to get into how the Kiwis did not deserve to make the semis because they are a very likable team but your moaning will push me to it.

    England are deserving winners. The rules were known by everybody and New Zealand needed two off the final ball and couldn't hit a boundary. Like your captain said, it simply was not meant to be for New Zealand. Destiny arrives...
    Is the game built on runs and wickets or runs and boundaries?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bilal7 View Post
    please. Boundaries is not the most convincing criteria to decide a super over but neither is wickets in hand. What would be better is simply deciding the winner by looking at the league table or the head-to-head record of the two teams and england would have gone through in either of those cases. They would have also gone through even if it was decided on which team did better in the semis, nrr or even number of wins/losses, i believe. I don't want to get into how the kiwis did not deserve to make the semis because they are a very likable team but your moaning will push me to it.

    England are deserving winners. The rules were known by everybody and new zealand needed two off the final ball and couldn't hit a boundary. Like your captain said, it simply was not meant to be for new zealand. Destiny arrives...
    potw


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Is the game built on runs and wickets or runs and boundaries?
    The modern ODI game? It is built on boundaries. That is why a FTB like Sharma was able to plunder a few centuries in England.


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    They should have played another super over. It would have cost them another 30 mins. On the other hand, both teams knew the rules beforehand so no point in complaining now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Idk how they feel, but how would you feel about losing a world cup to something arbitrary like boundaries when you've bowled a team out...
    Exactly it will go down in history that a World Cup winner was decided on the number of boundaries. Is this stick cricket going on? Daylight robbery against NZ.


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    Cricket might be the only sport where past events have a bearing on future results. Most other sports have some means of finding the rightful winner, tiebreaker in tennis, penalties and sudden death penalties in football, overtimes in basketball and golden goal in ice hockey. Cricket is an archaic sport with archaic rules and today NZ felt the brunt of them unfortunately.


    Going by what happened today if you draw equivalence from football it would mean after a 0-0 draw the victor was decided by who got the most off-sides


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post


    Going by what happened today if you draw equivalence from football it would mean after a 0-0 draw the victor was decided by who got the most off-sides
    Most corners or throw ins*....Do you even soccer bro?

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    "We had Allah with us as well"

    I wonder what @Mamoon will make of this from the captain of his favourite team in this WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    "We had Allah with us as well"

    I wonder what @Mamoon will make of this from the captain of his favourite team in this WC.
    It would be one helluva twist if the English visited the same Maulana that the Pakistani team visited. The one where Maulana was more interested with what was on his phone rather than Hafeez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Bro it's impossible for a team to be wronged like today.

    You cannot suffer a worse loss, ever.

    If only people could understand the pain NZders feel.

    I just went out and heard old Indian kiwis talking about NZ being robbed and how stupid the boundary rule was. Everyone on the planet knows it.
    Hard luck of the extreme kind. Even though I do not know you I felt the need to make my first post here to commiserate with you. I sooo totally feel for you and you are dead right when you say its impossible to be wronged like nz was today.

    A word of advice - do not feed the trolls. It will only make it worse for you.

    Cheer up and know that time is a great healer.

    In my book and iam sure many Indians will agree with me that NZ are the true champions. The cricket world will forever fondly remember NZ for this epic classic which is without doubt one of the rarest of the rare cricket match ever played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It's a mix.

    I'm ****** we lost because of something so stupid as boundaries > wickets. You'd think it would be obvious..
    Because loi is decided based on runs scored. They used to take wickets into account but that was unfair because teams would lose wickets in order to score quickly and win. So they removed that condition.

    Boundaries help in quickly scoring runs so they are given precedence over wickets. It is a competition of runs after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    "We had Allah with us as well"

    I wonder what @Mamoon will make of this from the captain of his favourite team in this WC.
    post #7..


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    Should have declared joint winners.
    I was so disappointed that NZ lost today they clearly deserved the win. But as Morgan said ALLAH was with them and
    "Allah is the best planner"
    England got reward for their hard work and consistency over 4 years.

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    Yes Morgan, you were only Allah bharosay. Couldnt win the final on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I won't blame you.

    But don't do it please.

    I think quite a few Indians online feel sadder for this loss than their own SF loss.

    This is just unbelievably crazy.
    Why would Indians feel sorry lmao? Wasnt NZ the team that booted them out?

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    Thank God Pakistan wasn't playing final otherwise half kashmiris would have died 😁😁

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    Very well deserved. And for those who are blaming the rules, blame ICC, not the England team, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny_majoka View Post
    Should have declared joint winners.
    I was so disappointed that NZ lost today they clearly deserved the win. But as Morgan said ALLAH was with them and
    "Allah is the best planner"
    England got reward for their hard work and consistency over 4 years.
    Allah better have 3 WCs to compensate for 2015 and especially 2019.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Allah better have 3 WCs to compensate for 2015 and especially 2019.
    be patient bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Let us know how other Kiwi fans feel about this.
    Im ok with england winning it. Very gutting /unlucky but once its a tie you really cant complain. The rules were always in place.

    Saddest sports day ever for me but I still know we witnessed the greatest odi of all time -that too in a wc final. Cant ask for more from the boys, the fielding effort was extraordinary.

    Just gotta congratulate England and move on. Their recovery since 2015 wc has been amazing and is a great story.

    :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Runs and wickets.

    Not runs and boundaries.

    When have you had a game won by boundaries other than the damn WC Final?
    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Is the game built on runs and wickets or runs and boundaries?
    I second that.

    ICC needs to be at least consistent.

    Given DLS method regards wickets in hand as well as runs on the board as "resources", and then comes up with revised targets, it clearly reflects wickets in hand are regarded valuable by ICC and not something as absurd as "how many boundaries were hit".

    That overthrow rule is also absurd, the throw deflected off a batsman's bat, why penalize the bowling team! England would have needed 7 off 2, and Kiwis would have won it there and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    "We had Allah with us as well"

    I wonder what @Mamoon will make of this from the captain of his favourite team in this WC.
    It goes to show his character and the tolerant environment in which he grew up. If Pakistan had a Christian player in their team, would Sarfraz or any other Pakistani captain say that Jesus was with us? And if he did, can you imagine the reaction in Pakistan?

    Regardless of the rising xenophobia in the UK because of Brexit, it remains one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

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    England also had ICC with them


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It goes to show his character and the tolerant environment in which he grew up. If Pakistan had a Christian player in their team, would Sarfraz or any other Pakistani captain say that Jesus was with us? And if he did, can you imagine the reaction in Pakistan?

    Regardless of the rising xenophobia in the UK because of Brexit, it remains one of the most tolerant countries in the world.
    Couldn't agree more, but if a Pakistan captain was to say the same words, such a statement would fall short of your approval. Personally, I think Deen and cricket should be kept separate and this should apply to all teams (not just with Pakistan).

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    ridiculous rules...and that 6 overthrows was just trash...
    feel gutted for the kiwis....cricket won...and lost....
    Kia kaha NZ...salute...well done england...

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Couldn't agree more, but if a Pakistan captain was to say the same words, such a statement would fall short of your approval. Personally, I think Deen and cricket should be kept separate and this should apply to all teams (not just with Pakistan).
    I would love to see a Pakistani captain show respect to another religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    If the ICC were competent, you wouldn't be world champions.
    But we are.

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    I see it as an Homeric battle between two champions with the gods looking on and rolling the dice. The gods are capricious and so very many times they have chosen the other team but this time they chose England.

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    "We had Allah with us as well" : Eoin Morgan

    Haha, a good light-hearted comment from Morgan, that. Although he isn't a tactical genius and has neither been instrumental as a player in England being where they're today, but as a leader of the team he has played a massive role in transforming England's Limited-Overs team. He deserves a tremendous amount of credit for that and has to be congratulated. Thank you Morgan for adding another team to what was otherwise the format where we only had a handful competitive teams. Thank you for making England an exciting team! Congratulations on winning the World Cup of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Really feel like quitting the sport. It's unfair, no team can be wronged like we have.
    I understand. If I was in your place I would have definitely quit watching cricket. I wouldn't blame you or any new Zealand fan who moves over cricket onto new sports.


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